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| JLP | morning all | 03:00 |
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| llnz | hi JLP | 03:00 |
| mithro | hey JLP | 03:03 |
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| llnz | later all | 08:01 |
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| mithro | well off to bed | 08:07 |
| mithro | gnight! | 08:07 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 10:47 |
| Epyon | yo | 10:53 |
| JLP | ahoy, both | 10:55 |
| bddebian | Hello Epyon, JLP | 10:57 |
| Epyon | JLP, waiting for the GSoC org results? :D | 11:06 |
| JLP | Epyon: yeah :) 4 more hours... | 11:08 |
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| llnz | bbl | 17:05 |
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| JLP | mithro: morning | 17:10 |
| Lukstr | congrats guys | 17:18 |
| JLP | Lukstr: thanks! | 17:18 |
| * JLP posts the news | 17:21 | |
| greywhind | well... that's an issue. | 17:21 |
| CIA-13 | jlp web * r8f8ad4094c0a /news/2008-03-17-2121.news: Thousand Parsec is in Google Summer of Code 2008! | 17:22 |
| mithro | hey greywhind | 17:28 |
| CIA-13 | jlp web * r925dd7b6f1f3 /news/2008-03-17-2121.news: Added link to TP page at GSoC2008 | 17:28 |
| greywhind | mithro: hey... i just read the FAQ for SOC more carefully and realized that it requires you to be 18 by April 14... | 17:28 |
| mithro | greywhind: and you won't be? | 17:29 |
| greywhind | mithro: nope. about 1.5 months too soon... | 17:29 |
| mithro | greywhind: dang | 17:29 |
| greywhind | i know... i assume that's a set-in-stone sort of requirement, unfortunately. | 17:30 |
| JLP | greywhind: :( | 17:31 |
| mithro | greywhind: yeah, by US law pretty much | 17:31 |
| tpb | New news from http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/rss.php: We are mentors for Google Summer of Code 2008! | 17:32 |
| mithro | JLP: http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/ | 17:34 |
| tpb | Title: Thousand Parsec : News (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 17:34 |
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| mithro | your news item looks a little broken | 17:34 |
| mithro | JLP: the topic sounds a little funny too | 17:35 |
| JLP | mithro: just special effect to make it more ehhh interesting :) | 17:35 |
| mithro | maybe "Thousand Parsec has been accepted into Google Summer of Code" ? | 17:35 |
| JLP | mithro: will change | 17:36 |
| CIA-13 | jlp web * rcc2f829386b2 /news/2008-03-17-2121.news: Fixed title and the two links list | 17:38 |
| JLP | mithro: damn, i submited the mentor request from the wrong google account | 17:47 |
| greywhind | mithro: on the #gsoc channel, I noticed this, and I don't think you saw it: JeffM: mithro, plan on having anothe gamers meeting at the summit this year? I think we still need to convince content creators that Z is still up ;) | 17:47 |
| JLP | mithro: ignore the first one, i will submit again from the right one | 17:47 |
| tpb | New news from http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/rss.php: Thousand Parsec has been accepted into Google Summer of Code 2008! | 18:02 |
| JLafont | I have a question about RFTS: Is there a max on the pop/industry/social environment/ planetary environment ? | 18:03 |
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| mithro | bblr | 18:08 |
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| mithro | JLP and llnz you are now admins | 18:36 |
| llnz | cool | 18:36 |
| * llnz needs to track down who said they would do what | 18:47 | |
| llnz | ahh... thanks irc logs :-) | 19:05 |
| mithro | IRC logs are very good | 19:07 |
| llnz | i've found one, looking for the other | 19:08 |
| llnz | found both | 19:09 |
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| JLP | ezod: ahoy | 19:13 |
| ezod | hey | 19:13 |
| ezod | so i just found out about TP through GSoC | 19:13 |
| JLP | ezod: cool | 19:14 |
| ezod | i spent a large part of my life playing 4x games | 19:14 |
| JLP | ezod: even cooler :) | 19:14 |
| llnz | hi ezod, welcome | 19:14 |
| ezod | hi | 19:14 |
| ezod | so needless to say, i'm monstrously interested in applying :) | 19:15 |
| JLP | ezod: which ones did you play/like the most | 19:15 |
| ezod | stars! was the big one | 19:15 |
| llnz | cool | 19:15 |
| ezod | star wars: rebellion was similar, sort of | 19:16 |
| ezod | and i played a LOT of heroes of might and magic | 19:16 |
| ezod | vga planets | 19:16 |
| ezod | MoO a little | 19:16 |
| greywhind | 1? 2? 3? | 19:17 |
| ezod | for HoMM? | 19:17 |
| greywhind | for MoO | 19:17 |
| ezod | 1 | 19:17 |
| greywhind | ah. I used to play 2. | 19:17 |
| * JLP never played moo :( they say 2 is the best | 19:18 | |
| ezod | i hear that also | 19:18 |
| ezod | i never played much of the original though | 19:18 |
| ezod | so anyway, i was planning on mainly applying to gentoo projects as i'm already an arch tester and have some good ideas, but TP just rocketed to the top of my list due to sheer coolness ;) | 19:19 |
| JLP | ezod: so did any idea from the list already catch your attention? | 19:19 |
| JLP | ezod: or do you have an idea of your own? | 19:19 |
| ezod | nothing really jumped out at me, although i haven't read it thoroughly yet | 19:19 |
| ezod | but i was going to ask here | 19:20 |
| ezod | i'm handy with both python and cpp | 19:20 |
| JLP | ezod: great, so lots of stuff you can choose from :) | 19:20 |
| ezod | the development tool stuff looked cool | 19:21 |
| llnz | ~seen krazytekn0 | 19:22 |
| tpb | llnz: krazytekn0 was last seen in #tp 2 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 50 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <krazytekn0> night | 19:22 |
| ezod | as i said, though, i had no idea TP existed until now, so i'm going to have to play aroudn with it first | 19:22 |
| JLP | ezod: take as much time as you need | 19:22 |
| JLP | ezod: and if you have any questions just ask here, or on the mailing lists | 19:22 |
| ezod | will do, thanks | 19:23 |
| JLP | ezod: btw, any place where you are looking for news about 4x games, so that we could post the news about tp and gsoc there? | 19:24 |
| ezod | JLP: not really, to be honest i kinda thought i was the last person on earth that cared about 4x games :) | 19:26 |
| JLP | ezod: yeah, it often seems like so these days, not as popular genre as it used to be :( | 19:27 |
| JLafont | I dunno, Civ has been kinda keeping the genre alive | 19:29 |
| llnz | true, but only just | 19:29 |
| llnz | lots of people would play again in future, i think | 19:29 |
| ezod | i don't know many people who have actually tried games like this and not liked them | 19:30 |
| ezod | but a lot who've never tried them at all | 19:30 |
| mithro | there is Galactic Civilisation too | 19:31 |
| mithro | hey peoples :) | 19:32 |
| ezod | looks like you have quite a few different packages, is there a gentoo ebuild for this stuff? | 19:34 |
| JLafont | hey mithro | 19:34 |
| ezod | if not, i could whip one up | 19:34 |
| ezod | s/ebuild/overlay | 19:34 |
| JLP | ezod: i tried to write some ebuilds quite some time ago, but never realy made it | 19:34 |
| JLP | ezod: i have some ebuilds for c++ stuff somewhere, didn't start to do them for python stuff | 19:36 |
| ezod | JLP: did you have any experience writing ebuilds previously? | 19:36 |
| JLP | ezod: nope, it was my very first try making ebuilds for TP | 19:36 |
| ezod | alright, well, i'd rather have it installed cleanly on my system anyway, so i can probably get them working | 19:36 |
| ezod | ebuilds are a little esoteric, but it's kinda what i do, so should be no problem | 19:37 |
| JLP | ezod: let me try to find them | 19:37 |
| ezod | JLP: if you do, my email is mavrinac at gmail dot com | 19:38 |
| JLP | ezod: found and sent | 19:39 |
| ezod | JLP: thanks, i'll get back to you when it's done... hopefully i don't have to do anything evil to get it working, so you can distribute the overlay ;) | 19:40 |
| JLP | ezod: cool, thanks to you | 19:41 |
| JLP | ezod: i think there is only the server and needed libraries in there, maybe c++ protocol libraries | 19:42 |
| JLP | ezod: to try the main client which is in python the -inplace package from the download page works out of the box from one folder | 19:42 |
| JLP | ezod: but it | 19:42 |
| JLP | would still be nice to make proper ebuilds for that too someday | 19:43 |
| greywhind | mithro: ping? | 19:43 |
| mithro | greywhind: pong | 19:43 |
| greywhind | mithro: so the demo shows that the wx.PopupWindow and its derivatives are not available on Mac | 19:44 |
| greywhind | is there any other way to get the window to not pull focus from the main window and then refuse to return focus when you click outside of it? | 19:44 |
| mithro | greywhind: yes, that is why we have our own custom wx.PopupWindow in ./extra/__init__.py | 19:45 |
| mithro | which we use for the starmap popups | 19:45 |
| greywhind | really? didn't know that. | 19:45 |
| greywhind | mithro: so i have to import extra.wxPopupWindow? | 19:47 |
| mithro | greywhind: no | 19:47 |
| mithro | greywhind: the extra/__init__.py will automatically overload the broken mac one | 19:48 |
| mithro | so just use it like normal | 19:48 |
| mithro | greywhind: see lines 711 to 743 in ./extra/__init__.py | 19:49 |
| greywhind | yeah, i was looking at that. | 19:49 |
| mithro | greywhind: cool :) | 19:50 |
| ezod | JLP: i see you submitted some of these to gentoo bugzilla :) | 19:51 |
| JLP | ezod: yeah :) | 19:51 |
| JLP | ezod: completely forgot about that | 19:51 |
| mithro | greywhind: remeber the debugging we did with the Popup Window stuff on the starmap? | 19:53 |
| greywhind | mithro: the "stealing focus" stuff? | 19:53 |
| mithro | greywhind: yeah | 19:54 |
| llnz | brb, lunch | 19:58 |
| * JLP will be right back, goes watching st:tng | 20:02 | |
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| greywhind | mithro: you said you thought I should use PopupTransientWindow... but that still gives a NotImplementedError. Will just plain PopupWindow work? | 20:03 |
| bddebian | Hey folks | 20:03 |
| mithro | greywhind: PopupWindow might work | 20:03 |
| mithro | hey bddebian | 20:03 |
| mithro | we got into GSoC! | 20:04 |
| bddebian | w00t, nice | 20:04 |
| bddebian | Hello :-) | 20:04 |
| mithro | bddebian: Hoping to do a 0.3.1 release this weekend | 20:04 |
| bddebian | Egads.. :) | 20:04 |
| greywhind | mithro: before i change things around too much, i'm going to submit this small patch that adds text to the PopupCtrl based on what resources are checked | 20:06 |
| mithro | greywhind: okay cool | 20:06 |
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| llnz | ~seen Lukstr | 20:16 |
| tpb | llnz: Lukstr was last seen in #tp 2 hours, 58 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <Lukstr> congrats guys | 20:16 |
| greywhind | mithro: ok. i'm not sure what I need to do here - seems like the PopupCtrl itself might be the source of the problem, which might be rather complicated to replace... | 20:19 |
| mithro | greywhind: hrm? | 20:19 |
| greywhind | mithro: i tried replacing the current window that pops up from the control with a plain wx.PopupWindow, and it still prevented anything else from taking focus | 20:19 |
| mithro | greywhind: I'm not sure what you mean? | 20:20 |
| greywhind | mithro: do you remember our conversation a week or two ago, where you said that the current popup refuses to go away unless you click on its button, whereas it should disappear if you simply click outside it? | 20:20 |
| mithro | greywhind: kind of | 20:21 |
| * mithro has a bad memory :) | 20:21 | |
| greywhind | mithro: i probably remember it better because I went and looked up the log | 20:21 |
| mithro | he he - link me :) | 20:21 |
| greywhind | let me find it again... | 20:22 |
| greywhind | http://www.thousandparsec.net/~irc/logs/%23tp.2008-03-04.log.html#t2008-03-04T19:49:51 | 20:23 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1h0t> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 20:23 |
| mithro | greywhind: maybe look at the code around the pop-up window on the starmap | 20:25 |
| greywhind | mithro: alright. | 20:26 |
| mithro | greywhind: want to commit what you have to see if it fixes the other issues mentioned there? | 20:27 |
| mithro | (IE The popup in the wrong place, etc) | 20:27 |
| greywhind | mithro: well, i committed what I have | 20:27 |
| greywhind | 5:19pm] CIA-13: noegnud tpclient-pywx-orderxrc * r7e6c68daf485 /windows/main/overlays/Resource.py: Added text to the Resource Selector box on the Resources overlay. | 20:27 |
| mithro | greywhind: oh, I thought that was changing the text for the pop-up box? | 20:28 |
| greywhind | mithro: well, it's all I have | 20:29 |
| mithro | greywhind: I thought you where going to replace the pop-up ctrl with a wx.PopupWindow? | 20:29 |
| greywhind | mithro: well, i can't totally replace the PopupCtrl with just a wx.PopupWindow... something has to control when/where/what size it pops up. | 20:30 |
| greywhind | i guess i could try to make my own class that duplicates the PopupCtrl but is essentially just an ImageButton | 20:31 |
| mithro | greywhind: that might work | 20:32 |
| mithro | the pop-ctrl doesn't look quite right on linux anyway :/ | 20:32 |
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| mithro | greywhind: you could combined a textctrl an a stock button | 20:57 |
| greywhind | mithro: i'm not sure the text part is necessary | 20:59 |
| mithro | greywhind: yeah, you might be right | 21:01 |
| greywhind | since it was there, i made use of it, but i don't know whether it really adds anything. | 21:02 |
| mithro | only really makes sense when selecting a single resource | 21:02 |
| * llnz wonders how Lukstr is getting on with boost.random for tpserver-cpp | 21:03 | |
| Lukstr | llnz: I got a little into it | 21:03 |
| Lukstr | then last week hit with midterms and my birthday | 21:03 |
| Lukstr | so the whole last weekend was a drunken blur | 21:03 |
| llnz | ah, ok | 21:03 |
| Lukstr | :P | 21:04 |
| Lukstr | I've never used boost before so it's new to me | 21:04 |
| Lukstr | planning on being around much much more this week though | 21:05 |
| llnz | cool | 21:05 |
| llnz | i just wanted to check | 21:06 |
| Lukstr | that's cool, glad no one's forgotten about me :P | 21:06 |
| Lukstr | at least, not everybody | 21:07 |
| mithro | Lukstr: you go to midterms drunk? | 21:07 |
| Lukstr | mithro: Haha, nah (well that one time...), aftewards if a different story | 21:08 |
| Lukstr | afterwards, rather | 21:08 |
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| JLafont | That only really happens if you wake up drunk | 21:13 |
| mithro | hello Ohm | 21:14 |
| JLP | Ohm: hey | 21:14 |
| Ohm | hey people | 21:14 |
| Ohm | sorry for not being around lately, I've had MAJOR trouble with ubuntu | 21:14 |
| Ohm | http://owner.rnachoctb.org/error.txt | 21:14 |
| Ohm | there's an explanation of what my problems were, if anybody wants to read | 21:15 |
| Ohm | It's all solved now, though. librsvg was the culprit | 21:15 |
| greywhind | wow... | 21:15 |
| Ohm | I'm lucky I have some linux gurus in the section | 21:15 |
| mithro | Ohm: running hardy? | 21:16 |
| Ohm | nope, gutsy | 21:16 |
| mithro | weird | 21:16 |
| Ohm | very | 21:16 |
| mithro | did the library some how become corrupted? | 21:16 |
| Ohm | Had a bad svg_loader.so for some reason | 21:16 |
| Ohm | no, it remained bad when I reinstalled the librsvg things | 21:16 |
| greywhind | hmm... so basically anything using SVG was failing? | 21:17 |
| Ohm | fixed it by installing the 2.22.2 version from source rather than 2.18.2 from apt-get | 21:17 |
| Ohm | greywhind: yep | 21:17 |
| greywhind | that must have been hell to track down | 21:17 |
| Ohm | nautilus, gnome-panel, etc, etc | 21:17 |
| Ohm | it was | 21:17 |
| mithro | Ohm: that is generally considered a very bad idea (mixing source and apt-get) | 21:17 |
| Ohm | took like five days | 21:17 |
| Ohm | mithro: well, it works better now than it did before, so I'm happy | 21:18 |
| Ohm | (until everything breaks again) | 21:18 |
| Lukstr | Ohm: this is why it's fun to keep the OS installed in its own partition, and your home folders elsewhere :P | 21:19 |
| Ohm | yeah, I've been running windows xp while this ordeal has been going on | 21:20 |
| Ohm | oh yeah | 21:20 |
| Ohm | I have /home on the same partition as / | 21:20 |
| mithro | Ohm: did you do an update just before? | 21:21 |
| Lukstr | I've always done <swap><os files><---empty space---><home> on drives, left to right being beginning to end (for speed purposes swap is thus faster) | 21:22 |
| Ohm | mithro: Not manually, but about 5 hours before I let the update manager update vlc and some vlc-related libs | 21:22 |
| Ohm | not rsvg though | 21:22 |
| mithro | hrm... | 21:22 |
| Ohm | Lukstr: cool | 21:22 |
| mithro | there must be something else which went wrong :/ | 21:23 |
| Ohm | yes, somewhere | 21:23 |
| Ohm | but I really have no idea | 21:24 |
| Ohm | around 5 days before I installed some rsvg things manually | 21:24 |
| Lukstr | ultra bizarre though | 21:24 |
| Ohm | which was probably the causing factor, although I have no idea why it took so long to materialize | 21:24 |
| Ohm | it should be noted that I have none of my media/work/etc files in /home | 21:25 |
| Ohm | it's all symlinked from my home-folder, so I still have convenient access | 21:25 |
| Ohm | oliver@Ra:~/Videos$ ls -l | 21:25 |
| Ohm | total 0 | 21:25 |
| Ohm | lrwxrwxrwx 1 oliver oliver 30 2007-12-18 19:26 Documentaries -> /media/Khemennu/documentaries/ | 21:25 |
| Ohm | lrwxrwxrwx 1 oliver oliver 24 2007-12-07 00:39 Film (A - H) -> /media/SD5/Film (A - H)/ | 21:25 |
| Ohm | lrwxrwxrwx 1 oliver oliver 29 2007-12-18 19:22 Film (I - Z) -> /media/Khemennu/Film (I - Z)/ | 21:26 |
| Ohm | lrwxrwxrwx 1 oliver oliver 22 2008-03-12 01:26 Film (RAR) -> /media/SD4/Film (RAR)/ | 21:26 |
| Ohm | lrwxrwxrwx 1 oliver oliver 30 2008-03-12 01:26 Music Videos (RAR) -> /media/SD4/Music Videos (RAR)/ | 21:26 |
| Ohm | lrwxrwxrwx 1 oliver oliver 23 2007-12-18 19:32 Series -> /media/Khemennu/Series/ | 21:26 |
| Ohm | lrwxrwxrwx 1 oliver oliver 19 2007-12-18 19:57 Series 2 -> /media/SD5/Series 2 | 21:26 |
| Ohm | lrwxrwxrwx 1 oliver oliver 18 2008-03-12 01:26 Series 3 -> /media/SD4/Series/ | 21:26 |
| Ohm | lrwxrwxrwx 1 oliver oliver 28 2008-01-20 22:08 Stuff -> /media/Khemennu/Video-stuff/ | 21:26 |
| Ohm | lrwxrwxrwx 1 oliver oliver 21 2007-12-18 19:29 Talks -> /media/Khemennu/talks | 21:26 |
| Ohm | like so | 21:26 |
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| Epyon | Congratz to making it into GSoC :DDDDDDDD | 21:59 |
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| JLP | Epyon: thanks | 22:02 |
| * JLP goes writing on his blog about this | 22:04 | |
| Epyon | I'll be submitting a proposal this year :) | 22:06 |
| Epyon | I hope at least one of the orgs takes me :D | 22:06 |
| JLP | Epyon: looking forward to ready your applications | 22:08 |
| * JLP needs to get sleeping, see you in 8 hours | 22:24 | |
| JLafont | JLP: Nite | 22:34 |
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| mithro | JLafont: so how goes your RFTS stuff? | 23:03 |
| JLafont | mithro: I'm working on the second Draft of what I showed you last time | 23:04 |
| JLafont | This is what I've been thinking off so far | 23:05 |
| JLafont | http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dg93sdv_2hmxcqvc2 | 23:05 |
| tpb | Title: Thousand Parsec AI (at docs.google.com) | 23:05 |
| JLafont | Feel free to be as blunt and harsh as possible | 23:05 |
| mithro | I don't have a lot of time to look today | 23:09 |
| mithro | but will look tommorrow probably | 23:09 |
| * llnz reads | 23:10 | |
| JLafont | kk np | 23:10 |
| JLafont | Still needs alot of work | 23:11 |
| JLafont | Have a lot I keep thinking of doing, but I need to balance it out and make sure it is possible. | 23:11 |
| mithro | JLafont: it would look really good if you have some type of example done before the selection criteria finishes | 23:20 |
| mithro | (IE A proof of concept type thing) | 23:20 |
| llnz | JLafont: are you going to start with tpsai-py or a protocol library, or what? | 23:22 |
| JLafont | mithro: Do you mean like a general code/pseudocode | 23:27 |
| JLafont | llnz: I'm thinking of building from tpsai | 23:27 |
| llnz | ok, cool | 23:27 |
| JLafont | llnz: I still haven't fully explored the protocol library though | 23:27 |
| mithro | JLafont: well a working example would be like a killer application | 23:28 |
| mithro | JLafont: something which shows that your idea works | 23:28 |
| mithro | maybe playing an example game only using the rules you develop | 23:28 |
| JLafont | mithro: Ahh ok. Hmmm. I'll have to look into that | 23:28 |
| mithro | JLafont: if you are going to base on tpsai-py you showing a good understanding of that is also good | 23:29 |
| mithro | JLP: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/17/2358207 ugg phpBB strikes again | 23:32 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1h3_> (at it.slashdot.org) | 23:32 |
| JLafont | mithro: Yeah I've been looking it at a lot. Its helped me figure out a little about how it interacts with the server | 23:32 |
| JLafont | mithro: JLP went to sleep | 23:33 |
| mithro | JLafont: I can prove that tpsai-py will converge to a stable solution on any given input :) | 23:33 |
| mithro | tpsai-py is also deterministic | 23:33 |
| mithro | it will always do the same thing given the same input | 23:33 |
| JLafont | heh, I'm hoping my AI will be as well | 23:34 |
| mithro | JLafont: so what are you going to do to show that? | 23:37 |
| JLafont | mithro: Good question. I guess I can try doing a quick program to show its effectiveness | 23:39 |
| JLafont | maybe with Minisec | 23:40 |
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