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| JLafont | mithro: Thanks Mithro, yeah I was considering adding specifics for rulesets. This is just a very rough draft of what I'd want to do | 00:15 |
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| mithro | JLafont: make sure you are realistic in your goals | 00:15 |
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| JLafont | mithro: Most of what I put in I'm sure I can do. The hardest part will be abstracting the AI for any ruleset. I'll need to look up how rulesets are defined and work from there as to how feasible that is | 00:17 |
| mithro | JLafont: if you had to load some type of "profile" for each ruleset, that would be cool | 00:18 |
| mithro | but there are some very different games | 00:18 |
| mithro | IE RFTS is mainly a conquer using game, while TIMTrader is mainly a trade game | 00:18 |
| llnz | JLafont: just had a skim of your document, interesting, I will read more when I get home | 00:18 |
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| llnz | bbl | 00:19 |
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| JLafont | mithro: That helps. I think I know how I might be able to handle vastly different play styles for games. Something like a different heuristic depending on game type. | 00:20 |
| JLafont | mithro: Thanks though! I think, I have a better understanding | 00:21 |
| mithro | JLafont: you could quit easily make a RISK in space clone | 00:21 |
| mithro | JLafont: have a look at http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Rulesets | 00:21 |
| tpb | Title: Rulesets - Thousand Parsec Wiki (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 00:21 |
| JLafont | I'll try to work it out to more depth once this flu stops making my brain want to jump out of its skill | 00:22 |
| mithro | and http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Clone_Ruleset | 00:22 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1bX9> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 00:22 |
| JLafont | ok, I see I need to rework my abstraction idea a little. The one I have could work for Conquest-type rulesets but not for the other trade oriented once | 00:24 |
| JLafont | skill = skull | 00:25 |
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| mithro | opps I wonder what happened there.... | 00:46 |
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| Ohm | morning | 00:59 |
| Ohm | mithro: same error that you've been getting all yesterday when disconnecting. Read error: 110, connection timed out. | 00:59 |
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| mithro | JLafont: are you still around? | 01:03 |
| JLafont | yeah | 01:11 |
| JLafont | mithro: Whats up? | 01:11 |
| mithro | JLafont: just wanted to say - we would be more likely to select a project which has a clear plan for a working RFTS ruleset with some thought about possibly extending to MTSec and others rather then a "I'l make an AI which works for everything" | 01:12 |
| Lukstr | JLafont: you could maybe focus on one ruleset then include future plans to expand to include others? | 01:14 |
| JLafont | mithro: Ok! Thanks! That was my initial idea, but then I kept thinking on how I could abstract it. | 01:14 |
| JLafont | mithro: That would probably work best | 01:14 |
| mithro | JLafont: you only have 3 months - which might seem like a long time, but will fly by :) | 01:14 |
| JLafont | mithro: Will just have to keep myself focused on RTFS then. | 01:15 |
| Lukstr | 3 months *does* fly by, I was upset (and naive) that I didn't get more done where I worked last summer but in retrospect it's all good | 01:15 |
| mithro | JLafont: please leave plenty time for testing | 01:16 |
| mithro | (and releasing - I think this year we are really going to push for the students to do a release at the end of their summer) | 01:16 |
| JLafont | mithro: Sure thing. I'll make sure to work that out too. | 01:16 |
| mithro | do mention that you have thought about/are thinking about how to support more then just RFTS | 01:17 |
| JLafont | Alright | 01:17 |
| JLafont | I'm thinking of doing RFTS and then try to add some support for TIM | 01:18 |
| JLafont | mithro: Thanks! I'll make sure to keep all of this in mind. | 01:19 |
| mithro | MTSec is probably a little closer to RFTS being combat based too | 01:19 |
| mithro | and likely to get finished sooner too :) | 01:20 |
| JLafont | mithro: Ahh, in that case, MTSec it is! | 01:21 |
| JLafont | alright. Time for me to sleep | 01:37 |
| JLafont | Bye Bye | 01:37 |
| mithro | JLafont: have a good night | 01:37 |
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| * Lukstr brews coffee. | 02:03 | |
| mithro | llnz: I will have something for you to read through later tonight | 02:07 |
| llnz | ok, cool | 02:07 |
| mithro | well off home now | 02:17 |
| mithro | see ya! | 02:17 |
| llnz | cya | 02:19 |
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| llnz | hi Wyk3d | 03:56 |
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| llnz | hi Epyon | 03:57 |
| Epyon | hi llnz :) | 03:59 |
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| llnz | wb mithro | 05:21 |
| mithro | hey llnz | 05:21 |
| mithro | llnz: do you think we need an application template? | 05:27 |
| jotham | if you go to bed before i go home from work again | 05:27 |
| llnz | as in define a template for SoC student applications? | 05:27 |
| jotham | i'll stab something ;-) | 05:27 |
| llnz | jotham: just so long it is not yourself you stab (or any living thing, for that matter) | 05:28 |
| mithro | llnz: yeah | 05:28 |
| mithro | jotham: thats not good, as I'm planning on going to bed soonish | 05:30 |
| jotham | haha | 05:30 |
| jotham | i'll find something worthless | 05:30 |
| llnz | mithro: humm... not really | 05:31 |
| llnz | unless there is a good reason i can't think of | 05:31 |
| mithro | llnz: how much longer you going to be around? | 05:31 |
| llnz | 30 minutes + | 05:31 |
| mithro | 1. What is your plan for dealing with disappearing students? | 05:32 |
| mithro | 2. What is your plan for dealing with disappearing mentors? | 05:32 |
| mithro | llnz: want to write down your thoughts about the above? | 05:32 |
| mithro | llnz: what is your google account address again? | 05:33 |
| llnz | my google account is my email address | 05:33 |
| llnz | sure, i could note a few ideas and email them | 05:33 |
| mithro | cool | 05:34 |
| mithro | you going to be around tommorrow? | 05:35 |
| llnz | should be | 05:36 |
| mithro | you fly out thursday right? | 05:37 |
| llnz | yes | 05:37 |
| mithro | any idea when nash gets back? | 05:39 |
| llnz | should be back | 05:39 |
| mithro | March 12: Mentoring organization application deadline (12 noon PDT/19:00 UTC). | 05:40 |
| llnz | about 24hr after i arrive back in NZ | 05:43 |
| llnz | :-) | 05:43 |
| mithro | llnz: I've put you as the backup admin, that okay? | 05:48 |
| llnz | sure, no problem | 05:48 |
| Ohm | mithro: I've gotten a good friend interested in TP aswell :) | 06:21 |
| mithro | yay! | 06:21 |
| mithro | the more the merrier :) | 06:21 |
| Ohm | he might also apply for SoC | 06:21 |
| Ohm | also, he is a great programmer, so he'd be a good addition | 06:22 |
| llnz | cool | 06:22 |
| mithro | llnz: well, I will forward the GSoC stuff tommorrow | 06:22 |
| mithro | I need to head to bed | 06:22 |
| llnz | ok, i'll email my bits shortly | 06:23 |
| Ohm | sleep well | 06:23 |
| llnz | cya later mithro | 06:23 |
| JLP | morning all | 06:43 |
| llnz | hi JLP | 06:44 |
| Ohm | hi | 06:44 |
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| Ohm | argh, I only got 3h of sleep last night | 06:47 |
| Ohm | and I am starting to feel it | 06:51 |
| * JLP hopes today the mic gets delivered | 06:56 | |
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| Ohm | so do I! | 06:57 |
| Lukstr | I haven't slept. | 07:08 |
| Lukstr | :) | 07:09 |
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| llnz | later all | 07:13 |
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| JLP | yay the mic is here, now let's try to record something | 08:29 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 10:03 |
| JLP | bddebian: ahoj | 10:17 |
| bddebian | Hi JLP | 10:26 |
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| JLP | mithro: hey | 16:53 |
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| mithro | hey JLP | 16:54 |
| JLP | mithro: good news, i got the mic | 16:54 |
| mithro | JLP: cool | 16:54 |
| JLP | mithro: bad news, looks like the driver for the integrated sound card in my laptop has a bug with recording, so can't get anything | 16:55 |
| mithro | JLP: arg :/ | 16:55 |
| mithro | JLP: check you have not just accidently muted the inlines? :) | 16:55 |
| JLP | nope, i searched the alsa bug tracker and the bug is there | 16:55 |
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| JLP | mithro: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2449 | 16:58 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1dAH> (at bugtrack.alsa-project.org) | 16:58 |
| JLP | so i will have to wait until i get home where i have some decent soundcards (hercules game theater xp, sound blaster audigy 2 zs) | 17:00 |
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| mithro | JLP: :/ | 17:07 |
| Ohm | we finished the ADA project today | 17:08 |
| Ohm | at fucking last | 17:08 |
| Ohm | like 10% of the trouble was dealing with threads and such | 17:08 |
| Ohm | the rest was dealing with ADA's incredibly shitty string and in/out libraries, aswell as the sockets that only allowed us to transfer strings. | 17:09 |
| Ohm | Also, shitty exception handling (by the end we found some exception libs that, by then, would just have been more work to implement) | 17:09 |
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| llnz | hi Wyk3d | 18:26 |
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| mithro | hey greywhind | 19:45 |
| greywhind | hey mithro | 19:45 |
| mithro | how goes everything? | 19:45 |
| mithro | greywhind: started thinking about a GSoC proposal? | 19:45 |
| mithro | greywhind: who do you want me to send this evaluation to again? | 19:46 |
| greywhind | mithro: i haven't really, since i still don't know if you'll be accepted, but i'd love to talk about one whenever you know for sure | 19:46 |
| greywhind | mithro: [email protected] | 19:47 |
| greywhind | David White | 19:47 |
| mithro | Quarter 3 right? | 19:48 |
| greywhind | yes | 19:48 |
| mithro | okay cool | 19:49 |
| mithro | greywhind: could of things regarding your resource drop down | 19:50 |
| mithro | the drop down does not appear to disappear when I click elsewhere | 19:51 |
| greywhind | mithro: err... you mean "couple of things"? | 19:51 |
| mithro | greywhind: yeah :) | 19:51 |
| greywhind | mithro: yeah... that one is related to the code from the original demo | 19:52 |
| greywhind | mithro: do you know how I can fix it? | 19:52 |
| greywhind | seems like the window refuses to let anything else take focus... | 19:52 |
| mithro | the pop-up is centered on the selection box, it would be better that it started left aligned | 19:53 |
| mithro | every second time I click on the down box, it appears in totally the wrong place | 19:53 |
| greywhind | mithro: really? hmm | 19:54 |
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| mithro | lastly, the selection box is crammed up in the top left instead of expanding to the avalible space | 19:56 |
| mithro | it would also be good for it to actually show some text in the text box part :) | 19:56 |
| greywhind | mithro: do you have screenshots of the "totally wrong place" and "not expanding" bugs? | 19:57 |
| mithro | http://www.thousandparsec.net/~tim/Screenshot-5.png | 19:58 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1dD7> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 19:58 |
| greywhind | mithro: i see. the selection box being smaller... i didn't see that on my client because it's perfectly sized for the Mac client icons/bar | 19:59 |
| greywhind | the box being in the wrong place... i have no idea why that's happening, but i'll take a look at it | 19:59 |
| greywhind | i also haven't seen that one | 19:59 |
| greywhind | mithro: for now, though, I have to try to remember everything I did this quarter and write about it | 20:01 |
| mithro | you might want to look into the wx.PopupWindow example | 20:01 |
| mithro | looks like wx.PopupCtrl is borked | 20:01 |
| mithro | (I'm getting similar behaviour in the wxPython demo) | 20:02 |
| greywhind | mithro: so i need to use PopupWindow instead? | 20:02 |
| mithro | greywhind: looks like it - wx.PopupTransientWindow probably | 20:03 |
| greywhind | mithro: ok... i'll try that after finishing my summary, which might take me a day or two | 20:03 |
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| mithro | greywhind: okay | 20:04 |
| mithro | greywhind: mentor evaluation sent | 20:12 |
| greywhind | mithro: thanks much. | 20:12 |
| greywhind | when i've finished this summary, i'll send you a copy | 20:12 |
| mithro | greywhind: you have mostly 5's :) | 20:12 |
| greywhind | mithro: :) | 20:12 |
| greywhind | do you have any suggestions on how i could improve? | 20:13 |
| mithro | greywhind: my biggest bone to pick would be your involvement on the mailing lists and other communities | 20:17 |
| mithro | s/other communities/other FOSS communities/ | 20:17 |
| mithro | Still yet to post to the wxFloatCanvas list | 20:18 |
| greywhind | mithro: oh, sorry - forgot to actually hit the enter key to send you this: yeah, i've been much more reluctant to get involved in the FloatCanvas list than I should have been... I'll work on that. | 20:37 |
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| bddebian | Howdy folks | 21:12 |
| mithro | hey bddebian | 21:26 |
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| bddebian | Hi mithro | 21:27 |
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| mithro | how does our wonderful package maintainer go? | 21:29 |
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| bddebian | Hah, you must want something? :-) | 21:30 |
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| mithro | bddebian: just the normal :) | 21:30 |
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| mithro | jotham: I hope you didn't end up stabbing anything you needed | 21:32 |
| mithro | hey JLP | 21:32 |
| JLP | mithro: hey | 21:33 |
| mithro | JLP: any luck with the help movies? | 21:34 |
| JLP | mithro: well i'm not home yet, i'm currently here in Ljubljana, i get home to Bohinj a day after tomorrow | 21:35 |
| mithro | JLP: I sent out a few queries regarding a forum<->mailing list interface | 21:36 |
| JLP | mithro: yup i've seen something on gsoc | 21:36 |
| mithro | JLP: any luck with the subtitle avenue? | 21:36 |
| JLP | mithro: didn't have a chance to look much at it yet, i've just found some ksubtitle program | 21:39 |
| mithro | Then I needed to find a software that allows me to embed the subtitles on the Video without any significant quality loss. After trying Subtitle Editor, Gnome Subtitles, Gaupol and Ksubtitle; I finally settled on Subtitle Editor. | 21:39 |
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| mithro | JLP: I think subtitles are probably a really good way to go even when we add voice overs | 21:52 |
| mithro | http://www.debuntu.org/2006/04/12/27-how-to-editing-subtitles-with-subtitleeditor | 21:52 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1dF1> (at www.debuntu.org) | 21:52 |
| mithro | http://www.linux.com/feature/125978 | 21:54 |
| tpb | Title: Linux.com :: Subtitle manipulation tools for Linux (at www.linux.com) | 21:54 |
| mithro | JLP: I'm assuming you have not gotten any further in the scripts? | 21:55 |
| llnz | reason to subtitle: http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/000597.html | 21:55 |
| tpb | Title: ASCII by Jason Scott: Subtitle Your Fucking Movie (at ascii.textfiles.com) | 21:55 |
| llnz | it puts it kind of harshly | 22:02 |
| * JLP reads | 22:02 | |
| mithro | llnz: well, with a title like that I wouldn't expect any less | 22:02 |
| llnz | :-) | 22:03 |
| mithro | I have to admit, that article doesn't actually add anything to the title | 22:06 |
| llnz | hummm... true, it's kinda all there | 22:08 |
| mithro | ~seen nash | 22:47 |
| tpb | mithro: nash was last seen in #tp 5 days, 23 hours, 13 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <nash> night | 22:47 |
| llnz | mithro: did you see the note in the email from nash last night? | 22:47 |
| mithro | llnz: which one? | 22:48 |
| llnz | in with the async sql stuff, about being away for a bit | 22:48 |
| mithro | llnz: I don't see anything? | 22:49 |
| llnz | on tp-devel | 22:50 |
| mithro | oh yeah, I found that line | 22:50 |
| mithro | any idea what nash's Google ID is? | 22:50 |
| llnz | errr.. nope, you can't see it on last year's site? | 22:51 |
| mithro | no | 22:54 |
| mithro | llnz: what did nash mean by "in-sequence" requirement? | 22:54 |
| mithro | llnz / JLP if you have some time | 23:00 |
| mithro | I've still yet to fill in the following questions | 23:00 |
| mithro | 3. What steps will you take to encourage students to interact with your | 23:00 |
| mithro | project's community before, during and after the program? | 23:00 |
| mithro | 4. What will you do to ensure that your accepted students stick with the | 23:00 |
| mithro | project after GSoC concludes? | 23:00 |
| mithro | could use your input | 23:01 |
| JLP | 3. already doing it on gsoc channel :) | 23:02 |
| JLP | otherwise, well the most we can do is to sign up on at least devel and announce list and invite to hang out with us on irc | 23:04 |
| mithro | JLP: after paragraphs to put in the application :) | 23:06 |
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| llnz | mithro: wrt in-sequence, he thinks that the frames must occur in sequence number order and group (ie, no interleaving), i think | 23:19 |
| mithro | TBBle: you see the miniconf videos | 23:19 |
| mithro | llnz: but we don't specify that at all? | 23:19 |
| mithro | libtpproto-py doesn't depend on that | 23:19 |
| TBBle | Actually, no, I just came to ping you about it, and discovered my IPv6 had dropped out | 23:20 |
| TBBle | Where are they? | 23:20 |
| llnz | the other two point if you email to me I might be able to write something later tonight | 23:20 |
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| llnz | bbl | 23:20 |
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| mithro | :/ | 23:29 |
| mithro | TBBle: did you get any of that? | 23:29 |
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| TBBle | Nope | 23:32 |
| mithro | [14:58] <mithro> TBBle: http://mithro.dyndns.org/~tim/gaming-miniconf.torrent | 23:33 |
| mithro | [14:58] <mithro> as posted on the mailing list | 23:33 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1dGi> (at mithro.dyndns.org) | 23:33 |
| TBBle | Ah. I'm well-behind on the mailing list. | 23:33 |
| TBBle | I'll have to grab those tonight, and bring 'em in to work. CC-BY-SA I assume? | 23:33 |
| TBBle | Ooops, gotta run to uni. TTFN. | 23:34 |
| mithro | TBBle: yeah | 23:37 |
| mithro | TBBle: not the highest quality - same as the LCA web ones | 23:37 |
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