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| mithro | wb llnz | 02:05 |
| llnz | thanks mithro | 02:05 |
| mithro | llnz: when do you head out again? | 02:05 |
| llnz | thursday afternoon | 02:05 |
| mithro | ahh cool - I was thinking it was tommorrow | 02:08 |
| mithro | the GSoC applications open tommorrow | 02:09 |
| llnz | cool | 02:09 |
| mithro | s/applications/mentor applications/ | 02:09 |
| mithro | s/mentor/mentor org/ | 02:10 |
| mithro | :) | 02:10 |
| mithro | you get the point | 02:10 |
| llnz | yeah | 02:10 |
| * mithro pokes xdotx | 02:10 | |
| xdotx | mithro: yo | 02:14 |
| mithro | xdotx: you have pmsg :) | 02:17 |
| xdotx | mithro: huzzah! how right you are | 02:19 |
| mithro | well I'm off to bed | 05:46 |
| mithro | gnight! | 05:46 |
| jotham | man | 05:46 |
| jotham | i haven't even left work yet | 05:46 |
| mithro | jotham: :( | 05:46 |
| * llnz hasn't seen his head yet | 05:59 | |
| llnz | oh, wait... | 06:00 |
| * llnz sees it in the bottom corner of the panel session | 06:01 | |
| JLP | morning all | 06:27 |
| llnz | hi JLP | 06:27 |
| Ohm | morning people | 06:47 |
| Ohm | mithro: sorry, no, I was pretty much working all night yesterday | 06:47 |
| llnz | hi Ohm | 06:47 |
| Ohm | and after breakfast, I'm going to start working again | 06:47 |
| Ohm | i thought of two good things to do with tpclient-pywx before the GSoC starts | 06:49 |
| Ohm | change the drag-behaviour from this to more "interactive"-feeling, make it keep floating a bit in the direction you just dragged (depending on your velocity when you release the mouse button) | 06:51 |
| Ohm | sort of like how scrolling works on the iPhone | 06:51 |
| Ohm | aswell as smooth zooming, and making objects scale up to a larger size when zooming. | 06:51 |
| Ohm | What do you think? It won't get me introduced to the AI/tpcl or such, but it will get me familiar with your git repos, introduce me to your mailing lists, and be a valuable Python experience | 06:53 |
| llnz | Ohm: sounds good to me | 06:53 |
| llnz | mithro has gone for the night, he should be around again in about 9 hours or so | 06:54 |
| JLP | don't objects already become bigger when zooming in, aren't they just very small compared to distances between them sou you would have to zoom a lot ot see them grow larger | 06:55 |
| llnz | JLP: that is true | 06:55 |
| llnz | 10^6 distance vs 10^1 size | 06:56 |
| JLP | but yes, the zzoming step could inrease a lot when only one object is on screen | 06:56 |
| llnz | or a "system view" for a single star system, cf Master of Orion | 06:57 |
| Ohm | yes, that would be extremely nice | 06:57 |
| JLP | Ohm: i suggest you file a bugfeature request about this to our bug tracker | 06:58 |
| Ohm | I don't think realistical scales are very important when it comes to zooming, the aesthetics and functionality are more important imo | 06:58 |
| Ohm | What does the TP community think about realism VS fun? | 06:58 |
| llnz | fun first, imho | 06:59 |
| llnz | but realism doesn't hurt, most of the time | 06:59 |
| Ohm | I'll file the feature request (in SF.net, right?) and see what people think | 07:00 |
| Ohm | But that'll have to wait until after I get home from campus | 07:00 |
| llnz | yes, sf.net, sounds like a good plan | 07:01 |
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| llnz | later all | 07:01 |
| JLP | llnz: bye | 07:01 |
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| * JLP goes installing mandriva linux 2008.1 rc1 also on his laptop, brb | 07:03 | |
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| Ohm | time for shower and then bike to campus | 07:06 |
| Ohm | later | 07:06 |
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| JLP | Wyk3d: ahoy | 07:33 |
| Wyk3d | hi :) | 07:36 |
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| Wyk3d | what's the best way to use git on windows currently ? | 07:42 |
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| JLP | Wyk3d: did you check this out - http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/WindowsInstall | 07:44 |
| tpb | Title: WindowsInstall - GitWiki (at git.or.cz) | 07:44 |
| Wyk3d | ah no i haven't, thanks :) | 07:45 |
| JLP | Wyk3d: hope it helps, i can't halp much with windows, haven't used it for quite a while | 07:47 |
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| remaxim | hi | 09:59 |
| JLP | remaxim: ahoy | 09:59 |
| remaxim | does anyone know how to get out of the mailing list? | 10:00 |
| JLP | i think that the instructions for unsubscirbing are sent in the welcome e-mail which you get when you subscribe | 10:01 |
| remaxim | ok, thx... I ll have to look it up | 10:02 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 10:25 |
| bddebian | If any of you gutsy users get a chance can you try the python client packages again? | 10:25 |
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| remaxim | hi mithro | 12:01 |
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| JLafont | allo all | 12:22 |
| bddebian | Hello JLafont | 12:24 |
| JLP | JLafont: ahoy | 12:24 |
| bddebian | JLafont: Were you one of the Gutsy users? | 12:24 |
| JLafont | nope | 12:27 |
| JLafont | Not unless I decide to reformat my laptop to Linux | 12:27 |
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| JLafont | brb, have to go to a doctors appointment so he can tell me: "Yes! You are still sick! Here have more drugs to make you feel better!" | 12:28 |
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| Ohm | bddebian: I'll try it out now | 13:46 |
| bddebian | Ohm: Great, thanks | 13:47 |
| Ohm | seems to have worked | 13:48 |
| bddebian | If they don't work, I quit ;-P | 13:48 |
| Ohm | works :) | 13:48 |
| Ohm | now I'll just wait for the sound to work on the tutorial vid, and then I'll start playing games | 13:50 |
| bddebian | heh | 13:56 |
| Ohm | mithro: watching first vid of miniconf now | 14:00 |
| Ohm | :O | 14:01 |
| Ohm | you have a TP shirt | 14:01 |
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| Wyk3d | is tp compilable under windows / visual studio ? | 14:26 |
| Ohm | I heard mithro has managed to compile it under windows | 14:28 |
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| Wyk3d | so i guess that means it might work but there are no plans to support windows or ? | 14:29 |
| Wyk3d | or planned but not done yet ? :) | 14:30 |
| JLP | Wyk3d: i guess the problem is only that none of the developers use windows anymore and so it is not checked if it works well | 14:42 |
| JLP | but the python stuff should work without any problems under windows | 14:42 |
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| Lukstr | ping, SoC organization applications are up | 15:30 |
| Ohm | so for everybody in the channel: What is your profession? If you work, where? If you're a student, where? | 15:32 |
| Lukstr | Oooh I like this. | 15:33 |
| Ohm | <-- Comp-Sci student at the Linköping University in Sweden | 15:33 |
| * Lukstr is a 2nd year Engineering Systems & Computing (B.Eng) student at the University of Guelph, also minoring in Computer Science | 15:35 | |
| JLP | Ohm: physics student at university of ljubljana (slovenia), currently working in documentation and qa at one of the software companies | 15:35 |
| * Lukstr is in Canada | 15:36 | |
| Ohm | cool | 15:37 |
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| Ohm | Added a feature request ticket for tpclient-pywx | 16:17 |
| Ohm | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1906535&group_id=132078&atid=723099 | 16:18 |
| tpb | Bug #1906535: Universe view improvements | 16:18 |
| Lukstr | Ohm: Mind if I add comments>? | 16:26 |
| Ohm | not at all | 16:29 |
| Lukstr | priority a bit high? | 16:30 |
| Ohm | yeah, should definitely be lowered | 16:32 |
| Ohm | I didn't see any way to change it | 16:32 |
| Lukstr | ah | 16:33 |
| Ohm | ah, nice to have a proper term for it, thanks for the comment | 16:34 |
| Erroneous | Ohm: an hour late - I'm a software engineer for Gibbs & Associates (http://www.gibbscam.com/), located in California. | 16:35 |
| tpb | Title: Welcome to GibbsCAM.com (at www.gibbscam.com) | 16:35 |
| Ohm | Erroneous: Looks fun. Is it? | 16:39 |
| Erroneous | sure! :) | 16:39 |
| Lukstr | nice, looks like fun software | 16:42 |
| Lukstr | have any CnC's at the workplace? | 16:42 |
| Erroneous | nope | 16:42 |
| Erroneous | sadly | 16:42 |
| Erroneous | our president is of the opinion that we'd be significantly less productive if we spent all our time playing with a cnc machine ;) | 16:43 |
| Lukstr | lies! | 16:46 |
| Ohm | heh | 16:47 |
| Ohm | http://www.marriedtothesea.com/010608/florist.gif | 16:58 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1csC> (at www.marriedtothesea.com) | 16:58 |
| Ohm | jesus christ this comic is funny | 16:58 |
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| llnz | hi all | 19:21 |
| JLP | llnz: ahoy | 19:22 |
| Lukstr | howdy | 19:22 |
| mithro | hey llnz | 19:28 |
| mithro | the org applications are open now | 19:29 |
| mithro | hey JLP | 19:29 |
| Ohm | hey mithro, what do you do for a living? | 19:30 |
| mithro | Currently I write C++ models for mobile phone simulation | 19:30 |
| Ohm | huh | 19:30 |
| JLP | mithro: yo | 19:31 |
| Ohm | fun? | 19:31 |
| Ohm | and how do you find time to be so active in the community? | 19:31 |
| mithro | Ohm: to be honest, not really :/ | 19:31 |
| mithro | the fact that I'm on a junior salary :) | 19:32 |
| Ohm | (what's that?) | 19:32 |
| Lukstr | money | 19:33 |
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| mithro | greywhind! | 19:34 |
| greywhind | mithro: hey | 19:34 |
| Ohm | Yes, but what is the difference between salary and junior salary? | 19:34 |
| greywhind | mithro: i've got the multiple-resource selection working except for the popup, but i'll finish that now | 19:35 |
| mithro | greywhind: cool | 19:35 |
| greywhind | mithro: some of this week, i'll have to work on the quarter summary | 19:35 |
| greywhind | mithro: it would be cool if you could do another evaluation as well. | 19:36 |
| mithro | greywhind: okay | 19:37 |
| mithro | greywhind: forward me the forms again | 19:37 |
| greywhind | mithro: will do | 19:37 |
| Ohm | now that we have some devs in here | 19:38 |
| Ohm | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1906535&group_id=132078&atid=723099 | 19:38 |
| tpb | Bug #1906535: Universe view improvements | 19:38 |
| Ohm | I posted that feature request | 19:39 |
| mithro | Ohm: yeah, I saw | 19:39 |
| Ohm | Was that a good way to do it, is there anything that I should have done different? | 19:39 |
| Ohm | Like dividing it up into 4 different requests | 19:39 |
| mithro | *Zooming should cause the star icons to scale up. | 19:40 |
| mithro | I don't think that would be implimented any time soon | 19:40 |
| mithro | we use to do something like that, and it just didn't work well | 19:40 |
| mithro | Ohm: the others look okay | 19:44 |
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| Ohm | ok | 19:45 |
| Ohm | oops | 19:46 |
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| mithro | well that was unpleasent | 19:48 |
| mithro | did I miss anything? | 19:49 |
| JLP | mithro: nope | 19:49 |
| greywhind | mithro: form is sent. | 19:49 |
| greywhind | let me know if you can't open it | 19:50 |
| Ohm | What is the TLD of tpclient-pywx? | 19:58 |
| Ohm | I have used apt-get install | 19:59 |
| Ohm | (wanting to disable splash movie) | 19:59 |
| Ohm | /usr/bin ? | 20:00 |
| mithro | Ohm: when you start it on the console it should output the location it is installed to | 20:04 |
| Ohm | ah, cool | 20:07 |
| Ohm | nice, found it and managed to turn off splash movie | 20:09 |
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| Ohm | mithro: does tpclient-pywx have any way of automatically gathering settings from a config file? | 20:11 |
| bddebian | Howdy folks | 20:11 |
| Ohm | hey man | 20:12 |
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| CIA-12 | noegnud tpclient-pywx-stable * r09c9212800e4 /windows/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Resource overlay: modified so multiple resources can be selected and shown. | 20:15 |
| CIA-12 | noegnud tpclient-pywx-stable * rcce8ed3e60ac / (4 files in 2 dirs): Merge with stable. | 20:15 |
| Ohm | feels odd with code that cares about indentation | 20:18 |
| greywhind | i'm sure you'll get used to it | 20:18 |
| Ohm | Yeah, no doubt | 20:19 |
| Ohm | It's actually kind of nice. No more wondering wether your friends programmed something wrong since their emcases botched the indentation (often indicative of syntax errors) | 20:20 |
| Ohm | s/emcases/emacses/ | 20:20 |
| greywhind | mithro: tell me if there's any problem with the patch. | 20:20 |
| Ohm | mithro is not here | 20:21 |
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| greywhind | so he wasn't. i have quit messages gagged. | 20:21 |
| mithro | did I miss something? | 20:21 |
| greywhind | mithro: did you see the patch i pushed 5 mins ago? | 20:22 |
| mithro | wireless has been rather unreliable | 20:22 |
| mithro | nope | 20:22 |
| Ohm | 02:13:44 > mithro: does tpclient-pywx have any way of automatically gathering settings from a config file? | 20:22 |
| greywhind | mithro: let me know if you find anything wrong with it. it should fix the resource selection | 20:22 |
| mithro | Ohm: what do you mean? | 20:22 |
| Ohm | Any automated way of setting variables at startup depending on the contents of a user created configuration file | 20:23 |
| Ohm | so that settings for, for example tips window, keyboard shortcuts, ETA blinking, default window size, etc can be gathered in a file | 20:24 |
| Ohm | and so that the effort of adding a new option is small | 20:24 |
| llnz | Ohm: there is a config file for tpclient-pywx | 20:24 |
| Ohm | hooray | 20:24 |
| llnz | look in ~/.tp/ | 20:24 |
| Ohm | only a tips file, cache, NOSPLASHMOVIE, and a media subdirectory in there | 20:25 |
| mithro | tim@vaio:~$ ls -l ~/.tp | 20:25 |
| mithro | total 48 | 20:25 |
| mithro | -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim 33453 2008-03-02 23:23 cache.dHA6Ly90ZXN0QGxvY2FsaG9zdA= | 20:25 |
| mithro | drwxr-xr-x 3 tim tim 4096 2008-01-21 22:02 media | 20:25 |
| mithro | -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim 663 2008-03-02 22:43 pywx_preferences | 20:25 |
| mithro | -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim 15 2008-03-02 23:24 pywx_tips | 20:25 |
| llnz | pywx_preferences iirc | 20:25 |
| Ohm | hm, maybe it is created only when I have set some options to non-default values | 20:26 |
| llnz | probably | 20:27 |
| Ohm | yep, just tested | 20:27 |
| Ohm | wow, that file is really strange looking | 20:27 |
| Ohm | I was thinking something more along the lines of .bashrc or the likes | 20:28 |
| mithro | Ohm: it's a python pickle | 20:28 |
| Ohm | ah | 20:29 |
| Ohm | serializing objects to ASCII files is a new one | 20:30 |
| Ohm | looks good | 20:31 |
| greywhind | mithro: you fixed the keyboard shortcuts on Mac, right? | 20:31 |
| mithro | greywhind: no, not yet | 20:31 |
| mithro | I spent all of last weekend working on the Miniconf videos | 20:32 |
| greywhind | mithro: ah. k. i thought you'd mentioned fixing it, but i guess not. | 20:32 |
| Lukstr | Why did you decide on server-side media (i.e. planet images, etc.) instead of keeping that all clientside? | 20:32 |
| Ohm | Lukstr: clients should be able to connect to any game without hassle, pre-downloading, etc | 20:33 |
| Ohm | regardless of ruleset, media, etc | 20:33 |
| Ohm | Is the impression I've gotten | 20:33 |
| greywhind | mithro: do you want me to do the "no objects" notification next? | 20:33 |
| mithro | greywhind: yeah that would be good | 20:34 |
| llnz | Ohm: that's correct | 20:34 |
| greywhind | k. i'll see if i can get to it this week around the summary | 20:34 |
| mithro | Lukstr: what Ohm said, however there are provisions for shipping a "pre-downloaded" memory | 20:34 |
| mithro | s/memory/media | 20:34 |
| llnz | but the client can pick between different types of media | 20:35 |
| Lukstr | interesting | 20:35 |
| Ohm | mithro: Sorry if I'm bothering you a lot, but I saw a request for making ETA blinking optional in the tracker. Would you accept a patch if I made that possible? | 20:35 |
| mithro | Ohm: sure, but you probably want to have a GUI to go with it | 20:35 |
| Ohm | while looking through source code I happed on the exact place where it happens | 20:35 |
| Ohm | and the change part would be easy, while the gui-part hard | 20:36 |
| mithro | off to lunch | 20:36 |
| Ohm | I'll start working on it in a day or two, then. | 20:36 |
| mithro | bblr | 20:36 |
| Ohm | bye | 20:36 |
| mithro | greywhind: Warning: invalid value encountered in divide | 20:37 |
| * Erroneous divides by nan | 20:37 | |
| * Ohm raises zero to the 0:th power | 20:38 | |
| greywhind | mithro: hmm... is that related to my patch? | 20:39 |
| Lukstr | Apparently you can crash Microsoft PowerToy Calc if you set two functions equal to each other | 20:40 |
| greywhind | mithro: there aren't any division operations in Resource.py | 20:42 |
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| Ohm | good night | 20:52 |
| JLP | Ohm: night | 20:53 |
| * JLP should also get sleeping | 20:54 | |
| * JLP goes watching the video from Gaming Miniconf and when he gets sleepy proceed to bed | 21:03 | |
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| llnz | hi JLafont | 21:04 |
| JLafont | mllo | 21:21 |
| JLafont | woops | 21:21 |
| JLafont | allo | 21:21 |
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| mithro | greywhind: I think so | 21:59 |
| mithro | greywhind: you are probably setting a circle's to diameter of zero | 21:59 |
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| greywhind | mithro: ah... that would probably make sense. i'll check it tomorrow | 22:04 |
| mithro | hey bddebian | 22:07 |
| bddebian | Hi mithro | 22:07 |
| mithro | how goes everything? | 22:07 |
| bddebian | Just dandy thanks, you? | 22:08 |
| mithro | pretty good, just organising the SoC application | 22:35 |
| CIA-12 | noegnud tpclient-pywx-stable * r46c6bd3b26d0 /windows/main/overlays/Resource.py: Fixed "invalid error encountered in divide" error in Resource overlay. | 22:36 |
| greywhind | mithro: decided to do it tonight | 22:36 |
| mithro | greywhind: cool | 22:36 |
| mithro | thanks | 22:36 |
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| JLafont | mithro: I have a question | 23:38 |
| JLafont | mithro: Does TP currently support a Fog of War? and is it implemented in any rule sets yet? | 23:38 |
| Lukstr | JLafont: I love that question, I'm interested too | 23:39 |
| mithro | JLafont: RFTS has a primitive FOW if I understand correctly | 23:39 |
| mithro | it is mainly a server side issue | 23:39 |
| JLafont | mithro: Thats fine, was just wondering. I'm doing a small write up on what I'm thinking of doing with the AI | 23:40 |
| mithro | JLafont: okay cool - is this a SoC thing - or an outside thing? | 23:40 |
| * mithro is having trouble keeping track of everyone :) | 23:40 | |
| JLafont | SoC I would hope | 23:40 |
| mithro | JLafont: okay cool | 23:41 |
| JLafont | mithro: Hah, don't worry about it | 23:41 |
| JLafont | kk, I just did a quick write up for what I'm thinking to do with the AI. Any comments, criticisms and suggestions are always welcome. | 23:44 |
| JLafont | http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dg93sdv_2hmxcqvc2 | 23:45 |
| tpb | Title: Thousand Parsec AI (at docs.google.com) | 23:45 |
| *** shenki has joined #tp | 23:45 | |
| mithro | we have 3 students working on Thousand Parsec outside the Summer of Code | 23:45 |
| mithro | shenki: do you have paul's non-IRC contact details? | 23:46 |
| shenki | mithro: pschulz? yep | 23:46 |
| mithro | shenki: yeah - can you message me with them? | 23:46 |
| shenki | mithro: do you have bluetooth turned on? | 23:47 |
| mithro | shenki: more after ICQ/MSN/Gtalk or similar | 23:49 |
| mithro | got his phone number already | 23:49 |
| shenki | mithro: k. see pm. | 23:50 |
| mithro | thanks | 23:50 |
| mithro | he he, shenki sits about 2 meters from me :) | 23:51 |
| mithro | JLafont: okay some feedback | 23:53 |
| mithro | 1st - You should add some specific details on how this might work for the current rulesets | 23:53 |
| mithro | at the moment the document reads a bit "pie in the sky" - you only have 3 months and we want to see something usable in the end | 23:54 |
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