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| JLP | morning * | 00:31 | 
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| llnz | hi JLP | 00:41 | 
| CIA-19 | llnz tpserver-cpp * r7709628b6fe9 /tpserver/ (objectview.cpp objectview.h): | 00:47 | 
| CIA-19 | Replaced Dead with Gone in ObjectView. | 00:47 | 
| CIA-19 | More accurately reflect what the flag is for. | 00:47 | 
| llnz | i hate pondering big changes to code, it makes me procrastinate | 03:52 | 
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| remaxim | hi | 05:44 | 
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| mithro | hey people | 05:48 | 
| JLP | mithro, remaxim: ahoy | 05:48 | 
| mithro | jotham: any luck? | 05:49 | 
| remaxim | hi JLP | 05:49 | 
| remaxim | hey mithro do you have some time to listen to a longer version of G 5? | 05:49 | 
| mithro | remaxim: probably in about 10 minutes | 05:49 | 
| remaxim | okay... I ll be still here in about 10 min, just tell me when you're ready ;) | 05:50 | 
| mithro | remaxim: do you want to send me links and stuff so I can start the downloads? | 05:51 | 
| remaxim | It's not uploaded yet... | 05:52 | 
| remaxim | and I m in linux right now, so I can't upload it now ... | 05:52 | 
| remaxim | it will take about 10 min till it's ready ;) | 05:52 | 
| remaxim | ok, I have to reboot ... brb | 05:56 | 
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| remaxim | re | 06:00 | 
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| remaxim | mithro, http://www.box.net/shared/pnfiuu0sgc | 06:05 | 
| tpb | Title: Box.net - Free Online File Storage, Internet File Sharing, Online Storage, Access Documents & Files Anywhere, Backup Data, Send Files (at www.box.net) | 06:05 | 
| remaxim | I dunno if I am really happy with this version, but I don't really have any time/wish to work longer on it... | 06:06 | 
| remaxim | it just repeats all the time ... | 06:06 | 
| mithro | remaxim: any thoughts on the battle music stuff? | 06:13 | 
| remaxim | mithro, I didn't see any battleviewer yet | 06:14 | 
| mithro | remaxim: I think it would be easier to give feedback on that | 06:14 | 
| remaxim | on battle music? | 06:14 | 
| mithro | yeah | 06:15 | 
| mithro | background music is hard to give feedback on | 06:15 | 
| mithro | as it is suppose to be subtible | 06:15 | 
| remaxim | yeah, that's why it would be great if someone just could add some sound support | 06:15 | 
| mithro | well, jotham is working on it again | 06:17 | 
| remaxim | mithro, backgroundmusic doesn't always have to be subtible ... at least in my opinion | 06:17 | 
| remaxim | OK, as I said 10,000 times before, I won't do any battle music before there is a battle viewer | 06:18 | 
| remaxim | mithro, so... is the extended version of the music OK? | 06:19 | 
| mithro | remaxim: seems fine, could use a little more variety | 06:20 | 
| remaxim | I could mute some lines so it has more variety... | 06:20 | 
| mithro | remaxim: that could work | 06:21 | 
| remaxim | I m not sure if it will | 06:22 | 
| mithro | nash seemed pretty interested in adding music | 06:23 | 
| mithro | and it is still top of my feature todo list | 06:24 | 
| remaxim | yeah... and you need some test players then ;) ... I hope you have enough of them | 06:25 | 
| remaxim | mithro, I m uploading the next version right now... I ve muted some lines in the extended part | 06:27 | 
| remaxim | mithro, http://www.box.net/shared/ngwolofs4o | 06:29 | 
| tpb | Title: Box.net - Free Online File Storage, Internet File Sharing, Online Storage, Access Documents & Files Anywhere, Backup Data, Send Files (at www.box.net) | 06:29 | 
| remaxim | mithro, is that better now? | 06:36 | 
| mithro | remaxim: I'm afraid I can't really tell the difference :/ | 06:37 | 
| remaxim | ... does it sound OK? | 06:37 | 
| mithro | yeah | 06:37 | 
| remaxim | because it has some more variations in it | 06:37 | 
| mithro | it hasn't driven me batty when listening to it while working on some code | 06:37 | 
| remaxim | I mean the bass is always the same in the background and that's a great problem for trying to get some variations | 06:38 | 
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| mithro | remaxim: I agree | 06:39 | 
| remaxim | zzorn, I ll use your picture as CC-BY-SA without the NC term ... I hope you're okay with it, as you already told me that you agree on rereleasing it as CC-BY-SA! | 06:43 | 
| remaxim | JLP, are you still here? | 06:44 | 
| JLP | remaxim: yup | 06:44 | 
| remaxim | mithro, JLP ... could you help me with something? I need names for those 3 songs ... | 06:44 | 
| JLP | remaxim: uf hard one, something like: deep space, tranqullity | 06:47 | 
| remaxim | yeah I know that it's a hard one... I hope I ll find some names! maybe I m taking the deep space idea for one of them ;) | 06:48 | 
| remaxim | thx | 06:48 | 
| JLP | vibes in void | 06:48 | 
| remaxim | JLP, what does void mean? | 06:50 | 
| JLP | emptines | 06:50 | 
| remaxim | do you think some one will sue me if I call G 9-2 "a new hope" ;) | 06:53 | 
| zzorn | remaxim, Yep, dropping the NC term is okay | 06:53 | 
| remaxim | zzorn, thanks! | 06:53 | 
| zzorn | np :) | 06:53 | 
| remaxim | that way I don't need to dual license my work! ... | 06:54 | 
| zzorn | always nice | 06:54 | 
| remaxim | zzorn, do you want the link to the album page when it's ready? | 06:54 | 
| zzorn | yep, sure! | 06:54 | 
| remaxim | ok... I ll send it to you! thx | 06:55 | 
| zzorn | drop it to zzorn at iki.fi if I'm afk | 06:55 | 
| remaxim | ok | 06:56 | 
| remaxim | JLP, what do you thin of G 5 = "deep space" (great idea of mine, isn't it? ), G 8 = "space fallout" and G9 = "a new beginning" | 07:00 | 
| remaxim | *think | 07:01 | 
| remaxim | mithro, sorry that question was for you too | 07:01 | 
| remaxim | maybe "deep space flight" instead of "deep space" | 07:02 | 
| remaxim | as the main idea of the song was to draw a vision of a space flight | 07:02 | 
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| remaxim | no opinions on that? | 07:10 | 
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| mithro | remaxim: no opinion | 07:22 | 
| remaxim | okay | 07:22 | 
| remaxim | the album is already uploaded and ready to be published! they just have to encode everything and that takes a while | 07:23 | 
| mithro | remaxim: an album of 3 songs? | 07:23 | 
| remaxim | yes ... that's quite common at jamendo | 07:24 | 
| remaxim | I already told you that ... and you already asked that question sometimes before ... | 07:25 | 
| remaxim | I just added the tag "dune" to G 8 ;) | 07:28 | 
| JLP | remaxim: sorry, was having lunch, the names are fine | 07:32 | 
| remaxim | JLP, I already changed them a little bit... it's called "dark fallout" not "space fallout" anymore... ;) | 07:33 | 
| remaxim | np btw. and thanks for the opinion | 07:33 | 
| JLP | also cool | 07:33 | 
| remaxim | now I just have to wait till it's finished and then I am going on promotion tour ;) | 07:37 | 
| mithro | remaxim: any idea on nash's thoughts about crossfadeing between peices and such? | 07:53 | 
| remaxim | nope | 07:54 | 
| remaxim | unfortunatly not | 07:54 | 
| JLP | oh i see Ohloh has finaly fixed their problem with processing TP code | 07:59 | 
| mithro | it's interesting that I have done about double the number of commits Lee has | 08:01 | 
| mithro | Lee has changed ~101,000, while I have change ~301,000 | 08:03 | 
| mithro | I wonder why the huge difference? | 08:03 | 
| remaxim | mithro, you wouldn t dare to say that if lee as in here ;) | 08:03 | 
| mithro | remaxim: sure | 08:04 | 
| remaxim | :D | 08:04 | 
| mithro | I wonder if the stats are wrong | 08:04 | 
| mithro | as I wouldn't have said I have written twice/three times as much as Lee | 08:04 | 
| mithro | greywhind is up to our 9th biggest commiter :P | 08:05 | 
| remaxim | mithro, maybe they counting a little bit strange.. | 08:05 | 
| JLP | who knows, maybe something got lost from the commit history, or maybe it is even true | 08:06 | 
| mithro | I think maybe they are double counting where we have both the stable and development branches listed | 08:06 | 
| JLP | maybe we should only have development branches/truns listed | 08:07 | 
| JLP | i see tpclient-pywx listed 3 times | 08:08 | 
| mithro | dunno - they will have to fix it eventually | 08:08 | 
| JLP | everything that is in stable versions was at one point in the development version, so i think that would be enough to see how it evolved | 08:12 | 
| mithro | JLP: not at all | 08:15 | 
| remaxim | I ll get some food and have to work afterwards! have a nice time ... | 08:15 | 
| mithro | the stable and development versions branched a while back | 08:15 | 
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| mithro | and the stable version was just killed | 08:15 | 
| mithro | JLP: you have pmsg | 08:17 | 
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| bddebian | Howdy | 15:05 | 
| mithro | hey bddebian | 15:56 | 
| mithro | greywhind: ping? | 15:56 | 
| greywhind | mithro: pong... you're up early. | 15:57 | 
| mithro | greywhind: yeah :) got to get into work early | 15:57 | 
| mithro | greywhind: did you see my latest patches? | 15:57 | 
| bddebian | Hi mithro. From talking to a few people it sounds like apt-ftparchive is too simplistic for what you want. You'd have to probably use something like reprepro. | 15:58 | 
| greywhind | mithro: possibly | 15:58 | 
| mithro | bddebian: dang | 15:58 | 
| mithro | greywhind: I finally got a mac to test on | 15:58 | 
| greywhind | mithro: cool | 15:58 | 
| mithro | http://git.thousandparsec.net/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=tpclient-pywx.git;a=commit;h=679a5382db8ca0578f9e8430e027a4a13f522a77 | 15:59 | 
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1ZRd> (at git.thousandparsec.net) | 15:59 | 
| mithro | greywhind: that should fix the first *really* annoying thing in the client | 16:00 | 
| greywhind | mithro: which? | 16:02 | 
| mithro | greywhind: that the pop-up window steals focus away from the primary window | 16:03 | 
| greywhind | mithro: ah | 16:03 | 
| greywhind | nice | 16:03 | 
| mithro | IE when mousing around the starmap | 16:03 | 
| mithro | greywhind: the next thing I'm going to play with is the panelOrder pop-up | 16:05 | 
| greywhind | thanks | 16:05 | 
| mithro | greywhind: I also fixed the problem that the UI locks up every now and then when it gets a flood of events from another thread | 16:05 | 
| mithro | but I need to check that doesn't break other OSes first | 16:06 | 
| greywhind | mithro: nice | 16:06 | 
| mithro | greywhind: so yeah, things are looking up in the Mac world | 16:08 | 
| greywhind | mithro: indeed. | 16:08 | 
| mithro | greywhind: so btw, we have a windows installable | 16:08 | 
| mithro | bddebian: btw, I have yet to get that email | 16:09 | 
| mithro | greywhind: if you go to the sf page, you can download it there | 16:09 | 
| mithro | http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=132078&use_mirror=osdn&filename=tpclient-pywx-0.3.0-setup.exe&17193173 | 16:09 | 
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1ZRp> (at sourceforge.net) | 16:09 | 
| greywhind | mithro: cool | 16:09 | 
| mithro | anyway have to run! | 16:10 | 
| mithro | see ya | 16:10 | 
| greywhind | cya | 16:10 | 
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| CIA-19 | mithro libtpclient-py-stable * rdff2b3074305 /tp/client/cache.py: It appears that cPickle might not be thread safe on MacOS X. | 16:51 | 
| CIA-19 | mithro libtpclient-py-stable * rd2a64e7dbdc1 /tp/client/media.py: Rate limit the media download callbacks. | 16:51 | 
| CIA-19 | mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r5964f083fd29 / (tpclient-pywx windows/winUpdate.py): Changed the way the callbacks are processed in the GUI to prevent a flood from causing UI lockup. | 16:51 | 
| mithro | morning nash | 16:52 | 
| nash | heyo | 16:52 | 
| mithro | how goes everything? | 16:53 | 
| nash | Pretty cool | 16:54 | 
| mithro | nash: that sounds better then last week? | 16:54 | 
| nash | It's monday, and I feel mellow | 16:54 | 
| nash | that is all | 16:54 | 
| mithro | nash: I remeber you saying that you wanted your friends to play Thousand Parsec - what in the current tpclient-pywx is preventing that? | 16:54 | 
| nash | Fan and execrement shall meet on wednesday or so | 16:54 | 
| nash | minisec | 16:55 | 
| mithro | nash: RFTS works? | 16:55 | 
| greywhind | mithro: the popups still seem to take focus | 16:56 | 
| nash | Only the basic game, which really is not up to snuff. The advanced was | 16:56 | 
| mithro | greywhind: are you sure you updated? | 16:56 | 
| greywhind | mithro: yeah | 16:57 | 
| mithro | greywhind: do you have the wxPython demo? | 16:57 | 
| greywhind | http://rafb.net/p/tySw5R47.html (19 lines) | 16:57 | 
| tpb | Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net) | 16:57 | 
| greywhind | most recent lines in cg-log | 16:57 | 
| greywhind | mithro: i believe so | 16:58 | 
| mithro | can you run them? | 16:58 | 
| greywhind | mithro: which one? | 16:58 | 
| mithro | the overall big one | 16:59 | 
| greywhind | mithro: it's running | 16:59 | 
| mithro | oh wait | 16:59 | 
| mithro | can you send me a copy of your requirements.py output? | 16:59 | 
| greywhind | mithro: sure | 16:59 | 
| greywhind | http://rafb.net/p/zoLXve51.html (39 lines) | 17:00 | 
| tpb | Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net) | 17:00 | 
| mithro | greywhind: can you try upgrading wxPython? | 17:01 | 
| greywhind | mithro: i'll see if i can | 17:02 | 
| mithro | 2.8.7 is out | 17:02 | 
| mithro | you want to check if the wxMiniFrame example steals focus in the same way the pop-ups do | 17:04 | 
| greywhind | mithro: doesn't seem like it does | 17:05 | 
| mithro | hrm... | 17:05 | 
| mithro | greywhind: what does "grep 'MiniFrame' ./extra/__init__.py" do? | 17:06 | 
| mithro | s/do/output | 17:06 | 
| greywhind | http://rafb.net/p/aTUGrB44.html (3 lines) | 17:07 | 
| tpb | Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net) | 17:07 | 
| mithro | greywhind: yet the pop-up is still stealing focus? | 17:08 | 
| greywhind | mithro: seems to be | 17:08 | 
| greywhind | mithro: is this the right wxPython package: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPython2.8-osx-unicode-2.8.7.1-universal-py2.5.dmg | 17:08 | 
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1ZSA> (at downloads.sourceforge.net) | 17:08 | 
| mithro | greywhind: yes | 17:09 | 
| mithro | greywhind: but in the demo the miniframe doesn't? | 17:09 | 
| greywhind | mithro: i don't think so | 17:09 | 
| mithro | what does "cg-status" output? | 17:10 | 
| greywhind | http://rafb.net/p/IiVjJJ11.html (10 lines) | 17:11 | 
| tpb | Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net) | 17:11 | 
| mithro | greywhind: all I can say is WTF is going on :/ | 17:12 | 
| mithro | I can't really test as I'm at work | 17:13 | 
| mithro | (and my mac is at home) | 17:13 | 
| greywhind | mithro: we'll see if the update helps | 17:13 | 
| mithro | greywhind: okay | 17:15 | 
| greywhind | mithro: yeah, it's fixed | 17:20 | 
| mithro | greywhind: woot! | 17:20 | 
| greywhind | mithro: looks like it's time to update the required version of wxPython | 17:21 | 
| mithro | greywhind: well - for mac anyway | 17:21 | 
| mithro | greywhind: I updated the wiki to point to the new version | 17:21 | 
| greywhind | mithro: cool | 17:21 | 
| greywhind | mithro: so how are the navigation buttons now? | 17:23 | 
| mithro | greywhind: I think they would work better either at the top of the system panel | 17:25 | 
| mithro | or on the starmap | 17:25 | 
| greywhind | mithro: i could easily move them to the top of the systems panel | 17:25 | 
| greywhind | mithro: woah. xrced looks much better now | 17:27 | 
| mithro | greywhind: it does? | 17:27 | 
| greywhind | mithro: yeah | 17:27 | 
| mithro | I think they had a summer of code student working on it | 17:27 | 
| greywhind | mithro: there are some problems, however... | 17:35 | 
| mithro | greywhind: shoot? | 17:35 | 
| greywhind | mithro: the arrows in the wxOrderedTreeCtrl don't work now | 17:35 | 
| mithro | greywhind: oh? | 17:36 | 
| greywhind | mithro: can't open or close pieces of the tree except by using the navigation buttons | 17:36 | 
| mithro | still appears to work on Linux | 17:37 | 
| mithro | greywhind: is this just in the xrced or in the client? | 17:43 | 
| greywhind | mithro; the client | 17:44 | 
| mithro | greywhind: dang, will have to look at this later | 17:44 | 
| mithro | greywhind: do you want to update requirements.py so it checks for the latest wxPython on Mac and issues a warning otherwise? | 18:12 | 
| greywhind | mithro: sure | 18:13 | 
| mithro | greywhind: so you are currently finishing off the next/previous buttons? | 18:19 | 
| mithro | you going to add keyboard shortcuts too? | 18:19 | 
| mithro | * [, next object in system | 18:20 | 
| mithro | * ], previous object in system | 18:20 | 
| mithro | * {, next top level object in universe | 18:20 | 
| mithro | * }, previous top level object in universe | 18:20 | 
| mithro | I think they are probably a good choice | 18:20 | 
| mithro | nash: so is the RFTS basic game not playable? or just too boring? | 18:20 | 
| greywhind | mithro: how do i add keyboard shortcuts? | 18:21 | 
| mithro | see the statetracker for the order shortcuts | 18:21 | 
| greywhind | mithro: ok | 18:21 | 
| mithro | nash: btw you get my email? | 18:30 | 
| nash | mithro: Got the email | 18:40 | 
| mithro | nash: cool | 18:41 | 
| nash | RFTS original is an okay game, but it is veryu dated | 18:41 | 
| nash | With autohost + (a few registered copies of) stars! | 18:41 | 
| nash | I cna play a much better game | 18:41 | 
| nash | RFTS advanced at least had a few different strategies to it. Basic = build as many transports as you can | 18:42 | 
| nash | The rest takes care of itself when you have buckets of RPs | 18:42 | 
| mithro | nash: so it's not such a client issue? It's a server issue? | 18:53 | 
| mithro | (IE A lack of decent rulesets) | 18:54 | 
| mithro | or is it a "we don't have a decent ruleset, so we can't find problems in the client?" | 18:54 | 
| mithro | nash: I'm just trying to figure out where my time is best spent - would me spending the next month on TIMTrader or MTSec in tpserver-py be better then me spending that time on improving the client? | 18:56 | 
| nash | Well I haven't played with the latest client, but everytime I have a struggle to install it | 18:58 | 
| nash | So that is one issue. A one click install for windows is necessary | 18:58 | 
| mithro | nash: what are you running locally? debian unstable | 18:59 | 
| mithro | http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=132078&use_mirror=osdn&filename=tpclient-pywx-0.3.0-setup.exe&17193173 | 18:59 | 
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1ZRp> (at sourceforge.net) | 18:59 | 
| mithro | One click install :) | 18:59 | 
| nash | For the yes | 18:59 | 
| nash | mithro: That includes python as well? | 18:59 | 
| mithro | nash: that is a self contained binary | 18:59 | 
| nash | cool | 19:00 | 
| mithro | you just run the installer and get an icon in your startmenu/desktop like any other program | 19:00 | 
| nash | Then get the rulesets goinf | 19:00 | 
| mithro | nash: http://packages.thousandparsec.net/debian/unstable/ | 19:00 | 
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1ZT3> (at packages.thousandparsec.net) | 19:00 | 
| nash | Get tp's strength up | 19:00 | 
| mithro | we almost have deb packaging sorted | 19:00 | 
| nash | Good | 19:01 | 
| mithro | we have "almost" single click install on Mac (you just drag the executable into your applications folder and then double click - which is pretty normal for mac) | 19:01 | 
| nash | mithro: That's about 4 clicks less then most mac apps | 19:01 | 
| mithro | there is still a few bugs in the mac version, but now I have access to a mac - I'm going to spend a few hours helping greywhind iron them out | 19:02 | 
| nash | Cool | 19:03 | 
| nash | Then rules rules rules! | 19:03 | 
| mithro | which probably means a 0.3.1 release soon | 19:03 | 
| mithro | I *will* announce the release tonight | 19:03 | 
| mithro | I was planning to do it on the weekend - but setting up various things took most of it :/ | 19:03 | 
| nash | Don't worry, releases don't matter when you have things like packages up | 19:04 | 
| mithro | nash: those packages are built from releases | 19:04 | 
| nash | I'm going to slag you out a bit in response to your message, so take it constructive ;-) | 19:04 | 
| nash | mithro: When will they be autobuilt? | 19:04 | 
| mithro | nash: hopefully in the nearish future | 19:05 | 
| mithro | once we have the repository properly set up | 19:05 | 
| mithro | then we can also have a "nightly" repository as well as a "main" one | 19:05 | 
| nash | Surely it can just be a tpclient-nightly package or something? | 19:06 | 
| mithro | I think our repository will also include wxWidgets on the debian side until that filters down into unstable | 19:06 | 
| nash | yep | 19:06 | 
| nash | It needs to include everything | 19:06 | 
| mithro | so you just add one sources line | 19:06 | 
| mithro | and you can do a "apt-get install tpclient-pywx" | 19:06 | 
| mithro | nash: I did write the email at midnight last night - so don't be too horrible | 19:06 | 
| nash | I'm not going to pick on grammar or anything, but the questions you raise are relevant, and I'm going to suggest a few move to mailing list - there are a few separate discussions on there | 19:08 | 
| mithro | nash: sure | 19:08 | 
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| mithro | woot! down to 8 un-delt-with emails in my inbox | 20:14 | 
| mithro | hey bddebian | 20:14 | 
| mithro | how goes the repository? | 20:14 | 
| bddebian | It doesn't. Do you really want to use reprepro? It is MUCH more involved. | 20:17 | 
| mithro | bddebian: I guess not, but we don't really have a choice do we? | 20:19 | 
| bddebian | Not if you really want that structure I guess. Personally I would just create thousandparsec.net/ubuntu/stable and ../ubuntu/development or something but I'm lazy :-) | 20:20 | 
| mithro | bddebian: hrm? | 20:21 | 
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| bddebian | mithro: I'm saying if you want that "ubuntu hardy main" functionality we have to use something other than apt-ftparchive. | 20:23 | 
| mithro | bddebian: dang :/ | 20:24 | 
| bddebian | I would personally use apt-ftparchive and just create seperate dirs for stable vs. nightly or whatever you want to call them | 20:24 | 
| mithro | bddebian: eventually I think we will have about 15 packages in the repository? will apt-ftparchieve scale to that? | 20:25 | 
| bddebian | 15 packages? | 20:27 | 
| mithro | bddebian: tpclient-pywx, galaxie, parsek, supporting libraries ~4-5, tpsai-py, tpserver-cpp, tpserver-py, starmapper and media packages | 20:28 | 
| bddebian | Sheesh :) | 20:29 | 
| bddebian | I don't think the number of packages is an issue just any complex structures. | 20:29 | 
| mithro | bddebian: well - I would be happy with "lets just use a symlink" option :P | 20:30 | 
| bddebian | Actually I think apt-ftparchive is capable of doing it, just that no one seems to use it that way | 20:31 | 
| bddebian | reprepro isn't bad just a lot more overhead | 20:33 | 
| bddebian | Are the nightly builds going to be done on that same machine? | 20:34 | 
| mithro | bddebian: probably | 20:34 | 
| mithro | does that make a difference? | 20:38 | 
| bddebian | I'm not sure. If you went with reprepro, I think they have to be ftp'd or dput/duploaded | 20:38 | 
| mithro | being able to build them on another machine would be useful | 20:39 | 
| mithro | a local ftp wouldn't be too much of a problem? | 20:41 | 
| bddebian | I don't think so, though I don't know a great deal about reprepro | 20:44 | 
| mithro | bddebian: I think I'm going to move packages to it's own virtual host so that I can have a different index.html with setup instructions | 20:50 | 
| mithro | bddebian: done | 20:57 | 
| mithro | the symlinks in your home directory should still be correct | 20:58 | 
| mithro | going to lunch | 20:58 | 
| mithro | bblr | 20:58 | 
| bddebian | You haven't told me what you want to do yet? :-) | 21:01 | 
| mithro | bddebian: back | 22:00 | 
| mithro | bddebian: well, this -> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 doesn't look to hard | 22:07 | 
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/_Ha> (at www.debian-administration.org) | 22:07 | 
| mithro | I think the reprepro is probably what we want - specially since is has the ability to incorperate another repository (ie the wxWidgets one) | 22:13 | 
| bddebian | Looks like overkill to me :) | 22:18 | 
| mithro | bddebian: it can't be that bad :P | 22:19 | 
| mithro | bddebian: any luck? | 22:25 | 
| bddebian | Do I have permissions to install reprepro on that box? Or did you already install it? | 22:32 | 
| mithro | I can install it | 22:33 | 
| mithro | is version 1.3.1 okay? | 22:33 | 
| mithro | or do you want 3.0.x? | 22:34 | 
| bddebian | What distro is that machine running? | 22:36 | 
| mithro | etch | 22:36 | 
| mithro | 1.3.1 is looking pretty ancient | 22:37 | 
| mithro | Should I install 3.0.x? | 22:37 | 
| mithro | 1.3.0 2006-10-11 :/ | 22:37 | 
| bddebian | Sure | 22:38 | 
| mithro | installed | 22:40 | 
| bddebian | I hate to ask but would you mind installing nano? | 22:53 | 
| mithro | sure! | 22:54 | 
| mithro | asking for emacs might be fighting works however ;) | 22:54 | 
| nash | ... as all real debian developers should be using sed < /dev/random > /file/to/edit | 22:56 | 
| bddebian | Not gonna happen :-) | 22:56 | 
| bddebian | heh | 22:56 | 
| *** xdotx has joined #tp | 23:13 | |
| mithro | xdotx: woot! | 23:14 | 
| mithro | :) | 23:14 | 
| xdotx | mithro: hey :) | 23:14 | 
| mithro | xdotx: I'm assuming you got my email :P | 23:15 | 
| * xdotx nods | 23:15 | |
| nash | xdotx... I've seen that name before somewhere... | 23:15 | 
| * nash tries to remember | 23:15 | |
| xdotx | nash: www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/TP_RFTS :P | 23:16 | 
| nash | Ahh yes... | 23:17 | 
| nash | So according to my notes you said "nash: Yeah, I'll be doing the Advanced rules for RFTS in the next few weeks"? | 23:17 | 
| xdotx | nash: those notes better be notified ;p | 23:18 | 
| nash | So is it Done yet? Or is this like RFTNukemStarsForever | 23:18 | 
| nash | xdotx: I would never forge notes on such an important topic... | 23:18 | 
| nash | Make up yes, but forge.. never | 23:18 | 
| xdotx | heheh | 23:19 | 
| bddebian | mithro: OK, try adding deb http://packages.thousandparsec.net/ubuntu hardy universe | 23:20 | 
| tpb | Title: Index of /ubuntu (at packages.thousandparsec.net) | 23:20 | 
| xdotx | nash: negative. i've been real busy workin' on my game for school | 23:20 | 
| * nash waits for the 'but' ;-) | 23:21 | |
| bddebian | heh | 23:21 | 
| xdotx | heh, but with any luck i'll be able to get some work in this semester :) | 23:22 | 
| nash | xdotx: Thats what I want to hear ;-) | 23:23 | 
| mithro | bddebian: removing python-tp-netlib didn't remove python-tp-clientlib | 23:25 | 
| bddebian | Right because the debs are the other way around aren't they? I.E. removing clientlib should remove netlib. Or am I backwards? | 23:25 | 
| bddebian | Oh, no you are rght | 23:26 | 
| mithro | bddebian: seems to install and run fine | 23:28 | 
| bddebian | That sources.list entry actually worked? | 23:28 | 
| mithro | yeah | 23:28 | 
| mithro | I'm about to head into a meeting | 23:28 | 
| bddebian | OK, later, I'm going to have to head to bed soon anyway | 23:29 | 
| mithro | bddebian: yeah, that works - yay! | 23:32 | 
| bddebian | mithro: Cool, well there should be a ...ubuntu hardy development too but it's empty atm | 23:34 | 
| mithro | bddebian: well if you could email me how to upload deb packages | 23:34 | 
| mithro | I'll figure out how to upload nightly builds | 23:34 | 
| bddebian | OK | 23:39 | 
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