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| mithro | howdy people | 00:25 |
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| greywhind | hi mithro | 00:27 |
| mithro | greywhind: so how goes your python learning? | 00:56 |
| greywhind | still working on it | 00:57 |
| mithro | how are you finding it? | 00:57 |
| greywhind | it seems pretty well designed | 00:57 |
| greywhind | although I would expect some of its features to cause a bit of a slower processing time | 00:58 |
| mithro | it has it's warts, but overall it's pretty nice | 00:58 |
| mithro | greywhind: like? | 00:58 |
| greywhind | well, the fact that it's an interpreted language, the fact that it dynamically determines variable types, and garbage collection | 00:58 |
| mithro | it can be JIT compiled like Java :) | 00:59 |
| mithro | see python-pysco | 00:59 |
| nash | greywhind: Actually the performance costs of those are much less then you think | 01:00 |
| greywhind | really? that's good | 01:00 |
| nash | The general higher level of abstraction and the fact you are running in a VM is more of hte cost | 01:01 |
| greywhind | that's true | 01:01 |
| nash | And last time I looked python had it's nice programming features and still kicked the arse out of java for performance... plus was actually portable ;-) | 01:02 |
| * nash is still a C person however | 01:02 | |
| greywhind | yeah - i like C++, personally. | 01:03 |
| nash | Well if you ever learn all of it... let me know ;-) | 01:04 |
| greywhind | heh... all of Python, or C++? | 01:04 |
| greywhind | i doubt i'll ever learn "all" of either | 01:05 |
| nash | C++ | 01:05 |
| nash | Python core is easy | 01:05 |
| nash | The subtleties can take a while | 01:06 |
| nash | C++ even just the syntax is head enough | 01:07 |
| greywhind | well, time to finish my Java assignment for tomorrow | 01:25 |
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| JLP | ahoy people | 05:42 |
| llnz | hi JLP | 05:43 |
| JLP | llnz: how's it going | 05:44 |
| llnz | not bad, you? | 05:44 |
| JLP | well still hot around here, so I took a day of from the summer school | 05:44 |
| JLP | now i'm writing the Getting Started page for Development for TP | 05:46 |
| llnz | cool | 05:46 |
| mithro | DystopicFro: have a look at http://planet-soc.com/blog/259 | 05:48 |
| tpb | Title: genericsoma's blog | Planet SoC (at planet-soc.com) | 05:48 |
| mithro | might be of interest to you | 05:48 |
| JLP | I've written the first version of Getting started with development page | 06:37 |
| JLP | http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Getting_started_with_development | 06:37 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/kRn> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 06:37 |
| JLP | I hope it is OK and that I didn't foget something | 06:37 |
| * llnz reads | 06:39 | |
| llnz | JLP: looks like a good start | 06:41 |
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| llnz | later all | 06:50 |
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| niphree | hello | 07:31 |
| JLP | niphree: ahoy | 07:33 |
| JLP | niphree: how's it going | 07:34 |
| niphree | JLP: good - I'm packing all my stuff now :D (going home ;) ) | 07:34 |
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| jotham | every time i reboot this machine i lose all the channels i was in | 08:23 |
| mithro | i'm back now | 08:52 |
| mithro | JLP: looks like a good start | 08:56 |
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| mithro | greywhind: http://bash.org/?780063 | 09:07 |
| tpb | mithro: <DusK> python is pretty easy to learn // <DusK> you write pseudocode, and you indent it correctly :) | 09:07 |
| mithro | :P | 09:07 |
| jotham | i think you guys changing version control 100 times and hating the idea of using a validator put me off a bit | 09:08 |
| jotham | that and me not being able to make any decent looking spaceships | 09:08 |
| jotham | i have like 12 or so | 09:08 |
| jotham | but they all suck | 09:08 |
| jotham | very furstraiting | 09:08 |
| mithro | jotham: we changed once :P | 09:08 |
| mithro | jotham: well, I like the idea of a validator | 09:09 |
| mithro | just not an extra dependency :/ | 09:09 |
| jotham | anyway i wrote it and submitted it | 09:09 |
| mithro | submitted? | 09:09 |
| * mithro pokes Epyon a few times | 09:09 | |
| jotham | ages ago | 09:09 |
| jotham | did you watch linuses google tech talk | 09:10 |
| jotham | won't need the OcempGUI dependancy soon anyway | 09:10 |
| jotham | last few weeks i've been writing my own event/widget system | 09:10 |
| jotham | in whatever pythonish sparetime i've had | 09:10 |
| jotham | how are your summer of coders going | 09:11 |
| mithro | jotham: no I didn't end up watching Linus's talk | 09:11 |
| mithro | DystopicFro: is doing really well | 09:11 |
| jotham | what is he working on | 09:11 |
| mithro | jotham: the ruleset development enviroment | 09:11 |
| mithro | http://dystopicfro.blogspot.com/ | 09:11 |
| tpb | Title: FroSpace - Now in 2D! (at dystopicfro.blogspot.com) | 09:12 |
| mithro | DystopicFro: you should put up some new screenshots! | 09:12 |
| mithro | jotham: xdotx is doing pretty well with the RFTS ruleset too | 09:13 |
| jotham | cool | 09:13 |
| jotham | ok bed, i am seriously fatigued | 09:14 |
| jotham | i think i'm going to throw away everything i've written thus far | 09:14 |
| jotham | i mean, as far as you guys are concerned | 09:14 |
| jotham | once the widget system is working | 09:14 |
| jotham | and i still need to catch Epyon | 09:14 |
| mithro | jotham: well the XML stuff should still work? | 09:15 |
| jotham | sure | 09:15 |
| jotham | i don't mean throw away as in rewrite | 09:15 |
| jotham | just throw away as in a few major changes | 09:15 |
| jotham | so i can get rid of ocempgui | 09:15 |
| mithro | a preview of the expression editor -> http://www1.pacific.edu/~j-gardn1/tp/arena_proccess_var.png | 09:15 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/kU3> (at www1.pacific.edu) | 09:15 |
| jotham | this is really my first actual guish pygame app | 09:15 |
| jotham | and since it's so antiquated,a nd you have to do everything yourself | 09:15 |
| jotham | it's been a bit of a learnign curve | 09:16 |
| mithro | jotham: thats okay | 09:16 |
| jotham | anyway bed | 09:16 |
| mithro | if it's going to get you back into doing development :) | 09:16 |
| jotham | i was serious about my work place | 09:16 |
| jotham | i spent the last week or two interviewing people | 09:17 |
| jotham | i need 2 developers and can't find 1 | 09:17 |
| jotham | it's getting pretty worrying | 09:17 |
| mithro | jotham: that sucks :/ | 09:17 |
| jotham | major IT recruitment company here stated the city is short 1500 IT people at least | 09:17 |
| jotham | for a city of 180k, that's a fair few | 09:17 |
| mithro | jotham: yeah, even mediocre programmers and such are hard to find here | 09:18 |
| mithro | jotham: well have a good night | 09:18 |
| * mithro should probably head to bed too | 09:19 | |
| mithro | niphree_brb: has been working on the metaserver quite a bit | 09:20 |
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