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| llnz | wb xdotx | 01:38 |
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| xdotx | danke | 01:39 |
| llnz | xdotx: how is it going? | 01:52 |
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| xdotx | llnz: alright, you? | 01:53 |
| llnz | fine thanks | 01:53 |
| llnz | bbs, dinner | 02:11 |
| llnz | back | 03:01 |
| xdotx | hmm. does tp support wrapping maps? | 03:55 |
| llnz | not really | 03:58 |
| llnz | you could define your universe on the surface of a sphere i guess | 03:58 |
| xdotx | interesting.. that type of thing is supported? | 04:00 |
| llnz | not really | 04:00 |
| llnz | it would make programming move orders "interesting" | 04:00 |
| xdotx | definitely | 04:01 |
| JLP | ahoy all | 05:22 |
| llnz | hi JLP | 05:23 |
| JLP | xdotx: i see that you are adding info about the ruleset to the wiki, nice | 06:11 |
| JLP | llnz, mithro: regarding rulesets, is there any plan to add support for sending ruleset instruction for TP protocol 4 | 06:13 |
| llnz | ruleset instructions? | 06:14 |
| JLP | yeah, for example a user opens a client, opens the list of servers and he sees all the different rulesets that are available on each server | 06:15 |
| JLP | i guess a user would like to be able to clikk on a button or someting that would show him the rules of the game | 06:15 |
| llnz | JLP: something like "remote game admin"? | 06:15 |
| JLP | the same information could later be accessible from menu Help -> Rules or something like that | 06:17 |
| JLP | llnz: no i didn't mean remote administration, just the manual/instructions downloading for all the different rulesets | 06:19 |
| llnz | oh | 06:21 |
| JLP | the minimal information could just be the name of ruleset, short description, maybe story behind it and the link to all the manual for the ruleset that would be maintained in the server or on the web somewhere | 06:21 |
| JLP | the client can then open an external browser to the web page with instruction or maybe provide a simple built-in browser | 06:21 |
| llnz | there are no plans to add anything like that | 06:22 |
| xdotx | i could see something like that. also possibly a brief list of some of the common properties/differences | 06:22 |
| JLP | llnz: so is it worth thinking about adding this to TP04, or will it have to wait for future TP protocol | 06:24 |
| llnz | i think that it is a possibility | 06:25 |
| llnz | write a suggestion to the email list | 06:25 |
| JLP | well in any case, i'll add this idea to Wiki | 06:25 |
| JLP | yeah and i'll write about it to the mailing list | 06:25 |
| llnz | cool | 06:27 |
| JLP | wrote a quick intro to Protocol - http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Protocol | 06:45 |
| tpb | Title: Protocol - Thousand Parsec Wiki (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 06:45 |
| llnz | cool | 06:46 |
| xdotx | past bed time. seeya guys | 06:58 |
| llnz | cya xdotx | 06:58 |
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| JLP | I've also added a start page about TP04 to wiki - http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/TP04 | 07:40 |
| tpb | Title: TP04 - Thousand Parsec Wiki (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 07:40 |
| llnz | cool, i'll add some urls to the page | 07:41 |
| JLP | ok, there is probably some more info in the tp-devel that could be added | 07:41 |
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| llnz | later all | 07:54 |
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| sijmen | hey all :) | 08:58 |
| sijmen | I just read that wiki page about TP4, now I'm wondering: would having server information served as html impose a security risk? like phising | 09:01 |
| JLP | sijmen: ahoy, welcome back | 09:04 |
| sijmen | yeah, on and off ;) | 09:05 |
| mithro | pong? | 09:06 |
| mithro | niphree_afk: ping? | 09:07 |
| JLP | sijmen: nice catch about security | 09:19 |
| JLP | sijmen: and i have no idea what could be done about it | 09:20 |
| sijmen | uhhmm.. I can see two options; 1. on the place where the internal browser would be, show the url and a 'display' button, or 2. use RTF or something like that | 09:21 |
| sijmen | or just leave it :P | 09:23 |
| JLP | yeah maybe the manual markup should be realy basic, so that client could only accept these basic thing and ignore anything other and so that it would be relatively simple to create integrated viewer for this documentation | 09:26 |
| sijmen | many UI toolkits come with an RTF viewer right? | 09:31 |
| sijmen | at least .NET and Cocoa do, the two I'm most familiar with :P | 09:31 |
| mithro | RTF is an evil format | 09:34 |
| sijmen | okay. whyy? | 09:38 |
| sijmen | -y | 09:38 |
| mithro | it doesn't have a well defined standard | 09:41 |
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| sijmen | okay, that sounds bad :) | 09:42 |
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| JLP | hm 300 pages of RTF standard, and I couldn't see any licensing info | 09:46 |
| mithro | the standard came after the implimentations | 09:48 |
| JLP | remonds more more of the ooxml, badly written, unclear, no reuse of existing iso standards, questionable licensing | 09:50 |
| sijmen | is that what OpenOffice uses? | 09:52 |
| JLP | OpenOffice.org uses ODF - OpenDocument Format - ISO/IEC 26300 | 09:52 |
| sijmen | is ooxml is the Microsoft thing then? | 09:54 |
| JLP | OOXML is Office "Open" XML, which Microsoft is trying to push alone, and is some kind of reaction to ODF, they just have to reinvent the wheel nd make it worse | 09:55 |
| JLP | try to implement this : http://blog.janik.cz//images/OOXMLSpec.png | 09:57 |
| JLP | it's also interesting to read comments that canadian standards organisation is collecting about OOXML: | 10:03 |
| JLP | https://forums.scc.ca/forums/scc/dispatch.cgi/public/docProfile/100009/6415621 | 10:03 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/atW> (at forums.scc.ca) | 10:03 |
| sijmen | now that's a pile | 10:03 |
| JLP | yeah a pile of badly written specificaion which only purpose is to trick standards organisations into thinking it is an open standard and by standardising it locking users into this format and by extension into MS Office | 10:05 |
| daxxar | Many attributes throughout the Ecma 376 spec take values in "English Metric Units" (EMU). For example, attributes of type ST_PositiveCoordinate (5.1.12.42, page 4505) are measured in EMUs. This is not a known unit in existing literature. It is only defined inside a paragraph in section 5.9.2.1 page 655, so that "91440 EMUs/U.S. inch, 36000 EMUs/cm". Similarly, (2.18.105, page 1836 ) specifies "twips"—twentieths of a point (1/1440th of an inch). | 11:15 |
| mithro | niphree_afk: ping? | 11:29 |
| sijmen | how's the SoC going on? | 12:00 |
| mithro | sijmen: way to quickly | 12:10 |
| sijmen | time or development going to quickly? :P | 12:11 |
| mithro | sijmen: time | 12:20 |
| sijmen | aye, too bad | 12:21 |
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| mithro | niphree_afk: ping? | 13:11 |
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| mithro | niphree_afk: ping? | 14:04 |
| sijmen | 3 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss | 14:14 |
| mithro | sijmen: sadly yes :/ | 14:15 |
| Epyon | who uses a 3 packet ping? o.O | 14:19 |
| sijmen | mithro :p | 14:19 |
| mithro | :P | 14:19 |
| mithro | hey Epyon | 14:23 |
| mithro | how is your project going? | 14:24 |
| Epyon | Don't ask -_- | 14:24 |
| Epyon | I just started :/ | 14:24 |
| mithro | Epyon: did you get anywhere with your name generators? | 14:24 |
| Epyon | I decided to enroll for PhD studies, and learned that the exam is in less than two weeks o.O | 14:24 |
| Epyon | mithro, I'd do that but I don't know TP's internals. If I'd just supply a set of python functions, would you integrate them for me? | 14:25 |
| mithro | Epyon: just make a program which you give it a seed and it outputs X number of names to stdout | 14:26 |
| Epyon | kk, I'll do that when I get some free time :/ | 14:27 |
| mithro | that will intergrate with most things | 14:27 |
| mithro | Epyon: no hurry | 14:33 |
| mithro | brb | 14:53 |
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| sijmen | oh cool name generator coming.. TP keeps getting better | 16:11 |
| Epyon | o.O | 16:11 |
| mithro | oh? | 16:14 |
| sijmen | that chat above is about name generators isn't it :o | 16:17 |
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| JLP | niphree: hi, i've just seen your introduction mail and your blog | 17:41 |
| JLP | niphree: dont forget to also add the bog to http://planet-soc.com/ | 17:42 |
| tpb | Title: Planet SoC (at planet-soc.com) | 17:42 |
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