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| clayasaurus | so.. now we just patiently wait... | 02:05 |
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| * clayasaurus waits | 02:05 | |
| * clayasaurus looks around | 02:07 | |
| * clayasaurus waits | 02:07 | |
| * nash taps feet and hums 'greensleaves' | 02:15 | |
| nash | clayasaurus: We'll let you know as soon as we do | 02:26 |
| clayasaurus | april 11th? | 02:26 |
| clayasaurus | alright, nash, thanks | 02:26 |
| nash | clayasaurus: I have NFI ;-) | 02:29 |
| * nash is looking on google website now - I want to know... | 02:30 | |
| nash | As far as I know... hte next thing is we wait until the 11th... | 02:57 |
| nash | We have already pretty much ranked all the applicants at our end | 02:58 |
| dmpayton | Man, April 11th is too far away. | 02:58 |
| nash | agreed | 03:01 |
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| nash | It's relatively quiet here now... | 04:32 |
| * nash pokes mithro | 04:33 | |
| mithro | nash: pong | 04:41 |
| nash | You do know pigeon... pigeon on handhelds.org and you've met at LCA Syd & Canberra | 04:42 |
| mithro | nash: i think I have | 05:01 |
| mithro | i was probably the guy with the C700 Zaurus :P | 05:02 |
| nash | Yep | 05:08 |
| mithro | actually, i remeber him quite clearly now :P | 05:09 |
| mithro | small world :P | 05:09 |
| nash | It often is | 05:10 |
| dmpayton | Oof. | 05:16 |
| cherez | oof? | 05:17 |
| dmpayton | cherez: Like a grunt. I'm feeling a bit under the weather tonight. Just felt the need to bitch about it. :) | 05:18 |
| cherez | ahh, alright | 05:19 |
| nash | mithro: You see if you can get TP added to scan.coverity.com | 05:28 |
| nash | See http://scan.coverity.com/faq.html#newprojects | 05:28 |
| tpb | Title: :: scan.coverity.com : Accelerating Open Source Quality :: (at scan.coverity.com) | 05:28 |
| * nash also notes if cherez or someone else is bored.. .they could try | 05:28 | |
| mithro | nash: you mean, I think you should see if you can get TP added to scan.coverity.com ? | 05:29 |
| daxxar | Good morning, beautiful strangers! :-) | 05:29 |
| nash | Ahh... daxxar... Busy? | 05:30 |
| daxxar | Me? Well, slightly. Going to eat a bit of bread, then leave in ~30 minutes for a lecture. | 05:30 |
| daxxar | Any reason in particular you're asking? | 05:30 |
| nash | So in your other 20 minutes... Want to see if you can get TP listed as a coverity project to automatically look for bugs? | 05:31 |
| nash | Link is a few lines up... | 05:31 |
| daxxar | I'll look at it. :-) | 05:32 |
| nash | Sweet ;-) | 05:32 |
| daxxar | Are all the projects on the darcs licensed under GPL? | 05:34 |
| daxxar | (or at least some form of OSI compliant license) | 05:34 |
| nash | daxxar: I believe so - GPL or LGPL - mithro: correct? | 05:35 |
| mithro | yeah | 05:35 |
| * nash isn't sure how the hell this helps 'national security', but there is nothing in the rules about that... | 05:36 | |
| daxxar | :-p | 05:36 |
| nash | Probably does a better a job then sparse | 05:39 |
| daxxar | Who're considered the 'admins' of this project? | 05:40 |
| nash | mithro is normally #1 victim for such things.. but you can list me, or if you are willing to do it, even yourself | 05:41 |
| * mithro only codes because nobody else will do it for me :P | 05:42 | |
| cherez | what exactly is that site? | 05:42 |
| nash | That's because no-one else wants to touch python and darcs... | 05:42 |
| daxxar | Well, one of you hand me your emails, so I have somewhere to send relevant communication. :-) | 05:42 |
| nash | Coverity is a company that does static analysis of code | 05:42 |
| daxxar | s/emails/email/ | 05:43 |
| nash | daxxar: [email protected] | 05:43 |
| cherez | I'm happy with Python and I'm... getting used to darcs | 05:43 |
| cherez | if I wasn't dragging my mother into alcohol rehab I'd be submitting at least a few patches for TP | 05:44 |
| nash | The pain tends to go with time | 05:45 |
| cherez | still have to learn some things I could do with svn | 05:46 |
| cherez | like generating patch files | 05:46 |
| jotham | heh i'm still in the 'gatting used to darcs' phase :p | 05:46 |
| jotham | *getting | 05:46 |
| nash | Could be worse... could be arch | 05:47 |
| jotham | could be scp'ing tar's around | 05:47 |
| nash | Else we could download the .cpp or .py from mithro's website, and mail them back | 05:47 |
| jotham | haha | 05:47 |
| * nash notes he has done both | 05:48 | |
| dmpayton | http://eclipsedarcs.org :) | 05:48 |
| daxxar | Oh, the horrors. | 05:48 |
| * daxxar consoles nash | 05:48 | |
| tpb | Title: eclipsedarcs [eclipsedarcs] (at eclipsedarcs.org) | 05:48 |
| nash | daxxar: It's okay, I use git for _almost_ everything now, and it's all good | 05:48 |
| nash | dmpayton: Is there one for vim? | 05:49 |
| dmpayton | http://robotics.eecs.berkeley.edu/~srinath/darcs/index.php | 05:49 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/Lp7> (at robotics.eecs.berkeley.edu) | 05:49 |
| nash | dmpayton++ | 05:49 |
| * nash shoudl probably get a vim mode for git too... | 05:50 | |
| * nash looks towards dmpayton... | 05:50 | |
| * dmpayton looks back at nash... | 05:50 | |
| dmpayton | http://blog.madism.org/index.php/2006/10/17/109-vim-mode-for-git-commits | 05:51 |
| dmpayton | That what you're looking for? | 05:51 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/Lp$> (at blog.madism.org) | 05:51 |
| daxxar | nash: You've Got Mail. (Unless you're grey-listing - then; You Should Get Mail) | 05:51 |
| nash | dmpayton: Saw that one... didn't notice it did the split | 05:52 |
| * nash gives it a try | 05:52 | |
| daxxar | nash, mithro: Check out http://scan.coverity.com/devfaq.html#getincluded | 05:52 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/Lp-> (at scan.coverity.com) | 05:52 |
| dmpayton | nash: Ever heard of this website called google.com? it's really cool -- it allows you to search the net for text strings such as "eclipse darcs", "vim darcs", or "git vim mode" :D | 05:53 |
| dmpayton | </smartass> | 05:53 |
| daxxar | dmpayton: If you're going to be an ass, atleast use www.justfuckinggoogleit.com - That's what it's there for. ;-) | 05:53 |
| daxxar | (i.e. http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=how+to+be+a+smartass) | 05:54 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/LpA> (at www.justfuckinggoogleit.com) | 05:54 |
| nash | dmpayton: I just asked as the darcs one looked quite nice, and the ones for git didn't seem so cool ;-) | 05:54 |
| dmpayton | daxxar: Haha! I forgot about that site. :) | 05:54 |
| daxxar | Ah, morning coffee. Soon I'll be ready to head out on todays mighty adventures. | 05:55 |
| nash | Got the mail... awesome ;-) | 05:56 |
| daxxar | Now I guess we just sit back and twiddle thumbs. ;) | 05:56 |
| mithro | daxxar: well, do you want to send a message and get us on rank 0? | 05:56 |
| daxxar | mithro: I already did, nash got a CC | 05:57 |
| mithro | ahh cool | 05:57 |
| daxxar | mithro: Want me to send you a copy? Hand over you email. :-) | 05:57 |
| nash | Rank 0 is fine... it's not like this is going to root anyones network at the moment | 05:57 |
| daxxar | As I understand it we'll get Rank 1 as soon as we register as project maintainers. | 05:58 |
| daxxar | The problem with having multiple emails is knowing which one to use. | 05:58 |
| daxxar | I have [email protected] - mostly stuff where people aren't familiar with my real name, and no real reason to 'seem professional' | 05:58 |
| daxxar | jorgen@... - which I used now, generally speaking mostly job/business-related stuff | 05:59 |
| daxxar | And then there's two school email addresses, and a [email protected] :-P | 05:59 |
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| nash | Some minor blessing for us... i bet Vim didn't get a lot of applications: http://www.vim.org/soc/ideas.php | 06:03 |
| tpb | Title: Google Summer of Code - Vim ideas : vim online (at www.vim.org) | 06:03 |
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| nash | So does anyone want to play around with my AI for a few days - see if you can break it in game or anything? | 07:18 |
| mithro | nash: so what are we going to do about your AI :P | 07:31 |
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| nash | mithro: What do you want to do about it? | 07:32 |
| nash | I'm happy to host it | 07:32 |
| nash | Since the dependancy list is a little bit of a pain at the moment | 07:32 |
| mithro | well, it's just very annoying to have 3 SCM's for Thousand Parsec | 07:34 |
| nash | 3? | 07:34 |
| mithro | we have darcs for the code, SVN for the media (and mirroring of the code) | 07:35 |
| nash | hmm... | 07:35 |
| mithro | would you be that adverse to switching to darcs? | 07:36 |
| jotham | everyone is =D | 07:36 |
| * nash wonders about the converse... | 07:36 | |
| mithro | hey jotham, how goes the battle viewer | 07:37 |
| nash | mithro: Okay - switch it to darcs | 07:37 |
| mithro | nash: us switching to git? | 07:37 |
| jotham | not good, have been working late this week | 07:37 |
| nash | ;-) | 07:37 |
| nash | Yes | 07:37 |
| * nash was (mostly) joking | 07:37 | |
| jotham | been working till 11pmish | 07:37 |
| nash | Hmm... Need to leave shortly | 07:37 |
| mithro | nash: personally, I wouldn't be to adverse to it, as long as I could commit bits of a file | 07:38 |
| nash | You do that? | 07:38 |
| nash | Isn't a pain to mark? | 07:38 |
| mithro | nash: I do it all the time, stops debugging prints and stuff getting into mainline | 07:38 |
| nash | Well there is darcs-git - which is supposed to fully functional | 07:42 |
| mithro | nash: but that is using darcs as a frontend to git | 07:42 |
| nash | Problem with darcs - no multiple-branches in same tree | 07:42 |
| jotham | yeah that sucks | 07:43 |
| nash | Yes, it's the frontend that makes the changeset which is applied | 07:43 |
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| nash | The partial file commit is an interface, not a RCS issue | 07:43 |
| mithro | nash: hrm? | 07:43 |
| mithro | nash: yeah, true | 07:43 |
| mithro | nash: writing submission details for the AI comp now | 07:44 |
| nash | Cool | 07:44 |
| nash | So suddenly you support two scms instead of 1 ;-) | 07:44 |
| mithro | nash: ? | 07:45 |
| nash | git + darcs ;-) | 07:45 |
| nash | having said that git on windows is an issue :-( | 07:47 |
| mithro | :/ | 07:47 |
| mithro | darcs on windows is kind of an issue | 07:47 |
| nash | The best way to use git on windows is git-cvsserver | 07:47 |
| nash | Or mingw | 07:47 |
| nash | Since the latter is a PITA :-( | 07:47 |
| nash | Anyway I need to bail really soon | 07:48 |
| mithro | okay | 07:49 |
| nash | Does darcs on windows work okay? | 07:50 |
| jotham | i edit my files straight off a smb mount / drive mapping and use the linux darcs client | 07:50 |
| jotham | dos and all the windows shell prompt tools are horrible | 07:50 |
| jotham | bit of a shame though, TortoiseSVN has a really nice interface | 07:51 |
| llnz | i believe there is a tortoiseDarcs in the works | 07:51 |
| nash | http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ works with git-cvsserver BTW | 07:52 |
| tpb | Title: TortoiseCVS: About (at www.tortoisecvs.org) | 07:52 |
| nash | So it works nicely with git... | 07:52 |
| nash | Anyway - talk to you all later tonight | 07:52 |
| nash | mithro: We'll sort something out | 07:53 |
| mithro | okay | 07:53 |
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| * dmpayton just finished watching Guido talk about Py3k | 08:10 | |
| mithro | dmpayton: url? | 08:10 |
| mithro | worth watching? | 08:11 |
| dmpayton | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6459339159268485356& | 08:11 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/Lqk> (at video.google.com) | 08:11 |
| dmpayton | He goes over some of the philosophy and new features of Py3k | 08:11 |
| dmpayton | It's from last year, but I just stumbled upon it the other day. | 08:12 |
| dmpayton | I really like some of the things in store for Python | 08:12 |
| mithro | wow, Guido looks nothing like what I expected | 08:13 |
| dmpayton | He looks exactly like what I expected (I've seen his picture before), but he sounded nothing like what I expected | 08:13 |
| dmpayton | all-in-all, pretty interesting | 08:15 |
| daxxar | :-) | 08:27 |
| CIA-17 | [email protected] * web/ (comp.php only submissions.</li> which will run on): AI Competition submission details. | 08:38 |
| mithro | hey daxxar | 08:42 |
| mithro | you been playing lots of RFTS? | 08:42 |
| daxxar | Hi mithro. =) | 08:42 |
| daxxar | Reach for the stars? | 08:43 |
| mithro | yeah :P | 08:43 |
| daxxar | I don't think so. :-) | 08:43 |
| mithro | o wait, i'm confusing you with xdotx | 08:43 |
| mithro | bah :P | 08:43 |
| daxxar | :p | 08:44 |
| mithro | daxxar: you been polishing up your Ogre3d skills? | 08:44 |
| mithro | was it you who was having trouble compiling something? | 08:45 |
| daxxar | I haven't started on any Ogre3d code, no issues with compiling yet. | 08:45 |
| daxxar | Just toyed around looking at their samples and docs. :) | 08:46 |
| mithro | cool | 08:46 |
| mithro | managed to use darcs yet? | 08:46 |
| daxxar | Yeah, I've used it to pull some code for the various libs and clients | 08:49 |
| daxxar | But I haven't tested out commits and such | 08:49 |
| daxxar | I'm personally more experienced with SVN and a bit of CVS, never touched darcs before. :) | 08:50 |
| dmpayton | Same here. | 08:53 |
| xdotx | aye. is there much difference between darcs and svn or cvs? interface wise? | 08:56 |
| llnz | not a whole lot | 08:57 |
| llnz | cvs co -> darcs get | 08:58 |
| llnz | cvs update -> darcs pull | 08:58 |
| llnz | cvs commit -> darcs rec + darcs push | 08:58 |
| xdotx | rec == record and push == upload? | 08:58 |
| llnz | rec makes the patch, "push" uploads it to somewhere | 08:59 |
| llnz | you can also "send", which can be written to file and sent by email | 08:59 |
| llnz | and keeps all the metadate (who, when and what) | 09:00 |
| xdotx | ah, that's useful | 09:00 |
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| mithro | i'm writing a little tutorial now | 09:01 |
| * dmpayton will most likely end up using eclipsedarcs | 09:01 | |
| mithro | we ended up with 49 apps btw | 09:02 |
| nash | mithro: For darcs? | 09:02 |
| mithro | nash: yeah | 09:02 |
| nash | Reallly - should have payed more attention this morning ;-) | 09:02 |
| nash | bbl | 09:03 |
| mithro | ? | 09:03 |
| mithro | [18:11] <CIA-17> [email protected] * web/ (comp.php only submissions.</li> which will run on): AI Competition submission details. | 09:03 |
| llnz | mithro: yeah, i saw that | 09:04 |
| llnz | looks like it got confused by the html/xml in it | 09:04 |
| mithro | ? | 09:04 |
| llnz | darcs-cia | 09:05 |
| mithro | ahh | 09:05 |
| daxxar | mithro: Cool. Looking forward to it. :)' | 09:10 |
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| CIA-17 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * tpserver-cpp/ (6 files in 2 dirs): | 10:10 |
| CIA-17 | Work with current and future metaservers: | 10:10 |
| CIA-17 | Adds metaserver_params_version setting to set which version to use. The current | 10:10 |
| CIA-17 | metaserver uses version 3. tpserver-cpp supports version 3 and 4 (TP04). | 10:10 |
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| dmpayton | Need sleep. Gnight. | 10:18 |
| llnz | cya dmpayton | 10:19 |
| daxxar | Gnight dmpayton :) | 10:19 |
| sijmen | gbye | 10:22 |
| daxxar | :-) | 11:45 |
| JLP | ahoy people | 12:13 |
| llnz | hi JLP | 12:15 |
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| mithro | howdy | 12:38 |
| llnz | hi mithro | 12:39 |
| mithro | nash: ping? | 12:40 |
| nash | mithro: Yes? | 12:40 |
| * nash is about to go to bed however | 12:40 | |
| mithro | the submission details look okay? | 12:40 |
| nash | yeah | 12:40 |
| nash | Do I need to send you set up instructions? | 12:41 |
| mithro | nash: hrm? | 12:42 |
| nash | Packages and the like? You should already have them ;-) | 12:42 |
| nash | Hopefully I can submit tomorrow - means I can start working on a proper client | 12:43 |
| nash | And preparing for all the rulesets we will get. | 12:43 |
| nash | ;-) | 12:43 |
| mithro | To submit your entry, you must create a tar.gz or zip file of your AI. This archive must include the following things: | 12:43 |
| mithro | * An INSTALL file, this file must describe how to setup and install the AI. Include ALL dependencies which may be required and how to get them. It is HIGHLY recommended that you include the Debian/Ubuntu package names (and/or package repositories) in this file. | 12:43 |
| nash | Well I might ask you to paste them back to me ;-) | 12:44 |
| nash | I install from source all the time - so I never use the packages | 12:44 |
| nash | Problem with having my own tree for all of the e libs ;-) | 12:44 |
| mithro | well, nmp ;) | 12:45 |
| nash | :-P | 12:45 |
| nash | Anyway - I'm off to bed. | 12:45 |
| nash | night all | 12:45 |
| llnz | cya nash | 12:48 |
| CIA-17 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * tpserver-cpp/: (log message trimmed) | 13:01 |
| CIA-17 | Work with current and future metaservers: | 13:01 |
| CIA-17 | Adds metaserver_params_version setting to set which version to use. The current | 13:01 |
| CIA-17 | metaserver uses version 3. tpserver-cpp supports version 3 and 4 (TP04). | 13:01 |
| CIA-17 | ] | 13:01 |
| CIA-17 | [Fix not creating star system, etc for guest in Minisec | 13:01 |
| CIA-17 | Lee Begg <[email protected]>**20070326125453] | 13:01 |
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| llnz | later all | 13:21 |
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| daxxar | Cool - you posted the guide, mithro. Reading it now. :-) | 14:06 |
| prayas | hey guys | 14:06 |
| prayas | hi mithro | 14:06 |
| mithro | howdy | 14:06 |
| prayas | must be keeping busy :) | 14:07 |
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| daxxar | mithro: Nice guide. :-) | 14:17 |
| daxxar | Now I just need a cheat-sheet and I'm set ;D | 14:17 |
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| Epyon | damn ISP :( | 15:00 |
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| mithro | howdy brlcad :) | 15:11 |
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| brlcad | howdy mithro | 17:32 |
| JLP | brlcad: i think mithro is asleep now, 3 am at his place | 17:35 |
| * brlcad nods, just responding | 17:41 | |
| DystopicFro | ur | 17:50 |
| cherez | anyone care to explain what a formal report is? | 18:41 |
| Epyon | what is a formal report then? xD | 18:51 |
| cherez | I wish I knew... I just know I have to have an 8 page one written by monday | 19:58 |
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| cherez | how do you guys dispose of alcoholic family members? | 21:45 |
| jotham | leave home | 21:45 |
| jotham | i pretty much ignore my mother = | 21:45 |
| jotham | =) | 21:45 |
| jotham | left home at 15 because of her drinking | 21:46 |
| cherez | I would have if I had somewhere to go | 21:46 |
| jotham | i mean if she screws up i'll financially bail her out | 21:46 |
| jotham | but otherwise she can fuck off | 21:46 |
| Epyon | I don't dispose of them, I have nowhere to go xD | 21:46 |
| jotham | theres always somewhere to go, it just takes guts and a bit of a plan | 21:46 |
| cherez | where did you go? | 21:47 |
| jotham | i got accepted into an art school (only kinda school that would take me at the time :p ) and used the government student allowance i got to pay for accomodation | 21:47 |
| jotham | was pretty poor for a few years though, but it was worth it | 21:47 |
| cherez | oh, that is a good plan | 21:47 |
| cherez | I just have to find somewhere to stay until monday | 21:48 |
| Epyon | Wherever I would go the family's only alcoholic would be with me, staring out of the mirror :P | 21:48 |
| jotham | haha | 21:48 |
| cherez | lol | 21:48 |
| dmpayton | cherez: Ever thought about having an intervention? | 21:49 |
| cherez | hmm? | 21:49 |
| cherez | an intervention? | 21:51 |
| dmpayton | Basically, a meeting where you, her, and other important people in her life sit down and basically say "You need help. We're going to help you. Don't like it? GTFO." | 21:51 |
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| cherez | we tried that a few times, she really doesn't listen to anyone | 21:52 |
| dmpayton | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervention_(counseling) | 21:52 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/M3L> (at en.wikipedia.org) | 21:52 |
| cherez | one time my father (who left her because of her drinking), my half brother, and her boyfriend and I sat down and tried to explain it to her | 21:53 |
| dmpayton | cherez: How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? | 21:53 |
| cherez | 18 | 21:53 |
| cherez | no matter how softly we try to explain that she has a problem, she goes into a rage and denies it | 21:55 |
| cherez | I think I'm just going to leave tonight and leave a note telling her I won't come back until she has stopped drinking | 21:56 |
| cherez | it feels cruel, but I don't know if anything else will make a difference | 21:57 |
| dmpayton | cherez: Have you thought about looking for roommates and moving out? Your college should have dozens of listings. | 21:58 |
| jotham | thing is alcoholism is an addiction | 21:58 |
| cherez | I live in the dorms, but it's spring break right now | 21:59 |
| jotham | it takes an incredibly strong will to fight an addiction | 21:59 |
| jotham | you can't reason with her basically | 21:59 |
| cherez | I came home because I was hoping to get her to go into rehab, but she's showing no intention | 21:59 |
| dmpayton | cherez: Try contacting your local AA, i'm sure they could help you out. | 22:03 |
| cherez | she both denies she has a problem when people tell her she's being irrational after drinking, and insists she understands she has a problem and wants to get help | 22:03 |
| cherez | her father is paying for her to go into rehab, and she insisted 2 days ago she'd go today | 22:03 |
| cherez | yesterday she said Thursday, and now she says Friday | 22:03 |
| jotham | basically you guys have to take action | 22:04 |
| jotham | real action | 22:04 |
| jotham | either cut her off or strong arm her into rehab | 22:04 |
| jotham | no amount of talk will change anything | 22:04 |
| jotham | i've known quite a few substance abusers | 22:04 |
| dmpayton | cherez: Pack her bags for her. Schedule a cab to come pick her up. Schedule her check-in to rehab. Get the ball rolling if she's incapable of doing it herself | 22:04 |
| jotham | half of them are in denial, and half of them *really wish* they could do what they said | 22:04 |
| jotham | but ultimatly all of them get high or drunk and turn into assholes | 22:05 |
| cherez | she has a 7 year standing DUI also, and the police are still trying to get her to go to court for it | 22:05 |
| cherez | I could blackmail her with that | 22:05 |
| dmpayton | cherez: is there an active warrant out on that charge? | 22:05 |
| cherez | I don't know if it's active or not, but some police pulled me over last time I visited home to ask me about her | 22:07 |
| cherez | so I'm sure they'll work with me if I have to follow through with this | 22:07 |
| * dmpayton has a family full of substance abusers, and almost went down that path himself. | 22:08 | |
| jotham | i'm glad i am apparently incapable of addiction to anything other than the internet =) | 22:08 |
| dmpayton | You could try going to the police station and asking about it. If you approach them, they may be willing to help you. | 22:09 |
| jotham | sounds like a task for doctor phill to be honest | 22:09 |
| dmpayton | Ugh, Dr. Phil is a hack. | 22:10 |
| jotham | you felt you had to state the obvious? | 22:10 |
| dmpayton | heh. I'm just tired of women thinking they know everything because they watch his show every day. | 22:10 |
| jotham | out of all americas media exports to my little country Everybody Loves Raymond confuses me the most | 22:11 |
| jotham | it confuses me more people actually like it | 22:11 |
| dmpayton | jotham: what country? | 22:11 |
| jotham | NZ | 22:11 |
| jotham | kiwistan/new zealand | 22:11 |
| dmpayton | IMO, TV is eff'n retarded. It's become mindless and dull. | 22:11 |
| jotham | tv is the mental equivilent of the couch people watch it from | 22:12 |
| cherez | actually, doctor Phil is a friend of her friend | 22:12 |
| cherez | maybe I can arrange something:-P | 22:12 |
| jotham | since i've been with my current girlfriend i've forced her to read 1 hour a night on average | 22:12 |
| jotham | reading is excellent for attention span and general mental fitness | 22:12 |
| dmpayton | I used to love watching TV, too... but...I feel so lethargic when I watch it now. I hate being unproductive, and watching TV offers no mental stimulous. | 22:13 |
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| dmpayton | The only TV I watch anymore is the news (national, not local) and History Channel | 22:14 |
| dmpayton | Maybe A&E or Discovery if something good is on. | 22:14 |
| jotham | we never had a tv when i was a kid, father hates them, i'm just perpetuating his patriarchy | 22:14 |
| dmpayton | documentaries and such. | 22:14 |
| jotham | gets in the way of listening to music and fucking around on the internet anyway | 22:15 |
| Iwanowitch | Oi, TV. Only thing useful about it is that it broadcasts Doctor Who. | 22:15 |
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| Iwanowitch | And the occasional movie. | 22:15 |
| cherez | only good thing on TV is the video game input channel | 22:16 |
| dmpayton | cherez: haha, so agree'd | 22:16 |
| cherez | well... back when everything used coax channel 3 instead of AV cords | 22:17 |
| dmpayton | Even games are mentally challenging. You have to coordinate, strategize, plan... | 22:17 |
| Iwanowitch | Heh. I prefer my PC, though. | 22:17 |
| cherez | Playstation: My anti-windows | 22:17 |
| dmpayton | cherez: Which Playstation? | 22:17 |
| cherez | PSOne | 22:17 |
| cherez | the miniature PSX | 22:18 |
| cherez | I might get a PS3 this summer | 22:18 |
| jotham | that being said, i just watched all 3 seasons of bsg back to back | 22:18 |
| Iwanowitch | You'd have to get up and walk to your TV to play a game... What pointless waste of energy. | 22:18 |
| dmpayton | cherez: Yes! Good answer. :D | 22:18 |
| jotham | and <3 it | 22:18 |
| dmpayton | My cousin ripped off my PSOne... and my XBox died... finally got a 360 in december. | 22:18 |
| jotham | it's refreshing to find an effective linear narative, passable actors, and good production value in the sci-fi community | 22:19 |
| cherez | I want the 360 to be successful so Microsoft can just close down their PC software division and start making video games | 22:19 |
| dmpayton | jotham: I dunno... most sci-fi TV shows bore me... | 22:20 |
| jotham | exactly | 22:20 |
| dmpayton | As far as sci-fi goes, Star Wars about does it for me. Anything else is meh. | 22:20 |
| jotham | tv in general is lacking for anyone used to good stories | 22:20 |
| dmpayton | And thats the original trilogy, mind you. | 22:20 |
| Iwanowitch | Tsk tsk. Doctor Who is the awesome. | 22:20 |
| dmpayton | Well, I dunno... Would The Prisoner be considered sci-fi? | 22:21 |
| dmpayton | My 11th grade history teacher showed us 3 or 4 episodes, and I've wanted the box set ever since. | 22:21 |
| cherez | The Prisoner? | 22:23 |
| cherez | I've never seen it | 22:23 |
| dmpayton | It's an old BBC show. I think there's only 13 episodes | 22:24 |
| dmpayton | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner | 22:24 |
| tpb | Title: The Prisoner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) | 22:25 |
| dmpayton | yeah, guess it is sci-fi | 22:25 |
| cherez | I'll have to watch it some time | 22:26 |
| cherez | it seems most good sci-fi has come from the BBC | 22:26 |
| cherez | Doctor Who is close to 30 seasons of darn good sci-fi | 22:26 |
| Iwanowitch | BBC creates loads of good content, it's unbelievable. | 22:26 |
| cherez | Red Dwarf, depending on whom you ask | 22:26 |
| cherez | the only American sci-fi I've gotten into were the middle 3 Star Trek series | 22:27 |
| dmpayton | Ugh, star trek | 22:28 |
| cherez | not great, but I still enjoy it | 22:29 |
| cherez | the amount of fame is disproportionate to the actual quality of the show | 22:29 |
| jotham | the lost room was the last good sci fi i got exposed to | 22:30 |
| jotham | and the remake of bsg is better than all the startreks, if only because it has a proper storyline that has a definitive beginning and end (making it hard for people to casually watch - leading it its unpopularity) | 22:31 |
| jotham | torchwood was fucking terrible | 22:31 |
| cherez | the Lost Room is terrific | 22:31 |
| jotham | oh ghost in the shell season one of stand alone complex was really good sci fi too | 22:31 |
| jotham | but the topic is very subjective | 22:32 |
| cherez | I've seen the movie, but I've heard better things about the show | 22:32 |
| jotham | GitS? | 22:33 |
| jotham | or BSG? | 22:33 |
| cherez | GitS | 22:33 |
| jotham | yeah the first season was great, very much classic scifi stuff | 22:33 |
| jotham | the clash between humans and machines at a psychological level | 22:33 |
| jotham | i need to get the second | 22:33 |
| cherez | man, I was hoping to do some work for TP this week | 22:38 |
| * dmpayton is moving this weekend | 22:40 | |
| dmpayton | No TP work for atleast a week for me | 22:40 |
| daxxar | Hello all. :-) | 22:41 |
| dmpayton | Mornin' daxxar | 22:41 |
| daxxar | Quite the contrary for my part, but good mornin' to you. :-) | 22:41 |
| dmpayton | it's 3:44pm here. :P | 22:41 |
| dmpayton | technically still morning for me, as I didn't get up till around 1 | 22:41 |
| daxxar | 00:45 AM here. | 22:41 |
| daxxar | Ooh, my PS2 arrives tomorrow. | 22:42 |
| daxxar | ;D | 22:42 |
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| dmpayton | PS2? | 22:43 |
| daxxar | PlayStation 2, the relic console from ages of yore. (Or something) | 22:44 |
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| dmpayton | My question is...why? | 22:44 |
| Iwanowitch | Why not? It has loads of games by now. | 22:44 |
| daxxar | Entertainment value? I was planning on getting a Wii, but my flatmate insisted on getting one - and they're unavailable for some time - so I got a PS2 instead. | 22:45 |
| daxxar | As Iwanowitch says, it has a load of games, quite a few decent, and it's a bit more "mature". :) | 22:45 |
| dmpayton | Eh... I'm not a big Sony fan. | 22:45 |
| cherez | PS2 has a lot of good games | 22:45 |
| daxxar | I'm not with any of the console-guys in particular, I prefer keeping away from the console fanboism. ;-) | 22:45 |
| cherez | it has certainly the best RPG base | 22:46 |
| daxxar | The version I'm getting has ethernet, perhaps I should port a TP-client to it. ;-) | 22:46 |
| Iwanowitch | I still prefer my PC. | 22:46 |
| dmpayton | rootkit, exploding batteries, failing stock... the PS3 launch was a failure, IMO. | 22:46 |
| daxxar | I care little for PS3. It's expensive and has so few games :) | 22:46 |
| daxxar | "next-gen" consoles are for the future, not today. ;) | 22:46 |
| cherez | the PS3 is doing well in Europe it seems | 22:46 |
| Iwanowitch | I agee with dmpayton though, I'm not getting anything Sony anymore. | 22:46 |
| daxxar | Iwanowitch: Well, I do agree, but there are a lot of titles and genres which are far superior (or only present on) consoles, e.g. PS2. | 22:47 |
| cherez | I want to get a PS3 mostly for PS2 games, but I also would love to install Linux on an 8 CPU system | 22:47 |
| daxxar | Suikoden IV (iirc), FFXII, etc. :) | 22:47 |
| Iwanowitch | Yeah, fine for you - I'll just do without the games :) | 22:47 |
| dmpayton | cherez: Not all PS2 games are compatible with the PS3 | 22:47 |
| daxxar | And, of course, the age old multiplayer faves - Virtua Fighter, Tekken, etc. ;-) | 22:47 |
| daxxar | Iwanowitch: Hehe, point. :-p | 22:47 |
| Iwanowitch | Though I have to agree, toying with the Cell should be cool. | 22:47 |
| cherez | dmpayton: do you know a web site with a compatibility list? | 22:48 |
| dmpayton | cherez: I think Kotaku has it linked somewhere | 22:48 |
| cherez | my RA has a PS3 and just about every PS2 game ever made, and has never had any issues | 22:48 |
| daxxar | RA? | 22:49 |
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| Iwanowitch | Still, it costs way too much. | 22:50 |
| mithro | well, if somebody sees nash before me, tell him I have a suprise for him :P | 22:51 |
| mithro | have to run to uni now | 22:51 |
| dmpayton | have fun, mithro | 22:51 |
| daxxar | Enjoy yourself. :) | 22:51 |
| * miChou waves | 22:51 | |
| Iwanowitch | Bye | 22:51 |
| daxxar | Evening, miChou | 22:51 |
| miChou | 'lo daxxar | 22:51 |
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| dmpayton | Time to get my game on for a few...then go start packing | 22:58 |
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| DystopicFro | cherez: hey...just wanted to offer support...and to say this: nothing you can do will change her. nothing you can say. she has to hit rock bottom. (Mind you I am an addict and am speaking from a ten-step point of view)...just...don't ever blame yourself...she has and will hurt you...but you do not need to hurt yourself by thinking that there is any action you can take to change here is boring.n... | 23:11 |
| Epyon | Errr... that was random. | 23:15 |
| cherez | DystopicFro: thanks, man. I'm leaving tonight and I'm letting her know I won't come back until she has stopped drinking | 23:16 |
| DystopicFro | cherez: sorry...that message there got garbled...I was trying to offer something supportive...and was multi-tasking | 23:17 |
| cherez | it's fine, I appreciate the gesture | 23:17 |
| DystopicFro | I am truly sorry for the pain that she has caused in your life...and I hope that one day she will see herself and her actions as they truly are...and that she can offer you, if nothing else, a true and heartfelt apology | 23:17 |
| DystopicFro | Good luck. | 23:17 |
| cherez | thanks | 23:18 |
| cherez | I might be gone for a few days until I can get a computer | 23:19 |
| cherez | I wish I brought my Zaurus | 23:27 |
| cherez | I could have saved the TP docs to it to read while I'm netless | 23:27 |
| Iwanowitch | Well, cherez, good luck with it. | 23:30 |
| Iwanowitch | I'm leaving, too tired to see anything on this screen. | 23:30 |
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| Epyon | Bye all ;) | 23:31 |
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| nash | mithro: To the bat-cave! | 23:47 |
| mithro | ? | 23:47 |
| mithro | nash: btw, I have a suprise for you | 23:54 |
| nash | Well I'm pretty hungry at the moment - is a bacon and egg roll? | 23:55 |
| mithro | no | 23:59 |
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