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| mithro | hello people | 00:39 |
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| * nash waves | 00:54 | |
| mithro | morning nash, what do you think of the updated MiniSec documentation? | 00:56 |
| mithro | http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/dev/documents/minisec.php | 00:57 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/9Nh> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 00:57 |
| mithro | Scouts should be slightly less useless now | 00:58 |
| mithro | JLP: ping? | 00:58 |
| mithro | nash: o and the updated metaserver | 00:58 |
| mithro | nash: do you have a ubuntu/debian system or ? | 01:00 |
| * nash has a look | 01:01 | |
| nash | debian | 01:01 |
| mithro | okay coolo | 01:10 |
| nash | mithro: Looks bertter BTW | 01:15 |
| mithro | which one? :P | 01:15 |
| nash | The minisec one | 01:17 |
| nash | Didn't read carefully however... | 01:17 |
| mithro | only one major change | 01:17 |
| mithro | (the fact that scouts now allow the whole fleet to escape) | 01:18 |
| nash | Yes... Now I can see a reason to build scouts ;-) | 01:19 |
| adhoc | mithro: JLP has goone to sleep | 01:19 |
| mithro | hey adhoc | 01:20 |
| mithro | you new here? | 01:20 |
| mithro | you here for the AI programming contest, or just generally intrested? | 01:23 |
| adhoc | mithro: spoke to you at LCA | 01:31 |
| adhoc | (i think) | 01:31 |
| mithro | adhoc: could have been Lee, I was the one who looked like the Irish Potate Farmer with the beard | 01:33 |
| mithro | s/Potate/Potato | 01:34 |
| mithro | adhoc: so whats your main intrest? | 01:34 |
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| CIA-11 | [email protected] * tpclient-pywx-dev/ (12 files): A more friendly error message under Debian. (Forward port from stable.) | 02:19 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * tpclient-pywx/ (12 files): A more friendly error message under Debian. | 02:19 |
| mithro | nash: give that a try? | 02:25 |
| nash | mithro: What? | 02:28 |
| mithro | the new requirements.py should be more friendly when you don't have the requirements installed | 02:30 |
| mithro | it'll also suggest a bunch of optional extras | 02:30 |
| nash | I should have all the requiements now | 02:30 |
| mithro | do you have all the optional stuff? find out now! :P | 02:32 |
| mithro | if you do a "python requirements.py" and everything still works, its good to know I havn't borked anything | 02:34 |
| mithro | off to lunch | 02:35 |
| mithro | bblr | 02:35 |
| nash | okay | 02:36 |
| nash | look shortly - lyunching too | 02:36 |
| mithro | back | 03:00 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * scratchpad/ (magicsetup.sh magicsetup.sh): Start of a development enviroment setup script. | 03:04 |
| mithro | ~tpb seen tuna-fish | 03:05 |
| tpb | Dunno, mithro. | 03:05 |
| mithro | ~tpb seen tuna-fish- | 03:05 |
| tpb | Dunno. | 03:05 |
| mithro | ~seen tuna-fish | 03:15 |
| tpb | mithro: I have not seen tuna-fish. | 03:15 |
| mithro | ~seen tuna-fish- | 03:15 |
| tpb | mithro: tuna-fish- was last seen in #tp 2 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 55 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <tuna-fish-> here it's the standard, after it there are conversion cources to c++ | 03:15 |
| mithro | ~seen llnz | 03:15 |
| tpb | mithro: llnz was last seen in #tp 14 hours, 20 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <llnz> later all | 03:15 |
| mithro | adhoc: btw I'm sitting in the EngMaths building at Adelaide Uni :P | 03:25 |
| adhoc | hmmm ... just across the road ;) | 03:30 |
| mithro | your the guy who hanged(?) out with Janet? | 03:35 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * battleviewer/ (6 files): First specification of the Thousand Parsec Battle Data. | 05:46 |
| nash | mithro: BTW: The metaserver looks good | 05:47 |
| mithro | nash: cool | 05:47 |
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| CIA-11 | [email protected] * battleviewer/ (9 files): Added my attempt at a DTD for the battle data. | 06:03 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * battleviewer/ (6 files): Added weapontypes and referenced new graphics. | 06:12 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * battleviewer/ (13 files in 6 dirs): Graphics needed by example1.xml | 06:12 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * battleviewer/ (7 files): Fixed a few XML mistakes. | 06:31 |
| nash | Talk to you later | 06:32 |
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| adhoc | mithro: that would be yes. | 08:28 |
| mithro | adhoc: okay cool | 08:28 |
| adhoc | mithro: ok, so last time we spoke i was asking you about running a game server | 08:29 |
| mithro | yeah | 08:29 |
| adhoc | mithro: on the Air-Stream wireless WAN | 08:29 |
| mithro | okay, I now have a face to put to your name :P | 08:30 |
| adhoc | mithro: and hopefully running a couple of different scenarios or games | 08:30 |
| adhoc | mithro: my nick is adhoc, my name is kim | 08:30 |
| mithro | cool | 08:35 |
| adhoc | mithro: i'm looking at the downloads page ... | 08:36 |
| mithro | adhoc: I wouldn't say it's all that ready for that type of setup, Lee would be intrested otherwise I think | 08:36 |
| adhoc | so i need the python server and the Python TP Network Library | 08:37 |
| adhoc | and the Python TP Client library | 08:37 |
| adhoc | and the Python wxWidgets client ? | 08:38 |
| adhoc | ... hmmm | 08:39 |
| adhoc | i'd like to take a demo to the next Air-Stream meeting and show them the good stuff =) | 08:39 |
| mithro | okay | 08:40 |
| mithro | you'll want the tpserver-cpp | 08:40 |
| mithro | tpserver-py is in a state of flux at the moment | 08:40 |
| adhoc | ok | 08:40 |
| adhoc | is the wx python client ok? | 08:41 |
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| adhoc | hi JLP | 08:44 |
| JLP | adhoc: ahoy | 08:44 |
| mithro | the wxPython client is the best avaliable client at the moment | 08:47 |
| mithro | JLP is writing a KDE 4 based client | 08:47 |
| adhoc | JLP: nice work =) | 08:47 |
| mithro | i'm heading to dinner | 08:47 |
| mithro | follow the getting started page :P | 08:48 |
| mithro | be back in about 1 hour | 08:48 |
| adhoc | mithro: ah huh! | 08:48 |
| JLP | well, unfortunately not doing much work for the last couple of days, had university work, and I had a couple of exams | 08:48 |
| JLP | so it's hard to find time | 08:48 |
| adhoc | JLP: understood | 08:49 |
| JLP | now i should be free for two weeks, no uni at all and no exams :) | 08:49 |
| adhoc | JLP: cool | 08:50 |
| JLP | so i started thinking about the way how to do star map | 08:50 |
| adhoc | i would like to setup a server locally | 08:50 |
| adhoc | and get other local folks interested in development =) | 08:50 |
| JLP | thinking if it can even be done by using model-videw-controller from QT, where view would be QGraphicsView | 08:50 |
| adhoc | JLP: i volunteer/work in a couple of local community orgs | 08:50 |
| adhoc | JLP: i'm not up to date on KDE tech =/ | 08:51 |
| adhoc | JLP: is that different to the Xlib mopdel ? | 08:51 |
| JLP | adhoc: have no idea about the Xlib, never had to deal with it, just started with C++ and than Qt | 08:52 |
| JLP | adhoc: the links about two parts are: | 08:53 |
| JLP | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/model-view-programming.html | 08:53 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/IGk> (at doc.trolltech.com) | 08:53 |
| adhoc | ok | 08:54 |
| JLP | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qgraphicsview.html | 08:54 |
| tpb | Title: Qt 4.2: QGraphicsView Class Reference (at doc.trolltech.com) | 08:54 |
| JLP | but as far as i can tell, qgraphics view was not exactly designed to take adventage of model-view | 08:54 |
| JLP | so i guess i'll have to somehow improve it to make it work together | 08:55 |
| JLP | so i'm currently reading this article - http://blog.wysota.eu.org/articles/glmodel_chapter0/ | 08:56 |
| adhoc | hmmm | 08:56 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/IGl> (at blog.wysota.eu.org) | 08:56 |
| JLP | hope it can be used in my case | 08:56 |
| adhoc | whats the problem with the model-view-controller? | 08:57 |
| JLP | well, i think the only problem is that it looks like QGraphicsView wasn't made in a way so you could simply plug it into a MVC | 08:59 |
| JLP | so the problem is that a lazy, timeless newbie programmer like me would have to do more work to make it work together :) | 08:59 |
| adhoc | =) | 08:59 |
| adhoc | theres probably an easy way | 08:59 |
| adhoc | have a look at other applications that do similar things ;) | 09:00 |
| JLP | yeah probably i missed something, i plan to ask people on forums about Qt, they should know better what to do | 09:00 |
| adhoc | sounds like a plan =) | 09:01 |
| JLP | although this blog about using model for OpenGL view sounds a lot like what i'm trying to do, probably my case is iven more simple as it is not 3D at all | 09:02 |
| JLP | for now :) | 09:03 |
| JLP | Parsek will probably just remain a 2D client like Stars! was | 09:04 |
| JLP | For 3D client I guess it would be the best to continue work on PyOGRE client | 09:05 |
| JLP | but first I would have to learn Python and OpenGL | 09:05 |
| mithro | back | 09:32 |
| mithro | JLP: i'm currently reworking MTSec | 09:41 |
| mithro | I could use your thoughts | 09:41 |
| JLP | mithro: let me check it | 09:42 |
| mithro | i havn't commited my updates yet | 09:43 |
| JLP | mithro: well, i didn't exactly read it very closely when I went through it | 09:44 |
| JLP | what i like is that this one has a story behind it :) I think good stories are quite important to get the player into the mood | 09:46 |
| mithro | yeah | 09:47 |
| JLP | mithro: oh and i see that there are quite a bit more ships now, nice | 09:47 |
| mithro | yes | 09:48 |
| JLP | the ship info could be formated in the same way as in MiniSec | 09:48 |
| JLP | And it would be nice to put all the numerical info (HP, speed, .....) about all the ships in a table at the end, so that player can quickly compare all | 09:49 |
| JLP | mithro: maybe the part about simultaneous firing can be expanded a bit | 09:55 |
| JLP | is the rate of fire for all weapons/ships the same? | 09:56 |
| JLP | also, there could be more said about torpedos and missiles, it is not quite clear if those two can be mixed on a ship | 10:00 |
| JLP | so maybe it should be explicitely stated that you can mix torpedos and missiles but that each of these can be of only one type | 10:00 |
| JLP | and than after that you could give an example for a couple of possible combinations for a shipe of some size and what these combinations mean in the end | 10:01 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * web/dev/documents/ (30 files): Massive MTSec update. | 10:50 |
| adhoc | is | 10:51 |
| adhoc | is CIA-11 a bot? | 10:51 |
| adhoc | that announces CVS updates? | 10:51 |
| mithro | yes | 10:52 |
| mithro | http://cia.navi.cx/ | 10:52 |
| tpb | Title: CIA - The open source informant (at cia.navi.cx) | 10:52 |
| mithro | JLP: give that a read | 10:53 |
| adhoc | nice =) | 10:54 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * web/dev/documents/ (minisec.php minisec.php minisec.php): 2007 not 2006 :P | 10:57 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * web/dev/documents/ (mtsec.php mtsec.php mtsec.php): Added TODO list. | 11:03 |
| mithro | JLP: feel free to tinker | 11:07 |
| JLP | mithro: will check out the updates right away | 11:12 |
| mithro | okay cool | 11:12 |
| mithro | just doing a little work on the calculations spreadsheet then heading to bed | 11:12 |
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| adhoc | mithro: if you are intersted, there is an Air-Stream meeting on Wednesday evenen | 11:28 |
| mithro | hey everyone, this is jotham I managed to rope him into doing some work on battleviewer | 11:28 |
| mithro | adhoc: where would it be located? | 11:28 |
| adhoc | mithro: there wil be a BBQ | 11:28 |
| mithro | I wouldn't mind joining AirStream | 11:28 |
| adhoc | Parkside Primary School | 11:28 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * web/dev/documents/mtsec.ods : Lots of updates to the explosivness calculations. | 11:28 |
| adhoc | just off Glen Osmand road | 11:28 |
| adhoc | hang 5 | 11:28 |
| adhoc | on the front page; | 11:29 |
| adhoc | http://www.air-stream.org/ | 11:29 |
| tpb | Title: Air-Stream | Community Wireless Networking for South Australia (at www.air-stream.org) | 11:29 |
| mithro | JLP: feel free to add things to the todo | 11:29 |
| jotham | hi | 11:29 |
| adhoc | hi jotham =) | 11:30 |
| JLP | mithro: will do, just finished reading mtsec, looks good, much more interesting than minisec :) | 11:30 |
| JLP | jotham: hi | 11:30 |
| mithro | JLP: i actually quite like the simplicity of MiniSec :P | 11:30 |
| jotham | i was tasked with animating some lines, which i will be doing in the next day or so | 11:31 |
| JLP | mithro: yeah less work to do when programming :) | 11:32 |
| JLP | mithro: it's good to have multiple games with multiple complexity levels, so beginners can come in and play simple games and then advance to more complex ones | 11:32 |
| mithro | adhoc: looks good, I'll most probably turn up - will you head to there after work? I'll most probably be at Uni all day | 11:32 |
| adhoc | mithro: yeah i will most likely cycle over | 11:33 |
| mithro | i'm kind of osscillation between adding resource transportation or not to MTSec | 11:33 |
| adhoc | will have BBQ provisions too ... somehome | 11:33 |
| adhoc | somehow | 11:33 |
| mithro | adhoc: ahh okay - I'll catch the bus then - use to go to Glenunga International High School, so know GlenOsmond road pretty well | 11:34 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * web/dev/documents/ (mtsec.php mtsec.php): More TODO items. | 11:34 |
| mithro | we have had more then 4700 unique visitors to the Thousand Parsec website this month | 11:35 |
| JLP | baaut | 11:36 |
| JLP | mithro: oh, i will also post an announcement about competition on gpwiki | 11:37 |
| mithro | gpwiki? | 11:37 |
| mithro | baaut? | 11:37 |
| mithro | averaging around 200 a day | 11:38 |
| jotham | so whats the deal with this 100x100 vs 128x128 | 11:38 |
| JLP | s/baaut/beaut | 11:38 |
| JLP | http://gpwiki.org/ | 11:38 |
| tpb | Title: Game Programming Wiki - GPWiki (at gpwiki.org) | 11:38 |
| JLP | i think lee was talking about this site on LCA, that's how i found it and i see they also have a forum where a maybe we could find a couple of potential game developers | 11:39 |
| mithro | maybe post here too http://gpwiki.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=9 ? | 11:39 |
| tpb | Title: Announcements (at gpwiki.org) | 11:39 |
| JLP | mithro: yup that's exactly the place i was thinking of | 11:41 |
| JLP | oh and i have found this yesterday : http://linuxappfinder.com/package/thousandparsec | 11:42 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/IGq> (at linuxappfinder.com) | 11:42 |
| mithro | cool | 11:44 |
| JLP | i added tags and windows alternatives | 11:46 |
| JLP | can't find where to include an icon, probably need to send an e-mail to webmaster | 11:46 |
| mithro | anyway I said I was going to bed | 11:47 |
| JLP | mithro: good night | 11:48 |
| mithro | jotham: you could use a little circle for the torpedo's | 11:56 |
| mithro | anyway I'm really off now :P | 11:56 |
| adhoc | its taking eons to download the torrents for the games miniconf =/ | 11:58 |
| adhoc | night mithro | 11:58 |
| JLP | adhoc: it was quite fast for me, around 200-250 k/s | 12:01 |
| adhoc | JLP: yeah, its ok, just getting impatient =) | 12:01 |
| JLP | adhoc: too bad my ISp has some problems with UL now, usually i coud easily get 80 bot now it only goes around 5 k/s | 12:01 |
| adhoc | its crawling down at 0.2kb/s | 12:01 |
| adhoc | i'm not familiar with how torrents & trackers & things work | 12:02 |
| JLP | adhoc: well it is quite simple, trackers just keep track of clients that are downloading or seeding a file | 12:03 |
| adhoc | right | 12:04 |
| JLP | torrent is just an info file that tells trackers and clients some info about the file, for example what the tracker is and how bi the file is or what files are included in the package | 12:04 |
| adhoc | i wonder if i can't upload ... no port forwarding going on here =/ | 12:04 |
| adhoc | and that hurts the downloading action? | 12:04 |
| JLP | then clients just open the torrent and connect to tracker and ask tracker to send them info about other clients | 12:04 |
| JLP | then client connects to other peers and starts asking and sending th pieces of file | 12:05 |
| adhoc | ah ok | 12:06 |
| adhoc | that explains all the stats | 12:06 |
| JLP | yeah, if you are behind firewall and don't have port FW set up it can hurt the speed | 12:06 |
| adhoc | i need to sort something out there... | 12:06 |
| JLP | also don't have upload speed set to high | 12:07 |
| adhoc | ok | 12:07 |
| JLP | set it to about 75% of what your max speed on the line can be | 12:07 |
| adhoc | currently up 3k down 9k | 12:07 |
| JLP | damn i really need to call my ISP and complain a bit about the UL speed | 12:10 |
| adhoc | =/ | 12:10 |
| adhoc | are they awake yet? | 12:10 |
| adhoc | as we are going to sleep about now =) | 12:10 |
| JLP | i'm even thinking about increasing it to 128 kB/s | 12:10 |
| JLP | i do a lot of seeding of Linux distributions and stuff like that | 12:11 |
| JLP | adhoc: it's 13:12 here in Slovenia | 12:11 |
| adhoc | ah ok | 12:11 |
| adhoc | 1 pm? | 12:11 |
| JLP | yup | 12:11 |
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