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| mmadia | harlan , are you on the google mentors-list? | 00:00 |
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| harlan | yes] | 00:00 |
| mmadia | from:[email protected] subject:"[Announce] Slot Allocations, Student Proposals, and Deduplication - Long But Important" | 00:00 |
| harlan | 'k, I mst have missed that - I'll re=read. | 00:00 |
| harlan | thx... | 00:00 |
| mmadia | step 3 and 4 mention it. | 00:01 |
| harlan | I was working on steps 1 and 2 :) | 00:01 |
| SRabbelier | "read all of it" she says, yeah? ^^ | 00:06 |
| harlan | some days are better than others... | 00:06 |
| SRabbelier | truth | 00:07 |
| SRabbelier | time for bed | 00:07 |
| SRabbelier | ttyl | 00:07 |
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| LetterRip | hi all if i add an 'assigned mentor link id' column is that visible to the students? | 02:21 |
| Triskelios | LetterRip: the dashboard is for your own account | 02:22 |
| LetterRip | ok | 02:22 |
| LetterRip | can the students see that column though? | 02:23 |
| Triskelios | students can't see any tables | 02:23 |
| LetterRip | ah - duuhhh :) thanks i feel dumb | 02:23 |
| Triskelios | np | 02:24 |
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| asmeurer | is there an easy way to either see which mentors have clicked "I want to mentor" this project for all the projects, or to see all the projects that a given mentor has done this for? | 02:28 |
| LetterRip | asmeurer - not that i see | 02:31 |
| asmeurer | I didn't think so, so I created http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1214 | 02:35 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8iqL> (at code.google.com) | 02:35 |
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| asmeurer | it would be super helpful if you guys could implement that | 02:37 |
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| leumas | in the new page layout, can the student resubmit it now? i mean, after the deadline? | 04:35 |
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| Nightrose | i have to say that i find the buttons in the proposal very confusing now :/ | 10:40 |
| Nightrose | all of them seem clickable but only half of them make sense at any given time | 10:41 |
| Nightrose | and i can't tell which half it is | 10:41 |
| Nightrose | ah there are error messages when you click the one that isn't useful... | 10:44 |
| Nightrose | imho those shouldn't be presented in the first place | 10:44 |
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| Alexia_Death_ | Hi, a question, what is the Accept proposal button for? | 11:49 |
| * Alexia_Death_ is an admin for her org | 11:49 | |
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| |Kev| | Nightrose: Yes, it's terribly confusing for a poor soul like me :) | 12:08 |
| Nightrose | |Kev|: hehe good to know it's not just me who is confused | 12:10 |
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| SRabbelier|Lappy | Alexia_Death_: read carol's announcement on the mentor list | 12:42 |
| Alexia_Death_ | SRabbelier: give me a bit of title to search by. | 12:43 |
| SRabbelier|Lappy | !learn read as If you are an organization administrator (or even a mentor), please read all [Announce] emails that are sent to the mentors list. | 12:43 |
| gsocbot | SRabbelier|Lappy: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. | 12:43 |
| SRabbelier|Lappy | Alexia_Death_: [Announce] | 12:43 |
| Alexia_Death_ | ok. | 12:43 |
| Alexia_Death_ | Ive been spammed so much that I cant find anything sensible any more. | 12:43 |
| SRabbelier|Lappy | Alexia_Death_: all [Announce] emails are, read them | 12:45 |
| SRabbelier|Lappy | Alexia_Death_: in particular the ones that are from carols and say "Long but important" :P | 12:46 |
| Alexia_Death_ | heh | 12:46 |
| * Alexia_Death_ makes an appropriate gmail filter. | 12:46 | |
| SRabbelier|Lappy | Alexia_Death_: thanks | 12:46 |
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| leumas | hi guys! | 13:27 |
| leumas | I think in the new proposal page, the new options shouldn't be highlighted at the top | 13:27 |
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| leumas | It would be friendly if they are at the end of the page, what do you say? | 13:28 |
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| * DrJoel would like a pointer on how to view a column to see which proposals have mentors assigned and/or interested | 13:31 | |
| DrJoel | doh.. it is at the bottom of the table | 13:32 |
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| leumas | madrazr: I think in the new proposal page, the new options shouldn't be highlighted at the top | 13:58 |
| leumas | It would be friendly if they are at the end of the page, what do you say? | 13:58 |
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| madrazr | leumas: link please? | 14:03 |
| madrazr | leumas: you mean Submit proposal page? | 14:03 |
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| leumas | madrazr: yes | 14:23 |
| leumas | madrazr: sorry I was away! | 14:24 |
| madrazr | leumas: let me look at that | 14:24 |
| leumas | ... | 14:25 |
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| svuorela | hi peoples. is there any way to change one's link id from previous years ? | 14:26 |
| leumas | madrazr: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/samuelab0/1 | 14:28 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8iAc> (at www.google-melange.com) | 14:28 |
| madrazr | svuorela: why do you want to do that? | 14:28 |
| madrazr | svuorela: it is like changing your username | 14:28 |
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| leumas | a few guys here also said its a bit disturbing | 14:29 |
| madrazr | leumas: what new option are you talking about? | 14:30 |
| svuorela | madrazr: because when I signed up 2 or 3 years ago, it wasn't described as a user name, just as something that should be unique. and I filled it with something unique. not something that actually is a username for me. | 14:30 |
| madrazr | svuorela: it is still not exactly a username | 14:30 |
| madrazr | svuorela: I just used it as an analogy | 14:31 |
| madrazr | svuorela: the simplest analogy I could think of | 14:31 |
| leumas | madrazr: the two new options to "publicly visible" and "withdraw proposal" | 14:31 |
| svuorela | madrazr: but still. I would like to change it. | 14:31 |
| madrazr | leumas: why shouldn't that be at top? we want to clearly separate the comment form input and its buttons and these options | 14:31 |
| madrazr | svuorela: you can write an email to SRabbelier with your current link_id and the email ID with which you have registered on the site | 14:32 |
| madrazr | svuorela: SRabbelier's email ID his nick here at gmail | 14:32 |
| svuorela | madrazr: and then he can change it? or let me register from scratch or something ? | 14:32 |
| madrazr | svuorela: I am not sure what he will do, but thats the way to go about it | 14:33 |
| madrazr | svuorela: :) | 14:33 |
| leumas | madrazr: but, it's not like a user will be checking the "withdraw proposal" as frequently as comments | 14:33 |
| svuorela | madrazr: my link id is very unique hello_hello_hello_hello, but not very useful for pointing to me. | 14:33 |
| leumas | madrazr: I just fear that I might click on the "withdraw proposal" accidentally! | 14:34 |
| madrazr | svuorela: you are a student? | 14:34 |
| svuorela | madrazr: no. | 14:34 |
| madrazr | svuorela: Ok | 14:35 |
| madrazr | svuorela: it is better you write an email to SRabbelier | 14:35 |
| svuorela | I'm helping the debian people, but no projects for me this year. was mentor last year, and the previous year I was also helping. | 14:35 |
| madrazr | svuorela: creating a profile from scratch has an obvious problem that, we can't associate you with your old data | 14:35 |
| madrazr | svuorela: ah cool! | 14:35 |
| madrazr | leumas: I don't know what to say for that | 14:35 |
| madrazr | leumas: we had a user today who was supposed to use one of these buttons and he thought they did not work and he should go down to the page and hit the submit button | 14:36 |
| madrazr | leumas: he did that to only see the empty comments getting posted | 14:36 |
| madrazr | leumas: if we move these new buttons down, these problems aggravate | 14:36 |
| leumas | madrazr: oh! it seems a bit more complicated than I thought... | 14:37 |
| madrazr | leumas: sure | 14:37 |
| madrazr | also this is more of a matter of choice | 14:38 |
| madrazr | leumas: and the most important piece of information I would like to share with you | 14:38 |
| madrazr | leumas: it is more of a human tendency to resist to change | 14:38 |
| madrazr | leumas: you know why most people resist to switch to Linux from Windows quoting that "Windows is more user friendly" | 14:38 |
| madrazr | which I still haven't understand what that actually means ;-) | 14:39 |
| leumas | madrazr: u have a point | 14:39 |
| madrazr | give my mom a Windows computer and she will run away, because she never used Windows ;-) | 14:39 |
| svuorela | madrazr: I've mailed sverre, let's see what happens. | 14:39 |
| madrazr | leumas: so these buttons are new and I feel it takes some time to get acquainted with it | 14:39 |
| leumas | ha ha! | 14:39 |
| madrazr | svuorela: cool! | 14:40 |
| madrazr | leumas: but one thing, after using these pages for quite some time, if you still feel they are distracting, feel free to file an issue at http://tinyurl.com/new-issue | 14:40 |
| tpb | Title: Google Project Hosting (at tinyurl.com) | 14:40 |
| leumas | madrazr: sure thing! | 14:41 |
| madrazr | leumas: it may also be possible that, I am resisting to change it since I have been seeing in in development from quite some time now :D | 14:41 |
| madrazr | leumas: I have got used to it TBH | 14:41 |
| leumas | madrazr: on a side note, it actually looks good :p | 14:41 |
| madrazr | leumas: thanks :) | 14:42 |
| leumas | esp the colors! | 14:42 |
| madrazr | leumas: but they are soon going to change :P | 14:42 |
| leumas | why? it matches with the theme of the web page! | 14:43 |
| madrazr | leumas: users are complaining that it is not obvious as to which button is Enabled and which is Disabled :P | 14:43 |
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| leumas | madrazr: that's some what true .. | 14:43 |
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| jpf_admin | Is any of the melange admins around? | 15:10 |
| jpf_admin | Are* any of the melange admins around? | 15:11 |
| madrazr | jpf_admin: depends on what you want | 15:12 |
| madrazr | jpf_admin: I am a Melange developer and I am around | 15:12 |
| jpf_admin | madrazr: A mentor incorrectly made comments public, he didn't realize it was public | 15:12 |
| madrazr | jpf_admin: Ok | 15:13 |
| jpf_admin | is there is way to delete those public comments? | 15:13 |
| jpf_admin | it was not supposed to be public and he would like them removed so students can't see them | 15:13 |
| madrazr | jpf_admin: they can be converted to private (and it can be done by sending an email to SRabbelier) | 15:13 |
| madrazr | jpf_admin: but it is already recorded | 15:13 |
| madrazr | and very likely logged for ever in the student's inbox | 15:13 |
| madrazr | jpf_admin: we can delete/make the comment private, but it is very likely that the student has already read it in his/her email | 15:14 |
| jpf_admin | madrazr: we realize that. but for posterity would like it removed since it was done in error | 15:14 |
| madrazr | jpf_admin: Ok | 15:14 |
| madrazr | jpf_admin: just ask the mentor who made that comment to email SRabbelier from the email ID with which he is registered on the site | 15:15 |
| madrazr | jpf_admin: along with his link_id | 15:15 |
| jpf_admin | got it | 15:15 |
| madrazr | jpf_admin: cool! | 15:16 |
| jpf_admin | thanks madrazr | 15:16 |
| madrazr | jpf_admin: NP | 15:16 |
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| sumanah | I hereby thank SRabbelier and the whole Melange team -- especially for CSV export! | 15:59 |
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| vikash | Hello Everyone! | 17:17 |
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| vikash | madrazr, Hey I am back! | 17:26 |
| vikash | madrazr, What can I do today | 17:27 |
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| gevaerts | Weren't the dashboard columns supposed to be saved in a cookie, or am I misremembering/ | 17:30 |
| * vikash feels sorry because he couldnot commit yesterday! but is ready for today | 17:31 | |
| gevaerts | Or did I screw up my cookie settings... | 17:32 |
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| gevaerts | right | 17:32 |
| * gevaerts now allows persistent cookies from melange. That should help | 17:32 | |
| madrazr | gevaerts: hopefully :) | 17:34 |
| madrazr | vikash: cool! | 17:34 |
| madrazr | vikash: Hi | 17:35 |
| vikash | :) | 17:35 |
| vikash | madrazr, hey! last night was Awesome and I am surely ready to commit tonight | 17:35 |
| vikash | madrazr, how are you | 17:35 |
| madrazr | vikash: cool! great to know that | 17:35 |
| madrazr | vikash: I am good | 17:35 |
| madrazr | vikash: I am just looking at how you can help us | 17:35 |
| madrazr | vikash: perhaps you can write a test, can you? | 17:36 |
| vikash | madrazr, Thanks for being so nice | 17:36 |
| vikash | test, didnt get you much on that | 17:36 |
| madrazr | vikash: they are small and good to begin with | 17:36 |
| madrazr | vikash: unit tests? | 17:36 |
| gevaerts | madrazr: it works :) | 17:36 |
| madrazr | gevaerts: great! | 17:36 |
| vikash | ok ! so how do I proceed? | 17:37 |
| vikash | cool | 17:37 |
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| vikash | ? | 17:45 |
| madrazr | vikash: basically if you look at our source code, our tests are stored in melange/tests | 17:52 |
| madrazr | vikash: we are lacking tests for this specific feature of posting comments/reviews on the Student's proposals | 17:53 |
| madrazr | vikash: the tests for this should be written in the file tests/new-views/test_proposal_review.py | 17:53 |
| vikash | ok! | 17:53 |
| madrazr | vikash: if you look at that file, you can see a lot of other features which have tests | 17:53 |
| madrazr | vikash: you can write a test for Posting Comments? | 17:54 |
| madrazr | vikash: would you be interested in doing that? | 17:54 |
| vikash | Sure, why not! | 17:55 |
| vikash | madrazr, Sure | 17:59 |
| madrazr | vikash: great | 18:06 |
| madrazr | vikash: the tests that exist there should lead you in the right direction | 18:06 |
| madrazr | vikash: the actual code you need to test lives in melange/app/soc/modules/gsoc/views/proposal_review.py | 18:06 |
| madrazr | the PostComment class | 18:06 |
| madrazr | vikash: that is part of my work today | 18:09 |
| madrazr | let me know if you can do that | 18:09 |
| vikash | ok ! 5 min ! dads calling | 18:09 |
| madrazr | I have shared that with you :) | 18:09 |
| madrazr | vikash: sure | 18:09 |
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| vikash | ok | 18:11 |
| vikash | 5 min | 18:11 |
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| vikash | madrazr, Sorry for being late, I am back | 18:28 |
| vikash | madrazr, I got a mail for my public review and unable toview it | 18:29 |
| vikash | madrazr, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/vikashagrawal/1#c16001 | 18:29 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8iyW> (at www.google-melange.com) | 18:29 |
| vikash | madrazr, So is this because of this | 18:29 |
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| vikash | madrazr1, So I should start from which proposal_< >.py | 18:34 |
| madrazr1 | vikash: why can't you view your public review? What is the error you get when you go to that page? | 18:35 |
| madrazr1 | vikash: is that because of what? | 18:35 |
| madrazr1 | vikash: I did not get your question about proposal_<>.py | 18:36 |
| vikash | no error! I can just veiw my application page and ntn else | 18:36 |
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| vikash | madrazr1, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/vikashagrawal/1#c16001 | 18:40 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8iyW> (at www.google-melange.com) | 18:40 |
| madrazr1 | vikash: because you are not logged in? | 18:45 |
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| vikash | madrazr, Oh I got so dumb :( | 18:45 |
| madrazr | vikash: NP | 18:47 |
| vikash | madrazr, So now I am going through proposal_review.py! and what should be the next step after this | 18:50 |
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| madrazr | vikash: to write a test for the PostComment class | 19:02 |
| vikash | in which file | 19:03 |
| vikash | postComment or publicPostComment | 19:04 |
| vikash | madrazr, postComment or publicPostComment? and in which file | 19:04 |
| madrazr | vikash: as far as I can see there is only one PostComment class | 19:05 |
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| madrazr | in proposal_review.py | 19:05 |
| madrazr | vikash: where do you see publicPostComment? | 19:05 |
| vikash | madrazr, no I dint see that! I confused it to with writing a new class | 19:06 |
| madrazr | vikash: you need not write a new class | 19:07 |
| vikash | madrazr, I am seeing PostComment class | 19:07 |
| madrazr | vikash: the necessary classes are already there | 19:07 |
| vikash | madrazr, got it | 19:07 |
| madrazr | vikash: you need to write a test for this class | 19:07 |
| vikash | ok! so how to proceed now | 19:07 |
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| madrazr | vikash: ? | 19:31 |
| madrazr | vikash: did you take a look at the test file I mentioned? | 19:31 |
| harlan | I'm still wrestling with my "amazing" number. We have a small range there, and I'm not sure where in that small range I should "pick" (ie, high- or low- side). | 19:43 |
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| harlan | Am I overthinking this? | 19:43 |
| madrazr | vikash: ping | 19:44 |
| madrazr | vikash: do you need some help there? are you struck at some point? | 19:44 |
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| axeld | SRabbelier or madrazr: is anyone online? AFAIK each of you has been bothered with my problem becoming a mentor for the Haiku project already. | 20:07 |
| madrazr | axeld: I am online | 20:07 |
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| madrazr | axeld: we were bothered? really? :) | 20:07 |
| madrazr | axeld: we were happy to help :) | 20:07 |
| axeld | Hi madrazr, great! | 20:07 |
| axeld | That's good because it looks like I need some more :-) | 20:08 |
| madrazr | axeld: can you please remind me what the problem was? | 20:08 |
| madrazr | axeld: sure, I am here for that :) | 20:08 |
| axeld | I've been trying to become a mentor for the Haiku project | 20:08 |
| madrazr | axeld: rathere in a more inclusive sense, we are here for that! | 20:08 |
| madrazr | axeld: Ok | 20:08 |
| axeld | At first it said (on the Haiku page): you already are a mentor | 20:08 |
| axeld | But I didn't see any applications | 20:08 |
| axeld | Now it says: you've already been invited | 20:08 |
| axeld | But I still doesn't see anything | 20:09 |
| madrazr | axeld: can you go to your dashboard? | 20:09 |
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| madrazr | axeld: in the Requests for my organization list in the dashboard, you must be able to see a drop down for status column | 20:09 |
| axeld | When I go to my dashboard, and set status to "all", I see that someone (supposedly me) has withdrawn the invitation from Haiku | 20:09 |
| axeld | But I certainly didn't do that | 20:09 |
| madrazr | axeld: No problem | 20:10 |
| madrazr | :) | 20:10 |
| madrazr | axeld: go to that request and resubmit | 20:10 |
| madrazr | :) | 20:10 |
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| axeld | madrazr: how? | 20:11 |
| madrazr | axeld: you don't see Resubmit button? | 20:11 |
| madrazr | axeld: can you please give me the URL of that request? | 20:12 |
| axeld | I have the browser open on another system; is the last ID enough? That would be 6518213 | 20:12 |
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| axeld | madrazr: Firefox 3.6.16 on Ubuntu btw | 20:13 |
| madrazr | axeld: is it /gsoc/invite or /gsoc/request in the URL | 20:13 |
| madrazr | ? | 20:13 |
| axeld | madrazr: gsoc/invitation/ | 20:14 |
| axeld | madrazr: on WebPositive in Haiku I also don't see that button | 20:14 |
| madrazr | axeld: ah! | 20:14 |
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| madrazr | axeld: this is not your mistake :) | 20:15 |
| axeld | madrazr: I guessed that much 8-) | 20:15 |
| madrazr | axeld: Status: The request has been withdrawn by the sender. | 20:15 |
| madrazr | axeld: your org admin has withdrawn the invitation :) | 20:15 |
| madrazr | one of the org admins | 20:15 |
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| axeld | madrazr: hm, I got two invitations to the wrong eMail address | 20:16 |
| axeld | madrazr: and it definitely said "you're already a mentor for Haiku" on that page | 20:16 |
| axeld | some days back, that is | 20:16 |
| madrazr | axeld: yes, it used to say so even if you had the request/invite | 20:16 |
| axeld | madrazr: okay, so should I bother my org admins to send out another invitation to the correct address this time? :-) | 20:17 |
| madrazr | axeld: not another invitation | 20:17 |
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| madrazr | axeld: he/she has to resend the same invitation | 20:17 |
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| madrazr | axeld: Oh! | 20:17 |
| madrazr | sorry | 20:17 |
| madrazr | :) | 20:17 |
| axeld | madrazr? | 20:18 |
| madrazr | axeld: the wrong email address is perhaps because you are registered with G with 2 addresses? | 20:18 |
| axeld | Exactly | 20:18 |
| axeld | madrazr: but I don't even remember my password for the other address... | 20:19 |
| madrazr | axeld: I think and if I am correct, your "wrong address" is the default address | 20:19 |
| axeld | madrazr: not sure how that could happen | 20:19 |
| madrazr | axeld: Ok, then send an email to Sverre with your new address and ask him to associate the right address with your link_id | 20:20 |
| axeld | madrazr: where would I change that? And if my addresses are merged, why is only one of them working with melange? | 20:20 |
| madrazr | axeld: new == right | 20:20 |
| madrazr | axeld: we don't have an UI for that unfortunately :( | 20:20 |
| madrazr | axeld: SRabbelier can help you fix that though | 20:20 |
| axeld | madrazr: in melange I see the correct address and link_id | 20:20 |
| axeld | madrazr: what's his email address? | 20:21 |
| madrazr | axeld: his nick at gmail | 20:21 |
| axeld | srabbelier or sverre? | 20:21 |
| madrazr | axeld: SRabbelier | 20:21 |
| axeld | madrazr: okay, great, thanks! | 20:21 |
| madrazr | axeld: once the email is fixed, you can ask your org admin to resent the same invitation | 20:21 |
| madrazr | and you can accept it | 20:21 |
| madrazr | axeld: ideally, you should be able to do that even now. But it is too complicated to think that way for me | 20:22 |
| axeld | madrazr: what's his real name when I write him the mail? :-) | 20:25 |
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| madrazr | axeld: Sverre :) | 20:25 |
| axeld | madrazr: ah, that explains it :-) | 20:25 |
| madrazr | axeld: :) | 20:25 |
| axeld | madrazr: Mail is out, I hope he's still working :-) | 20:27 |
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| axeld | madrazr: anyway, thanks a lot so far | 20:30 |
| madrazr | axeld: NP at all | 20:31 |
| madrazr | axeld: he will reply if he is working. If he is working he is unbelievably fast :) | 20:31 |
| axeld | madrazr: so since he hasn't replied yet, he's probably not working ;) | 20:33 |
| madrazr | axeld: probably | 20:33 |
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| * malex wonders what the "Accept Proposal" button actually does at this point. There is nothing in the melange faqs | 20:59 | |
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| madrazr | malex: Hi | 21:15 |
| malex | madrazr: Hi | 21:19 |
| madrazr | malex: Accept proposal button is a way of separating this proposal from other proposals | 21:25 |
| madrazr | malex: it is like saying, I want this project in | 21:26 |
| madrazr | malex: subject to the number of slots you were given | 21:26 |
| madrazr | malex: last year, we had this ranking the proposals up/down for org admins | 21:26 |
| malex | madrazr: The number of slots given has not shown up anywhere, but the accept button is there. Weird. | 21:26 |
| madrazr | malex: this is a simpler approach to the same problem than the last year's | 21:27 |
| gevaerts | The number of slots given has not been defined yet :) | 21:27 |
| madrazr | correct | 21:27 |
| madrazr | :) | 21:27 |
| madrazr | malex: that is why I said, subject to the number of slots alloted | 21:27 |
| madrazr | :) | 21:27 |
| malex | That's what I am saying. that button should not logically appear until slots are actually in. | 21:27 |
| madrazr | malex: I am not sure about that | 21:28 |
| gevaerts | I don't really see that | 21:28 |
| madrazr | malex: I can't understand why | 21:28 |
| madrazr | malex: can you please explain? | 21:28 |
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| gevaerts | Sure, you can now "accept" more proposals than you will have slots, but that's easily corrected later, and it's still useful to mark some proposals as must-have | 21:29 |
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| madrazr | malex: and who knows you may be lucky ;-) | 21:30 |
| malex | So, in that sense number of projects that I use that button for should = # of $amazing_proposals and possibly $slots_requested (which is > $amazing proposals)? | 21:30 |
| madrazr | malex: definitely not when allocating slots | 21:30 |
| madrazr | malex: Carol and Chris won't take this into consideration at least | 21:30 |
| madrazr | malex: but if your org thinks, that is right, you can do that | 21:31 |
| malex | madrazr: Which is why that button looks like a "NoOp" at this time to me. | 21:31 |
| gevaerts | It's informational, for you | 21:32 |
| gevaerts | Ignore it if you like | 21:32 |
| malex | gevaerts: that makes sense | 21:32 |
| gevaerts | But it's still useful for some :) | 21:32 |
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| madrazr | :) | 21:35 |
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