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| forzn_ | SRabbelier: Are you available right now? I'm looking at the project ideas for Melange, and had a few questions about developing tests, and what you're looking for. | 01:02 |
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| SRabbelier | forzn: I'm actually going to bed right now, but please do send an email to our mailing list | 01:03 |
| forzn_ | Will do. I'm in Hawaii, so it's still pretty early here. | 01:03 |
| SRabbelier | forzn: hehe, it's 3am here | 01:04 |
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| ArthurLiu | interesting, we can know how many applications a student submitted before submitting ours | 01:15 |
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| forzn_ | Oh, Leo - you're listed as a mentor for the testing project as well | 01:21 |
| forzn_ | ArthurLiu: For the more fleshed out projects you have on your ideas page, specifically the test suite, do you already have students selected? | 01:23 |
| ArthurLiu | forzn_, I'm not a melange mentor | 01:23 |
| forzn_ | Ah, damn, that's ChongLiu, not ArthurLiu | 01:24 |
| forzn_ | my fault | 01:24 |
| forzn_ | apologies for the mistake | 01:24 |
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| mjohnst | hey, I am trying to build the run melange locally, but I am getting a AppConfigNotFoundError. I do have the app.yaml file in my app directory though and I am running the code from the directory i checked out. any suggestions? | 01:38 |
| mjohnst | not build the run >.< just run ^^ | 01:38 |
| mjohnst | whoa scarry face lol | 01:38 |
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| nrungta | SRabbelier do you know of any reasons why some of the accepted mentors don't show "Mentors and Admins for organizations I am an admin"? | 02:54 |
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| mayanks43 | hey do we get to see our summarized student profile on some link? | 03:25 |
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| Talad | Hi | 08:55 |
| Talad | on the student application, can the students attach a document, like a PDF? | 08:55 |
| Talad | with the actual proposal | 08:55 |
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| iandees_ | should i be receiving e-mail alerts when mentors apply? | 12:37 |
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| SRabbelier | iandees_: yes, but you don't at the moment | 12:42 |
| iandees_ | ok. i'm 3/4 of the way finished with a bug ... should I keep going or just let you fix it? :) | 12:43 |
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| SRabbelier | iandees_: go ahead and file it | 13:02 |
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| slingshot316 | madrazr: hello :) | 16:52 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: Hi | 16:53 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: can I borrow a couple of section headings from your cv please? | 16:53 |
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| madrazr | slingshot316: heh | 16:57 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: er, can I? | 16:58 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: my CV is in CC-BY (NC) | 17:00 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: I mean the content of my CV is in ... | 17:00 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: so you are free to use the content of my CV in any non-commercial use but by attributing :) | 17:01 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: sure, thank you :) | 17:01 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: also, I have my end semester exams during the community bonding period, will that be a problem :( | 17:02 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: but i will put that as a part of the schedule in the proposal though | 17:02 |
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| madrazr | slingshot316: sure | 17:28 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: if you let us know you stand higher chances | 17:28 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: the reason is we all know that many many Univs will have exams during end of April or May. So that is obvious | 17:29 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: we need to know how you manage time | 17:29 |
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| slingshot316 | madrazr: sure will do that :) | 17:30 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: sorry got dc | 17:30 |
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| madrazr | slingshot316: there are logs for you! | 17:31 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: should I strictly follow the proposal template? or can I make certain changes? | 17:31 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: yes, I read them | 17:31 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: :) | 17:31 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: it is a good idea to cover everything that we expect from you | 17:31 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: definetly will do that | 17:32 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: if you want to add something extra you are welcome, but make sure your proposal won't be too long | 17:32 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: of course we will have to read several proposals. Don | 17:32 |
| madrazr | *Don't make your proposal long and boring | 17:32 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: yea sure, will keep that in mind | 17:32 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: in 99.99% of the cases, long == boring :D | 17:33 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: yea | 17:34 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: one more doubt | 17:34 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: I'm thinking that even soc.modules.gci.tasks should be written | 17:35 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: am i right? | 17:35 |
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| madrazr | slingshot316: should be written? It is already written right? | 17:35 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: sorry rewritten | 17:36 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: i'm sorry, my bad | 17:36 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: slight modifications will be needed because we will change some data models | 17:36 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: it need not be entirely rewritten, like we do for views | 17:36 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: oh okay | 17:36 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: but will GCI models be modified? | 17:37 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: I don't have any plan to let GCITask model to be modified | 17:37 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: it is good as is | 17:37 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: yea, even I thought | 17:37 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: but models related to profiles, need to be modified of course | 17:37 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: we want to use new Profile system | 17:37 |
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| slingshot316 | madrazr: this whole idea of task work flow is really brilliant | 17:37 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: :) | 17:38 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: the code is poorly written though :D | 17:38 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: oh well :) | 17:38 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: it is a big big big mess and totally unreadable | 17:38 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: like what modifications? | 17:38 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: i mean for the profile model | 17:38 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: in this rewrite, I want to be very careful in handling those methods | 17:38 |
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| madrazr | slingshot316: like? | 17:39 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: the entire Profile system has changed now | 17:39 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: now we have one profile for user per program | 17:39 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: before we used to create org admin entities and mentor entities for user separately | 17:39 |
| madrazr | well there is more to it | 17:39 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: If i get through, I will try keeping it as organised and as readable as possible with your help :) | 17:39 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: cool! | 17:40 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: well i'm a little confused about the Profile System | 17:41 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: I have support request for Melange :P | 17:41 |
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| SRabbelier | madrazr: GO FIX IT URSELF U LAZY MEN | 17:41 |
| SRabbelier | ^__^ | 17:41 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: so a users should have different Profiles for different programs? | 17:41 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: ha ha ha ha ha :D | 17:41 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: I even thought I will file an issue for that, but was lazy to do that too :D | 17:42 |
| SRabbelier | slingshot316: correct | 17:42 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: lol | 17:42 |
| slingshot316 | SRabbelier: cool | 17:43 |
| slingshot316 | SRabbelier: can i submit my proposal to the list before i submit it on melange? | 17:44 |
| SRabbelier | slingshot316: you can, but it doesn't add much | 17:44 |
| slingshot316 | SRabbelier: oh okay | 17:44 |
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| slingshot316 | madrazr: there? | 18:17 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: yes | 18:17 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: should the views be written in user perspective | 18:18 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: i mean, should the views be seperate for mentor,org_admin,student etc? | 18:18 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: the view for the task | 18:18 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: nope | 18:19 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: as hyou | 18:19 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: sorry | 18:19 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: if the view is for a task, how it is in user's perspective? :P | 18:19 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: as you suggested, I will start off with the task view and it deals with the task status, comments for the task etc right? | 18:20 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: you can't really classify as to what/from whose perspective views are written | 18:21 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: okay | 18:21 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: we write those views we want for our workflow | 18:21 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: yes, pretty much | 18:21 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: okay, i'm a little confused about the task view, can you please make it a little clear | 18:21 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: i'm sorry if m asking for too much | 18:22 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: sure ask | 18:23 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: well in the view, we'll first check if the user exists and if the task exists and if its open/reopen | 18:24 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: and then if its open and the student claim it, both get locked | 18:24 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: and from then on the other stages are carred out? | 18:25 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: but should created and approved states be in the same task ? | 18:25 |
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| slingshot316 | madrazr: in that case for created/approved .. check_access will be different right? | 18:26 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: as only org admin can do that | 18:26 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: I don't understand your first line clearly as to check whether user exists and task exists. I am not sure where you are doing it and why | 18:27 |
| madrazr | but yes for task getting locked and carrying out other stages | 18:27 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: one second | 18:27 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: I honestly don't understand what you mean by approved and create states are in the same task | 18:28 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: A task can be in one and only one state at any given point in time | 18:28 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: just think of a state machine | 18:28 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: yes i do know that | 18:29 |
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| slingshot316 | madrazr: http://dpaste.com/526759/ | 18:29 |
| tpb | Title: dpaste: #526759: by slingshot316 (at dpaste.com) | 18:29 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: i wrote a very basic view for the task | 18:30 |
| diofeher | SRabbelier, hey, i can't submit a proposal.. i'm logged with my google account, i had an account from last year, but i have to register again | 18:30 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: in the check_access, we check wether the user has a profile in the program and then check if the task he/she claimed is present and is open/reopen | 18:31 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: is this right? | 18:31 |
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| SukhE | SRabbelier: Hi. I am unable to access the list of projects/ students from 2010. Is this expected behaviour? (2010 student here) | 18:32 |
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| SukhE | BTW, I am here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/list_projects/google/gsoc2010 | 18:33 |
| SRabbelier | SukhE: yes, we're on working on it | 18:33 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8g1d> (at www.google-melange.com) | 18:33 |
| SukhE | SRabbelier: Thanks, I just wanted to confirm. | 18:33 |
| SRabbelier | SukhE: what does it say? | 18:33 |
| SukhE | Nothing, the page loads but the list doesn't. | 18:33 |
| SRabbelier | SukhE: confirmed, that's weird | 18:34 |
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| madrazr | slingshot316: 00:00 HRS net cut ftl :P | 18:42 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: not sure what this view is doing | 18:44 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: but looks something close to our new views :) | 18:44 |
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| slingshot316 | madrazr: yes | 18:45 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: well i was talking about check_access | 18:46 |
| slingshot316 | before | 18:46 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: I saw the logs now | 18:46 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: oh okay okay | 18:47 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: sounds Ok. But that may need some refactoring. | 18:47 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: it is not necessary to go too detailed into the code at this stage | 18:47 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: oh okay okay | 18:47 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: implementation comes after the plan | 18:47 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: yea, it needs a lot of refactoring | 18:47 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: you will hurt yourself if you go too much into the implementation before you plan how to do it | 18:48 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: yes, i have made a rough plan | 18:48 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: cool! | 18:48 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: and is drafting it now :) | 18:48 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: one very interesting aspect I want to share from my GSoC project is this | 18:48 |
| madrazr | I wish there are other students who see this too | 18:48 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: planning before implementing? | 18:49 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: Lennard and myself worked together very hard, met very frequently (something like once a day specifically for planning) and prepared all the documents necessary to implement GCI module | 18:50 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: you can see them in the wiki today | 18:50 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: yes i did | 18:50 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: and went through all of them more than twice | 18:50 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: then first half of my coding period reduced to mere translation of that design to a language understood by computers | 18:50 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: thats cool! | 18:50 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: sounds very cool | 18:50 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: plan well. Minor implementation details can be dealt later | 18:51 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: now i'm understanding that design is very important aspect too | 18:51 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: and minor details are bound to change, in the very last minute | 18:51 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: sure, i will | 18:51 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: thank you for the advise | 18:51 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: NP | 18:51 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: and also for you patience :) | 18:52 |
| slingshot316 | **your | 18:52 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: LoL! thanks. I always thought I was the least patient amongst all the Melange developers :P | 18:52 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: no where close to how patient Sverre or Mario are. They always surprise me :) | 18:53 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: then i wonder how more patient the others are but you've got some really good patience | 18:53 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: i always was scared of getting a RTFM, but never got one from you and yea sverre is very patient | 18:54 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: no need to wonder. Just notice how SRabbelier takes all the questions here, on #gsoc and on the mailing lists :) | 18:54 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: yes, he very patiently went through my sloppy dashboard implementation and mockups | 18:54 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: ah! RTFMs are always motivational :) | 18:54 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: but scary too :P | 18:55 |
| madrazr | slingshot316: they are not | 18:55 |
| slingshot316 | madrazr: hm... yea when taken in a very positive way | 18:56 |
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| SRabbelier | orcuna: please don't PM me without permission | 19:55 |
| SRabbelier | orcuna: ask your questions here, so that everybody can benefit | 19:55 |
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| orcuna | SRabbelier: sorry for that | 20:16 |
| orcuna | i have a question | 20:16 |
| orcuna | i want to apply with "export to google docs" project | 20:17 |
| orcuna | do i need to submit a patch before applying? | 20:17 |
| orcuna | or can i start doing somethings about job | 20:17 |
| SRabbelier | orcuna: that's always appreciated | 20:18 |
| orcuna | i would like to fork melange and try to code startup to offer you or try to submit a patch about a general purpose. which one is a better start? | 20:21 |
| SRabbelier | orcuna: I'm not sure what you mean with "and tyr to code startup to offer you" | 20:27 |
| orcuna | i mean "try to write some code for very* early stage of project" | 20:29 |
| SRabbelier | orcuna: preferrably the latter | 20:30 |
| SRabbelier | orcuna: pick one of the recently created Priority-High issues (ask first though) | 20:30 |
| orcuna | SRabbelier: thanks for advice | 20:35 |
| orcuna | SRabbelier: ask first though ** Do you mean discuss here? | 20:35 |
| SRabbelier | orcuna: yes, ask here before starting on anything | 20:35 |
| orcuna | SRabbelier: ok, i'm seaching for an issue that suits me, thanks for now. | 20:37 |
| SRabbelier | orcuna: sure | 20:37 |
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| LetterRip | SRabbelier: I'd already discussed the issues i had | 21:15 |
| LetterRip | one was mailing lists | 21:15 |
| LetterRip | if you put in an email address then it wasn't parsed | 21:15 |
| SRabbelier | LetterRip: what about them? | 21:15 |
| SRabbelier | LetterRip: that's fixed now though, isn't it? | 21:15 |
| LetterRip | don't know, i just changed to the expected format | 21:15 |
| SRabbelier | LetterRip: it's validated now, either a url or a mailto: | 21:16 |
| LetterRip | the point i was making on the list was that it was broken during the 'rish' | 21:16 |
| LetterRip | rush | 21:16 |
| LetterRip | ie when it was mentioned on slashdot | 21:16 |
| LetterRip | was the peak traffic | 21:16 |
| LetterRip | expectation | 21:16 |
| SRabbelier | LetterRip: what rush? | 21:16 |
| LetterRip | SRabbelier: when the projects are announced initially | 21:17 |
| SRabbelier | LetterRip: there was a peak on the 23rd (before the new UI launched) | 21:17 |
| LetterRip | if you look at the traffic | 21:17 |
| SRabbelier | LetterRip: and traffic has been increasing steadily since the day before yesterday or so | 21:17 |
| SRabbelier | LetterRip: but there was no slashdot peak | 21:17 |
| LetterRip | ok | 21:17 |
| LetterRip | well i suspect that the brokenness was an issue | 21:18 |
| LetterRip | just don't know how big an issue | 21:18 |
| SRabbelier | LetterRip: about 7,370 visits from slashdot | 21:18 |
| LetterRip | SRabbelier: right but around that time is when it was posted to everywhere | 21:18 |
| LetterRip | i didn't mean /. specifically | 21:18 |
| SRabbelier | LetterRip: there's no other site that had a higher referral | 21:19 |
| LetterRip | heh i'm not communicating clearly apparently :) | 21:19 |
| LetterRip | lets say that /. does n traffic, and we have 200 sites that do n/100 | 21:19 |
| LetterRip | total traffic will be 3n | 21:20 |
| LetterRip | anywho the traffic you are seeing now is likely a lot of 'returning folks' | 21:20 |
| LetterRip | ie i'm doing regular checks | 21:20 |
| LetterRip | as are most mentors | 21:20 |
| LetterRip | anywho not saying it was a the sole issue or anything :) | 21:20 |
| LetterRip | just that it might have had an impact for some orgs | 21:21 |
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| LetterRip | any other gsoc mentor want to have a look at this proposal? doesn't seem like enough 'meat' to keep them busy for the summer - http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/jason_hays/1 | 21:52 |
| LetterRip | whoops | 21:55 |
| LetterRip | sorry wrong channel | 21:55 |
| LetterRip | hehe | 21:55 |
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