Tuesday, 2010-11-23

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kiko_can I change the mentor assigned to a particular task?00:57
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ThomasWaldmannSRabbelier: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129037966078#c101:30
tpbTitle: Show Task (at www.google-melange.com)01:30
ThomasWaldmannhave a look there, Kapace found that shocking bug :)01:30
Kapaceaccording to that, i should /really/ hurry to get this done01:30
ThomasWaldmanncompare deadline and time to complete01:31
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ThomasWaldmannhmm, he seems busy fixing bugs or so01:32
ThomasWaldmannhttp://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list there are the current issues01:33
tpbTitle: Issues - soc - Project Hosting on Google Code (at code.google.com)01:33
ThomasWaldmannKapace: you want to file a new bug there?01:34
KapaceThomasWaldmann, ok01:34
KapaceThomasWaldmann, uh-oh,  it seems to be an intermittent problem, check again now01:43
ThomasWaldmannhmm01:44
ThomasWaldmannwell, nevertheless it was/is a bug01:45
Kapaceit may be difficult to convince them :P01:51
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svakshaSRabbelier: a quick note to say melange still throws an error while submitting the mentor form.04:46
svakshathis time its "Invalid characters, only A-z, 0-9, - and whitespace are allowed." in the street address field which i've not changed.04:46
kiko_svaksha: dont use dot or comma04:48
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svakshakiko_: that entry is old (since gsoc) which i've not changed at all05:00
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svakshakiko_: also, its hard to write  indian addresses without comma, as they are long...letters would never reach their destination05:01
svakshamelange has just 2 fields which is insufficient for a complete address05:02
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dukeletoyay, i can edit tasks!05:54
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dukeletoSRabbelier: the only action i have on http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/parrot_perl_foundations/t129029991948 is "comment without action"06:03
tpb<http://ln-s.net/8-7C> (at www.google-melange.com)06:03
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dreimarkSRabbelier: see query from me06:36
dukeletoSRabbelier: is that because i edited it?06:50
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aviraldgkiko: I have some things that I need to know about the factoroids task.08:43
aviraldgkiko_: I have some things that I need to know about the factoroids task.08:43
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madrazraviraldg: like?09:08
madrazraviraldg: ah sorry09:08
madrazrdid not see that it was addressed to kiko_ :P09:09
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aviraldgmadrazr: you wouldn't happen to know something about it, would you?09:14
madrazraviraldg: definitely not :)09:14
aviraldghmmm...09:15
aviraldgokay09:15
aviraldgThey should definitely provide some contact details for all mentors... because in some cases, the tasks are not very clera09:15
aviraldg*clear09:15
fyskijhi, there's an upload form in melange?09:17
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aviraldgfyskij: yes.09:20
fyskijwhere?09:20
aviraldgfyskij: you'll find it below the task description09:20
fyskijuhm09:21
fyskijthanks09:21
aviraldgif btw.09:21
aviraldg*btw.09:21
aviraldgthat will only be show if09:21
aviraldgyou're assigned to the task09:21
fyskijyeah but i don't see anything09:21
fyskijbelow the description there's comments09:22
fyskijYou have claimed this task!09:22
aviraldgyeah09:22
aviraldgnow selec09:22
aviraldgAction >09:22
fyskijah submit work09:22
fyskijetc09:22
aviraldgSubmit work and request for review09:22
fyskijtight?09:22
fyskijright*09:22
fyskijthanks09:22
aviraldgand then it'll show the field09:22
fyskijthanks!09:22
aviraldgyou're welcome09:23
kiko_right now, the main mentor is quite busy, so im standing as a proxy to provie some answer to some questions to the task09:26
aviraldgkiko_: How many waves are there? ("infinite"?)09:27
aviraldgkiko_: Once the "base" number limit hits 17 ... what happens? Do you keep using the same pool of numbers?09:28
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svakshaWhile trying to view the task list on melange, I get a script error "A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete. "09:37
svakshaScript: http://www.google-melange.com/jlinq/jLinq-2.2.1.js:5909:37
svakshastopping the script does not help09:37
aviraldgsvaksha: for now the only "solution" is to use Google Chrome09:38
svakshaaviraldg: you get the same error on FF?09:38
* svaksha wonders if filing a bug would help09:38
aviraldgyes09:39
aviraldgI believe they're trying to fix it09:39
aviraldgalready09:40
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taleOn the list_tasks/google/cgi2010 page, the columns "Total Hours to Complete" and "Time To Complete" seem to be the same info, only unit is hours or days. Are these columns OK?09:45
kiko_tale, exactly09:47
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madrazrsvaksha: aviraldg: to correct things10:06
madrazrwe are not "trying" to fix it10:06
aviraldgyou are fixing it, yes?10:06
madrazrwe are open to feedback from users as to how we can better enable their experience10:06
madrazraviraldg: people asked for a "List All Tasks" page during GCI Dry Run period and we have provided it10:07
madrazraviraldg: and with something like 700 or 800 or whatever number of active tasks, there is a large amount of data to be loaded to lists10:07
aviraldgmadrazr: uh ... sorry for putting it like that10:07
madrazrsvaksha: it may be relevant to you also ^10:07
svakshamadrazr: i've filed a bug 1024 for the most important (for me) bit <-- inability to accept a mentor notification10:07
aviraldgI remember SRabbelier (or someone else) posting something about trying to fix that10:07
aviraldgso I replied10:08
madrazraviraldg: yes, we had a conference call yesterday and had discussion about the same10:08
madrazraviraldg: we are open to feedback, if you have any suggestions, we are happy to listen to it and possibly if many people agree about that we will implement it10:08
svakshamadrazr: earlier folks  would be able to list tasks by org <-- maybe that would reduce the load10:09
madrazrsvaksha: you can still do that10:09
madrazrsvaksha: Click on "List of participating organizations" -> Go to individual Org10:10
aviraldgmadrazr: sure10:10
madrazrthe Organization home page lists all the tasks for the Organization10:10
svakshamadrazr: ok10:10
madrazrsvaksha: but this doesn't solve the prpblem10:10
svakshamadrazr: for me atleast it doesnt10:10
madrazrsvaksha: there are always students who don't care which Organization they want the task to be of, but want say task with "Moderate" difficulty level or lower which can be completed in 48 hours10:10
madrazrsvaksha: give me the URL10:11
svakshamadrazr: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1024&sort=priority&colspec=ID%20Priority%20Status%20Type%20Owner%20Milestone%20Effort%20Skills%20Summary10:11
tpb<http://ln-s.net/8-$g> (at code.google.com)10:11
madrazrsvaksha: you are confusing stuff?10:11
madrazrsvaksha: btw why would you want to have dots/commas in your address?10:11
madrazrsvaksha: I have an Indian address as well10:12
madrazrsvaksha: Room number so&so Such a hostel IIT-whichever PINCODE India10:12
madrazrsvaksha: I can write my address like that without comma10:12
svakshamadrazr: i cant give an address without commas (scroll up for kiko_ comments)10:12
madrazrsvaksha: the courier guy can still understand it10:12
aviraldgmadrazr: IIT :)10:12
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madrazrsvaksha: why not?10:13
svakshamadrazr: IIT is not all of india10:13
madrazrsvaksha: that was an example10:13
svakshaand i've not changed the address, so why is it suddenly rejecting10:13
madrazrsvaksha: do you want me to give my house address without comma and dots? :P10:13
aviraldgno ... I meant ... madrazr ... you're a student at IIT?10:13
svakshamadrazr: that is not the point10:14
madrazraviraldg: no I am Research staff at IIT Bombay10:14
aviraldgnice :)10:14
madrazrsvaksha: cool! the point is you can still give address without commas or dots right?10:14
aviraldgyeah10:14
aviraldgI entered my the "normal" way and it rejected it10:14
aviraldgso I entered it without the commas10:14
svakshamadrazr: the point is, its the same address (with commas) that i used during gsoc, not changed, so why is it rejecting?10:15
svakshathe commas have not been added now, so if it accepted it earlier, what is the problem in the system now?10:15
svakshamadrazr: it would be nicer if you checked why this new error cropped up10:16
madrazrsvaksha: because we changed our form validator10:17
madrazrsvaksha: If I remember correctly that is10:17
svakshamadrazr: exactly, so its not the users fault then10:17
madrazrsvaksha: I don't think so10:17
madrazrsvaksha: you can enter the address without commas for now, and become the mentor and help students10:18
madrazrsvaksha: SRabbelier knows exactly about cleaners and stuff, when he has time later during the day I am quite sure he will answer to issue 102410:18
madrazrsvaksha: s/cleaners/validators/10:18
madrazrsvaksha: you can always edit your mentor form and hence your address10:19
madrazraviraldg: cool!10:19
svakshamadrazr: i can enter another address (which would be useless) so my point being, i cant remove the commas as the address wont make sense to the person who delivers stuff. IIRC, the point of GCI/GSOC asking for address is for a purpose and that is lost if you have strict validators.10:20
svakshamadrazr: please do point SRabbelier to this discussion if you get a chance10:21
madrazrsvaksha: most of the validators other than those of common sense are not because Melange developers want it that way10:21
madrazrsvaksha: it is mostly because Google's shipping dept or some other dept want it that way10:21
aviraldgactually if you have a two line address (house number and street) then you shouldn't have a problem with removing the commas10:22
madrazrsvaksha: I still don't understand why removing comma won't make sense10:22
svakshamadrazr: i'm not aware of the details so i wont comment on those or the internals. However my point about the address being useless sans commas is a valid problem. It would be nicer if you (or someone else) understood this.10:22
* svaksha has to go now10:22
madrazrsvaksha: I am sorry, I really don't see it at all and hence don't understand. I have a very very long permanent address (Indian address), not of IIT. And if I remove commas it doesn't change much10:23
madrazrof course it looks a bit awkward to the postman/courier guy because we won't write it that way as convention in India10:24
madrazrbut they can still make out the address10:24
madrazrsvaksha: see you10:24
madrazrsvaksha: and it definitely doesn't make sense, if we provided you to enter commas and the courier company stripped those commas in the way they want and messed up your address10:25
svakshamadrazr: that isnt true for all parts of our country. I've had trouble with couriers who refuse to deliver packages if the address is written jumbled in a single or two lines.10:25
madrazrso it is much better you provide the address as best as possible10:25
svakshamadrazr: it would help if you could see others perspective. just because you have no problems does not mean its true for others10:26
svakshaaviraldg: in india, its usually a bit long, say, "opp...building name" "near...another landmark" etc..10:27
madrazrsvaksha: I agree your point here, but I am failing to see the problem here. I am failing to see, how will "just stripping out" commas change things10:27
svakshamadrazr: because it does not allow me to submit the form with commas.10:27
aviraldgmadrazr : can anyone work on the melange project?10:27
aviraldg(as in contribute patches)10:27
madrazraviraldg: why not? It is an open source project10:27
madrazrcontribute patches10:28
aviraldghmmm ... nice ... I can have a look then10:28
svakshaaviraldg: thanks :)10:28
madrazrsvaksha: anyways, we have reached a moot point now. I don't see much point in continuing further with this discussion. Issue 1024 exists. If Sverre thinks we can add it back we will10:28
madrazrsvaksha: it is left to his decision now10:28
madrazraviraldg: awesome! we will be happy to receive patches from you10:29
madrazr:)10:29
madrazraviraldg: more contributers, the merrier10:29
svakshamadrazr: yes, you refuse to see my perspective and that isnt helping the discussion10:29
madrazrsvaksha: sure10:29
* svaksha leaves10:29
madrazrsvaksha: see you10:29
aviraldgmadrazr: yeah10:30
madrazrsvaksha: I can tell you now, the code comment clearly says this field must comply with Google's character requirements for shipping. From the code "Clean method for cleaning a field that must comply with Google's character   requirements for shipping"10:33
madrazrSo this is a requirement from Google10:33
madrazrif we allow you to put commas also, it will be very likely stripped later10:33
madrazrand we don't want to give false impressions on Melange10:34
svakshamadrazr: will google know where to punctuate my address later?10:36
madrazrsvaksha: I don't know how to explain it to you10:37
fyskijYou have successfully completed this task. Sign up as a student before you proceed further.10:38
fyskijwhat means?10:38
aviraldgfyskij: click on the "Register As A Student" link in the sidebar10:39
aviraldgyou need to fill out some details10:39
svakshamadrazr: if you dont want commas, then increase the fields so people could provide the information google needs. to repeat myself, what works for one person may not be true for others.10:39
madrazrfyskij: It means you have to register on the site as a student10:40
svakshamadrazr: right now i have not changed anything in that form and yet it rejects it. how do you plan to solve this problem is what i'm interested in, not arguing about melange or gci10:40
madrazrfyskij: you must be able to see a Apply as a student link on your left hand sidebar10:41
fyskijmadrazr, ok thanks10:41
madrazrsvaksha: I don't know if we will solve this problem. If I were the one who was supposed to make the final call, I would have left it as is.10:42
madrazrsvaksha: But fortunately for you, there is Sverre or Carol. If they think we should make this thing possible, we will fix it for you10:42
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svakshamadrazr: my short term goal is mentoring, not nitpicking melange development. But since it stops me from mentoring I had to file a bug. Just to be clear.10:44
madrazrsvaksha: sure, we are really happy that you filed a bug10:45
madrazrsvaksha: I am not telling anything against it, we love people filing bugs. It is the best way to get feedback and improve10:45
madrazrsvaksha: I was arguing about this only to know how things change for you10:45
svakshamadrazr: its the difference between a package/letter reaching and not. If Google didnt need that address for a purpose, they would not be asking ..right? Hence its my job to provide the correct addresss and do it right the first time, instead of bugging Carol later.10:47
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madrazrsvaksha: definitely, they want address for a reason. You might have seen Carol's mail on gci-discuss list :)10:50
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madrazrsvaksha: just to bring some liveliness to this discussion, how about putting "COMMA" :D :D10:53
madrazr?10:53
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svakshamadrazr: sounds nice, but not sure how workable it will be. Cant discuss more now, bit busy. see ya later11:03
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madrazrsvaksha: was just kidding. See you and thanks for your time and filing the issue. We will update you about it ASAP11:04
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dreimarkmadrazr: we have a closed tasks which has still NeedsReview tag11:20
dreimarkhttp://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t12903796607811:20
dreimarkSRabbelier: ^11:21
tpb<http://ln-s.net/8-+i> (at www.google-melange.com)11:21
dreimarknot sure who of you is responsible ;)11:21
madrazrdreimark: any of us. Melange team is :P11:21
dreimarkit is fixed iteslefs11:22
madrazrdreimark: The task is closed11:22
dreimarkit has a delay11:22
madrazrdreimark: delay as in?11:22
dreimarknow it appears in the right table11:22
madrazrdreimark: blame appengine :)11:22
dreimarkanother question i got this morning11:22
madrazrdreimark: yes?11:23
dreimarkwhy can no mentors of moin suggest tasks11:23
dreimarkList of non-public tasks.11:23
dreimarkhttp://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/list_org_tasks/google/gci2010/moinmoin11:23
tpb<http://ln-s.net/8+l1> (at www.google-melange.com)11:23
madrazrdreimark: I cannot view this page because I am not registered as mentor/org admin on your org11:24
madrazrdreimark: but I did not quite get the problem11:24
madrazrdreimark: if somebody has registered as mentor to your organization, he can suggest tasks11:24
dreimarkis it not needed to approve the mentorship?11:25
madrazrdreimark: it is11:25
madrazrdreimark: he is not a mentor until you approve the mentorship11:25
dreimarkyou mean if i add me to e.g. debian i immiadetly can add tasks? without any communication to them?11:27
* fyskij is away: I'm busy11:28
madrazrdreimark: you cannot add yourself as mentor without communication with the org admin11:30
madrazrdreimark: you have to apply to become a mentor, which the org admin accepts and sends you an invite11:30
madrazrdreimark: you have to accept the invite to fill up the mentor profile form on which you become the mentor11:30
madrazrdreimark: for Debian11:31
madrazrdreimark: you "must" go through this 3-way handshake11:31
madrazrdreimark: only then you can suggest tasks11:31
dreimarkis this verified?11:31
dreimarkbecause we require for becoming mentor approvment to talk to us on irc11:32
dreimarkand there was no talk to us11:32
dreimarkbut there is a task now11:32
dreimarkThomasWaldmann: ^11:32
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dreimark(the task is not a bad one, but it would be easier if communicated first)11:36
madrazrdreimark: I think yes11:36
dreimarkthe mentor is unknown to us, i guess it is a bug11:38
dreimarkbbl11:39
madrazrdreimark: Oh!11:40
dreimarkmadrazr: solved, thomas accepted11:40
dreimarkhim11:40
madrazrdreimark: see :)11:41
dreimarkwithout telling11:41
dreimarkyeah11:41
madrazrdreimark: Melange is not so crappy :P11:41
dreimarkmadrazr: yeah, i know - that was confusing11:42
madrazrdreimark: :)11:43
* dreimark gets some lunch bbl now11:43
ThomasWaldmannit was partly because mentors can't see who else is mentor, seems like only org admins have that view11:57
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aviraldgkiko: I've completed the task.12:35
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_kikohi, where can I request to approve the newly added suggested task?13:56
madrazr_kiko: there is no place for that13:58
madrazr_kiko: you need to basically ask your OrgAdmin13:58
_kikomadrazr: thanks for the info.13:59
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DrJoelSRabbelier: Good Morning.. do you have a second to look at a task causing an error?  We have one task which gives a server error.  The student is ready for review but we can't :(14:10
DrJoelhttp://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/rtems/t128933973062#c800214:10
SRabbelierDrJoel: yeah, I'm deploying the fix now :)14:11
DrJoelSRabbelier: Thanks.  Is everyone as much trouble as we are? I feel like we keep breaking things14:11
SRabbelierDrJoel: hahah, everybody is breaking stuff left and right14:11
DrJoelI am glad for me that it is not just us but feel sorry for you.  :(14:12
SRabbelierDrJoel: haha, np :)14:12
DrJoelI may have another weird one14:13
madrazrDrJoel: we are ready for the challenge. Break however we want. I will rise against the challenge :P14:13
madrazrs/however we/however you/14:13
DrJoelThat's great madrazr !!!14:13
madrazr:P14:13
madrazrs/I will/We will/14:13
DrJoelI was helping my son register last night and sign up for a Wesnoth task... I ended up having to help him .. Here is the path14:14
DrJoelStart here http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/index.html.. click on Wesnoth14:14
DrJoelthat has a list of tasks at the bottom14:14
DrJoelclick on the first one ... There is no such published task.14:14
SRabbelierDrJoel: that's curious14:16
DrJoelthat's what I thought ..14:16
DrJoelFWIW he has a P4/2.6 Ghz computer with 768MB RAM.. Win XP and Firefox .. not awesome but should be good enough to do load the entire list of tasks.  It took FOREVER.. when it finally got through loading it, it was fine.14:18
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SRabbelierDrJoel: heh, okay14:20
SRabbelierDrJoel: for your pleasure: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=102814:21
tpb<http://ln-s.net/8-AT> (at code.google.com)14:21
DrJoelWhat causes that?14:24
DrJoelis that our server 500 error?14:24
madrazrDrJoel: sloppy me :)14:28
DrJoelmadrazr: :(  it happens.. you guys are slinging code like mad (pun intended)14:33
madrazrDrJoel: heh that was a nice one :)14:35
madrazrDrJoel: thanks for understanding14:35
madrazrDrJoel: I think I have fixed that 500, but I am also on fixing the problem you had Wesnoth14:35
madrazrDrJoel: we will deploy the new release once that is fixed14:35
DrJoelthanks..14:51
DrJoelFWIW the "loading... loading..." does take a long time .. I don't know what can be done about it.  We use a FOSS tables.js for some sortable tables on test reports for RTEMS and they are amazingly faster http://www.rtems.org/ftp/pub/rtems/people/joel/coverage/erc32-O2pd-20101021-1831/uncovered.html14:52
tpb<http://ln-s.net/8-B9> (at www.rtems.org)14:52
SRabbelierDrJoel: it's not the JS that's slow14:56
SRabbelierDrJoel: just takes the server a while14:56
SRabbelierDrJoel: it's a lot of data :P14:56
aviraldgSRabbelier: why does it hang, then?14:57
SRabbelieraviraldg: ah, that _is_ a client side problem, I'll admit14:58
SRabbelierbut I somewhat doubt that tables.js will be that much faster with this much data14:58
aviraldg+ I was monitoring network traffic when the loading screen was shown and there was little to no traffic14:58
SRabbelierDrJoel: the rtems task is fixed15:08
SRabbelierDrJoel: and http://socghop.appspot.com/gci/org/home/google/gci2010/wesnoth no longer lists task that aren't available15:08
tpb<http://ln-s.net/8-BQ> (at socghop.appspot.com)15:08
DrJoelahhh.. that was the problem15:12
DrJoeland the 500 server error is fixed.  Thank you.  I will tell Jennifer it needs reviewing..15:13
DrJoelmaybe we have our second task completed15:13
DrJoelTask was for logo design.. check this out: http://img401.imageshack.us/i/rtemswhitebg.jpg/15:39
tpbTitle: ImageShack: Host and Share your Photos and Videos - rtemswhitebg.jpg (at img401.imageshack.us)15:39
madrazrDrJoel: IIT Bombay doesn't like you :P   "Access Currently Denied!   IIT Bombay web access is designed to cater to  your ACADEMIC needs."16:09
DrJoelmadrazr: :(16:14
madrazrDrJoel: I have tunnels :P I just enabled it. Seeing the logo now16:15
madrazrDrJoel: I am just amazed to know the power of small tasks and hence GCI16:15
madrazr:)16:15
DrJoelwhat do you think?16:16
DrJoelShe did a version on black and it would look awesome on a black t-shirt16:16
madrazrDrJoel: this is freaking awesome! RTEMS should make a call to change the logo with this one :P16:16
madrazrDrJoel: I just saw that too, on the task (because that was the one with error)16:16
madrazrDrJoel: the black one is much more awesome. It looks like fireworks in the dark sky.16:17
DrJoelI thought so too.  I asked her if she was willing to make a Christmas version of it.  If she is willing, it becomes a new task.  I think it would look cool with a Christmas them.16:17
madrazrDrJoel: ha ha you are clever ;-) Christmas coming close ...16:18
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DrJoelBoth look great.  Depends on what you are using them for and the color scheme.16:18
madrazrDrJoel: this one with black background looks so grand16:18
madrazrDrJoel: yeah agreed :)16:19
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MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: The assigned mentor list on tasks, does that actually do anything?17:38
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: it allows the mentor to change the status of the item17:38
SRabbeliers/item/task17:39
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: So, every time I add a mentor I need to go through all the tasks and all them?17:39
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: ... assuming you want all the mentors to be responsible for all the tasks... then yes?17:39
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: the epxected workflow is that a mentor "owns" a task17:39
MatthewWilkesRight… so I can't just have a group of people that have access to accept requests and review work, I need to specifically add new ones as they sign up17:40
MatthewWilkesand if a task is missed out everyone is blocked until an admin comes along and adds a new mentor17:41
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: each task has at least one mentor, so there should be no "blocking"17:41
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: So, once it has a mentor assigned any mentor can edit it?17:42
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: no, just the mentor that's assigned to it17:42
MatthewWilkesSo it is blocked until that mentor is back online/awake/etc17:42
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: yes17:42
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: sounds like you need a different kind of workflow17:42
MatthewWilkesSorry, I shouldn't have assumed it would be the same as last time17:43
MatthewWilkesif I had realised I wouldn't have assigned them all to me for expediency's sake17:43
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: wait17:43
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: looks like I'm wrong17:43
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: apparently any mentor in your organization can change the task status17:43
MatthewWilkesthat's great news17:44
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: sorry for the confusion :P17:44
* MatthewWilkes is dealing with "That's too confusing, can't you just email me?"17:44
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: what is too confusing?17:45
MatthewWilkesthe melange site17:45
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: It's not that hard :P17:45
MatthewWilkesMeh, it's annoying enough for me and I know it, I'm having difficulty getting people to step up, my problem, not yours17:46
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: we'll be hiring EchoDitto to improve the GCI ui as well, but if you have any usability improvement suggestions now, more than welcome :)17:47
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: Sure, ditch the jquery tables and use things that don't cause the page to jump around like crazy ;)17:48
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: jump around?17:49
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: any suggestions on how to present 500 entities to the user in such a way that they can search it, filter it, and sort it?17:49
MatthewWilkesthe tables load at different times after page load, causes you to be suddenly looking at the wrong table17:49
MatthewWilkesWeb pages shouldn't have the content area move around after load, we both know this, and we both know the reason you have to do it17:50
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: we've contemplated not populating the lists till loading is done :P17:50
madrazrMatthewWilkes: SRabbelier: Just to make this discussion more lively, we all three know that we use Appengine :)17:51
* MatthewWilkes spits on the ground17:51
MatthewWilkesPoS tech ;)17:51
madrazrMatthewWilkes: Isn't that illegal? ;-)17:51
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: it's actually scaling pretty nicely, we had a surge of traffic yesterday when the program started, and it didn't phase it17:52
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: It's scaling nicely because you've had to write shitty unusable forms to get around its limitations17:52
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: unusable forms?17:53
MatthewWilkeslike the view tasks list17:53
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: would a SQL database handle a 500-row query fast enough?17:54
MatthewWilkesdude, I don't give a shit about the technical implementation here, you know I know what the problems are, but there ARE problems that you've had to work around which makes some bits of the webapp less than nice to use17:55
MatthewWilkesSorry, I'm a user today, not a casual contributor ;)17:56
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: Sure, that's true, but our problem right now seems to be client-side performance more than GAE being slow17:56
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: And the reason that's your problem is because you're using these datagrid things instead of a normal HTML UI17:57
MatthewWilkesbecause you can't use a normal UI, because GAE can't handle it17:57
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: That wouldn't solve users wanting to sort though, would it?17:57
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: Dude, you can sort on google code's issue tracker17:57
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: although I guess you could do a "full" page refresh when changing the sort order17:57
MatthewWilkeslike almost every web app in the world ;)17:58
SRabbelierawr17:58
SRabbelierbtw17:58
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/list17:58
tpbTitle: Issues - chromium - Project Hosting on Google Code (at code.google.com)17:58
SRabbeliernotice that it's paginated :P17:58
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: Notice it shows more than 5 items and doesn't have multiple grids on the page?17:59
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: we can join the multiple grids if that's your main issue17:59
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: and I can set the default list size to a higher number too17:59
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MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: It's a big issue for me, but don't know if that will help with the current layout, the filter for status isn't an enum, for example18:04
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: that can easily be fixed too18:05
MatthewWilkesThat would probably be awesome then, for me anyway18:05
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: can you create a http://tinyurl.com/new-issue for those things?18:05
tpbTitle: Google Project Hosting (at tinyurl.com)18:05
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: Sure, later though, I'm cat herding now the work day is over18:06
MatthewWilkesmanaged to sign up 2 new mentors by direct bugging18:06
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: sweet, good luck with that then :)18:06
MatthewWilkes:)18:07
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dukeletoIt would be pretty awesome if ClaimRequests were in a different section than Claimed tasks. Should I add a ticket for that?19:21
dukeletoSRabbelier: ^^^19:22
SRabbelierdukeleto: in which view?19:22
dukeletoSRabbelier: the "org admin viewing all tasks" view19:23
SRabbelierdukeleto: heh, MatthewWillekes actually asked for those views to be combined and instead have the Status column have a dropdown19:24
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dukeletoMatthewWilkes--19:25
dukeletoMatthewWilkes--19:25
SRabbelierlol19:25
SRabbelierwhy do you want multiple lists?19:26
dukeletoSRabbelier: i am supposed to take action on http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/parrot_perl_foundations/t129033176090 but my only action is "comment without action"19:26
tpb<http://ln-s.net/8-HM> (at www.google-melange.com)19:26
dukeletoSRabbelier: :(19:26
dukeletoSRabbelier: it seems that the task expired, and got 24hrs added to it automagically?19:26
SRabbelierdukeleto: action needed by the student19:26
dukeletoSRabbelier: hmm. hokey dokey19:28
SRabbelierdukeleto: you can fight out http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1029  with matthew :P19:30
tpb<http://ln-s.net/8-HR> (at code.google.com)19:30
dukeletoSRabbelier: my time is too valuable. But thanks for trolling :)19:31
SRabbelierdukeleto: he, what am I supposed to do with you two19:32
SRabbelierdukeleto: your turn @ issue 1029 :P19:38
* DrJoel wonders why dukeletos'19:46
* DrJoel wonders why dukeletos' opinion would matter LOL19:46
* SRabbelier has good news19:46
SRabbelierMario achieved a couple order of magnitude speedup on the Melange lists19:47
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DrJoelYEAH!!19:52
SRabbelierDrJoel: give them a try :)19:54
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dukeletoSRabbelier: it is possible to turn off the horrific javascript WYSIWYG editor for input forms? Is there a user config option for that?20:05
dukeletoSRabbelier: it makes It's All Text not work => :(20:05
SRabbelierdukeleto: I'm glad you asked20:05
SRabbelierdukeleto: yes, yes there is20:05
SRabbelierdukeleto: it's pretty obivous and huge too20:05
SRabbelierdukeleto: try the "Edit user profile" link ;)20:05
dukeletoDisable tinymce!20:06
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SRabbelierdukeleto: indeed!20:06
* dukeleto will be 20 times more efficient now20:07
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dukeletoBe afraid.20:07
* SRabbelier is afraid, very afraid20:07
* DrJoel says the master task list takes 9 seconds to load for me now.. still appears to be refreshing after that but much better20:10
DrJoeldukeleto can now create bugs 20 times faster20:11
SRabbelierDrJoel: that's just server latency I think20:11
DrJoelprobably.. a reload appeared to be a bit faster20:11
DrJoelping time for me to google-melange.com is 25-75 ms20:12
SRabbelierDrJoel: s/server latency/appengine being a slow pita/20:12
DrJoel:) but still much better...20:14
* DrJoel hopes his son gets his task finished today20:15
dukeletoDrJoel: is he doing an rtems task?20:16
DrJoelno.. that is against the rules as I understand them.. he is doing a Wesnoth task20:16
DrJoelthey are more fun20:16
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ThomasWaldmannmoin :)20:18
rfwhi20:18
rfwi'm doing GCI and i think i found a bug in melange20:18
rfwthis 7 day task i have tells me i have 56 minutes left20:18
ThomasWaldmannwe had that also :)20:18
rfwah20:19
ThomasWaldmanndid you claim 4 minutes ago?20:19
rfwi don't _really_ have 56 minutes left do i20:19
rfwno20:19
rfwi claimed yesterday20:19
ThomasWaldmann1day and 4 minutes ago?20:19
rfwoh20:19
rfwsomeone just forgot to put the date in the format string?20:19
dukeletoSRabbelier: is there a public view to list all tasks for an organization?20:20
dukeletoSRabbelier: just one org, not all orgs tasks20:20
ThomasWaldmannrfw: make screenshots and file a bug20:20
ThomasWaldmannrfw: the bug might vanish again in 55 minutes20:20
SRabbelierdukeleto: yes20:20
SRabbelierdukeleto: it's linked to from the "accepted orgs" page20:20
dukeletoSRabbelier: you sure?20:21
dukeletoSRabbelier: i am looking at http://www.google-melange.com/gci/program/accepted_orgs/google/gci201020:21
SRabbelierdukeleto: only if the org has created a home document; I've got a fix brewing that will automatically create it if they haven't made one20:21
dukeletoSRabbelier: and when i click on an org, i get their profile20:21
tpbTitle: List all accepted organizations (at www.google-melange.com)20:21
SRabbelierdukeleto: yeah, if it says /show instead of /home...20:21
dukeletoSRabbelier: but where is the list of an Orgs task list?20:21
nattofriendstype the org's name in and press enter20:22
dukeletoa home document?20:22
dukeletoSRabbelier: where do i create such a thing?20:22
nattofriendsin the show all tasks page20:22
dukeletoOf course, how intuitive...20:22
SRabbeliernattofriends: that's not what I meant20:22
nattofriendso20:23
SRabbelierdukeleto: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/org/home/google/gci2010/plone20:23
tpb<http://ln-s.net/8-IV> (at www.google-melange.com)20:23
SRabbelierdukeleto: like that20:23
SRabbelierdukeleto: or http://www.google-melange.com/gci/org/home/google/gci2010/wesnoth20:23
tpb<http://ln-s.net/8-IX> (at www.google-melange.com)20:23
rfwthere, reported20:26
rfwoh there's a nattofriends in here too20:26
nattofriendswhy hello rfw20:27
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fyError: Server Error20:51
fyThe server encountered an error and could not complete your request.20:51
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kreneskypalso getting a server error, some students reported it to me too21:20
jacktheripperhere too. What's up with it ?21:22
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fyError: Server Error22:03
fyThe server encountered an error and could not complete your request.22:03
c_schmitzyep, same here22:03
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c_schmitzlooks like it is down22:03
jacktheripper:S22:03
c_schmitzah, it is back22:05
jacktherippergood22:06
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dukeletowhat does a "featured" document mean?23:16
dukeletoSRabbelier: ^^^23:16
SRabbelierdukeleto: shows up in the sidebar for your organization23:17
dukeletoSRabbelier: how do i make a "home" document, so i can see all my orgs tasks listed below it?23:17
SRabbelierdukeleto: says so in the help text..23:17
SRabbelierdukeleto: just make a document, and set it's link id in your org profile23:17
dukeletoSRabbelier: which help text?23:18
SRabbelierdukeleto: the one you see when you click on the box :D23:18
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dukeletoSRabbelier: is melange planning a "preview" mode for editing stuff?23:37
SRabbelierdukeleto: editing stuff?23:37
SRabbelierdukeleto: TinyMCE is our preview mode ;P23:38
dukeletoSRabbelier: that is sick and twisted23:40
dukeletoSRabbelier: but I should expect that by now...23:40
SRabbelierdukeleto: everybody seems to be doing just fine with it ;)23:41
dukeletoSRabbelier: of course they are. You can23:41
dukeleto't hear someone scream on the interwebs.23:41
* dukeleto blames the cat for an early <Enter>23:41
SRabbelierdukeleto: Exactly!23:41
SRabbelierdukeleto: in fact, I think that should be a macro23:44
SRabbelierdukeleto: "On the internet, nobody hears you scream"23:44

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