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| madrazr | how is adding sub org related to diffs? | 00:00 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: I means to say, for diffs I we have to use library and I specified it there. But what about other like sub-orgs. According to me, to create sub orgs we need to add some lines of code not like diffs. So for this, do I have to give example code in techincal detail section? | 00:03 |
| madrazr | jasvir: what does sub orgs have to do with diffs | 00:04 |
| madrazr | ? | 00:04 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Nothing to do with. I am giving example of diff that for diff we can use a library so I specified it there. But sub orgs is not like diffs. | 00:05 |
| madrazr | if it is not like diffs | 00:05 |
| jasvir | madrazr: for sub orgs, we need to add some line of codes. | 00:05 |
| madrazr | what does it have to do now? | 00:05 |
| madrazr | I am seriously missing something here | 00:05 |
| madrazr | am I misreading something? | 00:06 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Forget about previous messages. Let me explain it from 0. | 00:06 |
| madrazr | Ok | 00:07 |
| jasvir | madrazr: I am talking about two task specified in my proposal. One is implementing diffs and other is impelementing sub orgs. | 00:07 |
| madrazr | jasvir: Oh! | 00:07 |
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| madrazr | why are you doing that? | 00:07 |
| jasvir | madrazr: For implementing diffs, we need a library so I specified it there. | 00:07 |
| madrazr | read my points from the logs earlier today | 00:07 |
| madrazr | to ashish | 00:08 |
| madrazr | jasvir: please read the logs first | 00:08 |
| madrazr | before we proceed any further | 00:08 |
| jasvir | madrazr: ok | 00:08 |
| matzipan | Hey guys, I'm getting an error. After granting access to my Google Account, I'm getting a 414 "Request URI too large" | 00:08 |
| matzipan | logging in from an anonymous browser session seems to fix the problem | 00:09 |
| madrazr | matzipan: yeah, Google OAUTH weirdness that is | 00:09 |
| madrazr | :) | 00:09 |
| madrazr | matzipan: whenever we see that problem our recommended workaround is just what you did :) | 00:09 |
| olly | if only you knew some people who worked at google | 00:10 |
| madrazr | matzipan: to try registering in a private session | 00:10 |
| madrazr | olly: so true :P | 00:10 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Oh wow!! | 00:10 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Thats what I am looking for | 00:10 |
| madrazr | jasvir: for? | 00:10 |
| madrazr | jasvir: http://www.thousandparsec.net/~irc/%23melange/%23melange.2014-03-17.log.html#t2014-03-17T19:58:49 | 00:12 |
| madrazr | this is what I am referring to | 00:12 |
| tpb | Title: Monday, 2014-03-17 (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 00:12 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: Yeah. I am reading that. | 00:13 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: It is pretty long discussion. Do I go through from start to end? | 00:19 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: Only list of ideas is enough? | 00:23 |
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| madrazr | jasvir: I mean to say | 00:32 |
| madrazr | proposing two entirely different things as a single GSoC project is a bad idea | 00:32 |
| madrazr | I hope you read that part | 00:32 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: You talked about GCI project in GSoC. | 00:33 |
| shikher | madrazr: ping | 00:34 |
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| madrazr | shikher: pong | 00:35 |
| madrazr | shikher: no matter what comments you get on your GDocs proposal | 00:36 |
| madrazr | you should get it into the system first | 00:36 |
| madrazr | shikher: submit it on Melange | 00:36 |
| madrazr | shikher: if we need improvements even after deadline we can do that outside google-melange.com too | 00:36 |
| madrazr | shikher: but without having your proposal in the system before deadline at all we can't do anything | 00:36 |
| jasvir | madrazr: 2-3 days agos, I asked you that Is it necessary that I have to solve all issues listed on idea page and you answer was "ideally yes". So I concluded from that project is about solve all issues. | 00:36 |
| madrazr | shikher: please, please submit whatever the best proposal you think you have so far | 00:37 |
| shikher | madrazr: yes. i'm so sorry for delaying the submission. exams. writing a paper for a conference. other stuff also. | 00:37 |
| madrazr | shikher: you don't have to be sorry :) | 00:37 |
| jasvir | madrazr: So, please clarify it. You mean I should concentrate only on diff feature? | 00:37 |
| madrazr | we haven't started reviewing any proposals yet other than marking obvious spams | 00:38 |
| shikher | madrazr: u will find it before u go to sleep. thts a promise, more to myself than to u. :) | 00:38 |
| madrazr | shikher: ^ | 00:38 |
| madrazr | shikher: good! | 00:38 |
| madrazr | jasvir: diff feature is well worth a GSoC project IMO | 00:39 |
| shikher | madrazr: the reason I pinged u was tht, wat do u think about saving a whole proposal in the blobstore? | 00:40 |
| madrazr | shikher: I am not a fan of the idea :) | 00:40 |
| shikher | madrazr: too many resources? | 00:40 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Please check out this : http://www.thousandparsec.net/~irc/%23melange/%23melange.2014-03-13.log.html#t2014-03-13T07:53:21 | 00:40 |
| tpb | Title: Thursday, 2014-03-13 (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 00:40 |
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| madrazr | shikher: whenever even someone uses the word Blobstore my reaction is like "Run. Run from here" | 00:41 |
| madrazr | :D | 00:41 |
| madrazr | shikher: not resources | 00:41 |
| madrazr | shikher: blobstore is such a weird API | 00:41 |
| madrazr | shikher: why would you want to use blobstore for storing data? | 00:42 |
| madrazr | shikher: the weirdness comes from the very first thing about blobstore | 00:42 |
| shikher | madrazr: doesn't melange use it? | 00:42 |
| madrazr | shikher: to store your data in a blobstore you need to get a separate blobstore URL | 00:42 |
| madrazr | send your request there first | 00:42 |
| madrazr | blobstore will strip out all the blob like content from your HTTP request | 00:43 |
| madrazr | store it in the blobstore | 00:43 |
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| madrazr | and then rewrite your HTTP request entirely | 00:43 |
| madrazr | along with headers | 00:43 |
| madrazr | and send it back to your application | 00:43 |
| madrazr | there is this period/phase when you totally lose control of your data | 00:44 |
| jasvir | madrazr: So can I concenrate on diff feature only? | 00:44 |
| madrazr | I don't like that | 00:44 |
| madrazr | shikher: we use it where it is inevitable | 00:44 |
| shikher | madrazr: are u saying the data is not secure? | 00:44 |
| madrazr | shikher: no no, OMG no | 00:45 |
| madrazr | I did not say anything about security | 00:45 |
| shikher | madrazr: then wat do u mean by lose control? | 00:45 |
| madrazr | shikher: it is about not knowing what is going on | 00:45 |
| madrazr | shikher: for example, the biggest problem we had for a long time was the way blobstore rewrote HTTP requests | 00:46 |
| madrazr | after stripping out the blob content | 00:46 |
| madrazr | shikher: on the local SDK it would use Python's email module from standard library to rewrite the HTTP request | 00:46 |
| madrazr | and this email module would use the platform specific line endings | 00:47 |
| madrazr | which meant on Linux it used LF as line ending | 00:47 |
| madrazr | but the RFC for HTTP requests require CRLF as line endings | 00:48 |
| madrazr | which broke all our frameworks on SDK when we were developing blobstore related features | 00:48 |
| madrazr | this was a major headache | 00:48 |
| madrazr | for a long time I had a Django middleware patch for local SDK that would rewrite all the requests again after getting it back from Blobstore to make LF to CRLF | 00:49 |
| madrazr | shikher: this is what I mean by losing control of our own data | 00:49 |
| madrazr | shikher: we don't know what Blobstore does in between | 00:49 |
| madrazr | and we cannot control that | 00:49 |
| shikher | madrazr: yes | 00:49 |
| madrazr | shikher: avoid blobstore at all costs when you can | 00:50 |
| madrazr | jasvir: I think that is a good idea | 00:50 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Ok. | 00:51 |
| madrazr | jasvir: I may be contradicting myself here | 00:51 |
| olly | the first rule of blobstore is you don't use blobstore? | 00:51 |
| madrazr | sorry for the confusion | 00:51 |
| shikher | madrazr: ok. so we have ndb datastore and drive as the alternatives that I am aware of. any others? | 00:51 |
| madrazr | olly: try avoiding blobstore until it becomes inevitable | 00:51 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Is that enough for GSoC ? | 00:51 |
| madrazr | jasvir: does mentor and student flow list both diff feature | 00:52 |
| madrazr | and sub organizations for umbrella orgs? | 00:52 |
| jasvir | madrazr: no | 00:52 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Only mentor flow list. | 00:52 |
| madrazr | jasvir: Ok. I am not contradicting myself then (yet :P) | 00:52 |
| madrazr | jasvir: wait, mentor flow lists both of them? | 00:53 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Yeah | 00:53 |
| madrazr | sub org and diffs? | 00:53 |
| madrazr | jasvir: that's weird | 00:53 |
| madrazr | jasvir: that's too much for a GSoC I think | 00:53 |
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| madrazr | jasvir: I would start a discussion on that on melange-soc-dev | 00:53 |
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| madrazr | jasvir: would you mind starting one please? | 00:53 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1306 and https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=515 | 00:54 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BMv+> (at code.google.com) | 00:54 |
| shikher | madrazr: really. I am also planning on doing diffs, but under student flow as students also need to see their previous submissions? please answer my earlier question also. | 00:54 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: I'll start discussion. | 00:55 |
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| madrazr | shikher: which of your earlier questions did I miss? | 00:58 |
| shikher | madrazr: ok. so we have ndb datastore and drive as the alternatives that I am aware of. any others? | 00:58 |
| shikher | google drive* | 00:59 |
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| madrazr | shikher: why drive again? Enlighten me? | 01:01 |
| madrazr | shikher: why not just datastore? | 01:01 |
| madrazr | shikher: what's wrong with the datastore? | 01:02 |
| shikher | madrazr: nothing wrong. we can use both. because there is no need for unecessary storage on Melange's datastore when we can store it on user's drive. Also, user gets more benefits. | 01:03 |
| madrazr | shikher: my argument is, there is no need to bring the complexity of another API | 01:03 |
| madrazr | and dependency on it | 01:04 |
| madrazr | its outages | 01:04 |
| madrazr | and what not | 01:04 |
| madrazr | shikher: and why is Melange's datastore "unnecessary storage"? | 01:04 |
| madrazr | shikher: how does user get more benefits by storing on drive? | 01:05 |
| shikher | madrazr: but its an extra feature tht is really helpful. Importing and exporting proposals from/to Melange wud be awesome. | 01:05 |
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| madrazr | shikher: latter yes | 01:05 |
| shikher | most students make proposals on google docs. | 01:05 |
| madrazr | but we should do that locally | 01:05 |
| madrazr | shikher: we should sync with the drive content | 01:05 |
| madrazr | shikher: but not use it to store entirely | 01:05 |
| shikher | do u really think the current editor compares anything to the tinyMCE? | 01:05 |
| shikher | current google doc editor* | 01:06 |
| madrazr | shikher: no | 01:06 |
| madrazr | but that is not our goal either | 01:06 |
| madrazr | our goal is not to support a full Google Doc style editor | 01:06 |
| shikher | madrazr: i agree wid doing both. | 01:06 |
| madrazr | I would love to have some of its features | 01:06 |
| madrazr | shikher: but we don't want everything from Docs | 01:06 |
| madrazr | shikher: my real concern is | 01:07 |
| madrazr | shikher: we don't want to create storage dependency on Drive | 01:07 |
| shikher | both - datastore and drive. | 01:07 |
| shikher | madrazr: drive wud be additional. | 01:07 |
| madrazr | shikher: I really hate to tell our mentors and org admins, "Sorry you cannot review the proposals now because Drive is going through an outage" | 01:07 |
| madrazr | shikher: it just happened, there was a Sheets outage today | 01:08 |
| madrazr | shikher: the problem is | 01:08 |
| madrazr | there are two ways of building a system from components | 01:08 |
| shikher | madrazr: datastore wud be primary. drive wud be only for the benefits for the students. | 01:08 |
| madrazr | shikher: I am not sure what you mean by this? | 01:09 |
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| shikher | madrazr: melange would access the data using the datastore i.e. rendering, etc. we give an additional option to the student, to save it to his drive. | 01:11 |
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| shikher | madrazr: also do u know a good html reverse parse, for rendering proposal in an editor? | 01:15 |
| shikher | the editor* | 01:15 |
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| madrazr | shikher: I am not too inclined to give the "Also save it drive" feature | 01:20 |
| madrazr | shikher: I would say "Sync with your proposal on drive" is a decent enough option | 01:20 |
| madrazr | shikher: if that is what you mean | 01:21 |
| madrazr | shikher: html reverse parse? | 01:21 |
| shikher | madrazr: I know saving to drive is not that useful but why not? sync would be awesome, of course. | 01:22 |
| madrazr | shikher: that is true of a lot of other things | 01:22 |
| madrazr | shikher: building another email service within Melange is not that useful | 01:22 |
| madrazr | but why not? | 01:22 |
| madrazr | let us build GMail again | 01:22 |
| madrazr | shikher: no? | 01:23 |
| shikher | madrazr: for html reverse parse, pardon my lack of technical terminology. currently the tinyMCE editor is converting text to html, right? | 01:23 |
| shikher | madrazr: i get ur point about 'why not'. | 01:24 |
| madrazr | shikher: it does not really do any conversion | 01:25 |
| madrazr | shikher: however, yes. html is the format it uses for mark up | 01:25 |
| shikher | madrazr: mark up. yes. thts it. so how do i mark down? | 01:26 |
| madrazr | shikher: you just want to strip out all the html tags? | 01:26 |
| shikher | madrazr: wat about links and images and tables? | 01:27 |
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| madrazr | shikher: what about them? | 01:27 |
| madrazr | shikher: what are you trying to achieve? | 01:27 |
| shikher | how does tinyMCE render these? | 01:27 |
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| madrazr | shikher: tinyMCE stores the actual content along with the markup | 01:28 |
| shikher | madrazr: before I answer that, can u tell me how are proposals stored in datastore, currently? | 01:28 |
| madrazr | shikher: so it knows how to render | 01:28 |
| madrazr | shikher: along with the markup | 01:28 |
| madrazr | however tinyMCE gives us | 01:29 |
| madrazr | shikher: a very very simple experiment to do | 01:29 |
| shikher | madrazr: we are storing it with markup right? | 01:29 |
| madrazr | or to try it out yourselves is to go to your proposals page | 01:29 |
| madrazr | type in some content there | 01:29 |
| madrazr | and see the plain text view in your tinyMCE editor | 01:30 |
| madrazr | shikher: that should show you the actual marked up format that tinyMCE generates | 01:30 |
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| madrazr | shikher: we take the data in that format, do some cleanups to remove executable JS code and such | 01:31 |
| shikher | madrazr: ok. I knw how to approach this now. thnx. | 01:31 |
| madrazr | i.e. sanitize the data | 01:32 |
| madrazr | and then we store it | 01:32 |
| madrazr | thankfully we don't use SQL | 01:32 |
| madrazr | which saves from injection attacks | 01:32 |
| madrazr | ;-) | 01:32 |
| madrazr | *saves us from | 01:32 |
| madrazr | shikher: great! NP | 01:32 |
| shikher | madrazr: btw there are ways to counter injection attacks. nyways I have a proposal to work on. thnx for ur help, again. :) | 01:33 |
| madrazr | shikher: counter? | 01:34 |
| shikher | prevent* | 01:34 |
| madrazr | shikher: of course | 01:34 |
| madrazr | otherwise all the data in this world would have been lost by now | 01:34 |
| madrazr | :P | 01:34 |
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| madrazr | because some mom named her son as Robert'); DROP TABLE Students; -- | 01:35 |
| madrazr | :P | 01:35 |
| madrazr | shikher: xkcd 327 | 01:35 |
| madrazr | :P | 01:35 |
| madrazr | shikher: also the 400 billion $ ad broker would not have existed today if we did not know how to sanitize our inputs for SQL injection attacks :P | 01:37 |
| madrazr | http://research.gigaom.com/2012/05/google-moves-adwords-off-mysql-to-f1/ | 01:37 |
| shikher | madrazr: haha! clever artist! | 01:37 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BMxX> (at research.gigaom.com) | 01:37 |
| shikher | madrazr: 400 billion. really. i though it was more? | 01:39 |
| madrazr | shikher: wait, what? :P | 01:40 |
| madrazr | do you know how much money that is? :P | 01:40 |
| shikher | do u know we are talking about google right? :P | 01:40 |
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| madrazr | shikher: of course not ;-) | 01:42 |
| man1ac | hello | 01:43 |
| madrazr | man1ac: Hi | 01:43 |
| man1ac | madrazr: i successfully installed melange, and i want to the bienvenu issue "Lookup Profile - search by email doesn't work". | 01:45 |
| man1ac | madrazr: so first i want to locate the html page for admin dashboard. Any idea where that is? | 01:46 |
| madrazr | man1ac: https://code.google.com/p/soc/source/browse/app/soc/templates/modules/gsoc/admin/base.html | 01:48 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BMxy> (at code.google.com) | 01:48 |
| man1ac | madrazr: thanks, i have been searching for a while now | 01:49 |
| madrazr | man1ac: np | 01:49 |
| madrazr | man1ac: you should use grep | 01:49 |
| madrazr | man1ac: that is the basic basic requirement I would expect from any student | 01:50 |
| man1ac | madrazr: copied | 01:50 |
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| devajay | i have submitted my proposal on gsoc for you community | 02:25 |
| devajay | but no rply from your metor. | 02:25 |
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| enchilader | madrazr: mind if i ask how many applications you expect to receive, based on previous years? | 02:37 |
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| madrazr | enchilader: for Melange? | 02:37 |
| madrazr | or GSoC total? | 02:37 |
| enchilader | madrazr: Melange in particular, but I guess I wouldn't turn down the statistics on GSoC as well | 02:38 |
| madrazr | enchilader: Melange got 18 proposals last year | 02:39 |
| enchilader | madrazr: and how many were accepted? | 02:39 |
| madrazr | enchilader: 3 | 02:39 |
| madrazr | enchilader: GSoC proposals, I don't know if that number is public | 02:39 |
| madrazr | let me check | 02:39 |
| madrazr | enchilader: sure you are lucky :) | 02:41 |
| madrazr | enchilader: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2013/05/students-announced-for-google-summer-of.html | 02:41 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BN0X> (at google-opensource.blogspot.com) | 02:41 |
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| raitech | good evening! | 02:45 |
| raitech | I think there is a conflict between what is written in the FAQ | 02:45 |
| raitech | and what is written in the intial/default text in "content" field of a proposal form | 02:46 |
| raitech | I am trying to send a proposal to OpenBSD, and the first indication that this text gives me | 02:46 |
| raitech | is to contact the mentors | 02:47 |
| raitech | when what FAQ says is to send the proposal via Melange | 02:47 |
| raitech | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#14._Should_students_send_proposals | 02:47 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BN17> (at www.google-melange.com) | 02:47 |
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| ayushk | madrazr: Hi. I wanted to talk about resource hosting project. Are you available? | 03:39 |
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| shikher | madrazr: Here you go. I know it is not perfect, but your comments would mean a lot. http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/student/google/gsoc2014/kira_111/5629499534213120 | 04:06 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BN57> (at www.google-melange.com) | 04:06 |
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| madrazr | shikher: great! thanks for submitting the proposal | 04:11 |
| madrazr | will take a look | 04:11 |
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| shikher | madrazr: sure. np. :) | 04:18 |
| madrazr | ayushk: I should be around for 10 mins now | 04:18 |
| madrazr | and then got to run | 04:18 |
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| ayushk | madrazr: np. When are you available next? I also got to go for class. Will talk to you later. | 04:19 |
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| Gentlecat | is comments sorting broken on proposal page? | 06:33 |
| olly | Gentlecat: someone earlier said it was alphabetical not by date | 06:34 |
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| olly | and was asked to file a bug IIRC | 06:34 |
| Gentlecat | good to know | 06:36 |
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| Gentlecat | https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2120 | 06:36 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BN+S> (at code.google.com) | 06:36 |
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| madrazr | ayushk: ping | 06:48 |
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| ayushk | madrazr: what does this exactly mean - "Page-level Melange code shouldn’t have to care whether files are stored in App Engine’s blobstore, data store, or any place else." It was there on the initial ideas list doc published by nathenial. | 07:09 |
| madrazr | ayushk: on the wiki page? | 07:12 |
| ayushk | No its on this link - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ikbv3gKICjk2w6YR5r611ZeGfQX6nDEHcTS87fTUYj0/edit | 07:13 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BN:-> (at docs.google.com) | 07:13 |
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| madrazr | ayushk: why would you worry about it. It was a document that was shared among Melange developers | 07:14 |
| madrazr | before flushing out the details | 07:14 |
| madrazr | it was basically just a brain-dump of ideas that we had from the All-hands | 07:14 |
| madrazr | it was before we even thought about how to present the ideas | 07:15 |
| madrazr | in a more approachable form to students | 07:15 |
| madrazr | ayushk: anyway | 07:15 |
| madrazr | this particular line means that we should build an abstraction for hosting files | 07:15 |
| madrazr | and the individual views should not worry about where the files are being stored | 07:16 |
| madrazr | and should handle it exactly the same way it handles other data like regular datastore data | 07:16 |
| ayushk | madrazr: okay. So can you explain this - "Melange doesn't yet have a subsystem that makes resource ingestion, hosting, and distribution easy for both users and feature developers". What I see is that only upload facility of these files is required - https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/downloads/list | 07:16 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BCs0> (at code.google.com) | 07:16 |
| ayushk | madrazr: upload/download of enrollment form, consent form, project is already there. | 07:17 |
| madrazr | ayushk: that is one of the goals yes | 07:17 |
| madrazr | ayushk: it is already there in a very crude form | 07:18 |
| madrazr | ayushk: just a basic functionality | 07:18 |
| madrazr | what we need is a more sophisticated upload/download functionality | 07:18 |
| ayushk | madrazr: So do I need to create a generic model(the db.Model) for all files that are uploaded on melange? | 07:20 |
| madrazr | ayushk: the same thing I have told you a couple of times before? | 07:20 |
| madrazr | ayushk: at least one reference from our conversation http://www.thousandparsec.net/~irc/%23melange/%23melange.2014-03-05.log.html#t2014-03-05T21:33:04 | 07:20 |
| tpb | Title: Wednesday, 2014-03-05 (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 07:20 |
| madrazr | ayushk: about what we need | 07:20 |
| madrazr | ayushk: no no, it cannot be a generic model | 07:21 |
| madrazr | ayushk: blobstore references should be isolated or segregated the same way the rest of the data is | 07:21 |
| madrazr | ayushk: what we need is for the views to not worry about the intrinsic details of how the blobstore API works | 07:22 |
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| madrazr | ayushk: at views level, all the view should care about is that it has data from the forms | 07:22 |
| madrazr | it has to be validated | 07:22 |
| madrazr | and if validated it should be stored | 07:22 |
| madrazr | or validation error be raised | 07:22 |
| madrazr | it shouldn't be necessary for the views to worry about the differences in the Blobstore API | 07:23 |
| madrazr | compared to the datastore API | 07:23 |
| madrazr | those details should be abstracted away | 07:23 |
| ayushk | madrazr: Can you give me a code sample of any view for reference. | 07:23 |
| ayushk | ? | 07:23 |
| madrazr | ayushk: referencing what? | 07:23 |
| ayushk | madrazr: Where abstraction is not present and the view has to take care of differences in the blobstore api and datastore api. | 07:24 |
| ayushk | madrazr: just so that I can understand the problem properly | 07:25 |
| madrazr | ayushk: didn't I give you the link already? | 07:26 |
| madrazr | ayushk: https://code.google.com/p/soc/source/browse/app/soc/modules/gci/views/static_content.py | 07:26 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BNA2> (at code.google.com) | 07:26 |
| madrazr | like 10 days back? | 07:26 |
| madrazr | http://www.thousandparsec.net/~irc/%23melange/%23melange.2014-03-07.log.html#t2014-03-07T19:55:10 | 07:27 |
| tpb | Title: Friday, 2014-03-07 (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 07:27 |
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| ayushk | madrazr: Can you explain me this code? How is this different from the upload form of student enrollment? | 07:32 |
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| ayushk | madrazr: I am having trouble figuring out what you said earlier - "it shouldn't be necessary for the views to worry about the differences in the Blobstore API | 07:44 |
| ayushk | compared to the datastore API". Please explain. | 07:44 |
| madrazr | ayushk: I will turn this around to you and give this as an exercise | 07:48 |
| madrazr | ayushk: first exercise for you is to find out where the code is for student enrollment form uploads | 07:49 |
| madrazr | clue is the URL | 07:49 |
| madrazr | ayushk: what do you want me to explain about it? | 07:50 |
| madrazr | ayushk: have you read the blobstore API documentation? | 07:50 |
| madrazr | ayushk: and have a rough idea of datastore API? | 07:50 |
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| ayushk | madrazr: yes I have read the documentation. I understand how these two are different. What I don't understand is how to make validation same for data coming from both datastore and blobstore? | 07:53 |
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| ayushk | madrazr: sorry, got to go again. Got a class. I will try to understand what is different in both the cases (static content and enrollment form). I will bug you then. Thanks | 07:57 |
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| alexm92_ | hey | 12:00 |
| alexm92_ | is there any mentor for GSoC here? | 12:00 |
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| jasvir | olly: hello | 13:48 |
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| jasvir | ashishk: hello | 13:49 |
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| ashishk | jasvir: hello | 13:55 |
| ashishk | jasvir: :) | 13:55 |
| jasvir | ashishk: Do you have any idea about extending current test. If we have added a new feature, then we have make new test or we extend previos one? | 13:56 |
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| ashishk | jasvir: it depends on the feature if test is already present then you have to make some changes in it otherwise you have to create a new test | 13:58 |
| jasvir | ashishk: Ok. | 13:59 |
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| durga94 | Hey, I am interested in working on the project Responsive Layout (https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1516) as a part of my GSoC Project, Can someone please help me with it? | 15:45 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BNX7> (at code.google.com) | 15:45 |
| ayushpix | hi everyone.. I need help......how can I reviewed my proposal ? | 15:51 |
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| rishabh_ | hi ,can anyone tell if there is a way to delete a proposal | 16:22 |
| rishabh_ | submitted on melange | 16:22 |
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| TommyN | Hello? | 17:09 |
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| franklingu | do we use irc more or emails more when callorating in gsoc | 18:00 |
| franklingu | just curious to know | 18:00 |
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| vivekjain | madrazr:Hi | 18:06 |
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| ashishk | madrazr: hi | 18:15 |
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| TommyBoy | REGISTER inuyasha [email protected] | 18:48 |
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| man1ac | ashishk: hi | 18:56 |
| ashishk | man1ac: hello :) | 18:57 |
| man1ac | ashishk: are you interested in melange for gsoc2014 | 18:57 |
| ashishk | man1ac: yes sure :p | 18:57 |
| man1ac | ashishk: same here. Hope you are having fun running it? | 18:58 |
| ashishk | man1ac: yes,melange is a new experience for me :) | 19:01 |
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| jmg_ | hello, anyone here that can track down which google account is associated w/ my gsoc account? | 19:02 |
| man1ac | man1ac: same here. I am going through the code base, trying to understand the dynamics. | 19:03 |
| man1ac | ashishk: same here. I am going through the code base, trying to understand the dynamics. | 19:03 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: hello | 19:45 |
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| ayushk | madrazr: Hi | 20:11 |
| ayushk | madrazr: I have tried to understand both the codes for static files (gci) and enrollment form. | 20:13 |
| ayushk | static files - https://code.google.com/p/soc/source/browse/app/soc/modules/gci/views/static_content.py | 20:13 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BNA2> (at code.google.com) | 20:13 |
| ayushk | enrollment form - https://code.google.com/p/soc/source/browse/app/soc/modules/gsoc/views/student_forms.py | 20:13 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BNh8> (at code.google.com) | 20:13 |
| ayushk | still I don't understand how are these two different. Please help | 20:14 |
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| madrazr | ayushk: they are not different | 22:17 |
| madrazr | I never said they were :) | 22:18 |
| madrazr | ayushk: what I said were different were the datastore API and the blobstore API | 22:18 |
| madrazr | the way we store data into them | 22:18 |
| madrazr | and we don't want our views to be worrying about that? | 22:19 |
| madrazr | *about those differences I mean | 22:19 |
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| ayushk | madrazr: Any file that is uploaded is stored in the blobstore, right? | 22:24 |
| ayushk | madrazr: The datastore is not used for storing files. | 22:24 |
| madrazr | ayushk: correct | 22:24 |
| ayushk | madrazr: so how come views have to worry about the differences? If its a view to upload a file, it will need blobstore api functionality. If its a view for text fields, it will need datastore api functionality. | 22:26 |
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| madrazr | ayushk: a view will almost never deal with only one thing | 22:28 |
| madrazr | ayushk: even if worst comes to worst and the only thing we are doing is file upload | 22:28 |
| madrazr | ayushk: we need to use the blobstore API to store the blob content itself into the blobstore | 22:29 |
| madrazr | ayushk: and then get the key of that blob in the blobstore and store the key in the datastoe | 22:29 |
| madrazr | *datastore | 22:29 |
| madrazr | ayushk: we already have to deal with the differences in the two APIs there | 22:29 |
| ayushk | madrazr: so what we want is that if a form has, lets say, fields for text input and file upload, then we should be able to handle both of them and save the data accordingly. | 22:31 |
| madrazr | ayushk: in a way the individual views do not have to worry | 22:32 |
| madrazr | about the differences in the view | 22:32 |
| madrazr | *differences in the API | 22:32 |
| madrazr | should be abstracted away | 22:32 |
| ayushk | madrazr: so basically ithe problem is in the post of every view page. It has to work differently for different forms. | 22:35 |
| ayushk | file upload form and text fields form | 22:35 |
| ayushk | madrazr: and we want that it works the same way even if its a file upload or a text form. | 22:36 |
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| madrazr | ayushk: correct | 23:00 |
| ayushk | madrazr: can you tell from the code of static content page where the problem is - https://code.google.com/p/soc/source/browse/app/soc/modules/gsoc/views/student_forms.py | 23:03 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BNh8> (at code.google.com) | 23:03 |
| madrazr | ayushk: problem? | 23:07 |
| madrazr | ayushk: what does problem mean in this context? | 23:08 |
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| ayushk | madrazr: what will I have to chage in this to make it independent of the api difference? | 23:34 |
| madrazr | ayushk: build a layer of abstraction | 23:34 |
| madrazr | that saves the data to respective storage infrastructure | 23:34 |
| madrazr | depending on the type of data | 23:34 |
| madrazr | and can be used by all the views/pages in Melange | 23:35 |
| madrazr | instead of each page having to do this | 23:35 |
| ayushk | madrazr: so every form submission will go to this layer and then data will be saved by this layer. | 23:35 |
| madrazr | ayushk: correct | 23:36 |
| ayushk | madrazr: The layer should be able to save data in the datastore and the blobstore as and when required. | 23:36 |
| madrazr | ayushk: correct | 23:36 |
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| ayushk | madrazr: now its clear to me. About the static files, they are of different languages. So, we can have a field language in the model of the static files. The upload form can have a dropdown to select the language of the file. And when the students download the file, they can select the language and only those files will be listed. | 23:41 |
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