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| Daisyab__ | hi | 01:48 |
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| Daisyab__ | I have submitted my created my profile, submitted a proof of enrollment form but when I click on the button "Submit your proposal", i get a page saying no data received. | 01:48 |
| Daisyab__ | Have my proof of enrollment forms not been accepted? | 01:48 |
| olly | Daisyab__: if you look on the front page, is there now a "submit proposal" linl? | 01:49 |
| olly | link? | 01:49 |
| olly | or button maybe | 01:50 |
| Daisyab__ | yes | 01:50 |
| Daisyab__ | there is | 01:50 |
| olly | oh sorry, you're clikcing that | 01:50 |
| olly | i misread that the "no data received" was on trying to submit the enrollment form | 01:50 |
| olly | not sure, sorry | 01:50 |
| olly | you might want to try with a different browser, or perhaps in a private/anon browser window | 01:51 |
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| olly | otherwise, wait for somebody useful to wake up | 01:51 |
| Daisyab__ | i've tried two | 01:51 |
| Daisyab__ | i'll try a private browser window | 01:51 |
| Daisyab__ | ok thanks | 01:51 |
| Daisyab__ | who should I be waiting up for? | 01:52 |
| anth_x | i'm our org admin (plan9). a prospective student got confused and submitted a connection request as a mentor. i have not accepted. will he be prohibited from applying as a student if the mentor connection request just sits there? | 01:53 |
| olly | Daisyab__: not sure who's likely to be around soonest, but the melange devs all have auto-op here | 01:54 |
| olly | anth_x: see the !unmentor factoid in #gsoc | 01:54 |
| Daisyab__ | olly, thanks | 01:55 |
| olly | his problem is he's already made his account a mentor account, not that he's tried to connect to you | 01:55 |
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| anth_x | olly: as in from the bot? i can't get it to talk to me. | 02:01 |
| olly | there you go (in #gsoc) | 02:02 |
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| yashsexygo | hello anyone active? | 02:24 |
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| man1ac | hello | 03:30 |
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| man1ac | madrazr: Hi | 06:00 |
| madrazr | man1ac: Hi | 06:02 |
| man1ac | madrazr: i am Brian, i installed melange successfully and took the one of the Bienvenue issues - Lookup by email | 06:04 |
| man1ac | madrazr: i just succeeded in implementing that feature, but i had to test my algorithms by turning off lookup by username | 06:05 |
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| man1ac | madrazr: Now trying to combine both. It is amazing | 06:06 |
| madrazr | man1ac: cool! | 06:06 |
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| ashishk | madrazr: hi | 06:30 |
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| madrazr | ashishk: hello | 06:52 |
| ashishk | madrazr: currently, there is no way a student can delete or edit his comments on proposal , | 06:52 |
| madrazr | ashishk: that is by design | 06:53 |
| madrazr | we had talked about this a lot | 06:53 |
| madrazr | about whether we should allow students to edit or delete the comments | 06:53 |
| madrazr | edit is a definite NO NO | 06:53 |
| madrazr | until we implement diffs for comments too :P | 06:54 |
| madrazr | ashishk: a student can say something | 06:54 |
| madrazr | go back | 06:54 |
| madrazr | edit it | 06:54 |
| madrazr | and claim he/she did not say that at all | 06:54 |
| madrazr | delete is more or less based on the same idea | 06:54 |
| madrazr | if we can somehow show edit diffs | 06:55 |
| madrazr | we can definitely enable those features | 06:55 |
| ashishk | madrazr: so,basically a student will be able to edit/delete his comment when there will be diff feature on melange :p | 06:57 |
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| ashishk | madrazr: coming back to my proposal,I was thinking of adding a look profile feature also for umbrella orgs ,will it be ok,where they can see the profile of student,mentor and admin | 06:59 |
| ashishk | madrazr: like the one in admin dashboard | 07:00 |
| madrazr | ashishk: we shouldn't do that | 07:00 |
| madrazr | for privacy concerns | 07:00 |
| madrazr | we cannot show profile data to other users | 07:01 |
| ashishk | madrazr: okay | 07:02 |
| ashishk | madrazr: btw, i have changed my proposal , please have a look at it (atleast on the timeline) and suggest me if something more need to be done regarding the umbrella orgs. | 07:03 |
| ashishk | https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/student/google/gsoc2014/ashishk/5629499534213120?validated=True | 07:04 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BO+l> (at www.google-melange.com) | 07:04 |
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| madrazr | ashishk: Ok | 07:10 |
| man1ac | madrazr: I am in the processing of deploying my local melange to google app engine. Please hope you still got some time left online | 07:13 |
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| Bipul | hello sir how should i know my Proposals has been accepted by the organisation. | 07:30 |
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| Daisyab__ | hi. I created my profile on google-melange, submitted a form for proof of enrollment but when i click on the button, "submit proposal", I get a page that says "No data received"? I am quite sure that my proof of proposal was valid. Is there anything I can do? | 07:33 |
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| madrazr | man1ac: I will be going to bed in a few mins | 07:35 |
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| man1ac | madrazr: Here is the link: http://man1ac-melange.appspot.com | 07:36 |
| tpb | Title: Welcome to Melange (at man1ac-melange.appspot.com) | 07:36 |
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| madrazr | man1ac: cool! | 07:36 |
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| man1ac | madrazr: but http://man1ac-melange.appspot.com/seed_db gives an error | 07:36 |
| bipul | How should i know, My proposal has been accepted by the organisation or not ? | 07:37 |
| madrazr | seed_db is not meant for production | 07:37 |
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| man1ac | tpb: thanks | 07:37 |
| madrazr | it is only for local development | 07:37 |
| madrazr | man1ac: tpb is a bot :) | 07:37 |
| man1ac | madrazr: ok, interesting | 07:37 |
| olly | bipul: wait until april 21st | 07:37 |
| man1ac | madrazr: how do i populate the copy of melange then with data? | 07:38 |
| madrazr | bipul: and on April 21st if your project is accepted you will be world famous | 07:38 |
| madrazr | :) | 07:38 |
| Daisyab__ | I created my profile on google-melange, submitted a form for proof of enrollment but when i click on the button, "submit proposal", I get a page that says "No data received"? I am quite sure that my proof of proposal was valid. Is there anything I can do? | 07:38 |
| madrazr | bipul: your name and the accepted project, if your proposal is accepted, will be on the list of all the accepted projects for GSoC 2014 | 07:38 |
| madrazr | bipul: you should also get an email (ideally) | 07:38 |
| olly | or maybe several | 07:38 |
| bipul | when i get the email? after 21st March ? | 07:40 |
| olly | Daisyab__: it's not an issue whether the proof is valid - that's checked by hand | 07:40 |
| olly | bipul: *APRIL* 21st | 07:40 |
| olly | see the timeline i directed you to on #gsoc | 07:40 |
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| Daisyab__ | olly, ok but why can't I submit? | 07:41 |
| man1ac | madrazr: you still there? | 07:42 |
| olly | Daisyab__: i'm not sure - madrazr may be more use there | 07:42 |
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| Daisyab__ | olly, any of these people? | 07:44 |
| madrazr | man1ac: yeah | 07:44 |
| madrazr | Daisyab__: can you send the screenshot in a PM | 07:44 |
| madrazr | ? | 07:44 |
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| man1ac | madrazr: i have looked at the getting started guide but no clue. So how can i get a deployed copy of melange to have data | 07:45 |
| Daisyab__ | madrazr, know this is going to sound stupid but what is a PM | 07:45 |
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| Daisyab__ | ok i see: personal message | 07:46 |
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| madrazr | Daisyab__: wait, let me ping you | 07:50 |
| madrazr | Daisyab__: did you get my message? | 07:51 |
| madrazr | in a separate tab/window? | 07:51 |
| Daisyab__ | yes i did | 07:51 |
| madrazr | Daisyab__: cool | 07:51 |
| madrazr | man1ac: we manually create the data on production | 07:52 |
| madrazr | we don't automatically seed it from anywhere | 07:52 |
| madrazr | :P | 07:52 |
| madrazr | man1ac: why are you even trying things on App Engine at this point | 07:52 |
| madrazr | ? | 07:52 |
| madrazr | shouldn't be required IMO | 07:52 |
| man1ac | madrazr: just following the getting started | 07:52 |
| madrazr | ignore it | 07:53 |
| madrazr | if you can get test suite running locally | 07:53 |
| madrazr | you are good for now | 07:53 |
| man1ac | madrazr: cool! Thanks, i will start working on my proposal. I want to do the "User dashboard and dependencies" | 07:53 |
| madrazr | man1ac: Oh ok | 07:54 |
| man1ac | madrazr: but i am not too clear with the time line part of my proposal because i don't yet follow understand the code base, to know how i will implement | 07:55 |
| man1ac | madrazr: typo: *fully* | 07:55 |
| madrazr | man1ac: your timeline can be tentative, we are not going to hold you against it | 07:56 |
| madrazr | man1ac: but you need to demonstrate that you have spent enough time thinking about what you are proposing | 07:56 |
| man1ac | madrazr: thanks a million. That will help | 07:56 |
| madrazr | man1ac: and provide rough estimates at least | 07:56 |
| madrazr | man1ac: we do let +/- 1/2 weeks during the coding phase | 07:57 |
| madrazr | but if you have no clue or estimates at all, that is bad | 07:57 |
| man1ac | madrazr: ok. cool | 07:57 |
| man1ac | madrazr: yeah, i see. | 07:59 |
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| man1ac | Thanks a lot for the information | 08:00 |
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| madrazr | man1ac: np | 08:16 |
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| dnivra | Hello. I get a server error(HTTP 500) when I access my proposal. Could someone help me out here? | 08:28 |
| dnivra | hmmm seems to be working now. | 08:29 |
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| psiinon_ | any melange admins around? | 09:24 |
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| man1ac | hello | 10:44 |
| man1ac | anyone there? | 10:44 |
| Daisyab__ | man1ac, it looks like all the admins have gone | 10:45 |
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| man1ac | Daisyab__: i am trying to commit some code to melange | 10:45 |
| Daisyab__ | ok i see | 10:46 |
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| ascii | I have a query | 12:43 |
| ascii | does anyone help me in appspot of google | 12:45 |
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| nannann | hi to all, yesterday i've sumbitted my proposal. The submission was correctly done and Melange has shown me the "green message" at the end of the process to tell me that all was ok. Today I haven't the proposal in the List of proposal. Any help? | 13:45 |
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| durga94 | Hey, I am writing my proposal for GSoc, Can someone please help me with it? | 13:54 |
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| durga94 | <nathanielmanist1> I would like to work on the project "Responsive layout" (https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1516), I am familiar with the languages HTML, CSS and Javascript, Can you please mentor me? I have started writing the proposal but I have some doubts, and I have been following the GettingStarted page (https://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/GettingStarted#Contributing) | 13:57 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BNX7> (at code.google.com) | 13:57 |
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| durga94 | nathanielmanist1 I would like to work on the project "Responsive layout" (https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1516), I am familiar with the languages HTML, CSS and Javascript, I have been following the GettingStarted page (https://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/GettingStarted#Contributing) Can you please mentor me? I have started writing the proposal but I have some doubts. | 14:02 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BNX7> (at code.google.com) | 14:02 |
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| _CalLightman_ | Hi, the character / is not allowed in the address field of profile, i have filled the address as 127-264 instead of 127/264 can this be rectified | 14:38 |
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| aka_ | I have a doubt. Each time we edit our proposal on melange does all the organisation member get notified about the same? | 15:10 |
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| akki2200 | Hi are the fields home page url blog url and photo url required to be filled? | 15:13 |
| akki2200 | Because its showing me the same page again after clickingthe submit button | 15:14 |
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| akki2200 | I have filled all the other fields | 15:14 |
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| akki2200 | Got it clicked back on the home page and it shows its submitted | 15:20 |
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| brlcad | looks like GCI completed tasks are no longer accessible, known issue? | 16:02 |
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| brlcad | e.g., http://www.google-melange.com/gci/org/google/gci2013/brlcad | 16:05 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BOW6> (at www.google-melange.com) | 16:05 |
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| chitrank | Hello Melange developers | 16:30 |
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| madrazr | jasvir: ping | 17:31 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Hello | 17:31 |
| madrazr | jasvir: I saw the issue you linked to | 17:32 |
| madrazr | Ezio says "This is a new feature, so it can go only in 3.5." | 17:32 |
| madrazr | then we are only in luck :P | 17:32 |
| madrazr | we shouldn't consider this library then | 17:32 |
| madrazr | jasvir: Python 2.x is dead | 17:33 |
| jasvir | madrazr: but we can make pypi package. A new library and user can install it while install other libs. | 17:33 |
| madrazr | jasvir: and we are just not willing to accept that fact | 17:33 |
| madrazr | jasvir: I do not think it is worth your time writing the diffing library | 17:34 |
| madrazr | jasvir: also it is a lot more work than a GSoC project | 17:34 |
| jasvir | madrazr: So what is your suggestion? | 17:34 |
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| madrazr | jasvir: find another library? | 17:34 |
| jasvir | madrazr: I found npmjs difflib. | 17:35 |
| jasvir | madrazr: It is also ported from python difflib. | 17:35 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: I am making a example from it. | 17:36 |
| jasvir | madrazr: check this : https://www.npmjs.org/package/difflib | 17:36 |
| tpb | Title: difflib (at www.npmjs.org) | 17:36 |
| madrazr | looks somewhat better | 17:37 |
| madrazr | but OMG! | 17:37 |
| madrazr | what year are we in? | 17:37 |
| madrazr | why don't we have good diff libraries? | 17:37 |
| madrazr | or what are we missing? | 17:37 |
| madrazr | I am wondering what diff library does rietveld use | 17:38 |
| jasvir | madrazr: rietveld? | 17:38 |
| madrazr | jasvir: the code review system | 17:39 |
| madrazr | jasvir: also wondering what diff library does Facebook's Phabricator use? | 17:39 |
| jasvir | madrazr: I'll explore it. | 17:39 |
| madrazr | their diff output is neat too | 17:39 |
| madrazr | also wondering if github's diff tool is open source | 17:39 |
| jasvir | madrazr: I want to ask one more thing. | 17:40 |
| madrazr | Oh! | 17:40 |
| madrazr | jasvir: rietveld actually uses difflib! | 17:40 |
| madrazr | interesting! | 17:40 |
| jasvir | madrazr: We have to make full revision history? | 17:40 |
| madrazr | https://code.google.com/p/rietveld/source/browse/codereview/intra_region_diff.py#46 | 17:40 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BO_m> (at code.google.com) | 17:40 |
| madrazr | jasvir: what does "full" mean? Explain please? | 17:41 |
| jasvir | madrazr: I mean, history from submission. Ther can be n number of revisions. | 17:42 |
| madrazr | jasvir: probably yes | 17:42 |
| madrazr | we had this discussion earlier here | 17:42 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: Or we have to compare fresh submission with previous. | 17:42 |
| madrazr | jasvir: how would implementing diffs for 2 revisions be different than 2 million revisions? | 17:42 |
| madrazr | jasvir: well that might affect how we store and compute diffs | 17:43 |
| madrazr | i.e. the strategies we chose | 17:43 |
| jasvir | madrazr: It'll take much more resources. That's why I am asking. | 17:43 |
| madrazr | but I would like this system to be generic in the number of revisions N | 17:43 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Ok | 17:43 |
| madrazr | jasvir: what type of resources? | 17:44 |
| jasvir | madrazr: resources I mean, storing n revision will take much more space than storing only two. Finding specified revision from N. | 17:45 |
| madrazr | jasvir: don't worry about storage | 17:45 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Will do more computation | 17:46 |
| madrazr | jasvir: we have enough storage :) | 17:46 |
| jasvir | madrazr: hahaha... | 17:46 |
| madrazr | jasvir: computation part might be tricky | 17:46 |
| jasvir | madrazr: More carbon footprints :P | 17:46 |
| madrazr | but if you are not computing incremenetal diffs against revision number 20 and revision number 20 million | 17:46 |
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| madrazr | you should be fine I gues | 17:47 |
| madrazr | *guess | 17:47 |
| madrazr | jasvir: carbon footprint? | 17:47 |
| madrazr | number of bits is related to carbon footprint? | 17:47 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Yeah. I just read it on a blog, more computation lead to more heating. | 17:48 |
| madrazr | jasvir: computation sure | 17:48 |
| madrazr | jasvir: but I am not sure about storage | 17:48 |
| jasvir | madrazr: So now we need another lib or we can improve difflib? | 17:49 |
| madrazr | jasvir: I am thinking | 17:49 |
| brlcad | madrazr: looks like GCI completed tasks are no longer accessible, known issue? | 17:49 |
| madrazr | jasvir: rietveld seems to be using difflib | 17:49 |
| madrazr | and it looks fine for me, their output | 17:49 |
| brlcad | e.g., http://www.google-melange.com/gci/org/google/gci2013/brlcad | 17:50 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BOW6> (at www.google-melange.com) | 17:50 |
| madrazr | brlcad: there is a minor trick here | 17:51 |
| madrazr | brlcad: as far as we know trying to access GCI tasks when you are signed in is broken | 17:51 |
| madrazr | brlcad: but GCI tasks are completely public | 17:51 |
| madrazr | so anybody, even without an account should be able to access it | 17:52 |
| madrazr | download the work submitted by students | 17:52 |
| madrazr | brlcad: so if you open GCI tasks in a private browsing window, it should work | 17:52 |
| madrazr | brlcad: please let me know if even that doesn't work now | 17:52 |
| madrazr | jasvir: why aren't rietveld guys complaining about difflib being so 1990s? | 17:53 |
| jasvir | madrazr: I think, I have to ask them. | 17:54 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Let me check if there is any IRC channel. | 17:56 |
| jasvir | madrazr: If not, thn I'll go to their mailing list. | 17:56 |
| madrazr | jasvir: Ok | 17:57 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: How to know whether my enrollment is applicable or not? | 17:58 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Who check them? | 17:58 |
| madrazr | jasvir: I am not sure if I understand your question | 17:58 |
| madrazr | jasvir: rephrase please? | 17:58 |
| jasvir | madrazr: I am asking that how one can know, whether his/enrollment is valid or not. | 18:00 |
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| madrazr | jasvir: someone from GOSPO will manually verify your forms, perhaps carols | 18:01 |
| carols | hm? | 18:01 |
| carols | what's the question? | 18:01 |
| madrazr | carols: no no, no question | 18:01 |
| carols | okay | 18:01 |
| madrazr | carols: jasvir was asking about the enrollment form verification process | 18:01 |
| carols | okay | 18:01 |
| madrazr | carols: I was just telling him you or someone from GOSPO will manually verify it | 18:02 |
| carols | correct | 18:02 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Ok | 18:02 |
| madrazr | jasvir: you don't have to wait for that verification to submit your proposal | 18:02 |
| jasvir | madrazr: I have submitted my proposal. | 18:03 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Check this : http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/public/google/gsoc2014/jasvir_singh92/5629499534213120 | 18:03 |
| madrazr | jasvir: also you should be submitting a *valid* enrollment form anyway, the one you think is really valid ;-) | 18:03 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BOcn> (at www.google-melange.com) | 18:03 |
| madrazr | jasvir: cool! | 18:04 |
| jasvir | madrazr: I have submitted bonafied certifcate from college. | 18:04 |
| madrazr | jasvir: turns out, like everything else, there are so many diffing libraries out there | 18:04 |
| madrazr | jasvir: for example, another one I found https://code.google.com/p/google-diff-match-patch/ | 18:04 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BOcr> (at code.google.com) | 18:04 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Seems like I have missed something. | 18:05 |
| madrazr | jasvir: and that is? | 18:06 |
| madrazr | jasvir: also it looks like Facebook's Phabricator uses a PHP implementation of diff-match-patch | 18:06 |
| jasvir | madrazr: other diffing libraries. | 18:06 |
| jasvir | madrazr: First of all, I am going send a email to Rietveld. | 18:07 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Thn I'll go for studying google-diff-mathc-patch. | 18:07 |
| jasvir | madrazr: and Facebook's Phabricator. | 18:08 |
| madrazr | Ok | 18:10 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: I'll study these, and specify all of them in proposal. We can select one after detailed study or have to finalise before 21? | 18:13 |
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| madrazr | jasvir: no, you don't have to finalize by Friday :) | 18:16 |
| jasvir | madrazr: sigh of relief | 18:17 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: :D | 18:17 |
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| brlcad | madrazr: okay, will give that a try -- just didn't know if it was a known issue that needed to have a bug report filed | 18:20 |
| brlcad | madrazr: hm, even in private mode it gives an error | 18:21 |
| brlcad | Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again | 18:21 |
| brlcad | Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 500 (Internal Server Error) | 18:22 |
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| madrazr | brlcad: are you signed in? | 18:36 |
| madrazr | in private browsing mode? | 18:36 |
| brlcad | not logged in according to the sidebar | 18:38 |
| brlcad | deinitely in private browsing mode | 18:38 |
| brlcad | (safari) | 18:38 |
| ashishk | madrazr: can we edit the proposal after 21st | 18:39 |
| hasitpbhatt | ashishk, no. Not on melange | 18:40 |
| ashishk | hasitpbhatt: thnks :) | 18:43 |
| madrazr | ashishk: in the previous years, yes | 18:43 |
| madrazr | even on Melange | 18:43 |
| madrazr | hasitpbhatt: ^ | 18:43 |
| madrazr | but that control was with your organizations | 18:43 |
| ashishk | madrazr:ok | 18:44 |
| madrazr | ashishk: hasitpbhatt: if your mentors felt your proposal needed updates and if that wouldn't be unfair to other students by allowing you to update your proposal | 18:44 |
| madrazr | they could temporarily turn the edit switch on for you to make those changes and turn it back off after | 18:45 |
| madrazr | per proposal, on case by case basis | 18:45 |
| madrazr | we may be having a regression of that feature this year | 18:45 |
| madrazr | not sure yet, let's see | 18:45 |
| hasitpbhatt | madrazr: AFAIK, that's why organisations insist to create proposal on their wiki, so that it can be changed, where as, melange proposal doesn't get changed afterwards | 18:47 |
| madrazr | hasitpbhatt: there are many reasons organizations ask to create proposals elsewhere, not just their wikis | 18:48 |
| madrazr | hasitpbhatt: some organizations ask students to create their proposals in Google Docs just because they can use GDocs style commenting | 18:48 |
| ashishk | madrazr: btw, have you seen my updated proposal | 18:48 |
| madrazr | ashishk: not yet | 18:49 |
| madrazr | hasitpbhatt: organizations have their autonomy to handle the proposals as long as the proposal exists on Melange | 18:49 |
| ashishk | madrazr: please have a look at it when you are free :) | 18:50 |
| madrazr | ashishk: indeed | 18:50 |
| hasitpbhatt | madrazr: thanks | 18:51 |
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| madrazr | vivekjain: you had a question yesterday? | 18:54 |
| madrazr | or two days back? | 18:54 |
| vivekjain | madrazr:yes i want to ask whether we can edit the proposal after 21? This was my question but is see it has been answered in the logs. | 18:55 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: see the logs (just before you signed in now) | 18:56 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: Can you please review my proposal. Since we cannot edit it http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/student/google/gsoc2014/vivekjain/5629499534213120. I really need some feedback. Thank You | 18:56 |
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| madrazr | vivekjain: see the logs | 18:57 |
| vivekjain | madrazr:Yes i have seen it.Got the answer to my question. We may edit it depending on the mentor . | 18:58 |
| madrazr | brlcad: Is this "Error retrieving data: ..." error on http://www.google-melange.com/gci/org/google/gci2013/brlcad ? | 18:59 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BOW6> (at www.google-melange.com) | 18:59 |
| madrazr | brlcad: Oh, I see! | 18:59 |
| madrazr | Never mind | 18:59 |
| madrazr | brlcad: please feel free to file an issue | 19:00 |
| madrazr | brlcad: this is something that we need to track | 19:00 |
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| mwilkes|work | Hey all, how can I create a programme admin and a programme in a dev envionment? | 19:09 |
| mwilkes|work | The manual says to ask you guys to do it ;) | 19:10 |
| madrazr | mwilkes|work: I am assuming this is for another instance not google-melange.com? :) | 19:10 |
| mwilkes|work | I said a dev environment! | 19:11 |
| madrazr | mwilkes|work: oops | 19:11 |
| madrazr | mwilkes|work: sorry about that | 19:11 |
| mwilkes|work | I don't want the responsibility of being an admin of live! | 19:11 |
| madrazr | mwilkes|work: in a dev environment you can just run /seed_db | 19:11 |
| mwilkes|work | awesomeeee | 19:11 |
| mwilkes|work | Done | 19:12 |
| madrazr | mwilkes|work: you should have enough data now | 19:12 |
| madrazr | [email protected] is your program admin | 19:12 |
| mwilkes|work | Hm, think it convered my current user to the admin, actually, I see the admin dashboard | 19:13 |
| mwilkes|work | Thanks! | 19:14 |
| madrazr | mwilkes|work: np | 19:14 |
| mwilkes|work | My personal machine is at apple, all I have to play with is a work machine, and that's set up for django dev, not Plone, so thought I'd hack on melange for a bit | 19:15 |
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| madrazr | mwilkes|work: what is your definition of "set up for Django dev"? | 19:23 |
| mwilkes|work | madrazr: Python 2.7 only, pip download cache with django modules with django 1.4 an 1.5 available, GAE python bindings, MariaDB and PostGres installs and their bindings, etc | 19:24 |
| madrazr | mwilkes|work: ah, I see | 19:25 |
| mwilkes|work | madrazr: Unlike my personal machine, which doesn't have any SQL stuff but has more python versions and about two gigs of plone stuff | 19:25 |
| madrazr | mwilkes|work: other than standard dev packages like libxml2-dev, libxslt-dev etc. | 19:25 |
| madrazr | Melange now builds entirely in a sandbox | 19:26 |
| madrazr | fetches all the dependencies itself :) | 19:26 |
| mwilkes|work | Yup | 19:26 |
| mwilkes|work | Was more my point that I can't do most of my hacking | 19:26 |
| madrazr | mwilkes|work: I see | 19:26 |
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| brlcad | madrazr: done: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2129 | 19:36 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BOgb> (at code.google.com) | 19:36 |
| madrazr | brlcad: thanks! | 19:36 |
| brlcad | np | 19:37 |
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| rvraghav93 | will submitting an edited proposal cause any kinda notification to the mentors ?? | 20:18 |
| rvraghav93 | madrazr: ^ | 20:18 |
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| man1ac | hello | 20:29 |
| rvraghav93 | anyone here ?? need some clarification!! | 20:30 |
| man1ac | madrazr: hi | 20:33 |
| rvraghav93 | man1ac: will submitting an edited proposal cause any kinda notification to the mentors ? | 20:35 |
| man1ac | rvraghav93: sorry, i have no idea. But i think you should use the mailing list and this channel to inform them | 20:36 |
| rvraghav93 | thing is I dont need to ... doing some minor changes ... thats y :) | 20:36 |
| rvraghav93 | *I meant dont want the system to | 20:36 |
| man1ac | oh i see. | 20:41 |
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| madrazr | rvraghav93: no, editing proposals won't trigger any notifications | 21:06 |
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| madrazr | you can edit it as many times as you want | 21:07 |
| madrazr | :) | 21:07 |
| Guest28015 | hi | 21:07 |
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| rvraghav93 | madrazr: thanks :) | 21:08 |
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| mmadia | hi. is a negative score possible when reviewing proposals? | 21:57 |
| mmadia | ... as in to signify to other mentors: "this proposal has been reviewed by at least one person and is not even worth your time to review" | 21:59 |
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| tierra | mmadia: have your org admin set it to "ignore" | 22:01 |
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| mmadia | thanks tierra! is that a recent (or from 2013) feature? | 22:02 |
| tierra | I know it was there a couple years ago, maybe longer | 22:02 |
| tierra | mentors can't set it though | 22:03 |
| tierra | it's sort of meant to filter out spam proposals | 22:03 |
| tierra | which are the ones "not even worth your time to look at", heh | 22:03 |
| olly | can students see ignored proposals? | 22:04 |
| olly | they could at one point | 22:04 |
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| mmadia | well, it's not a spam proposal, just a horrible one from a 1st year applicant. (and yes, i have left in-depth suggestions on how to improve it) | 22:04 |
| olly | i mean in some previous year | 22:04 |
| olly | mmadia: we just reserve "1" for those | 22:04 |
| olly | and have an admin do a first triage pass | 22:05 |
| olly | then the mentors can ignore anything with a score of 1 | 22:05 |
| mmadia | interesting. I'll email them with that idea. | 22:06 |
| olly | i would be interested to know if ignore is visible to the student though | 22:12 |
| olly | if it is, you wouldn't want to use it for a case like that where you've left suggestions to improve | 22:12 |
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| mmadia | right. or simply think a proposal is valid, but no simply not worth the time to review it. | 22:14 |
| olly | ah in fact melange's "tool tip" says the student can see that a proposal is ignored | 22:16 |
| tierra | not sure it really matters at that point | 22:22 |
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| olly | well, we're not supposed to tell them if they're accepted or not | 22:32 |
| gevaerts | Well, technically... | 22:33 |
| gevaerts | It could be argued that by ignoring them you refuse to either accept or reject them | 22:33 |
| mmadia | ... i submitted a feature request of allowing negative scores. | 22:34 |
| olly | you're technically correct - the best sort of correct | 22:34 |
| gevaerts | Hmmmm | 22:34 |
| olly | we shouldn't restrict the scoring to just real numbers | 22:34 |
| gevaerts | mmadia: you can change the maximum score I believe. Does it guard against integer overflow? | 22:34 |
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| olly | actually, they'll be rational currently | 22:35 |
| gevaerts | Oh, good idea! | 22:35 |
| mmadia | nope, because in the past i've had mentors that didn't bother reading that year's thoughts on how to score proposals. | 22:35 |
| gevaerts | I mean, some of those proposals are mostly imaginary. The score should reflect that! | 22:35 |
| mmadia | and when you think about typical mailing list discussions, people offering a "-1" in response to an idea is fairly common. | 22:36 |
| mmadia | btw, by setting a proposal to "ignore", you let the student know that at least one or more people have acknowledged their proposal as not being worthy to be acknowledged by the other mentors. :) | 22:36 |
| mmadia | ... i find that to be a bit off-putting to students, even if their proposal is horrible. | 22:37 |
| gevaerts | Can you set a proposal to both "ignore" and "accept"? | 22:38 |
| mmadia | by accepting a proposal, doesn't that potentially consume a slot? | 22:38 |
| gevaerts | Well yes | 22:39 |
| gevaerts | But that would be the ultimate "Don't tell the students" thing | 22:39 |
| mmadia | hahaha. You're Ignored and Accepted! | 22:40 |
| gevaerts | If everyone sets some accepted proposals to "ignore" too, it will be *really* hard todrive anything meaningful from the outside :) | 22:40 |
| mmadia | especially if some of the ignore-accepted students are actually ones that the org wants to accept :P | 22:42 |
| gevaerts | Or if they're duplicates | 22:42 |
| gevaerts | "We're ignoring you, but if we weren't, would you prefer org X or Y?" | 22:43 |
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| man1ac | madrazr: Hi | 22:51 |
| ariz | hello | 22:56 |
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| madrazr | gevaerts: integer overflow? | 23:12 |
| madrazr | gevaerts: we use a sane programming language that hides such details from us :P | 23:13 |
| gevaerts | madrazr: Is it optimised for "500"? ;) | 23:13 |
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| madrazr | gevaerts: what's that? :P | 23:14 |
| gevaerts | Nothing, nothing... :) | 23:14 |
| madrazr | heh Ok | 23:14 |
| gevaerts | Well | 23:14 |
| gevaerts | OK would be 200 :) | 23:15 |
| madrazr | 403 | 23:15 |
| gevaerts | :( | 23:15 |
| gevaerts | Well | 23:15 |
| gevaerts | At least it's not 402! | 23:15 |
| madrazr | that's for students :P | 23:16 |
| gevaerts | Some of those get 417 though :) | 23:16 |
| madrazr | that reminds me | 23:17 |
| madrazr | we should send 418 for all requests in 12 days from now :P | 23:17 |
| gevaerts | You should, yes :) | 23:17 |
| man1ac | madrazr: i submitted my proposal, please i need a review | 23:19 |
| madrazr | man1ac: I will take a look when I have time | 23:20 |
| madrazr | ariz: Hi | 23:20 |
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| man1ac | madrazr: thanks. Do you need a link? | 23:20 |
| madrazr | man1ac: nope | 23:22 |
| madrazr | man1ac: mentors and org admins have all the proposals submitted to their orgs on their dashboard | 23:23 |
| man1ac | madrazr: ok, thanks | 23:23 |
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