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| isra17 | Could someone give me some feedback on my proposal draft? | 01:12 |
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| isra17 | I'm not a native english and I'm pretty sure some sentence don't look right/are no clear | 01:13 |
| llnz | isra17: where is your proposal? if its in the web app, what is your name? | 01:41 |
| isra17 | the draft is here: https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Aao3r17jd6MXZGNjcTQ0ZnBfNDloYmQyeHhjcw&hl=en | 01:41 |
| isra17 | I just don't want to submit something with a lot or error | 01:42 |
| isra17 | but someone told me I should post it to get feedback anyway | 01:42 |
| isra17 | ok I submited it there: http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/isra17049117/t127060500217 | 01:51 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/5aAu> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 01:51 |
| llnz | isra17: looking at it now (between working) | 02:01 |
| isra17 | ok, thank a lot | 02:02 |
| llnz | your english seems fine :-) | 02:04 |
| isra17 | oh, thank | 02:10 |
| isra17 | I tried a lot of spell checker | 02:10 |
| isra17 | do you think that the fact I didn't read a lot about the source code is an handicap? I mean, do you choose students who have time to design and plan their work after the selection? | 02:20 |
| llnz | isra17: it is not a great handicap, other than making it hard for you to understand the problem you are taking on | 02:21 |
| isra17 | ok thank | 02:21 |
| llnz | comments posted | 02:21 |
| llnz | all proposals on the web app now have comments | 02:28 |
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| isra17 | ok, if I understand you would like to handle all event in the io_service.run()? Even the non-network event (as the EOT triggered by timer) | 03:09 |
| llnz | yes | 03:18 |
| isra17 | ok, good | 03:20 |
| isra17 | I'm done for tonight, cya | 03:27 |
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| StupidIncarnate | Greywhind up by chance? | 04:58 |
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| jones | can i use java for coding of shorter projects | 05:05 |
| jones | can anyone help me. | 05:09 |
| tansell | jones, your question doesn't really make sense | 05:09 |
| jones | tansell:there are shorter projects like calendar timer,rework module system so i am trying to develop these by using java can i do that? | 05:12 |
| tansell | no | 05:12 |
| tansell | they are all for the C++ server | 05:12 |
| tansell | which naturally requires C++ | 05:12 |
| jones | ya okay thanks | 05:12 |
| glew | tansell, could i have some input on my proposal on the tp wiki? | 05:13 |
| tansell | glew, is your proposal in the application now? | 05:15 |
| glew | tansell, right now i only have a wiki page up, I haven't submitted it as a propsal on gsoc yet | 05:15 |
| tansell | glew, if you submit it to the application you can also get comments there | 05:16 |
| glew | tansell, ok i'll get on that asap, thanks | 05:16 |
| tansell | whats your proposal urls? | 05:17 |
| glew | http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Proposals2010/glew | 05:17 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/5aCd> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 05:17 |
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| tansell | glew, general feedback | 05:18 |
| tansell | glew, have you researched how to save/load the values on the servers or AI? | 05:19 |
| glew | tansell, i guess so, just am i thinking in the right direction | 05:19 |
| tansell | your proposal looks good - it just needs more specifics | 05:20 |
| glew | tansell, well i've looked somewhat at that, do i need to look at the objects stored in the universe | 05:20 |
| tansell | It's got all the major components | 05:20 |
| glew | tansell, one idea that I was unsure of was possibly downloading the universe from the server and trying to store that to a file | 05:21 |
| glew | tansell, but i was unsure if that was correct or not | 05:21 |
| tansell | glew, not really possible | 05:23 |
| glew | tansell, ok, is there something i should look into or focus on to accomplish the goal of save states and scenarios? | 05:24 |
| tansell | glew, well your going to need to figure out a way to get the server to load/save the states | 05:24 |
| glew | tansell, since single player is implemented in the cpp server would that mean i would have to expand the functionality of save/load in cpp? | 05:27 |
| tansell | yeah | 05:29 |
| * llnz notes there is a really easy way to do that | 05:30 | |
| tansell | llnz, except you don't want a single player person to have to run mysql or postgres | 05:30 |
| llnz | way easier than that | 05:31 |
| tansell | llnz, oh? | 05:31 |
| llnz | sqlite, cloned from mysql module | 05:31 |
| llnz | database in a file | 05:31 |
| tansell | but that of course is a non-zero amount of effort | 05:32 |
| llnz | true | 05:37 |
| llnz | debugging especially | 05:37 |
| glew | so by this suggestion, use sqlite to save states in some sort of file as opposed to a mysql or postgres database | 05:39 |
| tansell | glew, well you don't want someone to have to be running mysql/postgress just to play a gam | 05:41 |
| tansell | e | 05:41 |
| glew | so sqlite allows you to get around that? | 05:42 |
| tansell | yeah | 05:42 |
| glew | ok thank you for the input | 05:52 |
| glew | i'll take the recommendations and tailor my proposal to fit them | 05:52 |
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| Epyon | llnz, still here? | 06:35 |
| llnz | yes, working late tonight | 06:36 |
| Epyon | :( | 06:36 |
| tansell | Epyon, submitted your applications to the app yet? | 06:36 |
| llnz | about 10 hours so far | 06:36 |
| Epyon | anyway, I'm unsure about the separation of the proposals | 06:36 |
| Epyon | Both have a big common area | 06:36 |
| Epyon | and the easiest way to do the second one would be taking advantage of boost::asio's proactor (similary how a python server would take advantage of twisted's proactor) | 06:37 |
| llnz | humm... | 06:38 |
| llnz | maybe it would be better to propose the threading/async as an "if time allows"/future work task | 06:38 |
| Epyon | llnz, that's how my proposal is now structured :) | 06:39 |
| llnz | cool | 06:39 |
| Epyon | http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/User:Epyon/2010/TpServerCppAsio | 06:39 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/5N5:> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 06:39 |
| Epyon | I'll add in the new ideas I'd had recently and will push it as a single proposal. | 06:40 |
| tansell | Epyon, last year you bit off more then you could chew, I would be warey to do the same again this year | 06:58 |
| Epyon | tansell, the current plan states that due to midterm I'm getting the primary objective completed, then start working on small steps of the secondary objective that is to be done if time allows | 07:08 |
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| StupidIncarnate | is that backup information or something? | 07:12 |
| llnz | data for the processing i'm currently writing | 07:13 |
| StupidIncarnate | processing? | 07:13 |
| llnz | NDA, can't tell you much more | 07:13 |
| StupidIncarnate | ah figured as much | 07:14 |
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| Epyon | llnz, is there any reason why isn't the whole data loaded from persistence at startup? | 08:03 |
| llnz | Epyon: pontentially, the amount of data is greater than memory available | 08:04 |
| Epyon | llnz, but if the server doesn't crash or isn't turned off it will never free any memory of the game data... | 08:04 |
| llnz | The managers act as caches to the persistence | 08:04 |
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| llnz | except they never expire data, yet | 08:04 |
| Epyon | hmm | 08:05 |
| Epyon | okay, but yes, there may be a future benefit here. | 08:05 |
| llnz | hence the possible plan to "outsource" that functionality to memcached | 08:06 |
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| Epyon | llnz, I've updated the project, care to look at the diff? | 08:14 |
| Epyon | http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/User:Epyon/2010/TpServerCppAsio | 08:14 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/5N5:> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 08:14 |
| llnz | Epyon: good | 08:17 |
| cool_coder | Hi | 08:17 |
| cool_coder | could someone also go through my proposal ? | 08:18 |
| cool_coder | http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Http://www.example.net/wiki/Summer_of_code_cool_coder_tp#About_Me: | 08:18 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/5aF7> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 08:18 |
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| llnz | brb, rebooting | 08:19 |
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| cool_coder | llnz, the first draft of my proposal http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Proposals2010/cool_coder | 08:29 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/5aFN> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 08:29 |
| cool_coder | please go through it whenever you find time | 08:29 |
| null_000 | morning everyone | 08:29 |
| cool_coder | thanks | 08:29 |
| Epyon | llnz, the application went live on the app | 08:32 |
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| llnz | Epyon: cool | 08:34 |
| llnz | cool_coder: I will, i was the one that moved it :-) | 08:35 |
| cool_coder | ohh :) | 08:36 |
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| llnz | ah | 08:56 |
| llnz | cool_coder: I've already commented on your proposal in the webapp, please look there | 08:56 |
| cool_coder | llnz: i am not able to see any comments.. just checked the history..... | 09:04 |
| llnz | not the wiki, the socghop web app | 09:13 |
| cool_coder | ohh will check now | 09:14 |
| cool_coder | llnz: i have tried building the tpserver-cpp | 09:24 |
| cool_coder | i downloaded git extensions as my comp runs on Windows OS, but i am not able to configure it | 09:25 |
| cool_coder | i went through the videos demonstrating how the game is played | 09:26 |
| llnz | it's quite difficult to get tpserver-cpp to compile on windows | 09:28 |
| llnz | there are instructions how to, using cywin | 09:29 |
| null_000 | or you can try coubuntu | 09:29 |
| cool_coder | hmm i tried installing ubuntu | 09:29 |
| cool_coder | but my laptop crashed for some wierd reason, good that i had a backup of data... | 09:30 |
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| llnz | later all | 09:31 |
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| StupidIncarnate | see ya | 09:32 |
| cool_coder | bye | 09:32 |
| tansell | cool_coder, if you are accepted into Thousand Parsec you'll be expected to use Linux for most things | 09:32 |
| cool_coder | tansell, i have an appointment with IT Care to get this resolved and have Linux in my comp...its tomorrow, hopefully this will get resolved | 09:36 |
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| StupidIncarnate | for the proposel on the wiki, should we put the About Me stuff on there as well or just on the app we submit at google's site? | 10:21 |
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| StupidIncarnate | oh well, I'll just keep it on the app portion. Here's my proposal, if I could get comments on it http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Proposals2010/StupidIncarnate's_Proposal | 10:30 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/5aIC> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 10:30 |
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| null_000 | is there a TP proposal counter? | 10:59 |
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| tradedaemon | lol good old 4am session reset on the wireless connection | 11:07 |
| null_000 | ? | 11:08 |
| tradedaemon | the schools wireless connection seems to delete the day's user sessions at 4 am | 11:08 |
| tradedaemon | so I always know I've been up too long when the internet wants me to login again | 11:09 |
| tradedaemon | anyway, what'd be the use of a proposal counter? | 11:09 |
| null_000 | I just want to know with how many people I'm competing with ^_^ | 11:10 |
| tradedaemon | well, there's about seven on the wiki | 11:11 |
| kerbe | mhh. strange. I have boost 1.35.0-r5 installed (gentoo), and configure complains about it: | 11:20 |
| kerbe | ./configure: line 19004: syntax error near unexpected token `1.32.1' | 11:20 |
| kerbe | ./configure: line 19004: `AX_BOOST_BASE(1.32.1)' | 11:20 |
| tradedaemon | maybe it wants ,32 specifically? | 11:21 |
| kerbe | readme at least claims 1.32.1 or later | 11:22 |
| kerbe | could be of course that there is mistake in configure | 11:22 |
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| stupidincarnate | well see you all. to sleep..... maybe | 11:39 |
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| bisc | mithro: Hi, I'm Ivan Ruchkin, posted my proposal for old tp, not 04 long ago. Can you discuss details on tp client-pywx? | 12:04 |
| mithro | sure | 12:05 |
| mithro | ask away | 12:05 |
| bisc | ok, just a second | 12:09 |
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| bisc | first, I can't currently start tp04 successfully - it doesn't connect to my server. Will fix that in the evening. I'd like to know which features of python client should be main for gsoc proposal? | 12:24 |
| mithro | which server are you using? | 12:25 |
| mithro | the one from git? | 12:25 |
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| bisc | I'm using python server from git://git.thousandparsec.net/git/tpserver-py | 12:27 |
| bisc | can it be used unchanged for tp04? | 12:27 |
| mithro | no | 12:34 |
| mithro | IIRC | 12:34 |
| bisc | and how to set it up corretly? maybe I missed a tutorial in wiki? | 12:36 |
| mithro | tpserver-py doesn't support tp04 | 12:37 |
| mithro | you must use tpserver-cpp | 12:37 |
| mithro | I need to head to bed soon | 12:43 |
| mithro | do you have any other questions? | 12:43 |
| bisc | thanks, I'll try it. | 12:44 |
| bisc | well, what about features? maybe you have preferred ones? | 12:44 |
| bisc | which are important and require considerable work | 12:46 |
| bisc | so that I can make them basis of proposal | 12:46 |
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| epyon | I submitted a second proposal BTW | 13:06 |
| epyon | http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/User:Epyon/2010/TpServerCppLuaRulesets | 13:07 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/5aLv> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 13:07 |
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| epyon | Ooookay, finished my submissions for this year. | 15:20 |
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| tanoneku | whats the application count as for now? | 17:00 |
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| StupidIncarnate | is mithro thereL | 17:36 |
| StupidIncarnate | ? | 17:36 |
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| Rakkubaby | hello people | 19:27 |
| null_000 | hello | 19:28 |
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| Rakkubaby | hey guys | 19:54 |
| Rakkubaby | can anyone help me out | 19:54 |
| Rakkubaby | on how i could be a part | 19:54 |
| Rakkubaby | of | 19:54 |
| Rakkubaby | thousand parsec | 19:54 |
| Rakkubaby | dev team | 19:54 |
| Rakkubaby | through gsoc 2010 | 19:54 |
| Rakkubaby | i did g through the ideas page | 19:56 |
| Rakkubaby | and i think i have some ideas regarding the cloning game part | 19:56 |
| Rakkubaby | so who should i speak with?? | 19:56 |
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| llnz | morning all | 20:14 |
| StupidIncarnate | hey | 20:14 |
| bzawisto | hello | 20:14 |
| llnz | hi StupidIncarnate, bzawisto | 20:15 |
| StupidIncarnate | do you have a moment to answer a question about the app information vs the wiki proposal? | 20:15 |
| llnz | sure | 20:17 |
| StupidIncarnate | Is this understanding correct? The google app proposel is more of a selling pitch and a general explanation of what my project is, and the wiki is an elaboration on that general explanation? | 20:19 |
| StupidIncarnate | it sounds like we're supposed to link to the wiki proposal where that's supposed to contain all the details? | 20:19 |
| llnz | basically, yes | 20:20 |
| llnz | but you need to have most of the information (about you, timeline/milestones, what your planning to do etc) in the webapp | 20:21 |
| llnz | the wiki page can have images, and much more information | 20:21 |
| StupidIncarnate | does the wiki page have the about me section as well? | 20:22 |
| llnz | not necessarily | 20:23 |
| StupidIncarnate | ok. I'll have to come back when I finish the app version, but when you get a chance, can you review my wiki proposal? | 20:23 |
| llnz | sure, no prob | 20:24 |
| StupidIncarnate | thanks alot. Also, Rakkubaby had a question | 20:24 |
| StupidIncarnate | before you came | 20:24 |
| Rakkubaby | yeah hello there | 20:25 |
| Rakkubaby | :) | 20:25 |
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| llnz | hi Rakkubaby | 20:25 |
| Rakkubaby | hello there | 20:26 |
| Rakkubaby | i just wanted to ask.. | 20:26 |
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| llnz | StupidIncarnate: looks very good | 20:38 |
| StupidIncarnate | Oh, so quick. Thanks alot. I shall return when the app version is done then. | 20:45 |
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| llnz | afk, meetings | 20:59 |
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| kerbe | did rakkubaby ever ask? :) | 21:30 |
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| nuke440 | Hi all, I was wondering if you've received many apps for GSoC. | 22:42 |
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| nuke440 | Anybody there? | 22:53 |
| marcel_ | yeah | 22:56 |
| llnz | nuke440: a few | 22:56 |
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| llnz | no reason for anyone to not apply | 22:56 |
| nuke440 | yeah. I considered doing it last year, but I didn't think I was quite at the skill level yet to be of any use. I actually just thought today to check to see when the deadline for this year is....only to see that it's in two days. =( | 22:59 |
| nuke440 | I mean, I've looked at the suggested projects page for tp, but I'm not familiar w/ python. I'm familiar with c++, though. Ho w much "mentoring" does a mentor do for something like this? I wouldn't expect to have my hand held or anything, and I'm good at learning things on my own, but the idea of conrtibuting to a project like this seems kind of daunting. | 23:07 |
| llnz | nuke440: typically, we answer questions, review code and make suggestions | 23:14 |
| llnz | it can be anything from 5 hours a week to 20hr for the mentors | 23:15 |
| nuke440 | I was planning on doing an internship this summer, but my wife and I are having our first baby in June, so I thought this might be a good chance to see what real software development is like, and contriute to open source at the same time. | 23:16 |
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