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| paulmcnett | mithro: I think I'm back. md5sums check. Onward... | 00:01 |
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| tansell | paulmcnett, okay | 00:03 |
| tansell | I'm just moving into a talk | 00:03 |
| tansell | but I'll be on my work laptop | 00:03 |
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| paulmcnett | mithro: could you please forward me the current list admin password? :) | 00:12 |
| tansell_laptop | paulmcnett, you get that? | 00:16 |
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| alanp | hello | 01:07 |
| tansell | hello alanp | 01:12 |
| alanp | how's it going? | 01:12 |
| tansell | okay busy busy | 01:16 |
| alanp | I know the feeling, these past two weeks have been a killer @ school | 01:19 |
| tansell | btw Patches are a good thing to do :) | 01:26 |
| alanp | yes :) | 01:28 |
| alanp | I will be submitting some | 01:28 |
| alanp | shortly | 01:28 |
| alanp | Been very bogged down, but I should have free time by Thursday, hopefully that isn't too late! | 01:28 |
| * llnz is travelling, maybe online sometime over easter weekend | 01:46 | |
| llnz | later all | 01:46 |
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| jnengland77 | night all | 02:03 |
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| greenlion | hi mithro, what are the problems with build service? :) | 04:46 |
| mithro | greenlion: it's slow | 04:57 |
| greenlion | oh well | 04:57 |
| mithro | but it's well supported for generating RPMs | 04:58 |
| mithro | but I'm using it to do debs | 04:58 |
| mithro | which it's less designed for | 04:58 |
| greenlion | I don't see builds for Fedora 10/Rawhide | 05:00 |
| mithro | greenlion: oh - yeah they only support released versions | 05:01 |
| greenlion | Fedora 10 is released | 05:01 |
| mithro | then it should be supported | 05:03 |
| mithro | sure is! | 05:04 |
| * mithro adds it to the thousand parsec rpm stuff | 05:04 | |
| greenlion | good | 05:04 |
| * mithro also adds opensuse 11.1 | 05:04 | |
| greenlion | could you add my gccxml spec there too? | 05:04 |
| mithro | greenlion: if you set up an account | 05:05 |
| mithro | you can create your own project to play with | 05:05 |
| greenlion | oh, ok | 05:05 |
| mithro | be right back | 05:06 |
| mithro | diner | 05:06 |
| greenlion | I'm wondering why do they call Fedora 10 as i586 while it is i386 | 05:07 |
| greenlion | anyway, need to go too, be back later | 05:07 |
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| tansell | hey JLafont | 06:46 |
| tansell | JLafont, sorry I never replied to your email | 06:46 |
| JLafont | hey tansell | 06:46 |
| tansell | it sitting my inbox saying "your a bad person" :) | 06:46 |
| JLafont | thats fine. I've actually been a bit busy lately too | 06:46 |
| JLafont | hahaha | 06:46 |
| JLafont | I am :( | 06:46 |
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| tansell | wb Patrick` | 07:37 |
| tansell | opps | 07:37 |
| tansell | JLafont, so it would be good if we could chat about tpserver-py | 08:11 |
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| Patrick` | victim of tab-complete :( | 08:22 |
| tansell | Patrick`, yes | 08:24 |
| Landon | tansell: I don't work on pisg (yet) :P | 08:37 |
| Landon | I've just had preliminary discussions about turning it into a more modular python system | 08:37 |
| mithro | Landon: which branch of python-ogre did you build? | 08:44 |
| mithro | trunk for v1-6? | 08:44 |
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| Landon | easy way to find out? | 08:46 |
| Landon | I'm assuming it's 1.6, why? | 08:47 |
| Landon | ah here we go, from the v1-6 branch | 08:48 |
| Landon | breakfast, be back soon | 08:48 |
| mithro | svn info | 08:50 |
| mithro | Landon: just wondering | 08:50 |
| Landon | I've got jmtans battleviewer running now as well | 09:00 |
| Landon | I'll post an update to my application after class | 09:00 |
| mithro | great! | 09:02 |
| Landon | and I got pdb working! (the most exciting part, heh) | 09:04 |
| mithro | yay! | 09:09 |
| mithro | to be honest I have never used pdb | 09:09 |
| Landon | same here, but it looks pretty flexible... moreso than my old method of inserting print statements all over | 09:14 |
| mithro | ha don't bash the print statement method :) | 09:24 |
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| mithro | woot! a successful compile | 09:28 |
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| Landon | mithro: not bashing :P it's just a little inefficient if you don't know _exactly_ where to be looking | 10:29 |
| mithro | Landon: binary search! :) | 10:32 |
| mithro | Landon: you'll like my last push to the python-ogre codebase | 10:33 |
| mithro | support for multicore machines :) | 10:33 |
| Landon | oohoo! | 10:33 |
| mithro | only works on the compile step for the wrappers | 10:33 |
| Landon | (although hopefully I don't need to rebuild it in the forseeable future :P) | 10:34 |
| mithro | but it does help quite a bit on my 8 core machine | 10:34 |
| mithro | Landon: i really hope to get some usable debs sometime in the future | 10:34 |
| mithro | but for now I'm heading home | 10:34 |
| mithro | gnight! | 10:34 |
| Landon | night! | 10:34 |
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| Vadtec | afternoon all | 13:40 |
| didi | Vadtec: afternoon | 13:51 |
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| num3472 | howdy | 14:23 |
| num3472 | I'm a GsoC applicant poking around in things | 14:24 |
| num3472 | looking for some feedback on my application | 14:24 |
| num3472 | (saving game data, Garrick Peschke) | 14:25 |
| num3472 | on monday nash said : You need to add a lot more detail on how you will go about it. Also I'm not convinced from that you understand what it you are doing wrt to saving data and the server. | 14:26 |
| num3472 | so I've added a comment revising it | 14:26 |
| num3472 | and I was wondering if I could get some more feedback about it now | 14:26 |
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| Noughmad | you can still edit applications? | 14:32 |
| num3472 | unfortunately not | 14:32 |
| num3472 | but you can comment on them | 14:32 |
| Noughmad | ah, ok | 14:32 |
| num3472 | so I just added it as a comment | 14:32 |
| Noughmad | tnx | 14:33 |
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| vivri | hey all | 16:10 |
| cherez | Hey one. | 16:12 |
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| num3472 | howdy | 16:44 |
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| llnz | hi num3472 | 16:48 |
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| llnz | hi greenlion | 16:49 |
| num3472 | nice to meet you | 16:50 |
| num3472 | I'm one of the prospective GSOC students who are you? | 16:50 |
| llnz | num3472: i'm the Lee Begg, the semi-half-co-founder of Thousand Parsec | 17:00 |
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| greenlion | hi llnz | 17:12 |
| num3472 | nice to meet you | 17:13 |
| num3472 | you must know everybody then | 17:13 |
| num3472 | or at least a whole heck of a lot of them | 17:14 |
| Noughmad | llnz: how much of tpproto-cpp is currently functional? | 17:17 |
| llnz | Noughmad: libtpproto-cpp? most of it | 17:18 |
| llnz | only thing not working is messages and orders | 17:18 |
| llnz | num3472: yes | 17:18 |
| llnz | num3472: mithro started the project and I joined on the first day, designed the protocol and wrote most of the C++ things | 17:19 |
| Noughmad | I was playing (programming, not the game itself) with it today and I got to the point of getting objects | 17:19 |
| llnz | cool | 17:19 |
| llnz | Noughmad: there is a test program which might help | 17:19 |
| llnz | also look at tpclient-cpptext and tpadmin-cpp | 17:19 |
| Noughmad | the text client? | 17:19 |
| Noughmad | I wanted to look at it before, but then forgot | 17:20 |
| num3472 | so you are behind the c++ stuff | 17:21 |
| num3472 | who is behind the python server? | 17:21 |
| llnz | num3472: mithro mostly | 17:21 |
| num3472 | so you kinda developed them in tandem | 17:22 |
| llnz | yes | 17:22 |
| llnz | i mostly did the server, and mithro mostly did the client | 17:23 |
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| llnz | in the early days | 17:23 |
| num3472 | are they structured the same way, cause the C++ server's documentation is really good and I was wondering how much overlap there was | 17:23 |
| llnz | no, the python and C++ servers are very different | 17:24 |
| llnz | the python server isn't much more than a wrapper around a database | 17:24 |
| llnz | c++ server does a lot more, caching etc | 17:24 |
| num3472 | thank you so much for answering my questions btw | 17:25 |
| num3472 | I really appreciate it | 17:25 |
| num3472 | So that means I need to go look at the python server closer because that will be harder to save the data in | 17:26 |
| num3472 | I'll do that latter though. What was it like to startup a project? | 17:27 |
| llnz | there were a lot of choices to make, direction and vision to decide apon, etc | 17:28 |
| llnz | it took a long time to write any code (1-2 years iirc) | 17:28 |
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| num3472 | wow | 17:28 |
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| num3472 | you just had other commitments or was it all spent in the planning? | 17:29 |
| num3472 | deciding what you really wanted | 17:29 |
| num3472 | had you done any other projects before? | 17:30 |
| llnz | well, we were both at uni (different ones) doing our degrees | 17:30 |
| llnz | we were both involved in the WorldForge project | 17:31 |
| num3472 | and had gotten a feel for what is involved in a opensource project | 17:31 |
| num3472 | initially was it just you and mithro or was there others that came and went? | 17:33 |
| llnz | there were a few others that hung around, but until nash and JLP joinned (around AI compeitition, early 2007) (iirc) | 17:36 |
| num3472 | what has nash done? | 17:39 |
| Noughmad | #if 0 is some evil commenting :) | 17:51 |
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| llnz | nash wrote a client (with an AI inside as well), called galaxie | 17:51 |
| llnz | using the e17 libraries | 17:52 |
| llnz | and then we have had others join since then | 17:59 |
| num3472 | GSoc has been good to you hasn't it? | 17:59 |
| llnz | good for the project, yes | 18:01 |
| num3472 | but not for you? | 18:04 |
| llnz | it helps get things done | 18:07 |
| llnz | it's ok | 18:07 |
| num3472 | but it's a lot of hassle for you | 18:07 |
| llnz | just with working full time and the timezones makes it harder | 18:08 |
| llnz | but it is really cool to have new people helping out, especially long term | 18:08 |
| num3472 | yeah | 18:08 |
| num3472 | well I've got to go now, bye | 18:10 |
| llnz | bbl, maybe | 18:27 |
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| nash | didi: Ping? | 22:12 |
| didi | nash: Pong | 22:21 |
| nash | just replying to your email... or would you prefer it here... | 22:21 |
| didi | nash: Either way. In the e-mail I could reread it later. | 22:22 |
| nash | cool | 22:23 |
| nash | doing now... | 22:23 |
| didi | nash: Nice. :-) | 22:24 |
| nash | didi: There are a couple of other poeple who have done some NN stuff here BTW. If you can convince one of them it's feasible I'm happy. | 22:24 |
| didi | nash: I would love to. Who are they? | 22:25 |
| * nash can't recall | 22:26 | |
| nash | sorry | 22:27 |
| nash | VIncent has done some | 22:27 |
| didi | That's ok. | 22:27 |
| nash | There was someone else I htink too. | 22:27 |
| * nash notes vincent has commented privately on your application, but not publically | 22:27 | |
| nash | didi: On the flip side... hard questions mean we looking seriously... I | 22:28 |
| didi | nash: Nice. I know it is a hard decision for you guys. But I am very exciting by the idea of doing it. | 22:28 |
| didi | excited* | 22:29 |
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| nash | didi: Shall I put my comments on the wiki too? | 22:52 |
| didi | nash: The way you prefer. I do not know the protocol here. | 22:53 |
| nash | Email & wiki talk page... | 23:01 |
| * nash now goes and gets lunch | 23:01 | |
| didi | nash: Great. I will read it. | 23:01 |
| didi | nash: Nice lunch. | 23:01 |
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| didi | Good night all. It's time to bed here in Brazil. :-) Bye. | 23:10 |
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