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| llnz | later all | 01:08 |
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| battousai1373 | hey everybody | 03:10 |
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| mithro | hello battousai1373 | 03:19 |
| battousai1373 | what's up, mithro? | 03:20 |
| mithro | battousai1373: have you gotten any feedback on your proposal yet? | 03:20 |
| battousai1373 | not yet | 03:21 |
| mithro | okay | 03:21 |
| mithro | some informal feedback | 03:21 |
| mithro | - kill those horrible lines | 03:21 |
| battousai1373 | in the resume? | 03:22 |
| mithro | yeah | 03:22 |
| mithro | have a read of | 03:22 |
| mithro | - http://forums.thousandparsec.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=101 | 03:22 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1k6h> (at forums.thousandparsec.com) | 03:22 |
| mithro | this one is the more important "Tip 3 - Include assertive Functional Milestones" | 03:22 |
| battousai1373 | I didn't word them with "will". I suppose they could be more assertive, but for example, "Basic graph planning implemented and working." means it *will* work. | 03:25 |
| battousai1373 | I'd edit it to say so, but I can't anymore. | 03:25 |
| battousai1373 | Should I put a comment in there? | 03:25 |
| battousai1373 | Tip 5 is out, I guess. | 03:27 |
| mithro | battousai1373: I think you are missing the point | 03:27 |
| mithro | Basic graph planning will be implemented and working != function milestone | 03:27 |
| mithro | that is not something which is easily testable or visible | 03:28 |
| battousai1373 | So you want "Graph will be capable of planning X", correct? | 03:29 |
| mithro | we don't care that you have a working A* algorithm unless you can show us in a clear and consise way that it works | 03:29 |
| battousai1373 | Graph planning* | 03:29 |
| mithro | battousai1373: no - it's output, results | 03:29 |
| mithro | visible to people who have no knowledge of the internals | 03:29 |
| mithro | assuming that a person only gets a compile binary - in functionality wise how will it perform differently | 03:30 |
| battousai1373 | I understand what you're saying. You want to know what to expect to see it do. | 03:30 |
| battousai1373 | worded very explicitly | 03:31 |
| mithro | yeah | 03:32 |
| battousai1373 | "In situation X, behavior Y will perform actions A, B, and C in that order." Something like that? | 03:32 |
| mithro | someone who has no knowledge of your code should be able to sit down add test that your thing meets the milestones | 03:32 |
| mithro | s/add/and | 03:33 |
| battousai1373 | gotcha | 03:33 |
| mithro | and no knowledge of how your thing works | 03:33 |
| mithro | ahh - think more blackbox testing | 03:33 |
| battousai1373 | more action-response? | 03:34 |
| battousai1373 | "If the player does X, he should expect to see the client do Y." | 03:34 |
| battousai1373 | Should I make an update to my proposal in comments then or what's the procedure? | 03:35 |
| mithro | battousai1373: yeah | 03:35 |
| mithro | battousai1373: you get a single update each time a mentor leaves a comment | 03:35 |
| battousai1373 | ah ok | 03:36 |
| mithro | but if we change anything like the score it will revert to being read-only for you | 03:36 |
| battousai1373 | fair enough | 03:36 |
| mithro | I'm adding a comment now | 03:36 |
| battousai1373 | ok | 03:37 |
| mithro | I would also recommend creating a wiki page where you flesh out more details of your proposal | 03:37 |
| mithro | have a look at http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/vi1985_proposal | 03:38 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1jXA> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 03:38 |
| battousai1373 | I have class in less than 9 hours, so you can expect to see an update sometime tomorrow. | 03:38 |
| mithro | it lets us see a history of your proposal | 03:38 |
| mithro | and if you hit the character limit, you can put extra stuff there | 03:39 |
| mithro | your application should however entice us to view your extra link - it should contain the body and most important parts of your proposal | 03:39 |
| battousai1373 | ok | 03:40 |
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| mithro | battousai1373: you can also update a wiki page without any help from us :) | 03:40 |
| battousai1373 | That's a definite plus. | 03:40 |
| mithro | anyway I have to head off | 03:41 |
| mithro | see ya | 03:41 |
| battousai1373 | ok | 03:41 |
| battousai1373 | thanks for the feedback | 03:41 |
| mithro | no problems | 03:41 |
| battousai1373 | see ya | 03:41 |
| mithro | o btw - you can find lots of interesting tibits about AI in our IRC logs | 03:41 |
| mithro | andrei and vi895 have been discussing it quite a bit | 03:41 |
| mithro | see the topic for info on where to find them | 03:42 |
| battousai1373 | ok | 03:42 |
| battousai1373 | thank you | 03:42 |
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| geirha | do I have to wait for a reset to get a homeworld? and how often is a reset (on demo1)? | 13:17 |
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| JLP | good evning all | 14:47 |
| bddebian | Hello JLP | 14:47 |
| f0ster | hellow all | 14:52 |
| f0ster | hmm | 14:52 |
| bddebian | Hello f0ster | 14:54 |
| f0ster | good afternoon | 14:54 |
| f0ster | I'll brb... | 14:54 |
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| f0ster | how's everyone today | 15:06 |
| JLP | f0ster: i'm happy that the release day at work is over, looking forward to more time and being less stressed :) | 15:08 |
| f0ster | JLP: where do you work? | 15:14 |
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| JLP | f0ster: a software vompany here in slovenia, Hermes SoftLab | 15:17 |
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| f0ster | JLP: sounds busy, i just finished writing some code I had to hand in today.. although mine probably didn't take as long as yours | 15:20 |
| f0ster | what kind of software do you write | 15:20 |
| JLP | f0ster: well we are contracted to work for the ex-HP Storage Unit, so backup stuff and similar | 15:24 |
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| llnz | morning all | 16:57 |
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| llnz | hi Epyon | 18:41 |
| Epyon | hi llnz :) | 18:41 |
| Epyon | is mithro around somewhere? | 18:41 |
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| llnz | not yet | 18:42 |
| Epyon | llnz, JLP, I've added the timelines to the wiki, and updated the application with replies to comments. If mithro appears after I leave, then please convey that to him. | 18:57 |
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| llnz | hi mithro | 19:17 |
| mithro | morning | 19:18 |
| nash | heyo llnz | 19:20 |
| Epyon | mithro, I added more detailed timelines in the wiki, and commented about that in the proposals | 19:58 |
| Epyon | sorry I'm so late :( | 19:58 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 21:06 |
| nash | heyo bddebian | 21:12 |
| nash | So bddebian, now all the requirements for galaxie are in debian unstable... ;-) | 21:12 |
| bddebian | Oh yeah? | 21:13 |
| llnz | nash: cool! | 21:13 |
| nash | bddebian: Sorry, s/unstable/experimental/ but still | 21:15 |
| llnz | damn | 21:15 |
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| bddebian | Hey it's a start. | 21:15 |
| nash | http://qa.debian.org/[email protected] | 21:16 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1nWL> (at qa.debian.org) | 21:16 |
| bddebian | We still don't even have wx2.8 for Thoussand Parsec yet either :-( | 21:16 |
| nash | bddebian: I still need emotion so I can put the music in :-/ but aside from that | 21:17 |
| nash | (emotion is required for the main build at the moment) | 21:17 |
| mithro | bddebian: damn - are we mirroring the wx widgets in our packages repository yet? | 21:24 |
| bddebian | Grr, no, I haven't done that :-( | 21:25 |
| mithro | bddebian: oh and that email | 21:42 |
| bddebian | Aye | 21:55 |
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| mithro | bblr | 22:25 |
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| mithro | back | 23:10 |
| mithro | ~seen geirha | 23:16 |
| tpb | mithro: geirha was last seen in #tp 9 hours, 58 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <geirha> do I have to wait for a reset to get a homeworld? and how often is a reset (on demo1)? | 23:16 |
| mithro | ~seen ezod | 23:16 |
| tpb | mithro: ezod was last seen in #tp 1 week, 6 days, 1 hour, 55 minutes, and 1 second ago: <ezod> heh, k, brb | 23:16 |
| mithro | ezod: pong? | 23:16 |
| mithro | s/pong/ping/ | 23:16 |
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