Sunday, 2008-03-23

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mithro	oh, I see the problem	00:00
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r45577ed56f2e /setup.py: Small fix for version freezing on Mac OS X.	00:06
mithro	greywhind: give that a god	00:06
mithro	s/god/go	00:07
greywhind	l	00:07
mithro	l?	00:09
greywhind	sorry	00:09
greywhind	tpclient-pywx Error	00:10
greywhind	An unexpected error has occurred during execution of the main script	00:10
greywhind	AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'version_str'	00:10
greywhind	err	00:10
greywhind	tpclient-pywx Error	00:10
greywhind	An unexpected error has occurred during execution of the main script	00:10
greywhind	Exception: ('Version number mismatch', '1.0.1', '1.0.2')	00:10
mithro	wtf?	00:10
mithro	can you get me the complete output?	00:11
greywhind	mithro: ok	00:11
greywhind	mithro: of the setup? or just the running of the client?	00:11
mithro	actually	00:11
mithro	you updated, then did a "git reset --hard" then a "python setup.py py2app" and then running the client gave that error?	00:12
greywhind	i may have forgotten the git reset --hard after updating... let me re-run the packaging one more time just to make sure	00:12
ApacheChief	hey Mithro, ever heard of Silverlight?	00:16
greywhind	mithro: still the same problem, but this one only happens from the package, not from the git repo	00:16
mithro	I have no idea what the "Version number mismatch" is coming from	00:17
mithro	nothing has a version 1.0.1	00:17
mithro	can you get the full output of running the client from the package?	00:17
greywhind	mithro: it's not much...	00:17
greywhind	greywhind (09:21 PM):~/Desktop/tpclient-pywx.app/Contents/MacOS > ./tpclient-pywx	00:17
greywhind	2008-03-22 21:21:17.630 tpclient-pywx[4269] tpclient-pywx Error	00:17
greywhind	2008-03-22 21:21:17.631 tpclient-pywx[4269] tpclient-pywx Error	00:17
greywhind	An unexpected error has occurred during execution of the main script	00:17
greywhind	Exception: ('Version number mismatch', '1.0.1', '1.0.2')	00:17
mithro	is there a "log.txt" there?	00:18
greywhind	mithro: no	00:19
mithro	I have NFI what is going on	00:19
mithro	that doesn't appear to be coming from our code	00:19
greywhind	mithro: well... it only happens in the packaged version...	00:19
greywhind	are we forgetting to include something?	00:20
mithro	I can't see why that would be a "version number mismatch"	00:21
greywhind	mithro:	00:22
greywhind	http://rafb.net/p/poEObI16.html (115 lines)	00:22
tpb	Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)	00:22
mithro	hrm... something has gone wrong	00:23
mithro	as it shouldn't be referencing /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/numpy/	00:23
mithro	greywhind: can you get me the output of your setup.py run?	00:27
greywhind	mithro: sure	00:27
greywhind	mithro: herre	00:28
greywhind	http://rafb.net/p/MzyTT210.html (1284 lines)	00:28
tpb	Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)	00:28
mithro	greywhind: what happens if you had "ctypes" into the includes bit of setup.py	00:33
greywhind	line 213?	00:34
mithro	hrm.... greywhind have you tried issuing orders on Mac OS X?	00:37
greywhind	mithro: yes, I have... i think it worked	00:38
greywhind	mithro: same error still	00:39
mithro	greywhind: the BuildFleet order looks all mangled on 10.5	00:39
greywhind	mithro: i didn't test that one	00:39
greywhind	mithro: "includes": ['ctypes'],	00:40
greywhind	did i do that right?	00:40
mithro	yeah	00:41
mithro	still same problem?	00:42
greywhind	mithro: yep	00:42
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mithro	WTF!???	00:47
mithro	greywhind: can you backoff to the last tag and see if you are able to build the binary from that?	00:47
greywhind	mithro: ok... what's the best way to do that?	00:47
mithro	"git checkout TPCLIENT_PYWX_0_3_0" might work	00:48
greywhind	i assume I should do this in another director?	00:48
greywhind	*directory	00:48
mithro	don't have to	00:49
greywhind	fatal: Untracked working tree file 'COPYING' would be overwritten by merge.	00:50
mithro	"git reset --hard" first?	00:50
greywhind	same thing	00:50
greywhind	just delete the file?	00:50
mithro	yeah	00:51
greywhind	mithro:	00:52
greywhind	http://rafb.net/p/oIMoLC97.html (17 lines)	00:52
tpb	Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)	00:52
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mithro	greywhind: oh	00:56
mithro	you'll need to do what git suggests	00:56
mithro	create a local branch	00:56
greywhind	so git checkout -b release030 TPCLIENT_PYWX_0_3_0?	00:57
greywhind	or do i not need the "TPCLIENT_PYWX_0_3_0"	00:57
greywhind	mithro:	00:59
greywhind	http://rafb.net/p/59aYCZ41.html (38 lines)	00:59
tpb	Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)	00:59
mithro	greywhind: oh, sorry	01:04
mithro	use cc94aa32e5b2286be8cf97963bd60d63d3d2a8b9 instead of that tag	01:05
greywhind	mithro: ok... it runs again :P	01:06
greywhind	now git reset --hard and setup?	01:07
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greywhind	greywhind (10:12 PM):/Programming/ThousandParsecDev/tpclient-pywx-dev > python ./setup.py py2app	01:07
greywhind	Version is 0.3.0	01:07
greywhind	['extra', 'tp', 'windows', 'extra.wxFloatCanvas', 'tp.client', 'tp.netlib', 'windows.main', 'windows.xrc', 'extra.wxFloatCanvas.Utilities', 'tp.client.pyscheme', 'tp.netlib.discover', 'tp.netlib.objects', 'tp.netlib.support', 'tp.netlib.tests', 'windows.main.overlays', 'tp.netlib.discover.pyZeroconf', 'tp.netlib.objects.ObjectExtra', 'tp.netlib.objects.OrderExtra']	01:07
greywhind	Traceback (most recent call last):	01:07
greywhind	File "./setup.py", line 174, in <module>	01:07
greywhind	os.system('python version.py --fix > %s' % os.path.join(privatepath, 'version.py'))	01:07
greywhind	NameError: name 'privatepath' is not defined	01:07
vi1985	Hey everyone, I'm here for just a sec (valuable sleep to catch up on!). Just wanted to let you know that my project proposal is ready	01:09
vi1985	I posted it on the wiki: http://thousandparsec.com/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/vi1985_proposal	01:09
tpb	<http://ln-s.net/1iO_> (at thousandparsec.com)	01:09
mithro	greywhind: well looks like that was a complete failure :/	01:10
mithro	vi1985: cool will look at it later	01:10
greywhind	mithro: i'm going to eat some dessert... will return	01:10
vi1985	mithro: thx. I'll appreciate any comments!	01:11
mithro	greywhind: why does mac always have to be such a pain in the butt?	01:12
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greywhind	mithro: good question. back, by the way	01:19
mithro	you could just remove that line from setup.py	01:20
greywhind	mithro: trying it	01:21
greywhind	mithro: same version mismatch :(	01:24
mithro	greywhind: okay - so the question is, what did you change on your computer?	01:24
greywhind	mithro: my wxWidgets version perhaps?	01:25
mithro	hrm.. maybe your numpy version?	01:25
greywhind	which I updated since building the 0.3.0 release?	01:25
mithro	I guess so	01:26
mithro	that is the only explianation I can come up with	01:26
mithro	could you try seeing if there is a newer version?	01:26
greywhind	mithro: here's lines 1-20 of the file causing the error:	01:29
greywhind	http://pastebin.com/d5fa8315	01:30
greywhind	mithro	01:32
greywhind	greywhind (10:28 PM):/Programming/ThousandParsecDev/tpclient-pywx-dev > python	01:32
greywhind	Python 2.5.1 (r251:54869, Apr 18 2007, 22:08:04)	01:32
greywhind	[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5367)] on darwin	01:32
greywhind	Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.	01:32
greywhind	>>> from _ctypes import __version__	01:32
greywhind	>>> from _ctypes import __version__ as _ctypes_version	01:32
greywhind	>>> print _ctypes_version	01:32
greywhind	1.0.2	01:32
greywhind	so... not sure how it's getting 1.0.1	01:32
mithro	why don't you just remove that version check for the moment?	01:32
greywhind	mithro: ok	01:33
greywhind	mithro: tpclient-pywx Error	01:36
greywhind	An unexpected error has occurred during execution of the main script	01:36
greywhind	AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'VisualAttributes_font_get'	01:36
greywhind	there's clearly something referencing the wrong version of something	01:36
mithro	greywhind: :(	01:41
greywhind	mithro: is there supposed to be nothing in the includes line?	01:43
mithro	greywhind: yes	01:46
greywhind	http://rafb.net/p/BwQLuc10.html (20 lines)	01:47
greywhind	http://rafb.net/p/toofast.html (20 lines)	01:47
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mithro	greywhind: where did that VisualAttributes_font_get come from?	01:50
greywhind	mithro: not sure... it didn't seem to add anything to the log	01:50
mithro	greywhind: so you removed the version check from numpy and then.....?	01:51
greywhind	mithro: i re-created the package and ran it	01:51
mithro	and what happens?	01:52
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r02056c12ca86 /windows/xrc/orderList.xrc: Added a minimum size for MacOS X.	01:52
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r8b79a0e2a11e /extra/__init__.py: Fixed the column sizes on MacOS X.	01:52
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * rcb5162226317 /windows/main/panelOrder.py: Force the Number size to be the same size as everything else.	01:52
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * rc12d859c9c9e /windows/main/panelOrder.py:	01:52
CIA-13	Show the divider line, layout the Details Panel at a later stage.	01:52
CIA-13	Makes MacOS X work better.	01:52
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r091400ba7eb6 /windows/main/panelOrder.py: Small fixes for MacOS X.	01:52
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r3100d34b766c /windows/xrc/orderList.xrc: Make the orderList look a little better under MacOS X.	01:52
greywhind	the error: "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'VisualAttributes_font_get'"	01:52
greywhind	mithro: here's the full text that just appeared when I re-ran it	01:53
greywhind	http://rafb.net/p/HPN4mQ14.html (90 lines)	01:53
tpb	Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)	01:53
mithro	greywhind: does that pop-up in a window or?	01:53
greywhind	mithro: yeah	01:53
mithro	greywhind: how are you running your app?	01:54
greywhind	mithro: double-clicking on it, in this case. but I've also run it from the command line	01:55
mithro	just trying to reproduce it here	01:55
mithro	greywhind: what is the exact commandline you are using?	01:55
greywhind	mithro: are you using the same wxWidgets version?	01:55
greywhind	mithro: from inside the .app file, in Contents/MacOS/	01:56
greywhind	mithro: I run ./tpclient-pywx	01:56
mithro	I'm using 2.8.7.1	01:56
mithro	hrm... I just get nothing when I try that here :/	01:57
greywhind	mithro: i'm using 2.8.7.1 as well	01:58
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mithro	greywhind: what numpy version are you using?	02:00
greywhind	mithro: what if I just reset everything to the newest updated version, build the package, then send it to you so you can see if it's just my computer	02:00
greywhind	mithro: 1.0.3	02:00
mithro	greywhind: try doing the following "sudo easy_install py2app" to check you have the latest py2app installed	02:02
greywhind	http://rafb.net/p/1qhvBI31.html (9 lines)	02:03
tpb	Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net)	02:03
mithro	hrm....	02:03
greywhind	mthro: any ideas?	02:16
mithro	greywhind: I'm afraid not	02:20
mithro	my only suggestion is to remove python and reinstall	02:20
greywhind	mithro: i'll do it tomorrow, i guess	02:21
mithro	I have found a different problem when packaging locally	02:22
greywhind	what's that?	02:22
mithro	it can't find the XRC files because of the new location() stuff	02:24
greywhind	i hate packaging :(	02:25
mithro	so do I	02:26
mithro	specially on Mac	02:26
greywhind	nod	02:26
mithro	at least on Windows things seem to fail for fairly sensible reasons	02:28
mithro	no wonder mac software is so expensive	02:36
greywhind	heh	02:38
mithro	greywhind: you heading to bed now?	02:40
greywhind	mithro: very soon	02:41
mithro	greywhind: well managed to fix my problem	02:56
greywhind	mithro: cool	02:56
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * rfdff14226a41 /setup.py: Restore the version.py before running.	02:58
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * rcffe74105cae /requirements.py: Fix the location of resources when using a MacOS X frozen binary.	02:58
mithro	greywhind: want to see if any of those fix your problem?	02:58
greywhind	mithro: so i should switch to the origin branch and update?	02:58
mithro	greywhind: yeah	02:58
mithro	git checkout master	02:58
mithro	cg-update	02:58
greywhind	mithro: building package	03:00
JLP	morning all	03:04
JLP	mithro: yeah, i pushed the updated translation before i went sleeping	03:05
mithro	JLP: cool	03:06
mithro	JLP: you see the new help on Guest window?	03:06
greywhind	mithro: still getting this	03:06
greywhind	tpclient-pywx Error	03:06
greywhind	An unexpected error has occurred during execution of the main script	03:06
greywhind	AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'VisualAttributes_font_get'	03:06
mithro	greywhind: :/	03:06
greywhind	:(	03:07
mithro	well - at least we know it's your system then	03:07
mithro	as it seems to build fine here	03:07
JLP	mithro: yes, seen it	03:07
greywhind	mithro: i'll try reinstalling stuff tomorrow.	03:07
mithro	JLP: what do you think?	03:07
mithro	JLP: could also use your help with http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/documents/tpclient-pywx/	03:08
tpb	<http://ln-s.net/1iP+> (at www.thousandparsec.net)	03:08
mithro	as you know what is happening with the videos	03:08
mithro	~seen Appleman1234	03:08
tpb	mithro: Appleman1234 was last seen in #tp 2 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 38 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <Appleman1234> bbl	03:08
JLP	mithro: i think it is nice so that new paople know what could be going on	03:09
mithro	JLP: I hope to have these on each window the first time that people see them	03:10
JLP	mithro: just checked the shortlog on git but can't see my translation update	03:11
mithro	JLP: did you forget to push?	03:11
JLP	mithro: nope	03:11
JLP	mithro: oh it's there in the master branch	03:12
mithro	greywhind: actually I have another theory	03:12
greywhind	mithro: oh?	03:13
mithro	greywhind: go into dist/tpclient-pywx.app/Contents/Resources/lib/python2.5	03:13
greywhind	mithro: ok	03:14
mithro	of wait	03:14
mithro	that won't work	03:14
mithro	don't worry	03:17
greywhind	mithro: anything else you'd like me to try tonight?	03:20
mithro	greywhind: no, have a good night	03:20
greywhind	mithro: ok. cya	03:20
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JLP	mithro: how do i "backport" a patch from master to stable?	03:32
mithro	JLP: depends	03:35
mithro	probably "git cherry-pick <patch id>" is the best way	03:35
mithro	or "git merge stable" is another	03:35
mithro	or you could use git rebase - but that is a little hearder	03:37
JLP	mithro: and before i cherrpy pick i should probably do a git-checkout stable and switch to stable?	03:40
mithro	"git checkout stable" will switch you to the stable branch	03:41
mithro	although you probably want to merge stable into your master	03:41
mithro	rather then merging master into your table?	03:41
JLP	hm the slovenian updates are already in master, just ont in stable	03:42
JLP	at least if i'm reading the git web right	03:43
mithro	there should not be a master branch on git.tp.net	03:43
mithro	oh, looks like you some how accidently pushed a master :/	03:44
mithro	JLP: do you have a local copy of your updates?	03:45
JLP	mithro: yes a have th mo and po files separately	03:45
JLP	mithro: probably i should just recheckout everyhing and copy over the files and push again	03:45
mithro	JLP: okay try this	03:47
mithro	git checkout stable	03:47
mithro	git merge master	03:47
mithro	git branch -d master	03:47
mithro	that all work?	03:48
JLP	error: pathspec 'stable' did not match any file(s) known to git.	03:49
mithro	hrm	03:50
mithro	JLP: okay just do a fresh checkout	03:51
JLP	yeah it's behaving wierdly, i'll just wipe the whole thing and start anew	03:51
JLP	hm it looks like the push did the same thing again, i must be doinf somthing wrong	03:57
* JLafont is back.		03:58
JLafont	mithro: When I try to run tpsai-py I keep getting a cannot import error and the only thing I can think of is circulatory importing.	03:59
JLP	ah damn, i forgot the #stable at the end when checkouting, maybe i need some more sleep :)	04:00
mithro	JLafont: tpsai-py only works against the libtpclient-py-0.2.x version	04:01
JLafont	http://rafb.net/p/3ZWaqA94.html	04:01
tpb	Title: Nopaste - Error when trying to run tpsai-py (at rafb.net)	04:01
mithro	JLafont: tpsai-py only works against the libtpclient-py-0.2.x version	04:02
JLafont	Its from cache linking to threads which links to cache	04:02
JLafont	Thats my error at least	04:02
JLafont	Ok, I'll try with that then	04:02
CIA-13	jlp tpclient-pywx-stable * r212676794228 /locale/sl/ (tpclient-pywx.mo tpclient-pywx.po): Updated Slovenian translations for the upcoming version 0.3.1	04:02
mithro	JLP: yay!	04:05
JLP	mithro: oh yeah about the videos, looks like my wisdom tooth is behaving today so i will be able to record the second part and the voice for the first part	04:05
mithro	JLP: is the first part up somewhere?	04:06
JLP	mithro: not yet since it doesn't have any voice in it yet	04:06
mithro	ah, I just re-read your sentance :)	04:07
JLP	my plan is to first just talk and record the video and then add voice, which is easier to edit then video if something goes wrong	04:08
* JLP goes to make&eat some breakfast and then he'll go continue recording the videos		04:22
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JLafont	ok it worked! I'm going to go to bed now. Thanks for explaining how to get tpsai-py to work	04:44
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JLP	mithro: while checking out the client i get this when trying to connect with guest account:	04:53
JLP	metaserver_browse <RemoteBrowser(RemoteBrowser, started)>	04:53
JLP	Connecting to demo1.thousandparsec.net <type 'unicode'> 6923 <type 'int'>	04:53
JLP	Connecting to failed	04:53
JLP	WARNING: <function OnNetworkConnect at 0x1ac2b18> called when <win Račun> was not shown!	04:53
JLP	Traceback (most recent call last):	04:53
JLP	File "./tpclient-pywx", line 352, in Post	04:54
JLP	getattr(self, func)(event)	04:54
JLP	File "./tpclient-pywx", line 385, in OnNetworkFailure	04:54
JLP	print "OnNetworkFailure", evt	04:54
JLP	UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u0161' in position 79: ordinal not in range(128)	04:54
JLP	OnNetworkFailure WARNING: <function OnNetworkFailure at 0x1ac2e60> called when <win Račun> was not shown!	04:54
* mithro beats python is proper unicode support		04:54
mithro	s/is/with/	04:54
mithro	let me guess	04:56
mithro	s = _("There was an unknown network error.\n")	04:56
mithro	s += _("Any changes since last save have been lost.\n")	04:56
mithro	if getattr(self.connection, 'debug', False):	04:56
mithro	s += _("A traceback of the error was printed to the console.\n")	04:56
mithro	one of those lines translates with a non-ascii character?	04:56
JLP	yup	04:57
mithro	any idea how to type non-ascii characters?	04:57
JLP	something like kcharselect	04:58
JLP	u'\u0161' in this case is probably š	04:59
mithro	JLP: can you try the following	05:06
mithro	change line 323 in tp/client/threads.py	05:06
mithro	to have a u before the "	05:07
mithro	ie	05:07
mithro	u"There	05:07
mithro	what is your LANG setting btw?	05:09
JLP	mithro: sl_SI.utf8	05:09
JLP	mithro: i tried adding u before all of the above mentioned strings oround that line, didn't help	05:12
JLP	mithro: unicode("...") doesn't work here?	05:13
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Appleman1234	mithro, laptop is currently under repair and hence the delay	06:06
mithro	:/	06:09
CIA-13	mithro libtpclient-py-stable * rc61cfa18715d /tp/client/threads.py: Exceptions now output a str on __str__ instead of a unicode.	06:37
CIA-13	mithro libtpclient-py-refs/tags/LIBTPCLIENT_0_3_1 * rc61cfa18715d /tp/client/threads.py: Exceptions now output a str on __str__ instead of a unicode.	06:37
mithro	JLP: can you give that a go?	06:38
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JLP	mithro: let's see	06:44
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JLP	mithro: i got this error	06:49
JLP	Using the following AUI <module 'wx.aui' from '/usr/lib64/python2.5/site-packages/wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode/wx/aui.pyc'>	06:50
JLP	Traceback (most recent call last):	06:50
JLP	File "./tpclient-pywx", line 27, in <module>	06:50
JLP	from tp.client.threads import NotImportantEvent, Event	06:50
JLP	File "./tp/client/threads.py", line 40, in <module>	06:50
JLP	class Application(object):	06:50
JLP	File "./tp/client/threads.py", line 49, in Application	06:50
JLP	CacheClass = Cache	06:50
JLP	NameError: name 'Cache' is not defined	06:50
CIA-13	mithro libtpclient-py-stable * r20c174ce7bb5 /tp/client/threads.py: Accidently removed a line with previous patch.	06:52
CIA-13	mithro libtpclient-py-refs/tags/LIBTPCLIENT_0_3_1 * r20c174ce7bb5 /tp/client/threads.py: Accidently removed a line with previous patch.	06:52
mithro	JLP: that help?	06:54
JLP	mithro: i tried again with the guest login on demo1 with the wrong password and now it just sits in the Universe Download window with this in the console	06:57
JLP	Drawing took 0.000000 seconds of CPU time	06:57
JLP	metaserver_browse <RemoteBrowser(RemoteBrowser, started)>	06:58
JLP	Connecting to demo1.thousandparsec.net <type 'unicode'> 6923 <type 'int'>	06:58
JLP	no error dialog about the wrong password or anything	06:58
mithro	hrm...	06:58
llnz	demo1 is dead	06:58
llnz	something threw an exception	06:58
mithro	llnz: minisec is rock stable? - something like the rocks in SanFran then?	07:00
JLP	aha i got an error dialog after some time	07:00
llnz	mithro: tpclient-pywx isn't rock stable either	07:01
mithro	llnz: i'm not silly enough to say it is :) - in fact tpclient-pywx is horribly unstable	07:01
JLP	i'll now try demo2 with wrong gues pass	07:02
llnz	humm... demo1 now zombie, not being reaped	07:02
JLP	hm the client connected to demo2 even if the pass was not guest	07:03
llnz	ahh, ffs, i know what it is	07:03
mithro	llnz: oh?	07:03
llnz	extenal gdb	07:03
llnz	demo1 restarted, up to date this time	07:04
mithro	llnz: what caused the segfault?	07:04
llnz	didn't segfault, threw exception with no information	07:05
JLP	ok i'll try on demo1 again	07:05
JLP	mithro: looks like it works now, i immidiately got the error dialog about wrong password	07:06
mithro	llnz: :/	07:07
mithro	llnz: doesn't the default glibc output some information about the exception?	07:07
mithro	oh wouldn't gdb stop when the exception is uncaught?	07:07
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * rac6df177d4e1 /requirements.py: Removed debugging information.	07:08
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r5e305010c603 /setup.py: Be more brutal in removing excess files.	07:08
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r4810de6a5ccf /locale/sl/ (tpclient-pywx.mo tpclient-pywx.po): Merge with git://git.thousandparsec.net/git/tpclient-pywx.git#stable	07:08
llnz	the exception was caught, but something went wrong	07:09
mithro	llnz: damn	07:09
llnz	i kill -9 tpserver-cpp before i noticed gdb was there	07:09
llnz	watching it	07:09
llnz	now running inside gdb	07:09
mithro	I wonder if there is a way to do something a cross platform apport for tpclient-pywx	07:10
JLP	mithro: the description of llnz-dev2 in server browser has escape character in the description: Lee\'s	07:11
mithro	JLP: i'm pretty sure that is a metaserver bug rather then a client bug	07:12
JLP	i'll report a bug for metaserver then	07:13
* llnz wrote some more software for this blog today and should be blogging more often now		07:13
JLP	mithro: another thing: should the connect button in server browser do anything after you select a server?	07:17
JLP	mithro: i kinda expected it would fill out the connection information into the login screen so that user only enters username and password then	07:17
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llnz	later all	07:19
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JLP	mithro: switching from systems view, to resources view and back to systems view doesn't clear the piechart here	07:32
mithro	hrm?	07:32
mithro	JLP: can you explain a bit more, are you getting any tracebacks? - screenshots are good	07:35
JLP	mithro: i'm seeing this:	07:36
JLP	Traceback (most recent call last):	07:36
JLP	File "./tpclient-pywx", line 130, in Post	07:36
JLP	function(event)	07:36
JLP	File "<string>", line 1, in <lambda>	07:36
JLP	File "./extra/decorators.py", line 21, in freeze_wrapper	07:36
JLP	raise Warning("FreezeWrapper on %r but no Thaw method! (%s)" % (self, e))	07:36
JLP	Warning: FreezeWrapper on <Overlay-Resource 0x2620f60> but no Thaw method! ('Resource' object has no attribute 'Thaw')	07:36
JLP	if this has anything to do with it	07:36
mithro	JLP: you can ignore that	07:36
JLP	mithro: i'll open a bug report and attach a screenshot	07:38
JLP	mithro: btw, you could also add a menu entry to Help -> Report a bug	07:39
mithro	JLP: can you get a screenshot of	07:42
mithro	[22:07] <JLP> mithro: switching from systems view, to resources view and back to systems view doesn't clear the piechart here	07:42
JLP	mithro: yup will attach it to the bug report	07:42
mithro	JLP: I guess I could also build all the information from "requirements.py" and attach it to the but report	07:43
JLP	mithro: yeah wouldn't be bad	07:44
JLP	mithro: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1923567&group_id=132078&atid=723099	07:47
tpb	Bug #1923567: Piechart remains after switching from resources to systems	07:47
mithro	what is "Ukazi" ?	07:49
mithro	and it looks like you have lost your buttons on the message panel?	07:51
JLP	Ukazi -> Orders	07:51
JLP	mithro: yeah the buttons disappeared when i moved the picture pane into the bottom row	07:51
mithro	JLP: I can not reproduce that hear	07:52
mithro	Bug #1923567	07:52
mithro	can you attach the complete output of tpclient-pywx to that bug report?	07:52
JLP	mithro: will do	07:53
JLP	mithro: hm i restarted the client and now the bug is gone, strange	07:53
JLP	mithro: aha my instructions ere not good enough, looks like the system also has to be selected in the tree	07:55
mithro	still not seeing that here :/	07:55
JLP	mithro: yeah me neither, hm let's see if it only happens after turn is complete	07:56
JLP	mithro: aha, after turn complete, updated universe, tried to switch and now the bug shows	07:57
mithro	JLP: still not able to reproduce it here :/	08:13
JLP	mithro: works every time here, did you switch both times, before turn ended and after?	08:21
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CIA-13	mithro libtpclient-py-stable * r457f81ca9afa /tp/client/threads.py: Also work with non-string input.	08:58
CIA-13	mithro libtpclient-py-refs/tags/LIBTPCLIENT_0_3_1 * r457f81ca9afa /tp/client/threads.py: Also work with non-string input.	08:58
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CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r48acc667014f /setup.py: Restore the version.py at the end of setup.py	09:09
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r98fbed708010 /requirements.py: Write the log file to a more sensible location and create a new log file for each run.	09:09
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r3c00ca369403 / (doc/mac/make-diskimage doc/mac/pkg-dmg setup.py): Updated dmg packaging tools.	09:09
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r6f34d754dc41 /requirements.py:	09:09
CIA-13	Also save to a file when not frozen.	09:09
CIA-13	- Need a way to leave the file around on an exception.	09:09
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r6bc21eae9d52 /windows/xrc/panelStarMap.xrc: Make the toolbar center vertically on MacOS X.	09:09
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r939acea4950d /windows/ (main/panelSystem.py xrc/panelSystem.xrc): Add some extra padding on the System panel.	09:09
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r161bb0e0bc56 /locale/sl/ (tpclient-pywx.mo tpclient-pywx.po): Merge with git://git.thousandparsec.net/git/tpclient-pywx.git	09:09
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r2c04b85049c3 /extra/decorators.py: Change the way the freeze wrapper works slightly.	09:09
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * rd79c9cff75e0 /extra/StateTracker.py: Fixed the asserts in StateTracker to check for identity rather then equals.	09:09
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * ree24b03762de /windows/xrc/panelStarMap.xrc: Restore the previous method as it works better on Linux and Windows.	09:09
CIA-13	mithro tpclient-pywx-stable * r9314c9d9cae6 /windows/xrc/panelSystem.xrc: Tweak the padding for Linux.	09:09
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* mithro ponders giving up and just tagging a 0.3.1		09:34
Appleman1234	?	09:37
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JLP	mithro: tag it, some bugs can remain for 0.3.2 :)	10:13
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* JLP almost forgot about the two GSoC application drafts on our wiki, takes a look		10:35
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JLafont	allo	11:49
JLafont	I have a question, should I post my proposal in the wiki?	11:52
mithro	well I'm heading to bed	12:00
mithro	gnight!	12:00
JLafont	mithro: Nite	12:02
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ezod	JLP: ping	13:53
ezod	andrei: ping?	14:03
ezod	well anyway, it's re: gentoo ebuilds... i'll email the list later	14:04
andrei	ezod, Hi	14:06
ezod	hey	14:07
ezod	i was working on ebuilds for tp stuff based on JLP's original attempt before you emailed yours to the list	14:08
ezod	looks like we can draw from both for improvements	14:08
ezod	anyway, i've got to run atm, but i'll post to the list later when i've got the rest of it figured out :)	14:10
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JLP	ezod: pong	17:35
JLafont	Welcome back JLP	17:36
JLP	JLafont, llnz: ahoy	17:36
llnz	hi JLP	17:36
JLafont	hey llnz	17:37
llnz	hi JLafont	17:37
JLP	llnz: did you check this out: http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Jphr_proposal	17:37
tpb	<http://ln-s.net/1iT-> (at www.thousandparsec.net)	17:37
JLP	llnz: probably the best if you comment on this	17:37
JLafont	Should I place my proposal in the wiki as well?	17:39
llnz	JLP: I commented by email	17:39
llnz	on the mailing list	17:39
JLP	llnz: oh cool, haven't checked the mail yet	17:40
JLP	JLafont: yes you can also put it onto the wiki, or maybe even better to mailing list	17:41
JLafont	Ok, I have most of my proposal on a google doc. So should I just link that or paste all I have?	17:42
llnz	google doc should be fine	17:42
llnz	post a link and ask for comments	17:42
JLafont	thanks!	17:43
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JLafont	woops	18:17
JLafont	somehow it seems I posted it under v1985s post	18:18
ApacheChief	llnz: Hey, I tried to do some web client work with JS yesterday and ran into some problems, so I then tried to use Silverlight 2.0 but apparently I need Visual Studio 2008 pro, which I don't have (but can get through my school, eventually) -- so I was wondering if you didn't mind if I made a WPF application that can later be converted to Silverlight for web client stuff?	18:21
ApacheChief	that might sound weird if you don't work with the bleeding edge of .NET stuff, let me know if any of my buzzwords are throwing ya off	18:21
llnz	umm... that would make it a bit hard for us to mentor, as i don't think any of us use .NET	18:22
llnz	but it's still possible	18:22
ApacheChief	ah	18:22
ApacheChief	Well, I don't think the web client using JS/PHP would fly too well	18:23
llnz	at this stage, it doesn't matter too much, if you can justify it	18:23
ApacheChief	Or at all	18:23
ApacheChief	alright	18:23
llnz	JS/python was suggeted last year, iirc	18:23
ApacheChief	do you know of any JS socket classes that I might've missed?	18:23
JLafont	People have to install Silverlight to use it right?	18:23
ApacheChief	all the ones I found had XML built into them and woudln't work with binary	18:23
ApacheChief	JLafont, yep, ~3mb download I think	18:23
ApacheChief	cross platform	18:23
ApacheChief	win/mac/linux	18:23
JLafont	ahh ok	18:24
JLafont	Awesome	18:24
ApacheChief	yeah :)	18:24
ApacheChief	real pretty too, and it has a socket class	18:24
llnz	ApacheChief: why use js sockets?	18:24
ApacheChief	llnz, what's my other option?	18:24
llnz	run a server side program to dump the game data into a db, then serve up pages and use AJAX to interact with it	18:24
llnz	or a server-side persistent program	18:25
ApacheChief	do you think that's the best way of doing it?	18:25
llnz	perhaps	18:26
llnz	you might like to ask mithro his opinion	18:26
ApacheChief	alright	18:26
ApacheChief	have you guys seen much about Silverlight?	18:26
ApacheChief	it really is pretty cool right now	18:27
llnz	now is a good time to be exploring options	18:27
ApacheChief	built in animation/graphics stuff	18:27
ApacheChief	alright :)	18:27
llnz	i've heard of it, but don't know much	18:27
ApacheChief	basically it's just flash	18:27
ApacheChief	except instead of actionscript you have C#	18:27
ApacheChief	and quite a few base namespaces for you to get a lot of work done	18:28
greywhind	i might care if it weren't a Microsoft product	18:30
* llnz agrees with greywhind		18:31
greywhind	i mean, it could be great in terms of functionality... but you know they'll just do everything they can to make it better on Windows than anywhere else.	18:32
llnz	humm...	18:33
llnz	i wonder if one of the requirements of the webclient is that it could be played in any modern, yet unmodifed, browser	18:34
greywhind	probably should be...	18:34
ApacheChief	greywhind: Well, that problem might happen with javascript too	18:34
ApacheChief	because different browsers might interpret it differently, or even display it differently	18:34
ApacheChief	css/html/etc.	18:35
ApacheChief	I think Silverlight is the best option, but I'm not very credible :)	18:35
greywhind	ApacheChief: is there a completed Linux version? according to Wikipedia, it's just "planned" and "3rd party"	18:36
ApacheChief	no, not yet, but they said that they're "Working with novell" towards it	18:37
greywhind	mmhmm...	18:37
ApacheChief	:(	18:37
ApacheChief	what's a better option, though? I'll definitely go with the best one	18:37
greywhind	ApacheChief: I don't know enough about web programming to be sure, but some kind of AJAX functionality, perhaps?	18:38
ApacheChief	Well, that requires me to do some pretty "hackish" work, at least imo	18:38
greywhind	like I said, I don't know. but given that one of the main points of the project is to be cross-platform, using mostly free software...	18:39
ApacheChief	I'd probably, as llnz said, have to write a PHP back end that somehow connects to a server for you and saves info to a database	18:39
ApacheChief	then write a php frontend for javascript to get that information	18:39
ApacheChief	greywhind, well, silverlight is still pretty young, but I honestly think it will work on Linux	18:40
llnz	php, perl, ruby or python, or any cgi language	18:40
ApacheChief	llnz, yep	18:40
greywhind	ApacheChief: "will work"... eventually, and possibly in an unsupported, buggy version because of lack of attention from Microsoft. can't be sure, but their history is a pretty good indication...	18:41
ApacheChief	llnz, but how do I handle multiple clients and such? Wouldn't the server for that be much more expensive and laggy?	18:53
ApacheChief	greywhind: that could definitely happen, but I think that's the best (only?) bet	18:53
ApacheChief	Or maybe a Java Applet	18:54
ApacheChief	does that work on Linux?	18:54
greywhind	ApacheChief: Java works on Linux. it works better if you install Sun's proprietary version...	18:54
ApacheChief	alright	18:55
ApacheChief	so a Java applet, in your opinion, would the better option?	18:55
greywhind	ApacheChief: out of that or Silverlight? yes. but I'm not really the person who should make the decision	18:56
ApacheChief	alright	18:56
ApacheChief	I appreciate your input, regardless :)	18:56
llnz	ApacheChief: true, looking at the options is good	18:56
ApacheChief	aye, I've started and failed one too many times to not do that at the very beginning	18:57
llnz	java applet could work	18:57
ApacheChief	pro's and con's of a java applet vs silverlight	18:57
llnz	a little more difficult to get around the secure sandbox	18:57
ApacheChief	Java applet pro's: better compatability(sp)	18:57
JLafont	cross platform	18:57
ApacheChief	llnz, all I need is sockets though, right?	18:57
llnz	but would be just as hard with silverlight (one would hope)	18:57
ApacheChief	performance, also	18:57
llnz	yeah	18:58
greywhind	"compatibility," by the way	18:58
ApacheChief	ty	18:58
ApacheChief	err, performance in java applet vs silverlight, I think silverlight will perform much better and also have better graphical options	18:58
ApacheChief	(which might not be a big selling point)	18:58
ApacheChief	however, I've never made a Java applet, let alone a java application	18:58
ApacheChief	but I have done a ton of C# work, so I might still be able to do it	18:59
ApacheChief	btw, some Silverlight demos: http://silverlight.net/Showcase/	19:00
tpb	Title: Silverlight: Showcase (at silverlight.net)	19:00
JLafont	Rough Explanation: Java = C++ without the memory management and slacked OO. Also: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/ <-- Java API	19:02
tpb	Title: Java 2 Platform SE 5.0 (at java.sun.com)	19:02
greywhind	well, C# is fairly similar to Java, is it not?	19:02
JLafont	yeah	19:03
ApacheChief	Oh, I know a little about what Java is and isn't	19:03
ApacheChief	C# == Java 2.0, kinda	19:03
ApacheChief	I don't know if Java has generics, anonymous delegates, and all that other fancy stuff I'm used to, though :D	19:03
JLafont	generics are just the new fancy words for c++ templates	19:03
JLafont	and java has them	19:03
JLafont	not sure on delegates though	19:03
JLafont	Java calls them generics too	19:03
greywhind	no function pointers... not sure that's a negative, though.	19:04
ApacheChief	alright	19:04
ApacheChief	Well, I'm going to get started on revising a couple essays for a bit and take a break from all this critical thinking :)	19:05
ApacheChief	I'll discuss this with you guys more and maybe come back with a WPF example -- hopefully :)	19:05
ApacheChief	(Windows Presentation Foundary(sp) -- it's Silverlight for the desktop, outside the browser)	19:05
JLafont	Silverlight installer won't even run on wine :(	19:06
greywhind	according to Wikipedia, "Windows Presentation Foundation"	19:06
ApacheChief	my bad :)	19:07
greywhind	and I'm not sure how many people here will even be able to view a WPF demo	19:07
ApacheChief	yikes, that won't be a very good demo at all =\	19:08
greywhind	i don't know. maybe everyone else has Windows here...	19:08
JLafont	I have a dual boot with windows	19:09
greywhind	mithro does too, right?	19:09
* llnz has linux, linux and linux 64bit		19:09
* greywhind has just Mac and Linux		19:09
* JLP only has 64-bit linux boxes		19:09
ApacheChief	:X	19:10
ApacheChief	I hope they come out with a linux version very soon, lol	19:11
JLP	ApacheChief: i think that there is not much hope to have something usable to use by the end of GSoC	19:12
JLP	ApacheChief: i don't even like the license of Silverlight, much less freedom and opennes thn with Java and other stuff	19:12
ApacheChief	yep, me either	19:12
ApacheChief	what's the silverlight license?	19:12
greywhind	JLP: ^	19:13
JLP	Apaeven the way rhey are planing doing Linux support is fishy (giving privilege only to one Linux company and even here they have fishy patent agreements)	19:13
ApacheChief	yeah, that's kinda sticky	19:13
ApacheChief	but I think that only applies to commercial software	19:13
JLP	ApacheChief: i think it is a prettymuch standard EULA with some PL relaxations	19:14
greywhind	"IMITATION ON AND EXCLUSION OF REMEDIES AND DAMAGES. You can recover from Microsoft and its suppliers only direct damages up to U.S. $5.00".	19:14
llnz	bbl	19:14
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mithro	greywhind: pong	20:26
ApacheChief	hey Mithro, you see all that discussion about picking a web client platform to use?	20:28
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bddebian	Heya	20:31
mithro	ApacheChief: yeah	20:32
ApacheChief	mithro, what do you think?	20:32
mithro	ApacheChief: I'm afraid to say that a Silverlight client would be very low on our list for a number of reasons	20:32
ApacheChief	ah =\	20:32
mithro	1. Requires something to be installed (why not just install the real client?)	20:33
mithro	2. Not cross platform at the moment	20:33
mithro	3. Not open source	20:33
mithro	To be honest a flash program would hit number 3 hard too	20:34
ApacheChief	a flash program would hit all those, wouldn't it?	20:34
ApacheChief	1. It requires something to be installed like a java applet, flash, or regular client (right?)	20:34
ApacheChief	2. Mac/windows are already supported (I think), and linux SHOULD be supported at some point (but that seems to be what most of you guys use--but is this web client what you guys will use anyway?)	20:35
ApacheChief	3. Actually, I think the .NET source is available... not sure though, it can be decompiled at least	20:35
mithro	ApacheChief: well most people already have flash installed, but you are right - flash would not be a very good option	20:36
mithro	ApacheChief: Windows, Linux and Mac must be supported by the end of your project - do you want to depend on microsoft to pass GSoC?	20:37
ApacheChief	ah	20:37
ApacheChief	nope	20:37
ApacheChief	alright, what other options do I have?	20:38
mithro	Ajax and PHP/Python/Ruby is the only real way to go I'm afraid	20:38
ApacheChief	Yikes	20:38
mithro	there are plenty of toolkits like Dojo which make it much easier	20:38
ApacheChief	Alright, how would you go about designing the PHP side?	20:38
ApacheChief	would the server basically just be a proxy? (expensive)	20:38
ApacheChief	I did experiment(sp) with some Javascript socket stuff, but it appears to only support XML serialized stuff -- know any options?	20:39
mithro	ApacheChief: trying to creating the client in javascript without a proxy is a silly approach	20:39
ApacheChief	kk	20:39
ApacheChief	why's that?	20:39
mithro	ApacheChief: Javascript just is not design for that type of functionality	20:40
ApacheChief	Mithro, why not? I think it is/can be =-\	20:40
ApacheChief	=\*	20:40
ApacheChief	I've seen a few Javascript socket things and they appeared to work fine	20:40
mithro	plus the speed of Javascript engines would make it painfully slow	20:40
ApacheChief	yeah.	20:40
ApacheChief	but how does PHP help that at all?	20:40
ApacheChief	how would a proxy help, I mean	20:41
mithro	lastly, the javascript would not be able to cache any of the details it need so it would hammer the server and hence get banned	20:41
ApacheChief	how can it not cache stuff?	20:41
ApacheChief	I mean, how would PHP do a better job?	20:42
mithro	ApacheChief: javascript can not save anything on the client side without something like Google Gears installed	20:50
ApacheChief	can't I just store info in client-side variables?	20:50
ApacheChief	or, in a worst-case scenario, store it in mysql with PHP or some such?	20:51
mithro	ApacheChief: what happens when they go away from the page and come back? all the client-side variables are gone	20:51
greywhind	mithro: pong, but I'm writing an essay... i may be able to do some things while writing.	20:51
ApacheChief	I guess I'd have to cache info into PHP	20:51
mithro	ApacheChief: I think the best goal is to start with a plain PHP+HTML client and then add cool ajaxy stuff secondly	20:52
mithro	Ohm: ping?	20:52
mithro	andrei: ping?	20:52
ApacheChief	mithro, alright, I'll see what I can come up with	20:52
andrei	mithro, Hi	20:52
mithro	andrei: where you intersted in the schemepy task?	20:52
andrei	mithro, It involves wiriting python code :)	20:54
mithro	andrei: oh, I must have you confused with someone else then :)	20:54
mithro	andrei: you where the scheme AI guy right?	20:54
andrei	mithro, Yup, though not necessarely scheme	20:54
mithro	andrei: well, you would prefer scheme :)	20:55
andrei	mithro, Heh, yup; that or C++ :)	20:57
mithro	with all these new people, I just need something to differentiate each of you ;)	20:57
mithro	andrei: and I don't think the "Python Hater" would be a good one :P	20:57
andrei	mithro, Heh, I'm fine with hacking on it, I just don't want to be responsible for large systems in it	20:58
andrei	mithro, Creating a master registry of new SoC-related people?	20:59
mithro	I was just going to point out that the schemepy task could also be mentored by the PSF	20:59
mithro	JLafont: ping?	20:59
andrei	mithro, Ah; I see	21:00
JLafont	mithro: pong	21:00
mithro	JLafont: how do you want feedback on your proposal?	21:00
JLafont	mithro: Anyway you like	21:00
andrei	mithro, I'm fine with helping out with it in the sense that in my free time I can explain (or sometimes help) implement features in it	21:00
andrei	mithro, There are lots of standard ways of implementing this type of stuff in the scheme community	21:01
JLafont	mithro, I have a question, for proof of concept, would you rather it be using ver 0.2 or 0.3?	21:01
mithro	andrei: they had an "impliment scheme in PyPy" task last year	21:01
mithro	JLafont: if you are writing something from scratch, use libtpclient-py 0.3.x	21:01
mithro	libtpclient-py 0.2.x is EOFed	21:01
andrei	mithro, Nice	21:01
JLafont	mithro, alright, I was thinking of having them fight it out. But .3 would probably be better	21:04
andrei	mithro, Do you prefer if we publish our plans or just submit them through SoC?	21:05
mithro	JLafont: well the AI can use an "inplace" library	21:05
mithro	andrei: publish on the wiki or google docs or something so we can comment first	21:05
mithro	remeber the application has no formatting though	21:05
mithro	andrei: the schemepy task is all about binding scheme implimentations into python and building a verification test suite	21:06
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andrei	mithro, As you may imagine that is not the most interesting task in the world :) Especially as day to day I maintain and extend a scheme compiler	21:08
mithro	andrei: I dunno, I found the guile stuff quite interesting - and getting the guile and python gc to play together was interesting	21:09
andrei	mithro, Yeah; that type of stuff can be fun. But bindings are usually rather boring to write	21:10
* mithro enjoys connecting systems together		21:11
andrei	mithro, And it wouldn't be any different from what I do every day. :)	21:11
andrei	mithro, Heh, yeah. That is a lot of fun. I'm excited by the new KDE 4 libraries for that reason	21:12
ApacheChief	mithro, what about a Firefox plugin?	21:15
mithro	ApacheChief: no IE or Opera or.....	21:15
ApacheChief	mithro, yeah.	21:15
ApacheChief	no solution is perfect, but it seems the only 2 elegant options so far (imo) are Silverlight and a Firefox plugin	21:16
ApacheChief	still _very_ open to ideas	21:16
mithro	ApacheChief: we are asking you to write a web client, there are no elegant solutions	21:17
andrei	Silverlight? Isn't that MS only?	21:18
ApacheChief	alright	21:18
ApacheChief	Nope	21:18
ApacheChief	Cross platform, linux not supported yet (but is supposed to be)	21:18
andrei	Oh? I remember looking for a linux version	21:18
ApacheChief	Mac/Windows currently supported	21:18
mithro	ApacheChief: as fair as we are concerned Silverlight is NOT an option	21:18
ApacheChief	idk about any ETAs for linux adoption =\	21:18
andrei	mithro, Yey!	21:18
andrei	I was worried for a moment..	21:18
ApacheChief	Gotcha, Mithro	21:18
mithro	it would be low on our solutions list even if Mono had completely implimented it	21:19
andrei	Another option is to implement the client in flash	21:19
andrei	mithro, Out of curiosity. Have you ever looked into swig?	21:20
ApacheChief	yep, but I'd have to buy a flash development environment, right?	21:20
andrei	ApacheChief, Not at all; plenty of open source compilers out there	21:20
ApacheChief	Ah, good news, got any links/search queries? :)	21:21
andrei	ApacheChief, http://osflash.org/open_source_flash_projects	21:21
tpb	Title: Open Source Flash Projects Open Source Flash (at osflash.org)	21:21
ApacheChief	ty	21:23
mithro	well, I think I'm going to tag 0.3.1	21:23
andrei	ApacheChief, No problemo. The open player situation is dire but it's getting better	21:23
ApacheChief	gotcha, checking it otu	21:24
mithro	flash would also be low on our priorities	21:24
mithro	llnz hates flash with a passion and I'm not to fond of it	21:25
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ApacheChief	alright mithro	21:27
andrei	mithro, Out of curiosity. Have you ever looked into swig?	21:27
mithro	andrei: as in the binding making tool	21:27
andrei	mithro, Aye	21:27
mithro	yeah, I've even used it a couple of times for smaller projects	21:27
mithro	I just wish they would put more effort into producing readable output code	21:28
andrei	It seems there's a desire for bindings to a lot of languages; it might be beneficial	21:28
mithro	andrei: no, there is a desire to bind lots of implimentations of a single language :)	21:28
andrei	mithro, I'm somewhat glad they don't. I'm always afraid people will generate the code and then maintain it by hand	21:28
ApacheChief	Mithro, I hate to keep being a bother, but do you think you could explain the PHP / html way of doing it a bit more?	21:29
mithro	andrei: it makes it horribly hard to debug	21:29
mithro	ApacheChief: being an indepentdent developer is part of being a good GSoC student	21:29
SmokingRope	i just tried installing thousand parsec and got the error message, MSVCP71.dll is missing	21:30
ApacheChief	mithro, alright, sorry to bug you, I'll do more research on my own	21:30
mithro	SmokingRope: hi!	21:30
SmokingRope	hello!	21:31
mithro	ApacheChief: it's good you are asking questions, but you do need to be able to figure things out yourself sometimes	21:31
mithro	SmokingRope: it means you don't have the MSVC++ runtime installed	21:31
ApacheChief	mithro, trying my hardest :)	21:31
SmokingRope	yea i actually have solved the problem and it seems to work now	21:31
mithro	SmokingRope: cool	21:32
SmokingRope	however shouldn't that be included with the distribution?	21:32
mithro	SmokingRope: just about to release 0.3.1	21:32
mithro	SmokingRope: possibly, what version of windows are you running?	21:32
SmokingRope	i'm running windows XP sp2 with all the hotfixes	21:33
mithro	SmokingRope: hrm, you should have that installed then	21:33
SmokingRope	i have VS 2008 installed, maybe those got overwritten / replaced	21:33
SmokingRope	by those i mean MSVCP71 and msvcr71	21:34
andrei	mithro, redistributing MSVC++ runtimes is a legal gray area	21:34
SmokingRope	i needed to replace them both to run the wxPython client	21:34
SmokingRope	i found a number of the projects on the Summer Of Code project page interesting however haven't ever played the game	21:39
SmokingRope	would that be an issue in applying?	21:40
mithro	SmokingRope: it may be for some of the applications - but not generally	21:41
mithro	of course you can start playing now :)	21:41
SmokingRope	lol	21:42
mithro	SmokingRope: want to test the 0.3.1 version for windows?	21:50
SmokingRope	i'd be glad to	21:51
SmokingRope	i've crashed the client i downloaded a couple times already :)	21:52
mithro	SmokingRope: it improves the windows experiance quite a bit	21:52
mithro	crashed?	21:52
SmokingRope	yep, it may be some inconsistencies with the dll versions maybe?	21:52
SmokingRope	it crashed when i tried to give my scout a colonise order ('network error: order not added')	21:53
mithro	SmokingRope: ahh okay	21:53
mithro	just uploading noe	21:54
mithro	be 1 minute	21:54
SmokingRope	on the sf.net page?	21:54
mithro	no	21:54
mithro	http://www.thousandparsec.net/~tim/tpclient-pywx-0.3.1-setup.exe	21:55
tpb	<http://ln-s.net/1iJa> (at www.thousandparsec.net)	21:55
SmokingRope	got it	21:55
mithro	SmokingRope: give that a go	21:56
SmokingRope	same missing dll issue	21:56
mithro	hrm....	21:58
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mithro	SmokingRope: which one is missing?	21:59
SmokingRope	msvcp71.dll is missing, and when i use the version i have it crashes unless i replace msvcr.dll also	21:59
SmokingRope	sorry, msvcr71.dll	21:59
mithro	oh wait I see	21:59
mithro	hold on	21:59
mithro	rebuilding now	22:00
SmokingRope	the client just forgot to enable the 'ok' button on a universe update	22:01
mithro	SmokingRope: it did? can you screenshot that?	22:01
SmokingRope	is there a log i should be saving? I would be happy to take screenshots	22:02
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mithro	SmokingRope: there should be a log in C:\Documents and Settings\<your username>\Application Data\Thousand Parsec	22:03
SmokingRope	it just did it again	22:04
SmokingRope	i've got a screenshot	22:04
mithro	SmokingRope: WTF? Got a reproducable way of getting it to happen?	22:05
SmokingRope	wait til the end of a turn, so it seems	22:05
SmokingRope	i was trying to give an order though	22:05
SmokingRope	the last log entry says: IOError: Unable to remove the order...	22:06
mithro	hrm....	22:06
mithro	which server where you connected to?	22:06
mithro	looks like demo1 might have died	22:07
SmokingRope	demo2	22:07
mithro	arg...	22:07
SmokingRope	it works fine when i log in	22:08
SmokingRope	it could be the dll issue still	22:08
SmokingRope	if you managed to copy the correct version to the installer i could always try that	22:08
CIA-13	mithro libtpclient-py-stable * r94ce7bcffa5e /tp/client/threads.py: Call the function.	22:09
CIA-13	mithro libtpclient-py-refs/tags/LIBTPCLIENT_0_3_1 * r94ce7bcffa5e /tp/client/threads.py: Call the function.	22:09
SmokingRope	though Visual Studio has some setting can't remember off hand to eliminate that depependency	22:09
mithro	ARG!?	22:10
SmokingRope	i just idled for a turn and the universe download went ok	22:11
CIA-13	mithro libtpclient-py-stable * re946c62fe545 /tp/client/threads.py: Accidently removed a line with previous patch.	22:12
CIA-13	mithro libtpclient-py-refs/tags/LIBTPCLIENT_0_3_1 * re946c62fe545 /tp/client/threads.py: Accidently removed a line with previous patch.	22:12
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mithro	can anyone create an account on demo2?	22:15
cherez	I'll see if I can get an account after I've got this computer set up.	22:18
SmokingRope	i don't seem to be able to	22:20
mithro	SmokingRope: new version uploaded	22:20
mithro	same URL	22:20
SmokingRope	Account Creation Error: bad username or password	22:20
mithro	SmokingRope: that is what I'm getting	22:21
SmokingRope	i managed to make an account with the 0.3.0 client before i installed the newer version	22:24
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mithro	SmokingRope: can you reinstall 0.3.0 and see if you can still create an account?	22:26
SmokingRope	k	22:26
SmokingRope	nope it's busted too	22:31
SmokingRope	and i can't seem to get a list of servers either	22:32
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cherez	mithro: What features is the Python server missing?	22:57
mithro	cherez: the most important one at the moment is end of turn processing on EOT messages	23:50
vi1985	JLP: Thanks again for the constructive input! I have made all necessary changes, and now consider that version to be final	23:57
vi1985	JLP: PS- there's a neat code example I attached, to show what a simple GA can do ;)	23:57
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