Wednesday, 2007-12-19

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JLPremaxim:  ahoy05:32
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remaximhi JLP05:32
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JLPmithro: do you know Apricot project?06:27
remaximping mithro ;)06:36
remaximJLP, I do ... ;) seems like they still need quite a lot preorders06:37
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JLPyeah, i was asking mithro since he is organizing a Gaming Miniconf at LCA2008 and one of the core members is from Australia06:39
remaximthat's cool!06:40
JLPllnz: ahoy06:41
llnzhi JLP06:41
llnzi have dugg that news item06:41
remaximhi llnz06:41
llnzhi remaxim06:41
remaximllnz, are you a TP coder?06:41
JLPit is nice to read how mithro started06:42
llnzyes, i write tpserver-cpp (mainly)06:42
remaximllnz, do you know if there is any sound support in TP yet?06:42
llnzJLP: yeah, it also mentions me (but it's incorrect)06:42
llnzremaxim: there is none that I'm aware off06:43
llnzbut it shouldn't be too hard to add06:43
llnzit would be a per-client thing06:43
remaximllnz, ok... I probably have to ask mithro then06:44
llnzyeah06:44
remaximJLP, or do you want to add music in your client as well?06:45
llnzother client coders include, JLP and nash_06:45
JLPremaxim: off course, but first i need to work on other, more basic stuff, so that there will be anything to play music with :)06:46
remaximok...06:46
mithrolhey people06:48
JLPanother thing that I found out besides Apricot that could also be interesting for GamingMiniconf is FreeGameDev - http://forum.freegamedev.net/06:48
remaximhi mithro06:49
llnzhi mithro06:49
mithrollnz: what did I get wrong?06:49
remaximmithro, I wanted to ask if there is any soundsupport in your client yet06:49
mithroremaxim: nope06:49
remaximmithro, do you want to add some ;)06:49
mithroremaxim: I will in the near future06:50
remaximthanks06:50
llnz> Lee Begg, one of the co-founders, was able to develop a C++ protocol06:50
llnzlibrary as part of his studies;06:50
remaximmithro, what's the name of your client once again?06:50
mithrotpclient-pywx06:51
JLPyeah maybe it would be good to come up with a different name for pywx client06:51
remaximJLP, +106:52
mithroJLP: why? it is a Python wxWidget client for thousand parsec :)06:52
remaximmithro, ... :D ... that's just the same as the Nokia people say06:52
mithroremaxim: ?06:53
remaximmithro, their cell phones have those weird names06:53
remaximit's very technical and it discourages consumers06:54
mithroremaxim: oh, okay - tpclient-pywx is pretty self explanatory, on debian it would be linked to tpclient06:54
remaximmithro, of course it is! maybe you just need a more appealing name06:55
mithroremaxim: can we talk about the Thousand Parsec Album?06:55
JLPyup, something that looks more sexy on news pages :)06:55
remaximmithro, of course we can06:55
remaximJLP, +1 ;)06:56
remaximmithro, zzorn told me that I can use the logo as CC-BY-NC-SA :)06:56
mithroremaxim: it would be cool for you to release it, but could you name is something else?06:58
remaximI hope it's going to highlight Thousand Parsec06:58
remaximoh...06:58
remaximmithro, may I ask why?06:58
mithroremaxim: something like "xxx for Thousand Parsec" ?06:59
remaximah... ok!06:59
JLPsoundtrack for tp06:59
mithroyeah that would be cool06:59
remaximok, of course I can do that07:00
remaximI mean "Thousand Parsec Soundtrack" implies that you don't need any music anymore and that this soundtrack is final07:01
remaximmithro, or was there any problem with the name?07:02
mithroremaxim: yeah07:02
remaximmithro, you could lose your trademark?07:03
mithroThousand Parsec Soundtrack is pretty final where as "Soundtrack for Thousand Parsec" is quite different07:03
remaximfuck... that should be "any other problem"07:03
remaximI just told the same ;)  ... It's quite reasonable07:04
JLPyup makes sense07:04
remaximmithro, as you're the one with the most advanced client, I hope you're going to tell me how long the music should be07:04
remaximI mean it's looped... so you just have to say how long and I ll make it that long!07:05
remaximI think that 5 should be shorter than 8 ... and 8 should be shorter than 9 ... just because it doesn't get boring that fast07:06
mithroremaxim: well, you should be able to listen to it for 5 hours straight without going mad :)07:07
remaximthat's your job! ... I mean you decide how they will be played07:08
mithroremaxim: but if you have a 1 minute loop, there isn't a huge amount I can do :)07:08
remaximit's just the question how fast they should rotate07:08
remaximmithro, there only some sec loop07:08
remaximthose basic loops are very short07:09
mithroremaxim: well, assume I just play all your music consecatively?07:09
mithroremaxim: so do you have a list of your latest stuff?07:09
remaximmithro, the ones I am going to release are in this folder: http://www.box.net/shared/lbqx6709eq07:10
tpbTitle: Box.net - Free Online File Storage, Internet File Sharing, Online Storage, Access Documents & Files Anywhere, Backup Data, Send Files (at www.box.net)07:10
mithroremaxim: only 3?07:11
remaximhm?07:11
remaximof course..,07:11
mithroremaxim: bit small for a soundtrack?07:11
remaximI told you that everybody wants 100 but everybody only gets 3...07:12
remaximmithro, not necessarily07:12
* mithro is pretty tired07:12
mithrollnz: so what did you do as part of your course work?07:13
remaximmithro, because of me?07:13
llnzrefactored tpserver-cpp07:13
mithroremaxim: no, just worked for ~12 hours today07:13
remaximoh ok! seems reasonable07:14
remaximmithro, I ll leave you my email add, so you can contact me when you have more work for me!07:15
mithroremaxim: not going to do the music for the battle viewer?07:16
remaximmithro, I don't see any reason for that!07:16
mithrojotham will restart working on the battleviewer very soon07:16
mithrohe just finished a big work project07:16
remaximI didn't hear anything from this guy and I couldn't find out how far he is07:17
remaximmithro, that's what my email add is for07:17
mithrobut if he has music, then it would inspire him to work harder :P07:17
remaximI want to work fast ... and it was just impossible without getting feedback by someone who knows the battle viewer07:17
remaximmithro, I know... if I would see the battle viewer in action I would have some inspiration for the music ;)07:18
mithroremaxim: I can give you feedback on the battle music :)07:19
remaximIt was very hard to do the battle song I already posted ...07:19
remaximhttp://www.box.net/shared/bp8j3xpcr907:19
tpbTitle: Box.net - Free Online File Storage, Internet File Sharing, Online Storage, Access Documents & Files Anywhere, Backup Data, Send Files (at www.box.net)07:19
JLPremaxim: imagine big starships around a planet all firing large laser beams and then some small fighters ciceling around those big starhips and hunting each other07:19
remaxim...07:20
remaximJLP, I only can hear some sounds... but no music right now07:20
mithrollnz: can you restart demo2?07:21
llnzmithro: sure07:21
remaximmithro, do you know all 3 pieces I did?07:21
mithroremaxim: need more up-beat and more intense07:22
remaximI know... guess what I had problems with ;)07:22
mithros/need/needs07:22
mithroImagine a bunch of large ships blowing the crap out of each other07:22
remaximso ... do you know all 3 songs?07:22
mithroremaxim: these three - http://www.box.net/shared/lbqx6709eq07:23
tpbTitle: Box.net - Free Online File Storage, Internet File Sharing, Online Storage, Access Documents & Files Anywhere, Backup Data, Send Files (at www.box.net)07:23
remaximyes07:23
remaximthose three07:23
mithroI'll listen to them again in  moment07:23
remaximmithro, do you think they need some endings?07:23
remaximexcept 5-2 ... that one already has a ending!  ( but if you don't like the ending just tell me ;) )07:24
jothamhi07:26
llnzhi jotham07:26
remaximhi jotham07:26
remaximfinally I have the opportunity to talk to you :)07:27
remaximjotham, you're the guy working on the battle viewer?07:27
jothamthat was the theory07:27
mithroremaxim: I don't seem to getting much sound on G\ 5-207:27
remaximmithro, what do you mean with that?07:28
remaximjotham, what's the practice?07:28
mithroremaxim: I actually can't hear anything for the first minute07:28
remaximwow ...07:28
remaximworks well at my place07:29
remaximmithro, did you download it?07:29
jothamthe practice is i threw myself into 6 months of corporate rape07:29
jothamand just finished yesterday07:29
jothambut am keen to get back onto it07:29
jothami have till jan 14th off07:29
mithroremaxim: it seems very quiet07:29
remaximit actually is quite07:29
jothamwhat's up07:30
mithroafter 52 seconds it seems okay07:30
mithroi'm playing this on my laptop however07:31
remaximmithro, strange... does it seem to be made by me?07:31
mithroso it could just be that07:31
remaximit's getting louder for the first minute... I actually like it that way07:31
remaximjotham, I thought about doing a battle song07:31
remaximfor the battleviewer ....07:31
jothamok07:32
jothamon that note, i've been listening to the descent 2 soundtrack lately07:32
jothamit's pretty amusing07:32
remaximI just wondered if it's going to be done in the near future07:33
jothamit should be functional soon07:33
remaximok!07:34
remaximcould anyone of you just write me an email when it's that far?07:34
mithrojotham is a machine when he gets going :)07:35
remaxim:D07:36
JLPoh yeah mithro, i almost forgot, someone found TP on wikipedia and came yesterday here asking this:07:36
JLP<Sleyrod> Some of friends and I wanna make a MMORTS07:36
JLP<Sleyrod> Do you thinks it is possible with taking TP as the base of that project?07:36
mithroJLP: yeah, just read it07:37
mithrocan't really make a RTS game07:37
remaximmithro, I seriously want to finish what I was working on and then start from scratch07:37
mithroremaxim: can you try some up-beat stuff?07:38
remaximmithro, not yet! sorry07:39
remaximmithro, please help me finish my work!07:39
remaximwhen you have new work for me you still can email me... but I don't want to work for things I never have seen... not yet07:40
mithroremaxim: just listening to your other bits07:40
remaximthanks07:40
mithroremaxim: I think I'm going to have to relisten to these on a decent sound system07:41
remaximyeah... that would be cool ;)07:42
JLPi must say i like those in game music ones 5, 8 and 9, i think they should just be longer (close to 5 minutes) and maybe there could be some slight variation of some sort in the middle07:43
JLPremaxim: oh yeah, did you manage to recover the intro movie you over wrote?07:45
remaximJLP, 9 already has a middle part07:45
remaximJLP, no...07:45
remaximI dunno any way to recover it07:45
JLPwell from the ones i have here intro4 is the one i like the most07:46
remaximintro4?07:46
remaximthe one I send you yesterday?07:46
mithroremaxim: where are you up too with the intro? last one I heard was graphics-intro-high6.mpg07:47
remaximmithro, that's still the best one07:47
remaximmithro, and I lost the original file for that07:47
mithroremaxim: damn :(07:47
remaximyeah... I just saved another version on it :(07:47
JLPremaxim: i think you sent me intro6 yesterday07:48
remaximyep I did07:48
JLPin intro6 i don't like that collision sound too much07:48
mithroJLP: the hissing bit?07:49
mithroor the explosion?07:49
JLPhis07:49
remaximJLP, do you like the firesound?07:49
remaximbecause that is intro4...07:49
remaximI think that one is one of the strangest07:49
JLPyeah like something is burning or bubbling, i would just use stronger sound, a bit more bass07:50
mithroI don't like the crackling sound in intro407:51
mithrowell I need to go to bed07:52
remaximme neither07:52
remaximgood night mithro07:52
mithrogot a long day tommorrow too07:52
JLPmithro: night07:52
JLPin intro6 it sounds to me like someone is pumping gas thru a pipe07:53
llnzdemo2 restarted07:55
JLPremaxim: did i give you the link to ascendancy music yet?07:57
remaximJLP, that's actually the sound of it07:57
remaximJLP, I think you did07:57
JLPoh ok then i thought i forgot07:58
JLPdid you listen to it?07:58
remaxima little bit...08:00
remaximI can't remember much... I think I wasn't too impressed08:00
remaximmaybe I didn't08:01
remaximI think I had problems downloading it last time08:02
JLPdo i repost the link? probably our ISP had problems08:03
JLPthe connaction was still crap yesterday and is still unstable today08:03
remaximJLP, no... I downloaded it once again08:03
remaximI realised that I already have it08:04
remaximthe soundtrack sounds crazy08:06
JLPyeah, not exactly what someone would expect for such a game, but i don't know, i really liked it while playing it08:07
remaximyeah, it sounds cool08:08
JLPtheme 03 has some nice battle theme in it08:11
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JLPmaybe that could be used for inspiration08:12
JLPand i somehow like those windpipes (or what they are called)08:13
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llnzlater all08:16
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remaximJLP, most of the songs of the Ascendancy soundtrack are about 2 minutes08:20
JLPyeah that was the biggest problem with it, too short and it repeated too much then08:24
remaximbrb08:24
remaximback08:47
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JLPSleyrod: ahoy09:00
SleyrodJLP: ahoy!!09:00
JLPi asked mithro and he said that currently it is not really possible to make RTS games with TP09:01
JLPit was designed only for TBS09:01
SleyrodI think so too...09:01
Sleyrodbut what is interresting me in TP is the contact with the server...09:02
SleyrodI run TP yesterday (i didn't understand how to play, but that is another question..),09:03
Sleyrodand i think TP can make the part MMO of my projet.09:04
JLPyeah that could work, something similar like a fork of TP but for real time09:09
Sleyrodyeap09:16
SleyrodDo you know the RTS engine named SPRING?09:17
JLPi think i have stumbled upon it, quite a long time ago09:19
Sleyrodit is a free rts engine in c++ made by some fan of "the very one RTS game: Total annihilation"09:22
JLPah yeah thats the one, now i'm sure i did visit their website at some time09:23
SleyrodI think i will made a pdf to explain what i wanna do, cause i try to explain you that i can use the Spring engine without large modification, every map need to be spherical map...09:25
Sleyrodi think you will think i am a crazy man..09:25
Sleyrod(* if i try to explain)09:26
Sleyrod(* i can't09:27
Sleyrodlol09:27
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remaximok... I have to get some sleep right now!17:24
remaximbye17:24
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mithromorning people18:41
mithropicked up my new computer this morning18:41
nashCool18:47
nashWhat is it?18:47
mithroQuad Core2 Q6600 2.4GHz, 4gb of RAM, ATI 2600XT18:49
nashSo is it powerful enough to run tpclient-py?18:51
mithronash: it should be powerful enough to run 5 tpsai-py with a 10,000 planet universes and turns under a minute18:51
mithrotpsai-py is a bit inefficent :P18:52
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DystopicFroahoyhoy all23:13
nashheyo fro23:14
DystopicFrohow's things around these parts, nash?23:16
nashOkay....23:17
nashSo ore work coming from you soon?23:17
* DystopicFro laughs23:17
DystopicFroyes, actually, I plan on pulling everything together23:17
DystopicFroI never did get settled in when the semester started, and it's been a rollercoaster, right now finances are grim for me and my girl, but things are looking up23:18
DystopicFroand I've been consistently bothered by having the RDE unfinished23:18
nashHeh - you got everything at the end of SoC okay?23:18
DystopicFroyeah, everything came through great23:19
DystopicFrodid Google even relent and send mentors t-shirts?23:19
DystopicFros/even/ever/23:19
nashYeah, at the end of of course ;-)23:20
DystopicFro>.<23:20
nashI have to say mentors really get shafted on it however...23:20
DystopicFrowell, I guess Google figures that offering manpower is enough...that only starry eyed college students can be swayed by swag23:21
nashproject gets cash; students get cash, shirts, books and certificates; lowly mentors get t-shirt... after everything else is don23:21
nashDystopicFro: I think avoiding cash is fine - just things like certs & books...hmm23:22
DystopicFroabsolutely...it's the swag that shows they care...and surely G has the resources to show some love to the mentors23:22
DystopicFroeven a coffee mug or the like >.<23:23
DystopicFromaybe next year, eh? Is mithro going to apply for TP again? or are things moving nicely with the new interest that GSoC brought?23:23
nashI assume he'll apply, I'll kick him if he doesn't23:25
nashThere is no reason not too - even big projects like gnome get a boost out of SoC23:25
nashWe hope we can get more continually active people23:25
* DystopicFro nods with shame23:25
DystopicFroI hate the fact that I never finished up the RDE, but these days I feel like a chicken with its head cut off23:26
DystopicFroI'm trying to make the leap into the job market, actually, to try to get on a stable financial footing, putting education on the back-burner for a bit23:26
nashThe trick is really just to do it23:28
nashAN hour here, or an hour there.23:28
nashEven potering around and fixing comments.23:28
nashOnce you start to do that, you'll get back into it, and then suddenly boom - you have a few hours, and you find you've implemented some massive feature X23:29
DystopicFroyeah...where I'm at though...I was basically tearing out the guts of the TPCL editor, hunting down some obscure bug, and it frustrated the hell out of me23:29
DystopicFroso I ended up deciding to do a re-write of most of the code23:30
DystopicFrowhich created more problems23:30
DystopicFroand so I spiraled down into incoherent despair23:30
mithrohey DystopicFro23:33
DystopicFroahoyhoy mithro23:34
mithrowould love to chat but have to release this code tonight before I go home :(23:34
nashDystopicFro: save it to a branch, go back to where you were...23:34
nashdo some stuff from there23:34
DystopicFroah, no worries...I'll try to be around in the coming day23:34
DystopicFros/day/days/23:35
DystopicFronash: aye, that's a good place to start I think23:35
DystopicFroIt will be rewarding if I can get back into it23:35
nashindeed, it always is23:35
DystopicFroIn fact, I'll try to work on it a bit tomorrow23:36
DystopicFroblech - after the plasma center - not a fun place, but it's almost like free money o.O23:36
DystopicFrobut I'm on a negative binge at the moment23:37
DystopicFroanyway, since I'm trying to look for work, I'm in need of references, and I was wondering if I could put you down as one, nash. I feel like a tool asking that with the RDE still unfinished, but it would help immensely23:38
nashDystopicFro: Feel free23:38
nashDo you need anything from me23:38
nash?23:38
DystopicFroI would just need your basic contact information, email and phone, though I doubt anyone will want to rack up the charges for a call23:39
DystopicFroand many thanks, nash23:39
nashsome will23:39
nashDystopicFro: get that?23:41
nashCan you give me an email if I can expect to be contacted23:41
nash?23:41
nashOr something23:41
DystopicFrosure thing23:41
DystopicFronow to bed...look for some new commits tomorrow morning your time >.<23:42
nashget my contact info then?23:42
DystopicFroaye, guess the pm back got garbled23:43
DystopicFrohave a good one, nash23:43
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nashIndeed - no priv response at all23:44
nashAnyway - have a good one23:44
mithrofro_idling_obser: you need to be registered on the nickserv before you can private message23:48

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