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remaxim | hi | 05:27 |
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JLP | remaxim: ahoy | 05:32 |
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remaxim | hi JLP | 05:32 |
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JLP | mithro: do you know Apricot project? | 06:27 |
remaxim | ping mithro ;) | 06:36 |
remaxim | JLP, I do ... ;) seems like they still need quite a lot preorders | 06:37 |
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JLP | yeah, i was asking mithro since he is organizing a Gaming Miniconf at LCA2008 and one of the core members is from Australia | 06:39 |
remaxim | that's cool! | 06:40 |
JLP | llnz: ahoy | 06:41 |
llnz | hi JLP | 06:41 |
llnz | i have dugg that news item | 06:41 |
remaxim | hi llnz | 06:41 |
llnz | hi remaxim | 06:41 |
remaxim | llnz, are you a TP coder? | 06:41 |
JLP | it is nice to read how mithro started | 06:42 |
llnz | yes, i write tpserver-cpp (mainly) | 06:42 |
remaxim | llnz, do you know if there is any sound support in TP yet? | 06:42 |
llnz | JLP: yeah, it also mentions me (but it's incorrect) | 06:42 |
llnz | remaxim: there is none that I'm aware off | 06:43 |
llnz | but it shouldn't be too hard to add | 06:43 |
llnz | it would be a per-client thing | 06:43 |
remaxim | llnz, ok... I probably have to ask mithro then | 06:44 |
llnz | yeah | 06:44 |
remaxim | JLP, or do you want to add music in your client as well? | 06:45 |
llnz | other client coders include, JLP and nash_ | 06:45 |
JLP | remaxim: off course, but first i need to work on other, more basic stuff, so that there will be anything to play music with :) | 06:46 |
remaxim | ok... | 06:46 |
mithro | lhey people | 06:48 |
JLP | another thing that I found out besides Apricot that could also be interesting for GamingMiniconf is FreeGameDev - http://forum.freegamedev.net/ | 06:48 |
remaxim | hi mithro | 06:49 |
llnz | hi mithro | 06:49 |
mithro | llnz: what did I get wrong? | 06:49 |
remaxim | mithro, I wanted to ask if there is any soundsupport in your client yet | 06:49 |
mithro | remaxim: nope | 06:49 |
remaxim | mithro, do you want to add some ;) | 06:49 |
mithro | remaxim: I will in the near future | 06:50 |
remaxim | thanks | 06:50 |
llnz | > Lee Begg, one of the co-founders, was able to develop a C++ protocol | 06:50 |
llnz | library as part of his studies; | 06:50 |
remaxim | mithro, what's the name of your client once again? | 06:50 |
mithro | tpclient-pywx | 06:51 |
JLP | yeah maybe it would be good to come up with a different name for pywx client | 06:51 |
remaxim | JLP, +1 | 06:52 |
mithro | JLP: why? it is a Python wxWidget client for thousand parsec :) | 06:52 |
remaxim | mithro, ... :D ... that's just the same as the Nokia people say | 06:52 |
mithro | remaxim: ? | 06:53 |
remaxim | mithro, their cell phones have those weird names | 06:53 |
remaxim | it's very technical and it discourages consumers | 06:54 |
mithro | remaxim: oh, okay - tpclient-pywx is pretty self explanatory, on debian it would be linked to tpclient | 06:54 |
remaxim | mithro, of course it is! maybe you just need a more appealing name | 06:55 |
mithro | remaxim: can we talk about the Thousand Parsec Album? | 06:55 |
JLP | yup, something that looks more sexy on news pages :) | 06:55 |
remaxim | mithro, of course we can | 06:55 |
remaxim | JLP, +1 ;) | 06:56 |
remaxim | mithro, zzorn told me that I can use the logo as CC-BY-NC-SA :) | 06:56 |
mithro | remaxim: it would be cool for you to release it, but could you name is something else? | 06:58 |
remaxim | I hope it's going to highlight Thousand Parsec | 06:58 |
remaxim | oh... | 06:58 |
remaxim | mithro, may I ask why? | 06:58 |
mithro | remaxim: something like "xxx for Thousand Parsec" ? | 06:59 |
remaxim | ah... ok! | 06:59 |
JLP | soundtrack for tp | 06:59 |
mithro | yeah that would be cool | 06:59 |
remaxim | ok, of course I can do that | 07:00 |
remaxim | I mean "Thousand Parsec Soundtrack" implies that you don't need any music anymore and that this soundtrack is final | 07:01 |
remaxim | mithro, or was there any problem with the name? | 07:02 |
mithro | remaxim: yeah | 07:02 |
remaxim | mithro, you could lose your trademark? | 07:03 |
mithro | Thousand Parsec Soundtrack is pretty final where as "Soundtrack for Thousand Parsec" is quite different | 07:03 |
remaxim | fuck... that should be "any other problem" | 07:03 |
remaxim | I just told the same ;) ... It's quite reasonable | 07:04 |
JLP | yup makes sense | 07:04 |
remaxim | mithro, as you're the one with the most advanced client, I hope you're going to tell me how long the music should be | 07:04 |
remaxim | I mean it's looped... so you just have to say how long and I ll make it that long! | 07:05 |
remaxim | I think that 5 should be shorter than 8 ... and 8 should be shorter than 9 ... just because it doesn't get boring that fast | 07:06 |
mithro | remaxim: well, you should be able to listen to it for 5 hours straight without going mad :) | 07:07 |
remaxim | that's your job! ... I mean you decide how they will be played | 07:08 |
mithro | remaxim: but if you have a 1 minute loop, there isn't a huge amount I can do :) | 07:08 |
remaxim | it's just the question how fast they should rotate | 07:08 |
remaxim | mithro, there only some sec loop | 07:08 |
remaxim | those basic loops are very short | 07:09 |
mithro | remaxim: well, assume I just play all your music consecatively? | 07:09 |
mithro | remaxim: so do you have a list of your latest stuff? | 07:09 |
remaxim | mithro, the ones I am going to release are in this folder: http://www.box.net/shared/lbqx6709eq | 07:10 |
tpb | Title: Box.net - Free Online File Storage, Internet File Sharing, Online Storage, Access Documents & Files Anywhere, Backup Data, Send Files (at www.box.net) | 07:10 |
mithro | remaxim: only 3? | 07:11 |
remaxim | hm? | 07:11 |
remaxim | of course.., | 07:11 |
mithro | remaxim: bit small for a soundtrack? | 07:11 |
remaxim | I told you that everybody wants 100 but everybody only gets 3... | 07:12 |
remaxim | mithro, not necessarily | 07:12 |
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mithro | llnz: so what did you do as part of your course work? | 07:13 |
remaxim | mithro, because of me? | 07:13 |
llnz | refactored tpserver-cpp | 07:13 |
mithro | remaxim: no, just worked for ~12 hours today | 07:13 |
remaxim | oh ok! seems reasonable | 07:14 |
remaxim | mithro, I ll leave you my email add, so you can contact me when you have more work for me! | 07:15 |
mithro | remaxim: not going to do the music for the battle viewer? | 07:16 |
remaxim | mithro, I don't see any reason for that! | 07:16 |
mithro | jotham will restart working on the battleviewer very soon | 07:16 |
mithro | he just finished a big work project | 07:16 |
remaxim | I didn't hear anything from this guy and I couldn't find out how far he is | 07:17 |
remaxim | mithro, that's what my email add is for | 07:17 |
mithro | but if he has music, then it would inspire him to work harder :P | 07:17 |
remaxim | I want to work fast ... and it was just impossible without getting feedback by someone who knows the battle viewer | 07:17 |
remaxim | mithro, I know... if I would see the battle viewer in action I would have some inspiration for the music ;) | 07:18 |
mithro | remaxim: I can give you feedback on the battle music :) | 07:19 |
remaxim | It was very hard to do the battle song I already posted ... | 07:19 |
remaxim | http://www.box.net/shared/bp8j3xpcr9 | 07:19 |
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JLP | remaxim: imagine big starships around a planet all firing large laser beams and then some small fighters ciceling around those big starhips and hunting each other | 07:19 |
remaxim | ... | 07:20 |
remaxim | JLP, I only can hear some sounds... but no music right now | 07:20 |
mithro | llnz: can you restart demo2? | 07:21 |
llnz | mithro: sure | 07:21 |
remaxim | mithro, do you know all 3 pieces I did? | 07:21 |
mithro | remaxim: need more up-beat and more intense | 07:22 |
remaxim | I know... guess what I had problems with ;) | 07:22 |
mithro | s/need/needs | 07:22 |
mithro | Imagine a bunch of large ships blowing the crap out of each other | 07:22 |
remaxim | so ... do you know all 3 songs? | 07:22 |
mithro | remaxim: these three - http://www.box.net/shared/lbqx6709eq | 07:23 |
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remaxim | yes | 07:23 |
remaxim | those three | 07:23 |
mithro | I'll listen to them again in moment | 07:23 |
remaxim | mithro, do you think they need some endings? | 07:23 |
remaxim | except 5-2 ... that one already has a ending! ( but if you don't like the ending just tell me ;) ) | 07:24 |
jotham | hi | 07:26 |
llnz | hi jotham | 07:26 |
remaxim | hi jotham | 07:26 |
remaxim | finally I have the opportunity to talk to you :) | 07:27 |
remaxim | jotham, you're the guy working on the battle viewer? | 07:27 |
jotham | that was the theory | 07:27 |
mithro | remaxim: I don't seem to getting much sound on G\ 5-2 | 07:27 |
remaxim | mithro, what do you mean with that? | 07:28 |
remaxim | jotham, what's the practice? | 07:28 |
mithro | remaxim: I actually can't hear anything for the first minute | 07:28 |
remaxim | wow ... | 07:28 |
remaxim | works well at my place | 07:29 |
remaxim | mithro, did you download it? | 07:29 |
jotham | the practice is i threw myself into 6 months of corporate rape | 07:29 |
jotham | and just finished yesterday | 07:29 |
jotham | but am keen to get back onto it | 07:29 |
jotham | i have till jan 14th off | 07:29 |
mithro | remaxim: it seems very quiet | 07:29 |
remaxim | it actually is quite | 07:29 |
jotham | what's up | 07:30 |
mithro | after 52 seconds it seems okay | 07:30 |
mithro | i'm playing this on my laptop however | 07:31 |
remaxim | mithro, strange... does it seem to be made by me? | 07:31 |
mithro | so it could just be that | 07:31 |
remaxim | it's getting louder for the first minute... I actually like it that way | 07:31 |
remaxim | jotham, I thought about doing a battle song | 07:31 |
remaxim | for the battleviewer .... | 07:31 |
jotham | ok | 07:32 |
jotham | on that note, i've been listening to the descent 2 soundtrack lately | 07:32 |
jotham | it's pretty amusing | 07:32 |
remaxim | I just wondered if it's going to be done in the near future | 07:33 |
jotham | it should be functional soon | 07:33 |
remaxim | ok! | 07:34 |
remaxim | could anyone of you just write me an email when it's that far? | 07:34 |
mithro | jotham is a machine when he gets going :) | 07:35 |
remaxim | :D | 07:36 |
JLP | oh yeah mithro, i almost forgot, someone found TP on wikipedia and came yesterday here asking this: | 07:36 |
JLP | <Sleyrod> Some of friends and I wanna make a MMORTS | 07:36 |
JLP | <Sleyrod> Do you thinks it is possible with taking TP as the base of that project? | 07:36 |
mithro | JLP: yeah, just read it | 07:37 |
mithro | can't really make a RTS game | 07:37 |
remaxim | mithro, I seriously want to finish what I was working on and then start from scratch | 07:37 |
mithro | remaxim: can you try some up-beat stuff? | 07:38 |
remaxim | mithro, not yet! sorry | 07:39 |
remaxim | mithro, please help me finish my work! | 07:39 |
remaxim | when you have new work for me you still can email me... but I don't want to work for things I never have seen... not yet | 07:40 |
mithro | remaxim: just listening to your other bits | 07:40 |
remaxim | thanks | 07:40 |
mithro | remaxim: I think I'm going to have to relisten to these on a decent sound system | 07:41 |
remaxim | yeah... that would be cool ;) | 07:42 |
JLP | i must say i like those in game music ones 5, 8 and 9, i think they should just be longer (close to 5 minutes) and maybe there could be some slight variation of some sort in the middle | 07:43 |
JLP | remaxim: oh yeah, did you manage to recover the intro movie you over wrote? | 07:45 |
remaxim | JLP, 9 already has a middle part | 07:45 |
remaxim | JLP, no... | 07:45 |
remaxim | I dunno any way to recover it | 07:45 |
JLP | well from the ones i have here intro4 is the one i like the most | 07:46 |
remaxim | intro4? | 07:46 |
remaxim | the one I send you yesterday? | 07:46 |
mithro | remaxim: where are you up too with the intro? last one I heard was graphics-intro-high6.mpg | 07:47 |
remaxim | mithro, that's still the best one | 07:47 |
remaxim | mithro, and I lost the original file for that | 07:47 |
mithro | remaxim: damn :( | 07:47 |
remaxim | yeah... I just saved another version on it :( | 07:47 |
JLP | remaxim: i think you sent me intro6 yesterday | 07:48 |
remaxim | yep I did | 07:48 |
JLP | in intro6 i don't like that collision sound too much | 07:48 |
mithro | JLP: the hissing bit? | 07:49 |
mithro | or the explosion? | 07:49 |
JLP | his | 07:49 |
remaxim | JLP, do you like the firesound? | 07:49 |
remaxim | because that is intro4... | 07:49 |
remaxim | I think that one is one of the strangest | 07:49 |
JLP | yeah like something is burning or bubbling, i would just use stronger sound, a bit more bass | 07:50 |
mithro | I don't like the crackling sound in intro4 | 07:51 |
mithro | well I need to go to bed | 07:52 |
remaxim | me neither | 07:52 |
remaxim | good night mithro | 07:52 |
mithro | got a long day tommorrow too | 07:52 |
JLP | mithro: night | 07:52 |
JLP | in intro6 it sounds to me like someone is pumping gas thru a pipe | 07:53 |
llnz | demo2 restarted | 07:55 |
JLP | remaxim: did i give you the link to ascendancy music yet? | 07:57 |
remaxim | JLP, that's actually the sound of it | 07:57 |
remaxim | JLP, I think you did | 07:57 |
JLP | oh ok then i thought i forgot | 07:58 |
JLP | did you listen to it? | 07:58 |
remaxim | a little bit... | 08:00 |
remaxim | I can't remember much... I think I wasn't too impressed | 08:00 |
remaxim | maybe I didn't | 08:01 |
remaxim | I think I had problems downloading it last time | 08:02 |
JLP | do i repost the link? probably our ISP had problems | 08:03 |
JLP | the connaction was still crap yesterday and is still unstable today | 08:03 |
remaxim | JLP, no... I downloaded it once again | 08:03 |
remaxim | I realised that I already have it | 08:04 |
remaxim | the soundtrack sounds crazy | 08:06 |
JLP | yeah, not exactly what someone would expect for such a game, but i don't know, i really liked it while playing it | 08:07 |
remaxim | yeah, it sounds cool | 08:08 |
JLP | theme 03 has some nice battle theme in it | 08:11 |
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JLP | maybe that could be used for inspiration | 08:12 |
JLP | and i somehow like those windpipes (or what they are called) | 08:13 |
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llnz | later all | 08:16 |
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remaxim | JLP, most of the songs of the Ascendancy soundtrack are about 2 minutes | 08:20 |
JLP | yeah that was the biggest problem with it, too short and it repeated too much then | 08:24 |
remaxim | brb | 08:24 |
remaxim | back | 08:47 |
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JLP | Sleyrod: ahoy | 09:00 |
Sleyrod | JLP: ahoy!! | 09:00 |
JLP | i asked mithro and he said that currently it is not really possible to make RTS games with TP | 09:01 |
JLP | it was designed only for TBS | 09:01 |
Sleyrod | I think so too... | 09:01 |
Sleyrod | but what is interresting me in TP is the contact with the server... | 09:02 |
Sleyrod | I run TP yesterday (i didn't understand how to play, but that is another question..), | 09:03 |
Sleyrod | and i think TP can make the part MMO of my projet. | 09:04 |
JLP | yeah that could work, something similar like a fork of TP but for real time | 09:09 |
Sleyrod | yeap | 09:16 |
Sleyrod | Do you know the RTS engine named SPRING? | 09:17 |
JLP | i think i have stumbled upon it, quite a long time ago | 09:19 |
Sleyrod | it is a free rts engine in c++ made by some fan of "the very one RTS game: Total annihilation" | 09:22 |
JLP | ah yeah thats the one, now i'm sure i did visit their website at some time | 09:23 |
Sleyrod | I think i will made a pdf to explain what i wanna do, cause i try to explain you that i can use the Spring engine without large modification, every map need to be spherical map... | 09:25 |
Sleyrod | i think you will think i am a crazy man.. | 09:25 |
Sleyrod | (* if i try to explain) | 09:26 |
Sleyrod | (* i can't | 09:27 |
Sleyrod | lol | 09:27 |
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remaxim | bye | 10:03 |
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remaxim | hi | 14:30 |
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remaxim | ok... I have to get some sleep right now! | 17:24 |
remaxim | bye | 17:24 |
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mithro | morning people | 18:41 |
mithro | picked up my new computer this morning | 18:41 |
nash | Cool | 18:47 |
nash | What is it? | 18:47 |
mithro | Quad Core2 Q6600 2.4GHz, 4gb of RAM, ATI 2600XT | 18:49 |
nash | So is it powerful enough to run tpclient-py? | 18:51 |
mithro | nash: it should be powerful enough to run 5 tpsai-py with a 10,000 planet universes and turns under a minute | 18:51 |
mithro | tpsai-py is a bit inefficent :P | 18:52 |
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DystopicFro | ahoyhoy all | 23:13 |
nash | heyo fro | 23:14 |
DystopicFro | how's things around these parts, nash? | 23:16 |
nash | Okay.... | 23:17 |
nash | So ore work coming from you soon? | 23:17 |
* DystopicFro laughs | 23:17 | |
DystopicFro | yes, actually, I plan on pulling everything together | 23:17 |
DystopicFro | I never did get settled in when the semester started, and it's been a rollercoaster, right now finances are grim for me and my girl, but things are looking up | 23:18 |
DystopicFro | and I've been consistently bothered by having the RDE unfinished | 23:18 |
nash | Heh - you got everything at the end of SoC okay? | 23:18 |
DystopicFro | yeah, everything came through great | 23:19 |
DystopicFro | did Google even relent and send mentors t-shirts? | 23:19 |
DystopicFro | s/even/ever/ | 23:19 |
nash | Yeah, at the end of of course ;-) | 23:20 |
DystopicFro | >.< | 23:20 |
nash | I have to say mentors really get shafted on it however... | 23:20 |
DystopicFro | well, I guess Google figures that offering manpower is enough...that only starry eyed college students can be swayed by swag | 23:21 |
nash | project gets cash; students get cash, shirts, books and certificates; lowly mentors get t-shirt... after everything else is don | 23:21 |
nash | DystopicFro: I think avoiding cash is fine - just things like certs & books...hmm | 23:22 |
DystopicFro | absolutely...it's the swag that shows they care...and surely G has the resources to show some love to the mentors | 23:22 |
DystopicFro | even a coffee mug or the like >.< | 23:23 |
DystopicFro | maybe next year, eh? Is mithro going to apply for TP again? or are things moving nicely with the new interest that GSoC brought? | 23:23 |
nash | I assume he'll apply, I'll kick him if he doesn't | 23:25 |
nash | There is no reason not too - even big projects like gnome get a boost out of SoC | 23:25 |
nash | We hope we can get more continually active people | 23:25 |
* DystopicFro nods with shame | 23:25 | |
DystopicFro | I hate the fact that I never finished up the RDE, but these days I feel like a chicken with its head cut off | 23:26 |
DystopicFro | I'm trying to make the leap into the job market, actually, to try to get on a stable financial footing, putting education on the back-burner for a bit | 23:26 |
nash | The trick is really just to do it | 23:28 |
nash | AN hour here, or an hour there. | 23:28 |
nash | Even potering around and fixing comments. | 23:28 |
nash | Once you start to do that, you'll get back into it, and then suddenly boom - you have a few hours, and you find you've implemented some massive feature X | 23:29 |
DystopicFro | yeah...where I'm at though...I was basically tearing out the guts of the TPCL editor, hunting down some obscure bug, and it frustrated the hell out of me | 23:29 |
DystopicFro | so I ended up deciding to do a re-write of most of the code | 23:30 |
DystopicFro | which created more problems | 23:30 |
DystopicFro | and so I spiraled down into incoherent despair | 23:30 |
mithro | hey DystopicFro | 23:33 |
DystopicFro | ahoyhoy mithro | 23:34 |
mithro | would love to chat but have to release this code tonight before I go home :( | 23:34 |
nash | DystopicFro: save it to a branch, go back to where you were... | 23:34 |
nash | do some stuff from there | 23:34 |
DystopicFro | ah, no worries...I'll try to be around in the coming day | 23:34 |
DystopicFro | s/day/days/ | 23:35 |
DystopicFro | nash: aye, that's a good place to start I think | 23:35 |
DystopicFro | It will be rewarding if I can get back into it | 23:35 |
nash | indeed, it always is | 23:35 |
DystopicFro | In fact, I'll try to work on it a bit tomorrow | 23:36 |
DystopicFro | blech - after the plasma center - not a fun place, but it's almost like free money o.O | 23:36 |
DystopicFro | but I'm on a negative binge at the moment | 23:37 |
DystopicFro | anyway, since I'm trying to look for work, I'm in need of references, and I was wondering if I could put you down as one, nash. I feel like a tool asking that with the RDE still unfinished, but it would help immensely | 23:38 |
nash | DystopicFro: Feel free | 23:38 |
nash | Do you need anything from me | 23:38 |
nash | ? | 23:38 |
DystopicFro | I would just need your basic contact information, email and phone, though I doubt anyone will want to rack up the charges for a call | 23:39 |
DystopicFro | and many thanks, nash | 23:39 |
nash | some will | 23:39 |
nash | DystopicFro: get that? | 23:41 |
nash | Can you give me an email if I can expect to be contacted | 23:41 |
nash | ? | 23:41 |
nash | Or something | 23:41 |
DystopicFro | sure thing | 23:41 |
DystopicFro | now to bed...look for some new commits tomorrow morning your time >.< | 23:42 |
nash | get my contact info then? | 23:42 |
DystopicFro | aye, guess the pm back got garbled | 23:43 |
DystopicFro | have a good one, nash | 23:43 |
*** DystopicFro is now known as fro_idling_obser | 23:43 | |
nash | Indeed - no priv response at all | 23:44 |
nash | Anyway - have a good one | 23:44 |
mithro | fro_idling_obser: you need to be registered on the nickserv before you can private message | 23:48 |
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