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| mithro | I'm in the news - http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15824/1090/1/0/ | 00:03 |
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| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1JL8> (at www.itwire.com) | 00:03 |
| nash | Cool | 00:07 |
| mithro | nash: what do you think? | 00:47 |
| nash | mithro: Not bad | 00:47 |
| nash | A little cliche | 00:47 |
| mithro | nash: thats my life for you ;) | 00:49 |
| greywhind | mithro: it's a nice article | 00:51 |
| greywhind | mithro: thanks for the mention | 00:52 |
| mithro | greywhind: it's cool to have you as part of the project | 00:52 |
| greywhind | mithro: well, thanks again - i'm looking forward to the second half of the year. oh - did you get the e-mail? | 00:53 |
| mithro | yeah | 00:53 |
| nash | Oh, a page 2 & 3... | 00:55 |
| nash | mithro: I actually meant the writing is cliche ;-) | 00:55 |
| greywhind | nash: heh. that's where the article gets interesting. | 00:55 |
| mithro | nash: I started on page 3 the first time and couldn't make any sense | 00:55 |
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| llnz | later all | 06:10 |
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| remaxim | hi | 08:50 |
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| remaxim | does TP already have sound support? | 09:21 |
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| Baal | hello world! | 12:44 |
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| Sleyrod | I have a noob programing question... | 12:46 |
| JLP | Sleyrod: ahoy | 12:48 |
| Sleyrod | k | 12:48 |
| Sleyrod | Some of friends and I wanna make a MMORTS | 12:49 |
| Sleyrod | Do you thinks it is possible with taking TP as the base of that project? | 12:50 |
| Sleyrod | (i am sorry for my english writing, i am not a native writer ... | 12:50 |
| JLP | Sleyrod: hm, i don't know how good TP would work with real time strategy, currently it is more turn based oriented | 12:52 |
| JLP | but then again i also don't know that much about TP and stuff | 12:53 |
| JLP | Sleyrod: i think it is best that you talk with mithro when he comes online | 12:53 |
| Sleyrod | ok... | 12:54 |
| JLP | Sleyrod: btw, how did you find us here? | 12:55 |
| Sleyrod | I wanna develop, and i click on develop! http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/dev/index.php | 12:56 |
| tpb | Title: Thousand Parsec : Developers Home (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 12:56 |
| JLP | Sleyrod: oh cool? so do you know TP from before? | 12:57 |
| Sleyrod | I have to lunch, if you see mithro can you forward him that ? "[email protected]" | 12:58 |
| Sleyrod | On Wiki... | 12:58 |
| Sleyrod | *pédia | 12:58 |
| Sleyrod | i am back in a half hour | 12:58 |
| JLP | Sleyrod: nice, yeah, i'll tell mithro about you, if he comes during your launch (bon apetit) | 12:59 |
| JLP | remaxim: any new musical creations while my internet connection was down? | 13:01 |
| remaxim | JLP, not yet | 13:01 |
| remaxim | JLP, I don't know what do to do anymore | 13:01 |
| JLP | remaxim: ok then, so i didn't miss anything | 13:01 |
| remaxim | I can't get any infos about the battle viewer ... that's why | 13:01 |
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| JLP | i'll try to find something so that i can record a video about it so you can see how it currently looks | 13:03 |
| remaxim | that would be great | 13:04 |
| remaxim | JLP, do you think it will be in a good stage in the near future? | 13:05 |
| JLP | remaxim: have no idea, it's not up to me | 13:07 |
| remaxim | JLP, I dunno how to contact jotham ... | 13:07 |
| JLP | if i'm not mistaken jotham is working on it | 13:08 |
| remaxim | I already tried it some times by pinging him | 13:08 |
| remaxim | JLP, I know... | 13:08 |
| JLP | hehe, i was too slow :) | 13:08 |
| JLP | jotham is probably busy with other work right now | 13:09 |
| remaxim | I think so too... | 13:09 |
| remaxim | JLP, do you know if there is any soundsupport in TP? | 13:10 |
| remaxim | JLP, I already organized everything so I can additionaly release a "Soundtrack of Thousand Parsec" album on jamendo :) | 13:12 |
| JLP | well currently no client has support for sound yet, as we didn't have any music until you came around to change that | 13:13 |
| JLP | but it's not hard at all to add it, a couple lines to open the file and play it back and that will be it | 13:13 |
| JLP | yeah Jamendo is cool | 13:14 |
| remaxim | JLP, it would be cool if some of you could do that and try to play the game with music for a while! | 13:14 |
| remaxim | so I can get some feedback on it and improve it | 13:15 |
| JLP | although it is bad that they have removed some nice features in the new orange site that they have now, and they no longer have the better Ogg Vorbis format :( | 13:15 |
| remaxim | they don't have vorbis anymore???? | 13:15 |
| remaxim | wtf? | 13:15 |
| remaxim | you're joking, at least I hope so | 13:16 |
| JLP | nope, i'm afraid not, people are already demanding they put Ogg Vorbis back on their blog - http://blog.jamendo.com/index.php/2007/12/07/jamendo-has-turned-orange-launch-of-the-new-version/#comments | 13:17 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1JVJ> (at blog.jamendo.com) | 13:18 |
| remaxim | I see :( | 13:22 |
| remaxim | that's truly bad | 13:22 |
| remaxim | JLP, I think I m going to quit working for TP in some days | 13:23 |
| remaxim | I just want to finish those 3 main songs and the intro... | 13:25 |
| remaxim | I need to know how long those 3 main songs should be and if 2 and 3 need a end | 13:25 |
| JLP | i think it would be nice if the songs (the ones for the time of playing the game) would be around 3-5 minutes long | 13:27 |
| JLP | the last music for the into movies is already very good if you ask me, not a lot to change, unless you feel like experimenting in different directions | 13:28 |
| remaxim | JLP, which one is the last one ;) | 13:29 |
| JLP | i've got high3 here | 13:30 |
| remaxim | JLP, there is already a high 6... | 13:30 |
| remaxim | at least an official high 6 ... | 13:30 |
| remaxim | unofficially there about 13 | 13:30 |
| JLP | oh then i did miss something here | 13:31 |
| remaxim | http://www.box.net/shared/29ue0ceg3c | 13:31 |
| tpb | Title: Box.net - Free Online File Storage, Internet File Sharing, Online Storage, Access Documents & Files Anywhere, Backup Data, Send Files (at www.box.net) | 13:31 |
| remaxim | JLP, there are only some minor changes | 13:31 |
| remaxim | what do you think of the new one? | 13:32 |
| JLP | let's see and hear | 13:32 |
| JLP | remaxim: aha i like it that there is no echo in the big bang in the end | 13:34 |
| JLP | maybe the collision sound could be more bassy | 13:35 |
| remaxim | JLP, what do you think about the middle part? | 13:35 |
| remaxim | JLP, I wasted the original music file for high 6 :( | 13:35 |
| remaxim | I just saved a new version on it :( | 13:35 |
| JLP | oh nice, i see mithro was interviewd by ITWire | 13:37 |
| JLP | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15824/1090/ | 13:37 |
| tpb | Title: iTWire - linux.conf.au: Games Linux users play (at www.itwire.com) | 13:37 |
| remaxim | that s great | 13:37 |
| Sleyrod | i have any sound on my windaube, but the video is pretty good | 13:38 |
| Sleyrod | (back... ) | 13:38 |
| * remaxim didn't do the video ;) | 13:39 | |
| remaxim | just wanted to mention it | 13:39 |
| Sleyrod | ok! | 13:40 |
| Sleyrod | Also, just for finish about how i know TP, i just found the TP website yesterday... i am a TP noob! | 13:41 |
| remaxim | Sleyrod, I am just a contributor ... I never play it myself as well | 13:42 |
| remaxim | don't worry | 13:42 |
| Sleyrod | :-) | 13:42 |
| remaxim | Sleyrod, just working on the soundtrack | 13:43 |
| Sleyrod | ok! | 13:44 |
| JLP | Sleyrod: yeah remaxim is doing a great job, here is some of the music he has made for TP - http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/pipermail.php/tp-devel/2007-December/000627.html | 13:45 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1JVa> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 13:45 |
| JLP | listen to it and tell remaxim what could be better in your opinion | 13:45 |
| remaxim | Sleyrod, just do what JLP tells you ;) | 13:46 |
| JLP | and don't worry about being a noob, about a year ago I was also a TP noob | 13:46 |
| remaxim | JLP, what exactly are you working on? | 13:47 |
| remaxim | JLP, and who are you? http://www.flickr.com/photos/jrepin/2086990620/ | 13:48 |
| tpb | Title: KDE Education Meeting 2007 Group on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com) | 13:48 |
| JLP | remaxim: i'm working on a c++ client for KDE 4 | 13:48 |
| remaxim | ah... true... you told me once | 13:49 |
| JLP | unfortunately very slowly during the last few months since there is a lot going on in real life | 13:49 |
| remaxim | JLP, real life is better anyway | 13:49 |
| JLP | sometimes yes, sometimes no | 13:50 |
| remaxim | JLP, may I ask you where you are at the pic? | 13:50 |
| JLP | first row, second from the left | 13:50 |
| remaxim | JLP, it is... I mean just because a movie is depressing doesn't mean that it's not good... | 13:50 |
| remaxim | with that orange/brown shirt? | 13:51 |
| Sleyrod | And, are you french ? | 13:51 |
| JLP | remaxim: yup, that's me :) | 13:52 |
| JLP | Sleyrod: i'm slovenian | 13:52 |
| remaxim | JLP, cool! :) | 13:53 |
| Sleyrod | ok, en fait j'aurais du demander si tu parles français, peut-être plus intéressant que si tu es français! | 13:53 |
| remaxim | Sleyrod, he's slovenian | 13:54 |
| JLP | excuse mois mais je ne parlais pas français :) | 13:55 |
| JLP | i had french in high school but forgot most of it since i didn't use it much ever since :( | 13:55 |
| remaxim | ah ok! | 13:56 |
| Sleyrod | but some friend of mine who are from polonian do! | 13:57 |
| Sleyrod | (* who are polonian) | 13:57 |
| remaxim | Sleyrod, where are you from? | 13:57 |
| Sleyrod | from france! | 13:58 |
| Sleyrod | remaxin: and you? | 14:00 |
| remaxim | it's remaxim ;) | 14:00 |
| remaxim | I'm living in germany | 14:00 |
| Sleyrod | genau | 14:01 |
| Sleyrod | !! | 14:01 |
| remaxim | Sleyrod, sprichst du deutsch? | 14:02 |
| Sleyrod | Nein, | 14:02 |
| Sleyrod | i bichen | 14:02 |
| remaxim | ok... Nein is good enough ;) | 14:02 |
| Sleyrod | ich verstehe deutsh | 14:02 |
| Sleyrod | aber, ich bin nicht sech gut | 14:03 |
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| remaxim | k... np | 14:03 |
| remaxim | I can't speak any french at all | 14:03 |
| remaxim | except: voulez vous coucher avec moi ce soir | 14:04 |
| Sleyrod | lol! | 14:04 |
| JLP | :) | 14:04 |
| remaxim | I had to look it up to be honest | 14:04 |
| remaxim | I m always forgetting it ... | 14:04 |
| Sleyrod | ! | 14:04 |
| Sleyrod | But if you know that, you can speak french without problem | 14:05 |
| Sleyrod | i am not saying it's working (voulez vous couchez avec moi...) , but you can try, if you want to | 14:05 |
| remaxim | Sleyrod, no thanks... | 14:07 |
| remaxim | JLP, you have a great view from your balcony | 14:08 |
| JLP | yeah, can't complain | 14:08 |
| remaxim | I only can see some parking slots and 2 gas stations | 14:08 |
| remaxim | I have to go now... have a nice time! bye | 14:13 |
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| JLP | damn, connection is still unstable | 14:16 |
| Sleyrod | i see | 14:16 |
| JLP | brb, have to prepare something for dinner | 14:20 |
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| remaxim | hi | 14:34 |
| remaxim | i came back to get some feedback from Sleyrod ;) | 14:34 |
| remaxim | muahaha | 14:36 |
| Sleyrod | lol | 14:42 |
| remaxim | Sleyrod, did you listen to it? | 14:43 |
| Sleyrod | ?! | 14:43 |
| Sleyrod | it can(t listen (ong story) | 14:44 |
| remaxim | oh ... yes you already told that | 14:44 |
| remaxim | sorry, forgot about that | 14:44 |
| remaxim | shit... I have to go again! | 14:45 |
| remaxim | bye | 14:45 |
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| Sleyrod | i will be able to, if i boot on linux iunstead of windaube. | 14:47 |
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| mithro | morning people | 18:00 |
| mithro | jotham: last day on the project today? | 18:00 |
| jotham | that was yesterday | 18:01 |
| jotham | i just woke up | 18:01 |
| mithro | jotham: oh, so you are enjoying your freedom now? | 18:02 |
| jotham | no | 18:02 |
| jotham | realestate agent coming in an hour | 18:02 |
| jotham | to show people through my appartment | 18:02 |
| jotham | :\ | 18:02 |
| jotham | but yeah i think as soon as the numb of being fucked by my job wears off i'll enjoy it =p | 18:02 |
| mithro | jotham: need a large amount of junk food a a good 24 episodes of something :) | 18:03 |
| jotham | sounds good | 18:04 |
| mithro | then we can have an ubber cool battleviewer? :P | 18:10 |
| jotham | yeah | 18:11 |
| jotham | i am wanting to build a machine, it's going to have 1 to 1.5 terabytes of space, raid 5'ed, either a quad or dualcore core2 duo, i want to be able to virtualise 2-3 linuxes on it, and 1 winxp - i need to know 1) what host OS and virtualiser would be best 2) subisiquently what CPU would be best | 18:12 |
| jotham | wondered if any of you had any experience | 18:12 |
| mithro | well, the current sweet spot is the Q6600 intel core2 (it's a quad core processor) | 18:12 |
| jotham | that's what my mate said | 18:13 |
| mithro | probably want a motherboard based around a p35 chipset | 18:13 |
| mithro | I would get 4x2GB of ram (it's extremly cheap at the moment) | 18:14 |
| mithro | I would probably recommend then installing a 64bit Linux (Ubuntu) and running VMWare Server | 18:14 |
| mithro | or maybe KVM | 18:14 |
| jotham | i thought vmware was pay | 18:14 |
| jotham | it needs to be legal and free | 18:14 |
| mithro | jotham: VMWare Server / VMWare player are "free as in beer" products | 18:15 |
| mithro | KVM is the best one if you want "free as in freedom" | 18:16 |
| mithro | KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine) is a full virtualization solution for Linux on x86 hardware containing virtualization extensions (Intel VT or AMD-V). It consists of a loadable kernel module, kvm.ko, that provides the core virtualization infrastructure and a processor specific module, kvm-intel.ko or kvm-amd.ko. KVM also requires a modified QEMU although work is underway to get the required changes upstream. | 18:16 |
| jotham | hum | 18:16 |
| mithro | XEN is the evil :P | 18:17 |
| nash | lguest... You can at least read the code | 18:17 |
| mithro | nash: lguest is pretty cool - but kvm is better performing | 18:17 |
| mithro | lguest is really good if you want to learn to write your own VM stuff :) | 18:18 |
| mithro | I use vmware-server at home to run a windows 2000 terminal server | 18:19 |
| nash | mithro: You only looking at wall time performance... performance per line is much better in lguest | 18:19 |
| mithro | I also use vmware-server at work to run a windows xp box for development | 18:19 |
| * nash notes he is not actually advocating using lguest in this situation ;-) | 18:19 | |
| mithro | maybe we should start a Rusty fan club :P | 18:20 |
| nash | mithro: LCA-announc | 18:20 |
| nash | mithro: or maybe lca-discuess | 18:20 |
| mithro | jotham: so yeah, use either kvm or vmware-server | 18:22 |
| jotham | this is my christmas present and hobby hardware project for myself | 18:23 |
| mithro | I'm thinking of getting the Q6600 with a P35 motherboard and 4x2GB of ram | 18:24 |
| mithro | so then I can run a decent size thousandparsec universe :P | 18:25 |
| mithro | and finally catch up on like the 100 decent games which have been released since my computer became obsolete | 18:27 |
| jotham | heh i hear that | 18:33 |
| jotham | guess i should go with an intel mobo too huh | 18:33 |
| mithro | jotham: no, a MSI or gigabyte board is fine | 18:37 |
| mithro | just get the P35 chipset | 18:37 |
| mithro | it's the best currently | 18:38 |
| jotham | hey if i get a chip with a 1066mhz fsb, do i need to get a mobo with the same? | 18:38 |
| jotham | the p35 mobos are 1333fsb | 18:38 |
| mithro | the p35 should run down to 1066mhz fsb fine | 18:38 |
| mithro | check the compatibility page for the board | 18:38 |
| jotham | holy crap, a 2 gig stick for 89$ kiwi? ram has got cheap | 18:40 |
| jotham | ok that's going to cost me 1.5k including tax | 18:41 |
| mithro | jotham: NZ? | 18:41 |
| jotham | yar | 18:41 |
| mithro | I'm getting Elixir 2GB DDR-2 800MHz for around $60 AUD | 18:42 |
| mithro | which was like $120 2 months ago | 18:43 |
| jotham | next question, do i really want to drop around 2k | 18:50 |
| jotham | on a new machine | 18:50 |
| mithro | I'm hoping to get my machine for under 1k - but I don't have any HD's or similar stuff | 18:53 |
| jotham | the 3 500 gig drives are setting me back $700 kiwi | 18:55 |
| mithro | jotham: that sounds pretty good price | 18:55 |
| greywhind_ | anyone around to restart the demo2 server? | 20:08 |
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| greywhind | mithro: ping? | 20:35 |
| mithro | greywhind: pong | 21:42 |
| mithro | greywhind: did you get my email? | 21:42 |
| greywhind | mithro: yep | 21:43 |
| greywhind | the attachment should have been sent as more than just the thumbnail | 21:43 |
| greywhind | anyway, here it is: http://free.prohosting.com/whind/stuff/MentorEvaluation.jpg | 21:43 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1JgI> (at free.prohosting.com) | 21:43 |
| greywhind | mithro: any way to restart the demo2 server? | 21:45 |
| mithro | greywhind: only llnz can to that easily | 21:46 |
| greywhind | mithro: any way to start a temp server running something with multiple resources? | 21:46 |
| mithro | greywhind: can you try compiling and running it locally? | 21:48 |
| mithro | it will speed up your development time | 21:48 |
| greywhind | mithro: hmm... i suppose | 21:48 |
| greywhind | what would i need? | 21:48 |
| mithro | libtprl and tpserver-cpp | 21:49 |
| greywhind | k | 21:49 |
| mithro | just follow the readme it should all work | 21:49 |
| greywhind | mithro: any specific branch i should use? | 21:53 |
| mithro | i think it only has one branch? | 21:53 |
| greywhind | k | 21:53 |
| mithro | the rfts branch has been merged into mainline | 21:53 |
| greywhind | mithro: hmm... there is no configure script | 22:00 |
| mithro | you need to run ./autogen.sh | 22:00 |
| greywhind | mithro: i did that | 22:00 |
| greywhind | greywhind (08:06 PM):/Programming/ThousandParsec/tpserver-cpp > ./autogen.sh | 22:00 |
| greywhind | aclocal... | 22:00 |
| greywhind | autoheader... | 22:00 |
| greywhind | libtoolize... | 22:00 |
| greywhind | libtoolize not found | 22:00 |
| mithro | it should generate ./configure | 22:00 |
| mithro | you need libtoolize :) | 22:00 |
| greywhind | mithro: what's that? | 22:01 |
| greywhind | and do you know where to get it | 22:01 |
| greywhind | think i figured it out | 22:06 |
| greywhind | on mac, it's glibtoolize | 22:06 |
| greywhind | mithro: hmm... next problem when making libtprl: | 22:08 |
| greywhind | http://rafb.net/p/TnRMr937.html (39 lines) | 22:09 |
| tpb | Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net) | 22:09 |
| mithro | check your readline version? | 22:09 |
| greywhind | mithro: how would i do that? | 22:09 |
| mithro | greywhind: not quite sure on a mac | 22:11 |
| mithro | greywhind: log a but report too | 22:12 |
| greywhind | mithro: ? | 22:12 |
| mithro | greywhind: well ./configure should have detected that you don't have those functions | 22:12 |
| greywhind | mithro: checking for readline in -lreadline... yes | 22:13 |
| mithro | tim@vaio:~$ dpkg --list | grep readline | 22:13 |
| mithro | ii libreadline5 5.2-3build1 GNU readline and history libraries, run-time | 22:13 |
| mithro | ii libreadline5-dev 5.2-3build1 GNU readline and history libraries, developm | 22:13 |
| mithro | can you check that you have a readline of atleast 5.2.3? | 22:13 |
| greywhind | mithro: here's my dpkg | 22:14 |
| greywhind | http://rafb.net/p/GksuMx56.html (49 lines) | 22:14 |
| tpb | Title: Nopaste - No description (at rafb.net) | 22:14 |
| mithro | you have dpkg? | 22:14 |
| greywhind | mithro: yeah... probably a darwinports or fink install | 22:14 |
| mithro | greywhind: I'm afraid that I don't know enough about macs to know how to upgrade your readline | 22:14 |
| greywhind | mithro: hmm... would you be able to start a server just so i can test this? | 22:15 |
| mithro | don't have a recent version which you would be able to access :( | 22:16 |
| mithro | can you install readline from MacPorts? | 22:17 |
| greywhind | mithro: trying to figure out how | 22:18 |
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| greywhind | mithro: can't seem to find anything above readline 5.1 | 22:26 |
| mithro | greywhind: dang | 22:27 |
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| greywhind | mithro: found readline 5.2 | 22:28 |
| greywhind | but not 5.2.3 | 22:28 |
| mithro | give 5.2.x a try | 22:28 |
| greywhind | mithro: alright! no errors! | 22:31 |
| mithro | yay! | 22:31 |
| mithro | not to get tpserver-cpp to build :P | 22:31 |
| mithro | tpclient-pywx-dev takes less then a second to download a local universe | 22:31 |
| mithro | should save you a lot of time | 22:32 |
| greywhind | mithro: yeah | 22:32 |
| greywhind | mithro: is the make process different w/ tpserver-cpp? it doesn't seem to find a makefile | 22:33 |
| greywhind | mithro: oh, nm | 22:34 |
| greywhind | ./configure: line 19379: syntax error near unexpected token `libtprl,' | 22:34 |
| greywhind | ./configure: line 19379: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(libtprl, libtprl >= 0.1.2,' | 22:34 |
| greywhind | still not finding libtprl | 22:34 |
| mithro | hrm, you don't have pkg-config install would be my guess | 22:35 |
| greywhind | i think it might have been that /usr/local/lib needed to be in LDFLAGS | 22:36 |
| greywhind | nope | 22:37 |
| mithro | that error means that ./autogen.sh hasn't worked properly I think | 22:37 |
| greywhind | greywhind (08:45 PM):/Programming/ThousandParsec/tpserver-cpp > ls /usr/local/lib | grep libtprl | 22:38 |
| greywhind | libtprl.1.1.0.dylib | 22:38 |
| greywhind | libtprl.1.dylib | 22:38 |
| greywhind | libtprl.a | 22:38 |
| greywhind | libtprl.dylib | 22:38 |
| greywhind | libtprl.la | 22:38 |
| mithro | see the syntax error | 22:41 |
| mithro | that means that you are not even getting to check to libtprl checking | 22:41 |
| greywhind | mithro: good point | 22:41 |
| mithro | greywhind: any luck? | 23:06 |
| greywhind | mithro: no | 23:12 |
| greywhind | i'm done for today | 23:12 |
| greywhind | have to study for a final that's tomorrow | 23:12 |
| mithro | okay | 23:13 |
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