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| nash | Epyon: The entire C grammer is 2 pages. It's one of the easiest programming languages on the planet... | 00:35 |
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| nash | C++ on the other hand... | 00:36 |
| jotham | heh | 00:36 |
| * Epyon always confuses = with == in C :P | 00:36 | |
| jotham | i find C++ quicker to bash code out with but when something goes wrong it's a lot more of an issue than C | 00:36 |
| Epyon | i find Pascal a lot more neat and error-shielded :P | 00:37 |
| Epyon | static typing for the win :P | 00:37 |
| jotham | never learned pascal | 00:37 |
| Epyon | jotham, yeah it's more of a legacy language with a topnotch compiler now :( | 00:37 |
| Epyon | Too bad the libs of TP are not procedural, I could link to them from pascal then :/ | 00:38 |
| nash | Epyon: Read your compiler warnings | 00:38 |
| nash | == in the wrong place is "statement with no effect" | 00:39 |
| nash | = is 'suggest paranthesis around assignment as truth operator' | 00:39 |
| nash | (in gcc and similar anyway) | 00:39 |
| Epyon | nash, I mess it up the other way :P "if (z = 0) { ... } | 00:39 |
| nash | Hence it is the second warning | 00:39 |
| Epyon | And I really miss static typing in C :/ | 00:40 |
| Epyon | btw, nash, any luck on convincing Google for more slots? | 00:42 |
| nash | Not yet. But both Chris and Leslie know about it (I spoke to Chris on the weekend). So touch wood | 00:43 |
| jotham | i'm asking my friend at google (in charge of macintosh google desktop) about it, in the most non-complaining of terms | 00:43 |
| jotham | not about getting us more slots, just about the process | 00:44 |
| jotham | dunno how much you guys already know | 00:44 |
| nash | Well if we can find more info about the process it woudl be great, it just seems so arbitrary | 00:45 |
| Epyon | Wasn't details posted on the mentor list? | 00:50 |
| jotham | seems pretty fudgy and ambiguous Epyon | 00:51 |
| jotham | personally i suspect it's biased by 'how much does this give google kudos, and how much does google stand to gain by improving this software' | 00:52 |
| nash | Perceived size/importance of the project may be a factor | 00:53 |
| nash | After all freebsd isn't a big help to google, nor are both KDE and GNOME, but they were both quite well allocated | 00:53 |
| nash | (And to be fair, probably got a lot of quality submissions) | 00:54 |
| nash | I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't look at students at all, and just allocated how many they felt was about right | 00:54 |
| Epyon | Well AFAIK you got more submissions than BZF but recieved less slots, so my guess is that submission count is irrevelant | 00:57 |
| nash | Epyon: Yes, or at least low priority | 00:59 |
| nash | Obviously bzflag is a higher priority project | 00:59 |
| nash | s/priority/profile/ | 01:03 |
| nash | ScummVM really worked out well - which surprises me - I would have thought google may be hands off the legally iffy ones | 01:04 |
| jotham | scummvm is legally iffy? | 01:04 |
| jotham | i thought content maybe? but not the engine? | 01:04 |
| jotham | wierd that they think a point and click adventure game engine has value | 01:05 |
| jotham | indy foa was one of my favorite games | 01:06 |
| nash | Reverse engineering anything is always legally iffy. Especially in the US these days | 01:07 |
| nash | Content itself is also quite iffy, depending on licence conditions (even if you legally own a copy of the game, you may have an issue as it may not be licenced to run in anything but the engine they supply). Ala windows and qemu | 01:08 |
| jotham | yeah that's a good point - so i wonder what the deal is | 01:11 |
| nash | It is probably fine, but I still would have thought it's the sort of project to stay a step away from (once people get paid to develop a possibly infringing application you open a new can of worms) | 01:13 |
| Epyon | how many apps did scumm get? | 01:14 |
| nash | 7 I think | 01:17 |
| jotham | after a look around | 01:20 |
| jotham | maybe it's that we lack a graphic dsigner =D | 01:20 |
| jotham | *designer | 01:20 |
| nash | Could be... | 01:24 |
| nash | Actually the TP website is quite good as far as open source projects go | 01:24 |
| nash | It has a lot of information, not too hard to navigate | 01:25 |
| jotham | i agree | 01:25 |
| Epyon | nash, but it lacks Web 2.0 candy xD | 01:27 |
| nash | Epyon: Feel free to add... | 01:27 |
| Epyon | And some upping in terms of visual design would also be nice :/ | 01:27 |
| nash | patches accepted in major formated accepted | 01:27 |
| Epyon | Nah, I don't know javascript, niphree does :/ | 01:27 |
| nash | Epyon: True... | 01:27 |
| nash | Well she is more then welcome to propose some updates. | 01:28 |
| nash | The format is quite include happy, so a lot of format/appearance can be changed without screwing up content | 01:32 |
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| nash | heyo mithro | 02:58 |
| jotham | hey mithro | 02:58 |
| cherez | 'lo mithro | 02:59 |
| * cherez follows the crowd | 03:00 | |
| jotham | aww yeah, ego cult | 03:00 |
| cherez | almost the 10th... | 03:01 |
| cherez | glad I'm not a mentor | 03:01 |
| nash | cherez: I don;'t know cherez... it could be worse... could be a student... | 03:03 |
| cherez | we get less pressure at least | 03:05 |
| cherez | you guys get to disappoint a lot of people | 03:11 |
| nash | Oh yeah... so looking forward to that :-/ | 03:17 |
| nash | What is annoying is there is nothing we can do about... aside from possibly insulting lots of people until we only have two interested people left... | 03:18 |
| nash | cherez: You smell of elderburies, who couldn't code your way out of a damp paper bag in a snow storm | 03:18 |
| nash | 1 down... 48 to go | 03:18 |
| cherez | only 2 interested people left? | 03:19 |
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| nash | cherez: read the whole comment again... | 03:19 |
| cherez | oh | 03:20 |
| * cherez needs sleep | 03:20 | |
| cherez | that's a choice | 03:20 |
| cherez | lay it on thick | 03:20 |
| jotham | Dreams in the Witch House is a great story FYI | 03:20 |
| nash | Anywya - I'm off to lunch... | 03:21 |
| nash | talk to you all in an hour or so | 03:21 |
| cherez | see ya | 03:21 |
| llnz | hi all | 03:22 |
| nash | hey llnz - | 03:22 |
| * nash really goes to lunch now | 03:22 | |
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| cherez | 'lo, llnz | 03:31 |
| llnz | hi cherez | 03:31 |
| cherez | almost the 10th... | 03:33 |
| llnz | yeah, well it is the 10th here | 03:35 |
| cherez | well, 3 hours until it is for google | 03:38 |
| llnz | cool | 03:41 |
| CIA-17 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * tpserver-cpp/modules/games/minisec/ (13 files): Minisec Planet now has ObjectParameters | 03:52 |
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| llnz | oh well | 04:19 |
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| llnz | later all | 04:19 |
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| nash | Anyway... so anything interesting anyone? | 04:49 |
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| nash | heyo mithro | 05:52 |
| * nash tries again | 05:52 | |
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| mithro | howdy people | 08:22 |
| *** mithro changes topic to "Google SoC (results 10th April - Pacific) - http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/google-summer-of-code-2007.php || Logs - http://www.thousandparsec.net/~irc/logs/ || metaserver - metaserver.thousandparsec.net || 2007-02-26, TP ranked 126th on SF" | 08:23 | |
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| mithro | hey nash | 08:52 |
| mithro | nash: batcave? | 09:15 |
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| mithro | howdy | 11:25 |
| mithro | nash: ping? | 11:36 |
| nash | mithro: Yes? | 11:51 |
| mithro | nash: bat cave? | 11:51 |
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| sijmen | Google site sais April 11, while topic sais April 10. Are the results published early on the tp site? | 12:24 |
| nash | sijmen: We'll post when we know | 12:25 |
| nash | The different dates are for slightly different things | 12:25 |
| nash | We should know what we have then. Official publication is on googles site when they wish. | 12:25 |
| sijmen | ah okay | 12:26 |
| nash | sijmen: But don't hold us to it... we are relying on google for those dates/times | 12:27 |
| *** mithro changes topic to "Google SoC (results 11th April - Pacific) - http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/google-summer-of-code-2007.php || Logs - http://www.thousandparsec.net/~irc/logs/ || metaserver - metaserver.thousandparsec.net || 2007-02-26, TP ranked 126th on SF" | 12:28 | |
| mithro | :P | 12:28 |
| sijmen | heh | 12:29 |
| nash | sijmen: Also depends on time zone - google and us are essentially a day apart | 12:29 |
| * nash notes my story was better | 12:30 | |
| sijmen | where is us? | 12:30 |
| nash | Australia (mithro, myself) and New Zealand (llnz) | 12:31 |
| nash | jotham: | 12:31 |
| mithro | jotham: is in NZ too | 12:32 |
| * mithro pokes jotham | 12:34 | |
| * nash hands mithro his +12 cattle-prod of waking up jotham | 12:36 | |
| * sijmen notes to self: epic fleets do not drop in instances | 12:39 | |
| nash | sijmen: You should be writing TP code, nto playing WOW | 12:51 |
| sijmen | I'm currently writing tile editor code :( | 12:53 |
| nash | My apologies then... | 12:54 |
| nash | So time for me to go to bed. | 12:54 |
| * mithro heads to bed too | 12:54 | |
| * sijmen waves goodbye | 12:55 | |
| nash | sijmen: Have a good one! | 12:55 |
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| sijmen | welcome back :+ | 13:03 |
| nash | Shh... | 13:04 |
| jotham | =o | 13:09 |
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| sijmen | sometimes it's just like if Microsoft is asking developers to please make inconsistent user interfaces | 14:51 |
| sijmen | They've introduced a new menu bar control for .NET 2.0, but it doesn't render correctly in Vista | 14:52 |
| sijmen | But you have to use it for the context menus of some new controls.. pretty weird | 14:52 |
| MihailBalan | all that new .NET is pretty crappy stuff | 15:00 |
| MihailBalan | the technology is very OK | 15:00 |
| MihailBalan | but wtf, too many times they put marketing before R&D :-s | 15:01 |
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| cherez | results are tomorrow? | 16:30 |
| sijmen | yah | 16:43 |
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| sijmen | /me wants tabular switch statement | 19:27 |
| * sijmen wants tabular switch statement | 19:27 | |
| nash | We seem to have an extra slot so far ;-) | 20:42 |
| Ivn | slots! | 20:47 |
| cherez | an extra slot? | 20:49 |
| cherez | I think I know a few people you could give that to | 20:49 |
| nash | cherez: We know lots of people to give it to unfortunately | 21:30 |
| nash | Still, most of the work on the project so far has been done without SoC slots... | 21:32 |
| cherez | so you've decided whom to give one of the slots to? | 21:38 |
| nash | We think so, not set in stone at this point. | 21:41 |
| nash | We still need to go over it again. We've been shuffling at the edges a bit. | 21:41 |
| mithro | there is always a faint hope that some other org will have to many slots :P | 21:45 |
| nash | Well I've been praying for lightning... | 21:45 |
| mithro | Fedora seems to have students without mentor's above their line | 21:46 |
| nash | Dear Google, Can we have fedora's non-mentored students. Kthxbye. | 21:48 |
| sijmen | the Kthxbye did it :P | 22:04 |
| nash | Personal... and cliched ;-) | 22:06 |
| sijmen | Be wary of the dark side | 22:32 |
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| mithro | Epyon: ping? | 23:08 |
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| mithro | morning clayasaurus | 23:32 |
| clayasaurus | hey mithro | 23:33 |
| * clayasaurus is anxious | 23:33 | |
| clayasaurus | for tomorrow | 23:33 |
| cherez | /me is too | 23:48 |
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