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| jotham | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/13/dwave_quantum/ (not to be misread as dwarven quantum) | 01:05 |
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| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/Iws> (at www.theregister.co.uk) | 01:05 |
| jotham | they don't explain how they manage to cool it down to 4 millikelvin..though | 01:05 |
| nash | lasers most likely | 01:08 |
| nash | And it may be an analog box... hmm.. | 01:09 |
| mithro | howdy people | 03:00 |
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| jinkuy | yeah | 03:10 |
| jinkuy | :) | 03:10 |
| mithro | howdy :) | 03:10 |
| jinkuy | mithro, hi | 03:10 |
| mithro | so the status is, "coming along nicely" :) | 03:10 |
| jinkuy | mithro, i am currently studying in Unisa | 03:10 |
| jinkuy | hehe | 03:10 |
| jinkuy | mithro, doing my last year | 03:11 |
| mithro | ooohh... | 03:11 |
| mithro | you intrested in the MIDP project? | 03:11 |
| jinkuy | mithro, that's the thing | 03:11 |
| jinkuy | mithro, i don't have experience with midp per se | 03:11 |
| jinkuy | mithro, but Python and Java is something i love | 03:11 |
| jinkuy | mithro, it's a mobile client. right ? | 03:11 |
| mithro | jinkuy: btw, i don't think it's says it on the form, but I'm putting up some funding for that project | 03:11 |
| jinkuy | mithro, yeah | 03:12 |
| jinkuy | mithro, here's a paste | 03:12 |
| jinkuy | "Strong Java programming skills and an interest in developing software for mobile phones. Experience with MIDP Java development for mobile phones would be ideal, but not expected." | 03:12 |
| jinkuy | mithro, that would be nice. :) | 03:13 |
| mithro | I only got a copy of whats up today, I havn't had a chance to look at it yet | 03:13 |
| jinkuy | mithro, so can i join in ? ask Sue Tyerman and Chris Steketee ? | 03:14 |
| mithro | jinkuy: i have no idea how you go about joining :) | 03:14 |
| jinkuy | mithro, hehe | 03:14 |
| jinkuy | mithro, well you know the usual academic form submission and all that | 03:15 |
| mithro | I assume there is something you select to say "I want to do this" | 03:15 |
| mithro | have you had a chance to vist our website? | 03:16 |
| jinkuy | mithro, yeah reading up | 03:16 |
| jotham | ok windows just gave me the dumbest warning ever (after double clicking an exe) http://the.fieldsofnoise.org/Archive/temp/windows_launch.png | 03:16 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/Ix1> (at the.fieldsofnoise.org) | 03:16 |
| mithro | that is a weird error | 03:17 |
| jotham | it's funny | 03:17 |
| jotham | i assume it means 'this needs to be run by add-remove programs' but..ambiguous and funny | 03:17 |
| mithro | i think it means that it's normally started by another program | 03:17 |
| jotham | yeah, i just thought it was funny =) | 03:17 |
| mithro | jinkuy: the getting started guide is most probably the best to get started :) | 03:18 |
| jinkuy | mithro, :) I am reading up on http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/dev/documents/protocol3.php atm | 03:22 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/Ix2> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 03:22 |
| mithro | jinkuy: okay cool | 03:23 |
| mithro | the protocol is pretty simple | 03:23 |
| jinkuy | mithro, Is this what I am further suppose to develop on ? | 03:25 |
| mithro | we are currently in the process of making a 0.4 protocol, but thats a good 6-9 months off and doesn't effect your pojrect | 03:25 |
| mithro | jinkuy: this is the protocol you will need to use to talk to the servers | 03:26 |
| jinkuy | mithro, well my project runs for about 8 months. | 03:26 |
| jinkuy | mithro, right | 03:26 |
| jinkuy | mithro, 1 year SE project | 03:26 |
| mithro | jinkuy: sounds about right, so don't worry about 0.4 stuff on the mailing lists and such | 03:26 |
| jinkuy | mithro, cool | 03:26 |
| mithro | jinkuy: I think a pretty good person could knock up a workable TP protocol library for java in less then a month | 03:27 |
| jinkuy | mithro, less than a month ? hehe.. sure | 03:28 |
| mithro | jinkuy: it's really pretty simple :) and you wouldn't have to worry about most of the advanced stuff too | 03:29 |
| jinkuy | mithro, :) | 03:30 |
| mithro | jinkuy: i think the hardest part will be the GUI on the phone | 03:30 |
| jinkuy | mithro, From the docs "There wouldn't be any worries about animations, (much) graphics, async actions, etc." <--- I am really not that interested in it either. :) | 03:31 |
| jinkuy | jinkuy, well, the GUI will be Java ? | 03:31 |
| mithro | jinkuy: the GUI would be in MIDP java - which i'm afaird I have little experiance with | 03:31 |
| mithro | http://java.sun.com/products/midp/ | 03:32 |
| tpb | Title: Mobile Information Device Profile (MIDP) (at java.sun.com) | 03:32 |
| jinkuy | jinkuy, same here. is it possible that I read up the specs and implement MIDP Java ? | 03:32 |
| jinkuy | mithro, yeah got that one. | 03:32 |
| jinkuy | mithro, for GUI ? | 03:32 |
| mithro | hrm? | 03:33 |
| jinkuy | mithro, i have decent experience with Java. | 03:33 |
| mithro | jinkuy: if you contact Chris I think he'll organise a meeting in person too btw | 03:33 |
| jinkuy | mithro, will do that. | 03:34 |
| mithro | * Rich User Interface Capabilities: MIDP applications provide the foundation for highly graphical and intuitive applications. The graphical user interface is optimized for the small display size, varied input methods, and other native features of modern mobile devices. MIDP provides intuitive navigation and data entry by taking full advantage of phone keypads, extra buttons such as arrow keys, touch screens, and small QWERTY keyboards. MI | 03:34 |
| mithro | DP applications are installed and run locally, can operate in both networked and unconnected modes, and can store and manage persistent local data securely. | 03:34 |
| mithro | i don't think you end up using AWT or Swing | 03:35 |
| jinkuy | mithro, umm.. | 03:35 |
| mithro | trying to find out more details about how you do a GUI in MIDP Java | 03:36 |
| mithro | jinkuy: the idea is you develop a simple client which runs on the phone | 03:37 |
| jinkuy | mithro, right. | 03:38 |
| mithro | http://developers.sun.com/techtopics/mobility/midp/articles/ui/GuiTests.java | 03:38 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/Ix6> (at developers.sun.com) | 03:38 |
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| mithro | that is an example of doing GUI stuff in MIDP i believe | 03:39 |
| mithro | from http://developers.sun.com/techtopics/mobility/midp/samples/index.html#ui | 03:39 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/Ix8> (at developers.sun.com) | 03:39 |
| mithro | jinkuy: everything clear? or? | 03:41 |
| jinkuy | mithro, yeah. | 03:41 |
| jinkuy | mithro, thanks | 03:41 |
| jinkuy | mithro, :) | 03:41 |
| jinkuy | mithro, got a call | 03:41 |
| mithro | jinkuy: btw, do you know anyone one else intrested in it? the project probably needs two people at a minimum | 03:41 |
| jinkuy | mithro, not at the moment. but i'll contact sue and see if anyone wants to be involved in it. | 03:42 |
| mithro | jinkuy: i'm willing to provide a lot of support in getting started and understanding the protocol | 03:43 |
| jinkuy | mithro, so for the software engineering project, will i be involved in the GUI or the improvement of protocol library ? | 03:43 |
| mithro | (I designed a large part of it and wrote the python implimentation) | 03:44 |
| jinkuy | mithro, yup. I read about it. | 03:44 |
| jinkuy | mithro, :) | 03:44 |
| mithro | jinkuy: i think the idea is both (depending on the number of people) - but I would have to check with Chris, he knows more about how the Uni stuff goes/requires | 03:44 |
| jinkuy | mithro, cool | 03:44 |
| jinkuy | mithro, just a sec | 03:45 |
| jinkuy | mithro, yeah that would be nice. so now I have some understanding on the project. | 03:48 |
| jinkuy | mithro, thanks. | 03:48 |
| jinkuy | mithro, isn't it possible to run Python on mobile sets ? | 03:49 |
| mithro | jinkuy: not in a way that is easy for "users" | 03:49 |
| mithro | plus python isn't suited to the restricted resources that phones have | 03:50 |
| jinkuy | mithro, right. | 03:50 |
| mithro | jinkuy: well I have to run now | 03:50 |
| mithro | hopefully you'll take up the project :) | 03:51 |
| mithro | i think it'll be a bit more fun then your normal projects | 03:51 |
| jinkuy | mithro, no worries mate. | 03:51 |
| jinkuy | mithro, thatnks for clearing things up. | 03:52 |
| jinkuy | mithro, ofcourse that's why i chose it | 03:52 |
| jinkuy | mithro, :) | 03:52 |
| jinkuy | mithro, hopefully if chris allows | 03:52 |
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| adhoc | about anything in particular? | 10:12 |
| llnz | what to do next | 10:12 |
| adhoc | ah ... | 10:12 |
| adhoc | age old problem ... | 10:12 |
| llnz | i can't remember what I have to do | 10:22 |
| llnz | oh, that's right, fix minisec combat (again) | 10:30 |
| adhoc | =) | 10:35 |
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| llnz | i'm going to reset demo1 shortly | 10:57 |
| CIA-11 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * tpserver-cpp/tpserver/ (4 files): | 10:57 |
| CIA-11 | Fixed return vals for the default underlying functions, and log message: | 10:57 |
| CIA-11 | Problems on demo1 could have been due to the return values being the wrong way | 10:57 |
| CIA-11 | around. Switched now. | 10:57 |
| CIA-11 | Also added log message to find out write error, which probably won't happen now. | 10:57 |
| llnz | demo1 restarted | 11:06 |
| llnz | grrr... i have no freaking idea what the combat code is doing wrong | 11:22 |
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| llnz | later all | 11:22 |
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| CIA-11 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * tpserver-cpp/modules/games/minisec/minisec.cpp : | 11:25 |
| CIA-11 | Player systems need to be slightly larger to make sure all the objects are inside: | 11:25 |
| CIA-11 | Otherwise the player's first fleet could hide in the system at a position which is outside, | 11:25 |
| CIA-11 | and no other fleet can. | 11:25 |
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| JLP | morning all | 12:06 |
| adhoc | evenen =) | 12:07 |
| * JLP checking the backlog | 12:08 | |
| JLP | oh nice, it look like Jinkuy is going to work on a Jave ME client | 12:15 |
| adhoc | is that for phones? | 12:16 |
| JLP | yup phones, mobile devices | 12:16 |
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| adhoc | cunning plan =) | 12:21 |
| adhoc | how about qutopia on the green phone | 12:21 |
| adhoc | or openmoko ? =D | 12:22 |
| JLP | hm, yeah qtopia would be nice, I wonder how har it would be to trim Parsek from KDE/Qt to Qtopia | 12:23 |
| adhoc | most of the functionality is there | 12:23 |
| adhoc | MDI is a problem | 12:24 |
| JLP | yeah, i guess the screens like starmap, messages, orders, info should just be tied to numpad number keys | 12:25 |
| JLP | like most of the submarine sims work | 12:25 |
| adhoc | haven't seen any | 12:47 |
| adhoc | what are they called? | 12:47 |
| JLP | hm like Silent Hunter, Aces of the Deep, 688I Hunter Killer, and open source Danger from the Deep | 12:48 |
| adhoc | 688i i remember | 12:50 |
| adhoc | will have to check out the last one =) | 12:50 |
| JLP | have to go now, see you later all | 13:51 |
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