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| Joelw | mithro: Hiya! | 06:25 |
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| aps | Hello everyone! | 12:57 |
| aps | Hi parx , I was going through the list of ideas regarding SOC and I'm interested in "Updation of gstreamer dvswitch plugin". Can you tell me something about the same? | 12:58 |
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| Niharika | Hello. | 13:13 |
| Niharika | iiie: Around? | 13:49 |
| CarlFK | hi folks | 14:01 |
| CarlFK | aps: I can tell you a bit about it | 14:02 |
| aps | Hi CarlFK , please go on. | 14:07 |
| CarlFK | aps: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Novacut/GStreamer1.0 | 14:13 |
| CarlFK | about 1/2 way down that page is: | 14:13 |
| CarlFK | Replace: src = gst.element_factory_make('filesrc') | 14:14 |
| CarlFK | With: src = Gst.ElementFactory.make('filesrc', None) | 14:14 |
| aps | yes I see that. | 14:15 |
| CarlFK | setup the current code, run tests, figure out why tests are not running or passing. | 14:16 |
| CarlFK | that should be easy, but sometimes it isn't. | 14:17 |
| aps | hmm | 14:17 |
| CarlFK | also get the tests working in travis ci (automated continuous integration tests) | 14:18 |
| aps | okay | 14:19 |
| CarlFK | last year there was a problem: tests ran/passed on the dev box, but wouldn't even run in travis | 14:19 |
| aps | oh | 14:20 |
| CarlFK | turned out the dev box was 64 bit, travis tests were being done in a 32 bit vm, and there was a bug in the build process of one of the gstreamer modules | 14:20 |
| CarlFK | that took days (like 5 to 10 I think) to track down | 14:21 |
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| Niharika | Hello. I think somebody asked this yesterday, but the logs arent working, so I´m posting it again. What sort of a microtask/contribution should I make before getting to work on the proposal for a project? I want to work on the bug-tracking project floated for GSoC. | 16:38 |
| CarlFK | Niharika: if there was a simple answer, it would be in the README ;/ | 16:46 |
| Niharika | CarlFK: I know. Any bugs list maintained here that I might look into? | 16:47 |
| aps | Niharika, look at github issues list. There are some with "getting started" tag. | 16:48 |
| Niharika | aps: Do you mean these: https://github.com/timvideos/getting-started/issues?labels=Level+-+Easy&state=open ? | 16:49 |
| aps | Niharika, yes. BTW I'm a fellow student and not an org admin. | 16:50 |
| Niharika | Okay. But those are not bugs. They are prospective gsoc projects. | 16:51 |
| iiie | Niharika & aps there are several github repos for timvideos, getting-started's issue tracker is the ideas tracker. Any other issue tracker you find under a repo / project at https://github.com/timvideos is fair game. | 16:53 |
| iiie | The downside being that the individual bug trackers aren't tagged for level | 16:54 |
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| parx | Morning all! | 16:54 |
| iiie | A lot of the ideas link to issues in the other repos issue trackers. | 16:54 |
| iiie | Goodmorning parx! | 16:55 |
| Niharika | Okay, iiie. Thanks. | 16:55 |
| parx | Niharika: example https://github.com/timvideos/HDMI2USB/issues | 16:55 |
| parx | https://github.com/timvideos/streaming-system/issues | 16:55 |
| parx | https://github.com/timvideos/gst-switch/issues | 16:55 |
| parx | Those are bug trackers for those projects | 16:55 |
| Niharika | Hi parx! :) | 16:55 |
| aps | Morning parx ! | 16:55 |
| aps | parx, can you tell me something about "Updation of gstreamer dvswitch plugin" idea? Where to start or something. | 16:57 |
| parx | Aps, your name is familiar to me. Did we talk to you last year? | 16:57 |
| aps | :) | 16:57 |
| aps | Yes | 16:57 |
| parx | : ) | 16:57 |
| parx | Nice to see you again! | 16:57 |
| aps | Same here. | 16:57 |
| CarlFK | aps: gstreamer dvswitch plugin - what version of gstreamer does it use? | 16:58 |
| rbyne | hi parx CarlFK iiie :) | 17:01 |
| aps | CarlFK, I guess it currently uses 0.10 | 17:02 |
| rihbyne | hi I am rihbyne.rbyne is my second fallback name | 17:03 |
| iiie | Welcome rihbyne | 17:04 |
| CarlFK | aps: my guess is port it to 1.0 | 17:04 |
| rihbyne | parx: why mobile version app considered a different project if the streaming website can be redesigned to start with 'mobile first' approach. | 17:06 |
| rihbyne | hi iiie :) | 17:06 |
| CarlFK | rihbyne: apps can give a different feel | 17:08 |
| CarlFK | apps can also be poor, so.. | 17:08 |
| rihbyne | CarlFK: I mean mobile web app by integrating grid framework like bootstrap to automatically adjust and adopt to these portable screen sizes. | 17:11 |
| parx | Hi Joelw, I see you popped in earlier. Are you a GSoC student? | 17:11 |
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| CarlFK | rihbyne: many ways of doing it. all depends on what you are good at. | 17:12 |
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| rihbyne | ok CarlFK :) | 17:13 |
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| rihbyne | currently I am looking at the issue tracker for contributor bugs.I want to start from here. | 17:14 |
| rihbyne | hi skay :) | 17:14 |
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| droti | hey | 17:26 |
| droti | hey | 17:26 |
| dhanush | parx, iiie : Hi! | 17:28 |
| parx | droti, dhanush, nice to see you both again | 17:29 |
| droti | thanks :) | 17:29 |
| dhanush | parx: I went over and read the rtmp specification by adobe. Also I feel http://wiki.gnashdev.org/RTMP is going to be handy. | 17:30 |
| parx | Good to know. I hadn't seen that source. | 17:31 |
| dhanush | parx: Hmm. So what is the status of the current streaming-system repo? | 17:32 |
| parx | We have to flesh out our projects. Adding pertinent reference material can be helpful. | 17:33 |
| CarlFK | dhanush: all the parts are there, and if you dig enough it is possible for someone to build the whole thing | 17:34 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: ok. So this RTMP component for flumotion. flumotion-flashmedia is the answer right? | 17:36 |
| CarlFK | dhanush: I wrote runall.sh, which calls 01_somthing.sh, 11_other.sh... and so on a fresh ubuntu lts, it 'should' get all the apps installed, and then you need to edit a few config files to hook the various servers to each other | 17:36 |
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| dhanush | CarlFK: You are talking about? | 17:37 |
| CarlFK | dhanush: the status of the streaming-system repo | 17:38 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: okay. my bad. I was looking at a different branch and not master. Couldnt find runall.sh; Why do you say fresh ubuntu lts? It has some conflicts with some other packages? | 17:39 |
| CarlFK | dhanush: I would not expect it to run on windows :p | 17:40 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: Ha! Me too! Im on Mint 13 btw. | 17:40 |
| CarlFK | dhanush: I seem to remember having a problem with rarring. something simple, like software-properties-common needed to be python-software-properties, and the next problem I hit I decided to just use lts | 17:42 |
| CarlFK | so it works on that. I am sure it can be made to work on anything if you put enough effort into it. | 17:42 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: yeah. I'm looking into it now. Let me get back to it then. | 17:44 |
| dhanush | parx: So do you want me to add reference material to the project? | 17:46 |
| parx | If it's pertinent, sure, you could add it as a comment. | 17:47 |
| dhanush | parx: okay. :) | 17:48 |
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| dhanush | If we can set up a live streaming server using flumotion itself, why do we need to write an rtmp component? isnt the flumotion live streaming serving the purpose? | 18:48 |
| dhanush | parx, CarlFK : ^ | 18:50 |
| CarlFK | dhanush: the 'big services' can handle more bandwidth for free | 18:51 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: big services? | 18:51 |
| CarlFK | youtube, justin.tv... | 18:51 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: okay. so flumotion server wont be enough you mean? | 18:52 |
| CarlFK | dhanush: depends on what you want | 18:52 |
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| CarlFK | some people host images on flicker, some don't. | 18:52 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: so that could be? | 18:52 |
| CarlFK | http://mirror.as35701.net/video.fosdem.org//2014/Janson/Saturday/Welcome_to_FOSDEM_2014.webm | 18:55 |
| CarlFK | that is how that conference distributes their videos | 18:55 |
| CarlFK | Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) Server at mirror.as35701.net Port 80 | 18:55 |
| CarlFK | they wanted to do that instead of uploading to youtube | 18:55 |
| CarlFK | dhanush: follow? | 18:56 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: Not at the moment. Let me watch the video. Im not on a very fast internet. | 18:58 |
| dhanush | :( | 18:58 |
| CarlFK | dhanush: I didn't mean for you to watch the video | 19:03 |
| CarlFK | it is just an example of how an event chose to distribute it | 19:03 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: oh shoot! so when the conference goes live its streamed from that url right? | 19:04 |
| CarlFK | no. | 19:04 |
| iiie | dhanush: one sec | 19:04 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: yeah. I got that after watching the first 30 secs or so. :P | 19:05 |
| iiie | the idea is that there are different ways of serving out the video | 19:05 |
| CarlFK | http://mirror.as35701.net/video.fosdem.org//2014/Janson/Saturday/ | 19:05 |
| CarlFK | those are the videos from that room, that day. | 19:05 |
| iiie | we can forward on a stream to youtube, or justintv and use some of their hardware to get a larger total viewership without our servers dieing | 19:06 |
| iiie | at some point we'll have the hardware to spinup to get arbitrary sized audiences (scaling up) | 19:06 |
| iiie | at that point serving video like they (youtube, justintv...) will be an option or serving through them | 19:07 |
| dhanush | iiie: Okay. So the rtmp component would forward the video stream to one of these 'bigger services'? | 19:08 |
| iiie | RTMP is nice because it's almost free for client side (already implemented, just setup) | 19:08 |
| iiie | dhanush: yes, and I think it's also a little lighter weight per stream (for the streaming servers' bandwidth) | 19:09 |
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| iiie | in other words, we'll be able to use it for two different things | 19:09 |
| iiie | at present we have three different encodings that get produced by the streaming servers | 19:10 |
| dhanush | iiie: they are? | 19:11 |
| iiie | ogg, flash, mp4 | 19:11 |
| iiie | pretty sure there's a high and low for one of those too | 19:11 |
| iiie | er, high and low definition | 19:12 |
| iiie | there's also an audio only | 19:12 |
| dhanush | iiie: so then the client chooses an encoding and it will be streamed out then? | 19:12 |
| iiie | they do today | 19:13 |
| iiie | I don't think we have any encoders (things that register with the website for display since they have the stream source) up just now | 19:14 |
| iiie | one of the domains used for streaming is timvideos.us/ROOM where ROOM is the slug for a room. | 19:14 |
| iiie | I don't think we've had more than one event run at the same time | 19:14 |
| iiie | yet! | 19:14 |
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| iiie | I'm reminded that the format is webm not flash, flash plays one of the streams | 19:15 |
| iiie | probably webm, maybe mp4 (which is really for mobile iirc) | 19:16 |
| dhanush | iiie: okay. yeah flash would be playing the stream. | 19:17 |
| dhanush | iiie: so how do you think I should start now that I have read up about RTMP ? | 19:17 |
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| iiie | I'd start trying to look at some of the other flumotion components. | 19:19 |
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| dhanush | iiie: good idea. I'll hit it then. | 19:20 |
| iiie | Probably get flumotion running locally. | 19:20 |
| dhanush | yeah. got it running locally already! :P | 19:20 |
| iiie | Nice!! | 19:21 |
| iiie | With test streams or static media streaming out? | 19:21 |
| dhanush | iiie: yup. I set up a live stream. that provoked the question originally. | 19:22 |
| iiie | Awesome! | 19:23 |
| dhanush | :) | 19:23 |
| iiie | You're quite a ways along then, I'm not positive what to recommend. | 19:23 |
| iiie | Will you be available when mithro will be around? (11am to 11pm UTC+10:00) | 19:24 |
| iiie | I should just do the conversion to UTC | 19:25 |
| dhanush | iiie: Am I? I've got to look at building components. Im in UTC +05:30. | 19:26 |
| dhanush | And its 1 in the morning here. | 19:26 |
| dhanush | So I think I will be back in time. | 19:26 |
| iiie | Awesome! (he'll know) | 19:27 |
| CarlFK | dhanush: have you touched vagrant or docker ? | 19:29 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: nope. what are they supposed to do? | 19:29 |
| iiie | Some of us are UTC -05:00 (1:30 in the afternoon), others are UTC +10:00, I don't have a list of everyone come to think of it. | 19:29 |
| CarlFK | vagrant is a vm manager. docker is.. um.. I am still not sure how to describe it. both are good for ... | 19:30 |
| CarlFK | hmm | 19:30 |
| iiie | docker is for container management ;) | 19:30 |
| rihbyne | CarlFK: I am interested in dockerizing the flumotion project | 19:30 |
| CarlFK | rihbyne: good - maybe you can explain that lol | 19:31 |
| iiie | a container is a portable application/ service thing so that one can "just add" a service or instance to a server or vm | 19:31 |
| iiie | docker.io is the domain (the logo is a city on a whale) | 19:31 |
| CarlFK | both of them are things that I recommend developers should be familiar with | 19:32 |
| rihbyne | lol CarlFK .docker tool used for making a distribution of an app by packaging the dependencies it needs.So on a vvm or a vps it will be deployed and intalled by just a click or a command. | 19:34 |
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| rihbyne | :) | 19:34 |
| CarlFK | it also isolates the app from the other stuff on the system it is installed on | 19:35 |
| dhanush | like a portable installation? | 19:35 |
| CarlFK | or maybe the container does that, not docker. docker just manages it. | 19:36 |
| dhanush | like what virtualenv does to python development? | 19:36 |
| CarlFK | dhanush: https://www.docker.io/ | 19:37 |
| CarlFK | I think it does something with network ports and other stuff too. | 19:37 |
| CarlFK | but yeah, like virtualenv. | 19:37 |
| CarlFK | virtualenv + pip freeze | 19:38 |
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| rihbyne | dhanush: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19325171/how-is-docker-better-if-tools-like-fedoras-devassistant-and-virtualenv-exist | 19:44 |
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| dhanush | Sorry got disconnected. Did I miss anything? | 19:54 |
| CarlFK | dhanush: what is the last thing you saw? | 19:57 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: I had asked this: "hmm. So at what stage does docker comes in?" Nothing after that. | 19:57 |
| CarlFK | er, I never saw that. what is the last you saw from someone else? | 20:00 |
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| CarlFK | but really, "now" | 20:00 |
| CarlFK | go look at it. | 20:00 |
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| CarlFK | to use it you will probably want to grab many meg of files, but the docs and such are pretty good. | 20:02 |
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| dhanush | CarlFK: I saw the url to docker you gave. I've checked it out. Looks sleek! :) | 20:03 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: I'm not clear on its use case for the rtmp component. :( | 20:06 |
| CarlFK | it may be a good way to deliver your results | 20:07 |
| dhanush | CarlFK: ahh. I see the point now. | 20:11 |
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| anishshah101____ | hey! | 20:35 |
| anishshah101____ | I am interested in doing GSOC 2014 with Timvideos | 20:36 |
| anishshah101____ | the ideas which got me interested are- viewing interface improvements, creating a mobile theme for the website | 20:36 |
| anishshah101____ | i have decent experience with HTML CSS and Javascript | 20:37 |
| anishshah101____ | needed some pionters to get started | 20:37 |
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| pk__ | hi | 20:54 |
| parx | Welcome, anishshah101____! | 20:57 |
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| tvCommitBot | [getting-started] timvideos-website pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/YoZpnQ | 20:57 |
| tvCommitBot | getting-started/master 48bc08f Carl Karsten: inkscape url's needed wiki dot. | 20:57 |
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| anishshah101____ | hi | 21:06 |
| anishshah101____ | can you help me to get started | 21:06 |
| parx | anishshah101____: First of all, read the student manual. Are you comfortable using github? I | 21:08 |
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| parx | *GSoC student manual | 21:09 |
| anishshah101____ | yes yes ofcourse | 21:09 |
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| aps | ~seen | 22:24 |
| aps | ~seen mithro | 22:24 |
| Joelw | parx: Hi! I'm not a student, but mithro asked me to hang around and offer assistance. I've done a lot of work with Xilinx FPGAs and the Atlys and the 88E1111 Ethernet PHY in particular | 22:56 |
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| parx | Hey Joelw : ) | 22:57 |
| parx | Cool! We had a student around yesterday or today asking about hardware projects. Might resurface. | 22:58 |
| aps | parx, I'm kind of lost regarding gstreamer dvswitch plugin. This link basically https://github.com/timvideos/getting-started/issues/15 | 23:00 |
| aps | I compiled and tried running the code, but I guess I'm not carrying out all the steps properly, something is missing. | 23:00 |
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| aps | How do I give a stream? Do I need some kind of hardware for this? | 23:01 |
| parx | First of all, thanks for giving the link to what you're asking about. (NOTE to other students!!!) | 23:02 |
| parx | Unfortunately, I'm not one of the people suited to help on that. | 23:02 |
| aps | Oh, I saw that you opened the issue. | 23:03 |
| parx | I was adding a slew of things imagined by a group of people. | 23:03 |
| aps | thanks anyway, I'll wait for mithro :) | 23:04 |
| parx | Any gstreamer/dvswitch folks about? loadstar81, CarlFK? | 23:05 |
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| Shumail_ | Hello | 23:08 |
| parx | Hi there Shumail_! | 23:09 |
| parx | Shumail_ Are you a student interested in GSoC? | 23:10 |
| Shumail_ | Yes | 23:10 |
| Shumail_ | I am here for GSoC | 23:10 |
| parx | : ) | 23:10 |
| Shumail_ | I'm currently in 4th Semester doing BS Computer Sciences from National University of Science & Technology, PK | 23:10 |
| Shumail_ | I went through the ideas page on the website | 23:10 |
| Shumail_ | prax: Are you from hacking team | 23:11 |
| Shumail_ | Actually, i am interested in the idea: "Add bug / feedback reporting from end users system" | 23:12 |
| parx | No, I'm an admin. | 23:12 |
| Shumail_ | i see. can i discuss GSoC with you ? | 23:12 |
| parx | By "4th Semester," do you mean 4th year of college? | 23:12 |
| Shumail_ | Second year in my university - doing BS computer sciences. 4 years undergraduate program consisting of 8 semesters | 23:13 |
| parx | At this stage, students are advised to ask questions to the community in general. Whomever can answer will chime in according to their availability. So, yes, ask questions here! | 23:14 |
| parx | Ah, thank you for the clarification. | 23:14 |
| Shumail_ | I have prior programming experience with c/c++, JAVA and web languages like HTML,CSS, javascript frameworks like Bootstrap etc - so i am interested mainly in idea related to web | 23:15 |
| Shumail_ | From the list of ideas on the website, i found this one interesting: "Add bug / feedback reporting from end users system". I have few queries related to this idea - Can i ask please ? | 23:16 |
| parx | Go ahead. | 23:17 |
| aps | Shumail_, in IRC, never ask to ask. Just ask :) | 23:17 |
| Shumail_ | Thankyou. From the description of idea, as far as i understand, does it requires to build a client side system for bug tracking ? like based on forms - some questions and then options for answers ? | 23:18 |
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| aps | and be patient :| | 23:23 |
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| Shumail_ | i got disconnected | 23:26 |
| Shumail_ | Apologies ! so can you please tell if i understand the idea correctly ? | 23:26 |
| Shumail_ | that is building a client side system for bug tracking ? like based on forms - some questions and then options for answers ? | 23:27 |
| aps | Shumail_, I'm a fellow student. I applied for same project last year (was rejected though). Basically what I understand is that, collect data that could be collected automatically like user's browser version etc. | 23:27 |
| aps | In addition to that you can create a web form for getting data from user. Does that help? | 23:28 |
| Shumail_ | So getting automatic information will be limited to os, browser, version etc. Still it will require few forms for user to answer some questions ? | 23:29 |
| aps | I guess so. | 23:29 |
| Shumail_ | aps, oh i see. So are you mentoring or applying again this year ? | 23:29 |
| aps | I'm applying :) | 23:29 |
| Shumail_ | Great :) | 23:30 |
| Shumail_ | parx: can you please add something here ? | 23:31 |
| Shumail_ | aps, what do you think will it require building some backend as well ? or responses to be emailed to some email instead ? | 23:32 |
| aps | Shumail_, I think a database should be better as it would be easy to sort/analyse problems. | 23:33 |
| Shumail_ | Yeah i also think so. Are you also interested in this one idea or some different one ? | 23:33 |
| aps | I'm not sure yet. I'm trying a different one, lets see if I can understand it fully. | 23:34 |
| Shumail_ | I think the admin (parx) has left the channel | 23:34 |
| aps | he might be busy | 23:35 |
| Shumail_ | True... | 23:35 |
| aps | Did you just get up or did you not sleep? | 23:35 |
| aps | I'm from India BTW :) | 23:36 |
| aps | Shumail_, I guess you have seen this link, if not, have a look https://github.com/timvideos/getting-started/issues/4 | 23:37 |
| Shumail_ | i didn't sleep actually | 23:37 |
| Shumail_ | Yeah i have seen this. So what's next ? i mean how to discuss this with hackers ? is there any mailing list ? | 23:39 |
| aps | see the topic | 23:39 |
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