| mithro | mentors: ping? | 00:51 |
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| mithro | h01ger / iiie / lukejohn_ / parx : ping? | 00:54 |
| mithro | NickB_: ping? | 00:55 |
| iiie | pong mithro | 00:56 |
| parx | I'm back | 00:56 |
| parx | jinx punch, iiie | 00:56 |
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| parx | you owe me sushi | 00:57 |
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| iiie | ok | 00:58 |
| parx | haha | 00:58 |
| parx | hi sahil_ | 00:59 |
| parx | I saw a message from you while I was away. | 00:59 |
| parx | loadstar81: Thanks! Are you a student? | 01:03 |
| loadstar81 | parx: nope :P but I've met some people recently at the local hackerspace who work with timvideos and now I'm interested! | 01:09 |
| parx | awesome! | 01:09 |
| parx | loadstar81: might that be PS1? | 01:09 |
| loadstar81 | parx: yup | 01:14 |
| iiie | : ) | 01:14 |
| loadstar81 | \m/ | 01:15 |
| parx | iiie and I talked to you there. Glad you remembered the channel name! | 01:16 |
| loadstar81 | awesome, glad to be here | 01:18 |
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| parx | loadstar81: iirc, you did 2 summers of code. Same org both times? | 01:23 |
| loadstar81 | nope, 2012 I was with Mixxx 2013 with gstreamer (on the buzztrax project) | 01:27 |
| parx | sooo... do you know gstreamer inside and out now? ; ) | 01:34 |
| mithro | what is Mixxx? | 01:35 |
| parx | my previous was pointed at loadstar81 | 01:35 |
| loadstar81 | parx: haha, well it's been a minute but I've brushing up on it! | 01:41 |
| loadstar81 | mixxx is http://www.mixxx.org/ | 01:41 |
| parx | loadstar81, looks cool! I'll have to give it a whirl. | 01:46 |
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| lukejohn_ | mithro: yes? | 02:32 |
| Niharika | Hello. I am interested in working for developing a bug reporting functionality for timvideos.us as part of GSoC. Potential mentors listed are TimVideos Streaming System Hackers team. Any dedicated channel to contact the team? | 02:37 |
| mithro | Niharika: this is the right channel | 02:39 |
| Niharika | mithro: Can you tell me who are in the Timevideos Streaming System Hackers team? | 02:40 |
| Niharika | Or any helpful link for the same? | 02:43 |
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| dhanush | mithro: I want to work on this -> "Create a RTMP flumotion component." But it is not clear to me what exactly it needs. Can you help me out please? | 04:13 |
| dhanush | hi parx. :) got your message. I was sleeping then. :( Is there a mailing list then? | 04:19 |
| parx | sure, we have mailing lists listed on the Getting Started page | 04:20 |
| dhanush | parx: Great. I'll shoot my query there then. btw. which timezone are you and mithro in? (I'll try to catch you guys then. :P) | 04:23 |
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| loxs | hello anyone there | 08:03 |
| loxs | mithro: ? | 08:04 |
| loxs | hi ttheree | 08:07 |
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| loxs | hi | 08:40 |
| Niharika | Hi loxs. Which project are you interested in? | 08:42 |
| loxs | Niharika: I am interested in streaming system program.I have got to learn more | 08:48 |
| loxs | whats is your interest ? | 08:48 |
| Niharika | Bug tracking system. | 08:48 |
| loxs | it was last years project too. | 08:49 |
| Niharika | Nobody picked it? | 08:51 |
| Niharika | loxs, did you apply for it last year? | 08:52 |
| loxs | no I checked the 2013 projects | 08:57 |
| loxs | what about you ? | 08:57 |
| Niharika | I am applying for the first time. | 08:58 |
| loxs | ok. me too | 08:59 |
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| Niharika | Hi mithro. Thanks for the update on the Bug tracking project. Could you tell me who are the possible mentors for the project? | 12:44 |
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| droti | Hello! | 16:53 |
| droti | I've just ran into your site and projects | 16:56 |
| droti | And I love it! | 16:57 |
| parx | Good morning folks! | 16:58 |
| parx | Welcome, droti. | 16:58 |
| droti | parx: good morning! :) | 16:58 |
| droti | it's 18:00 here | 16:58 |
| parx | ah, yes, Timvideos members are all around the globe : ) | 16:59 |
| droti | nice and the concept is so :) | 16:59 |
| pk__ | haha All project channels are flooded with indian students due to gsoc :) | 16:59 |
| parx | Hi pk__ | 17:00 |
| droti | hey pk_ :) | 17:00 |
| pk__ | hi parx | 17:00 |
| pk__ | hi all :) i am neither a student nor mentor..just a normal fan of this project :) | 17:01 |
| parx | Oh cool, pk__ | 17:01 |
| droti | nice | 17:02 |
| parx | pk__: Have you ever worked on code or volunteered at a conference with us? | 17:02 |
| droti | I am a student by the way :D | 17:02 |
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| pk__ | parx: no | 17:02 |
| pk__ | i am basically a developer of VLC media player | 17:03 |
| parx | of which *I* am a fan | 17:03 |
| pk__ | trying to build a device which could take hdmi video and stream through wifi instead of usb | 17:03 |
| pk__ | haha | 17:03 |
| Niharika | Yeah, somebody appeared sorta scared on another channel by the amount of Indian students here. | 17:03 |
| pk__ | parx: although i have participated in GSoC multiple times :) | 17:04 |
| droti | pk__: so you work on hardware design? | 17:04 |
| pk__ | so the first statement about indian students was just an experience | 17:04 |
| pk__ | droti: yes right now | 17:05 |
| droti | cool :) | 17:05 |
| parx | re: concentration of students from a particular area, perhaps they've got a great way of spreading the word. Last week I visited a CS dept at a university near me... little awareness of GSoC : ( | 17:05 |
| droti | and before? | 17:05 |
| parx | I hope to do something about that though : ) | 17:05 |
| parx | pk__: were you a student or mentor? | 17:06 |
| pk__ | parx: although people NON-INDIAN tend to stick more to the project after GSoC | 17:07 |
| pk__ | parx: student | 17:07 |
| pk__ | its been many years | 17:07 |
| droti | pk__: and how did you start? | 17:07 |
| pk__ | droti: u trying for student? | 17:08 |
| droti | hopefully | 17:08 |
| pk__ | select a project and start working on it | 17:08 |
| pk__ | parx: how many slots you got last time? | 17:09 |
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| parx | 3 slots in our first year! | 17:09 |
| pk__ | cool | 17:09 |
| parx | a lot for a first timer | 17:09 |
| pk__ | of which how many did you report completed | 17:09 |
| parx | 2 of 3 | 17:10 |
| pk__ | ahh' | 17:10 |
| rihbyne | hi parx | 17:10 |
| droti | pk__: what do you mean by working on it? make plans or start coding? | 17:10 |
| pk__ | carol smith still admin of gsoc? | 17:10 |
| parx | howdy rihbyne! | 17:10 |
| parx | yes carols is | 17:10 |
| pk__ | ok | 17:11 |
| parx | you can drop by #gsoc for "tea" ; ) | 17:11 |
| pk__ | dont get that much time | 17:11 |
| pk__ | life is tuff these days | 17:11 |
| parx | She's always serving up virtual cookies and tea | 17:11 |
| pk__ | haha | 17:11 |
| parx | droti has a good question | 17:11 |
| droti | parx: which project do you have? :) | 17:12 |
| pk__ | droti: i worked on a project for one year without gsoc in my mind | 17:12 |
| parx | droti, you dont' have to wait for acceptance or summer to start working on our code | 17:12 |
| pk__ | and the result was that i dint have to do anything during gsoc | 17:12 |
| parx | You can take a stab at a bug | 17:12 |
| pk__ | you can force mentors to select you :) | 17:13 |
| droti | tbh I don't really know how it works :) | 17:13 |
| parx | lol pk__ | 17:13 |
| pk__ | droti: which year? | 17:13 |
| parx | droti are you comfortable with gitub? | 17:13 |
| parx | *github | 17:14 |
| droti | parx: none at all | 17:14 |
| droti | pk__: 2nd grade | 17:14 |
| pk__ | yu want to work on hardware or software? | 17:14 |
| droti | hardware | 17:15 |
| pk__ | sure ;) | 17:15 |
| pk__ | got fpga? | 17:15 |
| droti | got at uni | 17:15 |
| droti | not at home :( | 17:15 |
| droti | I was playing with it last summer | 17:16 |
| pk__ | you plan to stay at uni during summers? | 17:16 |
| pk__ | no interns or holidays or something elsE? | 17:16 |
| droti | interns, no holiday maybe why? | 17:16 |
| parx | GSoC is a fulltime job | 17:17 |
| parx | I think internships aren't allowed | 17:17 |
| pk__ | at least your FULL-TIME is needed | 17:17 |
| pk__ | even if you dont declare it | 17:18 |
| parx | droti: you should read through the GSoC student manual- I'm sure you can search engine it | 17:18 |
| pk__ | parx and mithro are admin? | 17:18 |
| parx | yes | 17:18 |
| pk__ | okay | 17:18 |
| parx | droti: It will explain expectations of the students. | 17:19 |
| droti | thanks :) | 17:19 |
| pk__ | droti: if you dont have fpga then how you would be able to work on your project when you goto internship | 17:19 |
| droti | nonono | 17:20 |
| droti | I wont go to internship | 17:20 |
| droti | but may go on holiday for like a week | 17:20 |
| droti | sorry :) | 17:20 |
| pk__ | earlier you said that | 17:20 |
| pk__ | first rule is dont say lie | 17:20 |
| droti | it was a language mess | 17:21 |
| pk__ | even if you have internship say so | 17:21 |
| droti | sorry | 17:21 |
| pk__ | ohh okay u studying electronics? | 17:21 |
| Niharika | Hello. I want to work on the bug tracking system project for Timvideos. Who can I discuss the requirements further with? | 17:21 |
| droti | yes | 17:21 |
| droti | I spent last summer on learning VHDL and playing with FPGA | 17:22 |
| Niharika | The mentor(s) listed is the TimVideos Streaming system hackers team. | 17:22 |
| droti | and now I want to continue that | 17:22 |
| pk__ | droti: u tried hdmi2usb? | 17:23 |
| droti | I want to | 17:23 |
| pk__ | haha | 17:23 |
| pk__ | droti: why do you want to work with this organisation? | 17:24 |
| droti | firstly because T | 17:25 |
| parx | droti: We understand translation can get mixed up. Even within English... we have American and Australians on the team... hehe | 17:25 |
| pk__ | Niharika: prior experience of coding? | 17:26 |
| Niharika | pk__: Did college projects of similar level and did a project for Mediawiki as part of OPW. | 17:26 |
| droti | they have a project that I find very interesting. I love their main project and goal and because I think it's more useful to build such device than making a full basic processor like others. :) | 17:27 |
| pk__ | droti: so theoritical :) | 17:27 |
| droti | parx: thanks I'll get into it :) | 17:27 |
| Niharika | I am curious why PHP isn't listed as a requirement for the project. I want to talk to the mentors involved to know what they have in mind exactly. | 17:27 |
| pk__ | Niharika: which year? | 17:27 |
| Niharika | Third year engineering undergraduate. | 17:28 |
| pk__ | college? | 17:28 |
| droti | pk__: that's all I know so far don't expect too much yet :D | 17:28 |
| pk__ | droti: i would suggest first try to run hdmi2usb on a real fpga | 17:29 |
| pk__ | and tell did it work for you | 17:29 |
| Niharika | pk__: Indira Gandhi Institute of Technology, Delhi. Might not have heard of it. | 17:29 |
| pk__ | Niharika: i am from india thats why asking that deeply..yes i have heard about your college | 17:30 |
| droti | pk__: okay | 17:30 |
| Niharika | pk__: You're from Delhi? | 17:30 |
| pk__ | no but have friends who finished their degree from igit | 17:31 |
| Niharika | Nice. :) | 17:31 |
| pk__ | Niharika: key to selection is prove to the community that you can code | 17:31 |
| pk__ | although i am neither mentor nor admin..but i can tell this | 17:32 |
| rihbyne | pk__: will you be mentoring for tim video projects ? | 17:32 |
| pk__ | i can given a good student :) | 17:33 |
| rihbyne | pk__: pardon please I didnt get you. | 17:34 |
| pk__ | rihbyne: not applied yet | 17:35 |
| parx | Hello Niharika, I'm the admin. In general, mithro can provide the best vision of a project. But iiie and CarlFK (great mentors from last year) might be able to shed some light on the bug reporting project. | 17:36 |
| Niharika | pk__: Yes. I want to start building the bug-tracker as soon as possible. | 17:36 |
| Niharika | That'll be a good way to prove I can code and I'm serious about it, right? | 17:36 |
| Niharika | I have a bunch of links for what I did in mediawiki and my college projects too. But I want to know the mentor(s) first. | 17:36 |
| pk__ | parx: ideas page is so impressive and so many important and exciting projects | 17:36 |
| iiie | Hey Niharika the reason PHP isn't in the requirements for the bug tracking system is that we tend to aim for Python as a community. | 17:37 |
| parx | Thanks for the kind feedback, pk__ | 17:38 |
| Niharika | iiie: Okay. Thanks. | 17:38 |
| parx | I'll have to remember that, iiie | 17:39 |
| pk__ | which bug tracking project? | 17:39 |
| iiie | The mentors are split across the projects, who mentors on several of the projects isn't written in stone yet. | 17:39 |
| pk__ | i cant find it on ideas page..is that something you suggested on your own? | 17:39 |
| iiie | Generally we as a community have four or so focuses. | 17:40 |
| iiie | I think there is a bug tracking one, or there was last year..., one sec | 17:40 |
| Niharika | pk__: https://github.com/timvideos/streaming-system/issues/4 | 17:40 |
| iiie | Add bug / feedback reporting from end users system | 17:40 |
| rihbyne | iiie: can a mentor help more than one student project during gsoc ? | 17:41 |
| iiie | About 3/4 of the way down the Ideas page | 17:41 |
| Niharika | iiie: This is only for tracking bugs reported by users and not developers themselves? | 17:41 |
| pk__ | rihbyne: no | 17:41 |
| pk__ | not officially i guess | 17:41 |
| parx | pk__: It's phrased "Add a bug reporting functionality" on the Ideas page | 17:41 |
| pk__ | k | 17:41 |
| iiie | Niharika: yes it's for getting feedback from users, not developers, developers use bug trackers that exist already. | 17:42 |
| iiie | rihbyne: not as the lead/main/head mentor no | 17:42 |
| rihbyne | ok | 17:42 |
| iiie | Last year and this year the plan is to go the other way and have more than one mentor per student project | 17:43 |
| parx | TimVideos uses co-mentors, or rather primary and secondary mentors. One mentor can be a primary for one student and a secondary for another, for example. | 17:43 |
| iiie | We want to make sure that we're not hampering project success by not having a mentor available. | 17:43 |
| iiie | The best way that we've found is to have backup mentors. | 17:44 |
| Niharika | iiie: So basically it will involve Bug reporting, setting a status for the bug(which is changeable) and viewing the list, broadly. Anything I am missing? | 17:44 |
| pk__ | parx: did carol indicated number of slots you may get this time? ;) | 17:45 |
| pk__ | indicate* | 17:45 |
| iiie | Niharika: The idea is feedback from real website visitors (presumably viewing a video). They may not know what's wrong. | 17:45 |
| iiie | They may not know what their browser or OS is (so the system will sniff that). | 17:46 |
| parx | pk__: Orgs don't know until April | 17:46 |
| pk__ | do you really believe that? | 17:46 |
| iiie | They may be having bandwidth problems locally (and not know how to check). | 17:46 |
| Niharika | iiie: Okay, so we do all that locally? | 17:47 |
| iiie | Yes it's bug reporting in that the result may be a bug report, but part of the idea is troubleshooting with the user who doesn't have a lot of technical background. | 17:47 |
| parx | I'm less concerned about how many slots we get, than great student proposals. No point in having 5 slots if there are only 2 great proposals. | 17:47 |
| Niharika | iiie: Okay, I see. And the database connectivity is done in Python? | 17:48 |
| pk__ | parx: i was more concerned about mentors | 17:48 |
| iiie | Niharika: For connectivity and bandwidth, yeah, there's got to be a local component, though HTML5 / js is probably up to it. | 17:48 |
| pk__ | say if you get 10 slots and only 5 really serious mentors | 17:48 |
| rihbyne | yes mentors | 17:48 |
| Niharika | iiie: I meant, storing the bug data, and the information. Which database are we using? SQL? | 17:49 |
| iiie | Niharika: For the most part yes our server side language of choice is Python. The other projects (within Timvideos) are almost all Python or C | 17:49 |
| Niharika | iiie: Okay. I'd start drafting a proposal for the Requirements for the project and the proposed way to do it. And bug you for reviews, if that's okay? :) | 17:51 |
| iiie | Niharika: Believe it or not the last website put together as a project for Timvideos was on Django and an over reliance on MySQL actually caused a delay. By and large I think we'd prefer PostgreSQL | 17:51 |
| pk__ | any hardware developer here? i wanted to talk to jahanzeb but mithro told that he does not come on irc..is there anyone else i can talk to | 17:51 |
| Niharika | iiie: Okay. I have a high level of comfort with MySQL though. I | 17:51 |
| Niharika | I'm willing to learn PostgreSQL. | 17:52 |
| iiie | Niharika: Sure, or anyone who raises their hand as a mentor. Glad to have interest! | 17:52 |
| rihbyne | parx: can we apply to 2 projects from idea list considering prioirity for preferred one. | 17:53 |
| pk__ | yes | 17:53 |
| pk__ | you can apply to even multiple orgs | 17:53 |
| pk__ | but i would suggest you to focus on one | 17:53 |
| iiie | Niharika: the only hiccup we ran into with MySQL was the setup scripts were doing bash commands to configure the test database, which limited the portability for the app. For the most part we have nothing against MySQL :) | 17:53 |
| parx | rihbyne: There is a limit of how many projects you can apply to (in student manual) but you can have more than one to an org. | 17:54 |
| Niharika | iiie: Okay. I'm open to both and willing to learn. :) | 17:54 |
| rihbyne | ok parx | 17:55 |
| iiie | Niharika: That's the spirit! | 17:56 |
| pk__ | Niharika: why this project ? | 17:57 |
| pk__ | i mean why this organisation specifically? | 17:57 |
| Niharika | pk__: Because I find it useful. And I have an interest in doing front-end development. | 17:57 |
| Niharika | pk__: Not many other organizations are offering front-end projects. | 17:58 |
| pk__ | aaahaa | 17:58 |
| Niharika | pk__: What are your views on the project? | 17:58 |
| Niharika | this* project. | 17:59 |
| pk__ | good project :) | 17:59 |
| Niharika | :) I have confidence I can build something good and useful. | 17:59 |
| pk__ | high probability of finishing too | 18:00 |
| Niharika | pk__: Yep. And I can vision a lot of cool add-on functionality I can work on, if I get the time. Or even after gsoc ends. | 18:00 |
| pk__ | right :) | 18:01 |
| pk__ | cs branch? | 18:01 |
| Niharika | IT. | 18:01 |
| pk__ | hmm | 18:01 |
| Niharika | pk__: Would you like to mentor the project? | 18:02 |
| pk__ | ohho no no | 18:02 |
| pk__ | i am not very old here in this community | 18:02 |
| Niharika | pk__: That doesn't matter, experience does. :) | 18:03 |
| Niharika | Anyhow, I'd be off for the night. Goodnight! Catch you tomorrow. | 18:03 |
| rihbyne | iie parx what pre-requisites do you expect from students new to your org.should we jump right into drafting a proposal.Or if you can point us to your issue tracker and get a patch fix or document the code ?may I know code review tool used in this community ? | 18:03 |
| pk__ | i feel good when i meet lady programmers | 18:03 |
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| pk__ | Niharika: dont worry about mentors..u will be given a mentor that is for sure :) | 18:10 |
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| droti | I'm also going off now, thank you for all your help guys! See you later. | 18:15 |
| parx | see you soon, droti | 18:15 |
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| parx | Niharika: Students and anyone (you too pk__), in fact, can work on our code. Repos are public, patches are welcome! | 18:19 |
| parx | Aside from the bigger projects on the Ideas page/ Ideas tracker, an issue in one of our bug trackers might be a smaller first bite. | 18:19 |
| pk__ | parx: do you know why you are getting exactly 17 fps ? | 18:20 |
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| parx | Some of the projects include or refer to smaller bugs. | 18:20 |
| parx | I' | 18:20 |
| parx | I'm not the best person to answer that. | 18:20 |
| pk__ | hmm okay u have tried it on fpga? | 18:21 |
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| rihbyne | ok great. thanks parx | 18:24 |
| parx | hi shenki | 18:27 |
| parx | shenki: you work on hardware, maybe you can help... | 18:27 |
| parx | got a question here from pk__, a possible collaborator and fan of TimVideos: do you know why you are getting exactly 17 fps ? | 18:27 |
| pk__ | i am on leave for 4 days so i will try to optimize the mjpeg core.will tell you the results if i get success then i will try to send a patch | 18:31 |
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| parx | pk__: sounds good, enjoy your days off! | 18:36 |
| dhanush | hi parx! | 18:38 |
| parx | hiya dhanush | 18:38 |
| dhanush | parx: I am trying to figure out what is meant by "Create a RTMP flumotion component". I mean what exactly is needed? A generic RTMP system? What should it do? | 18:39 |
| dhanush | and also the url https://github.com/timvideos/timvideos/issues/13 is a 404. | 18:40 |
| parx | yes, iiie figured out the problem with that link... the bug has a new number | 18:40 |
| dhanush | parx: which is? | 18:41 |
| iiie | 38 I think | 18:41 |
| iiie | oh wait, 13 | 18:41 |
| iiie | I was looking at 14 | 18:41 |
| dhanush | iiie: 13 is giving 404. do you mean 14? | 18:41 |
| parx | The autopopulating Ideas page is very new. Kinks to be worked out. | 18:42 |
| parx | re: RTMP, The goal is to have broad compatibility for streaming. Generic RTMP is listed, as well, as Youtube, JustinTV, etc. | 18:42 |
| iiie | hm, I think that's missed an update or two | 18:43 |
| iiie | I think that's timvideos vs streaming system or maybe gettingstarted | 18:43 |
| dhanush | parx, iiie : Im not getting any of this. :( | 18:44 |
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| parx | dhanush: sorry, give us a little while. I think we're both otherwise occupied at the moment | 19:19 |
| dhanush | parx: yeah. cool. no probs. | 19:19 |
| iiie | dhanush: We're having a bit of trouble tracking down where that issue should have linked to. We have several repo (getting-started is the ideas tracker). And at some point in the last year the repos were rearranged a little. | 19:57 |
| iiie | I believe the idea is to beable to take in RTMP from the well known (or similar) websites. | 19:58 |
| dhanush | iiie: hmmm. take in RTMP? | 19:59 |
| iiie | dhanush: the only other thing I can think of is put put RTMP link youtube, and justintv do | 20:00 |
| dhanush | iiie: So you mean live streaming right? | 20:01 |
| iiie | Live streaming is the basics of Timvideos yes. | 20:01 |
| iiie | *like not link for youtube and justintv | 20:02 |
| dhanush | iiie: Okay. So whats the best way to start on this? | 20:02 |
| iiie | https://github.com/timvideos/streaming-system/issues/13 I think that's probably what the new link will be (I'll be updating it and pinging the powers that be) | 20:04 |
| dhanush | great. No more a 404! :) | 20:04 |
| iiie | It's a bit light on overview though | 20:04 |
| dhanush | iiie: Cool. Let me read up on some stuff related to this. I'll get back to it. :) | 20:06 |
| iiie | Great! | 20:06 |
| parx | dhanush: Excellent, read up on rtmp (start with the wikipedia page if you have to). | 20:08 |
| parx | Look into the status of Flumotion's rtmp component. http://www.flumotion.net/releases/flumotion-flashmedia/0.10.0.html What's it compatible with now? Our project has a list of desired compatibility. | 20:08 |
| parx | You can visit #flumotion to talk to flumotion experts. | 20:08 |
| parx | They also have a mailing list, which should be linked on the TimVideos Getting Started page | 20:09 |
| dhanush | parx: Great. Yeah I'll get on to those. Thanks. | 20:10 |
| parx | Very welcome, dhanush : ) Use all the sources you can find, even outside of TimVideos, and especially your google-foo. | 20:11 |
| parx | or is it google-fu? | 20:11 |
| parx | :P | 20:11 |
| dhanush | parx: I think it should be google-fu. But programmers have the freedom to use google-foo. :P | 20:12 |
| parx | oops, I think I have the wrong channel for flumotion | 20:21 |
| parx | was it #fluendo? | 20:21 |
| dhanush | parx: yup. | 20:21 |
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