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| clay_1 | Hello everyone ! | 11:47 |
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| ZirconiumX | Morning | 12:15 |
| clay_1 | ZirconiumX gm:) | 12:19 |
| clay_1 | how is it going ? | 12:19 |
| ZirconiumX | I've been a bit unwell recently, but I'm trying my best. | 12:20 |
| clay_1 | I hope you get better, try staying in good spirits ! | 12:21 |
| clay_1 | have you had any progress in your altera project ? | 12:24 |
| clay_1 | So, I am trying to run xc7frames2bit.cc and I dont have much success | 12:53 |
| clay_1 | I think its due to the fact that I dont know how to run files in the $XRAY_ way that sf-slack has showed me. Can anyone help with that ? | 12:54 |
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| ZirconiumX | clay_1: as a note, sf-slack is a bot | 13:05 |
| ZirconiumX | It's a bridge between this IRC channel and the Symbiflow Slack | 13:06 |
| clay_1 | ZirconiumX oops:P | 13:06 |
| clay_1 | So people that actually work for symbiflow will answer through that ? | 13:07 |
| ZirconiumX | I think it's a matter of preference | 13:07 |
| ZirconiumX | Possibly, though. | 13:08 |
| clay_1 | ok, thank you :) | 13:08 |
| ZirconiumX | As for my Altera project - calling it "my" project when so much is being done by others feels wrong - we're making a fair amount of progress | 13:09 |
| clay_1 | ok, my bad, thats great :) | 13:09 |
| ZirconiumX | It's going to end up being a massive EULA violation, but oh well | 13:09 |
| clay_1 | isnt that the case with prjxray as well ? | 13:10 |
| ZirconiumX | That I don't know, as I haven't read the relevant EULA | 13:10 |
| clay_1 | oh ok | 13:11 |
| ZirconiumX | But Quartus has an option that dumps the internal databases into plain text | 13:11 |
| clay_1 | thats convenient | 13:11 |
| ZirconiumX | From there it's a case of auto-generating the relevant structs | 13:11 |
| clay_1 | nice | 13:12 |
| clay_1 | have you thought about how to deal with the possible EULA violation | 13:13 |
| clay_1 | ? | 13:13 |
| ZirconiumX | At that point we then have to figure out what much of the data means | 13:13 |
| ZirconiumX | Yes | 13:13 |
| ZirconiumX | The answer is "I don't know" | 13:13 |
| clay_1 | hope it turns out to be fine | 13:14 |
| ZirconiumX | Icestorm and Trellis survive because apparently Lattice don't really care | 13:15 |
| ZirconiumX | But Xilinx and Altera very much do care | 13:15 |
| clay_1 | and thats reasonable i think since they are the major players | 13:16 |
| ZirconiumX | https://www.eetimes.com/altera-sues-clear-logic-over-ip/ | 13:18 |
| tpb | Title: Altera sues Clear Logic over IP | EE Times (at www.eetimes.com) | 13:18 |
| ZirconiumX | %version | 13:19 |
| ZirconiumX | ... Hmm, wonder what the command is for tpb | 13:19 |
| ZirconiumX | tpb: version | 13:19 |
| tpb | ZirconiumX: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.4.1. The newest version available online is 0.83.4.1. | 13:19 |
| clay_1 | that looked bad | 13:20 |
| ZirconiumX | ... That should get upgraded | 13:20 |
| clay_1 | tpb ? | 13:21 |
| ZirconiumX | I'm presuming this bot is mithro's, in which case I recommend it gets updated to use Limnoria instead | 13:21 |
| ZirconiumX | Yeah | 13:21 |
| clay_1 | I have no clue about that | 13:22 |
| ZirconiumX | Well anyway | 13:23 |
| ZirconiumX | I haven't got any direct legal advice, but the question boils down to how much of the raw data is copyrightable. | 13:24 |
| ZirconiumX | For example, you cannot claim copyright over a file that documents a chess game | 13:25 |
| ZirconiumX | But you *can* claim copyright over comments you add to it. | 13:25 |
| ZirconiumX | Because the game itself is raw data | 13:25 |
| ZirconiumX | But the comments are not. | 13:26 |
| ZirconiumX | So then, are natural characteristics of chips copyrightable? | 13:29 |
| clay_1 | too much politics involved in that I guess | 13:31 |
| clay_1 | they probably have whole teams of people working on how to exploit all that | 13:32 |
| ZirconiumX | Why can't we just hack in peace? | 13:32 |
| clay_1 | hahahaha | 13:32 |
| clay_1 | well I believe that this should be the case | 13:32 |
| clay_1 | I mean there is transparency here | 13:33 |
| ZirconiumX | Unofficially I believe Lattice are permitting icestorm/x-ray, as they can make more money by people buying chips for an open toolchain than they lose by fewer people buying Diamond | 13:34 |
| ZirconiumX | *icestorm/trellis | 13:34 |
| clay_1 | it makes sense | 13:35 |
| clay_1 | but I doudt thats the case with altera/xilinx | 13:35 |
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