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| skay | hey peoples, I added two speakers in pyvideo to a python video. | 02:20 |
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| skay_ | CarlFK iiie mithro: so the question I have, as prompted by me adding metadata to something on pyvideo to help Asheesh have accurate info for an upcoming OpenHatch blog post about python (I'm highly motivated to help OpenHatch) is — when should you all care about data consistency between the customer and your systems. | 14:39 |
| skay_ | and I've chatted some in person with CarlFK about this, and debate with him on how long he should ask the customers to maintain the integrety/accuracy of their data versus considering it stale and useless | 14:40 |
| skay_ | so it is something I wish you folks would debate technical merits of | 14:40 |
| skay_ | my point of view as a bystander is that the conferences have little motivation to keep data accurate at some point during the conference or slightly after | 14:41 |
| skay_ | and my point is, should they? | 14:41 |
| skay_ | I don't necessarily think so | 14:41 |
| skay_ | you probably should work out this idea explictely with them so that you know what to expect. they don't realize you are making assumptions about how long their data should be maintained | 14:42 |
| CarlFK | https://us.pycon.org/2013/schedule/presentation/50/ I think as long as that page is public, it should be maintained | 14:42 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/--pn> (at us.pycon.org) | 14:42 |
| skay_ | they don't maintain a record of what happened. someone might have canceled a talk, and they don't update the online schedule, necessarily | 14:43 |
| skay_ | people give impromptu talks, and they don't update the online schedule | 14:43 |
| CarlFK | If Jessica sees a problem with it, I think it is reasonable for her to expect them to fix it | 14:44 |
| skay_ | authors aren't necessarily going to care about it the same way you do. so you will see problems that don't exist and aren't worth their time from their point of view | 14:45 |
| skay_ | conf organizers, likewise | 14:45 |
| skay_ | conf attendees, likewise | 14:45 |
| skay_ | related topic | 14:45 |
| CarlFK | debate with him on *how long* | 14:45 |
| skay_ | you need to work out cleanliness of the process of syncing veyepar data with conf data | 14:46 |
| skay_ | with richard data | 14:46 |
| CarlFK | how long = as long as that page is public | 14:46 |
| skay_ | then you are debating what is important about what is public | 14:47 |
| skay_ | and debating how accurate something has to be | 14:47 |
| skay_ | you delete email instead of archiving. that is not "accurate" | 14:47 |
| skay_ | it is not an accurate record of a conversation | 14:47 |
| skay_ | (from my point of view) | 14:48 |
| skay_ | from your point of view it is | 14:48 |
| skay_ | well, from your point of view you think it is, but in reality, I can point to use cases where it isn't. like when you ask me to find the conversation in my email archive | 14:48 |
| skay_ | not to get derailed on that | 14:49 |
| skay_ | technical challenge — decide how to merge data | 14:49 |
| skay_ | social/technical — work out the lifespan of all the data | 14:49 |
| skay_ | at some point I think you should stop paying attention to their record | 14:49 |
| skay_ | would you please discuss this with people who care about and use veyepar? | 14:50 |
| skay_ | and who care about and run shows with you? | 14:50 |
| CarlFK | that would be no one ;/ | 14:54 |
| CarlFK | but going back to how long.. I think the maintainers are in favor of maintaining it forever | 14:58 |
| CarlFK | I don't think any of them will ever say they no longer care | 14:58 |
| skay_ | saying versus doing something to maintain the data is another thing entirely | 15:00 |
| skay_ | they can claim to care all they want but if the behavior doesn't line up then — shrug | 15:00 |
| skay_ | go crazy and see http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/ndsa/activities/levels.html for people who want to preserve data | 15:01 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/--qB> (at www.digitalpreservation.gov) | 15:01 |
| skay_ | so you can go from extreme | 15:01 |
| skay_ | data can be transient, some poeple will argue about what should be preserved ( http://blogs.loc.gov/digitalpreservation/2012/12/call-to-action-to-preserve-science-discourse-on-the-open-web/ ) | 15:03 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/--qD> (at blogs.loc.gov) | 15:03 |
| skay_ | like me and email because I think the anthropology could be interesting | 15:04 |
| skay_ | but on the other hand you have the concept of lifespan of something about data. like, data encryption and security. sometimes you don't forever protection, only protection for a set of time | 15:04 |
| skay_ | so I don't know when you want to have data from a conference to be frozen versus living | 15:04 |
| CarlFK | I want it accurate always. I think the maintainers do too. They are just lazy or something | 15:05 |
| mithro | for all LCA / PyCon AU conferences the schedule effectively becomes a static webpage with no API the moment the conference is over | 16:07 |
| mithro | anyway I should have been in bed earlier | 16:08 |
| mithro | gnight | 16:08 |
| CarlFK | mithro: if a presenter asked to have something updated, like ".. | 16:08 |
| CarlFK | k - more on this later - sleep well | 16:09 |
| mithro | CarlFK, we have never had the case of someone doing so - and I've yet to find anyone who cares | 16:09 |
| mithro | once the conference is over, nobody cares about the website | 16:09 |
| mithro | except as archival material | 16:09 |
| CarlFK | both lca and pycon have similar attitudes - I am guessing if someone pointed out "the site says 2 presenters, but only the first one showed up, please fix" it would gt fixed | 16:12 |
| skay_ | CarlFK: I've had one example of that happening for what shows up on pyvideo.org, not what shows up on the pycon site | 16:15 |
| skay_ | CarlFK: I've had a few other examples where people enjoy having links to slides on pyvideo.org. I've added them from time to time | 16:16 |
| skay_ | back to work for me | 16:16 |
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| CarlFK | example of that - what is that? | 16:19 |
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