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| chitrank | Hello Melange Developers , I would like to talk about the GSOC 2014 project Idea that I would like to work on. | 06:53 |
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| jasvir | nathanielmanista: I have submitted patch for issue : https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2069 | 09:57 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BAid> (at code.google.com) | 09:57 |
| jasvir | nathanielmanista: Please change status from New to Patch Recieved. | 09:59 |
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| chitrank | Hello Melnage developers, I have started this thread on the mailing list please have a look, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/melange-soc-dev/N5iujQMTpXk | 14:36 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BAqk> (at groups.google.com) | 14:36 |
| chitrank | I would like to know about more details about the Student Flow and the Mentor Flow Ideas listed on the wiki in detail | 14:37 |
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| sanketjain | hello, | 15:43 |
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| sanketjain | i am participating in GSOC 2014, and i am interested in project "Responsive Layout". So please guide me where to start. | 15:45 |
| sanketjain | i have an experience on html, css and javascript | 15:49 |
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| pirosb3_ | Hi all | 17:02 |
| pirosb3_ | Hi! I am a BSc Computer Science student from UK. I am very interested in machine learning and have experience on distributed web application development (both frontend and backend) | 17:05 |
| pirosb3_ | I wanted do discuss the feasibility of building an application that collects and processes useful information from the data that Melange generates every year. Could that be an interesting idea to start discussing? | 17:07 |
| pirosb3_ | This idea would benefit Melange a lot. I would build informative tools (and visualizations) that give more insight of the decisions and projects that each user chooses. | 17:09 |
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| ayushk | madrazr: Hi, I created a Student Agreement document from this page - http://localhost:8090/gsoc/program/edit/google/gsoc2014 and made the document visible for students. But when I go to this page - http://localhost:8090/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2014#documents to view the document, I get an error in red. Is that a bug? | 19:13 |
| ashishk | madrazr: hi | 19:20 |
| madrazr | ayushk: depends on what the error is :) | 19:26 |
| madrazr | ashishk: Hi | 19:26 |
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| ashishk | madrazr: i want to discuss about issue 515 | 19:28 |
| ashishk | madrazr: in this issue we need to find the difference between two proposals right .. | 19:28 |
| ayushk | madrazr: This is the error - Error retrieving data: please refresh the list or the whole page to try again . I also figured out the solution. | 19:31 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: Hi | 19:32 |
| ayushk | madrazr: If a document is created and is made visible for students, it should be there in that list. | 19:33 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: I want to know about how melange currently seeds data ? | 19:33 |
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| madrazr | ayushk: that information is still nothing for me | 19:39 |
| madrazr | ayushk: unless you give me stack trace | 19:40 |
| madrazr | and link to the code which is causing this | 19:40 |
| madrazr | ayushk: as much as I would like to help you, I can't do much to help you without that information | 19:40 |
| madrazr | ashishk: what do you mean by 2 proposals? | 19:40 |
| madrazr | ashishk: elaborate? | 19:40 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: Hi | 19:40 |
| ashishk | madrazr: students submits there proposal then if they want to change the proposal they resubmit it with some changes right each time they submit it mentor get the mail right | 19:41 |
| ashishk | madrazr: so here we need to show the difference between these two ?? | 19:42 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: Does melange currently seeds data for only limited number of models or for all models ? | 19:45 |
| madrazr | ashishk: correct | 19:45 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: somewhere between limited and all :) | 19:46 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: so that is still limited I guess? | 19:46 |
| RaulT | madrazr: Hello | 19:47 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: So in renovate our test data seeder project we need to seed data for all models .? | 19:47 |
| RaulT | madrazr: Do you have any knowledge of this issue ? http://goo.gl/CCLy4G | 19:47 |
| tpb | Title: Issue 1701 - soc - Mentors should know what proposals they are assigned to - SoC (Spice of Creation) - Google Project Hosting (at goo.gl) | 19:47 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: well | 19:47 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: we are talking about two different things | 19:47 |
| ayushk | madrazr: link to the error - http://pastebin.com/93aiPaCN . | 19:47 |
| tpb | Title: Spam Detection For Paste ID: 93aiPaCN (at pastebin.com) | 19:47 |
| ashishk | madrazr: while i was searching for it i found this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19120489/compare-two-files-report-difference-in-python , i think this difflib library can solve the issue ..? | 19:47 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BBAN> (at stackoverflow.com) | 19:47 |
| madrazr | I was under the impression that you were talking about seed_db.py | 19:47 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: what you are talking about is seeder module | 19:48 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: seeder module is capable of seeding data for "any" model you ask for | 19:48 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: so technically, if you ask seeder to seed all the models | 19:48 |
| madrazr | it can seed all the models | 19:48 |
| madrazr | seed_db.py on the other hand is different | 19:49 |
| madrazr | RaulT: Hi | 19:49 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: so in the project what are the expectation ?Do we need to change seed_db or seeder module? | 19:49 |
| madrazr | RaulT: I don't know what "two" extra columns are | 19:50 |
| madrazr | RaulT: one extra column is to list the mentor names | 19:51 |
| madrazr | RaulT: who are assigned to a proposal | 19:51 |
| madrazr | RaulT: not sure what the other one is | 19:51 |
| madrazr | RaulT: and no, it is not a new list | 19:51 |
| madrazr | RaulT: a column should be added to the existing proposals for my org list | 19:51 |
| RaulT | madrazr: I will ask on the mailing list for more info then :D | 19:52 |
| madrazr | RaulT: sure | 19:52 |
| madrazr | ayushk: obviously, we don't have "student_info" entities any more for profiles | 19:52 |
| madrazr | that needs a fix | 19:52 |
| madrazr | ashishk: sure. difflib was tried before IIRC | 19:54 |
| madrazr | ashishk: this is not entirely a new project | 19:54 |
| madrazr | ashishk: we had a student who had worked on this project before | 19:54 |
| ayushk | madrazr: Changing student_info to ndb_profile.student_data fixed the bug. | 19:58 |
| madrazr | ashishk: https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2010-melange/downloads/detail?name=Pavel_Klemenkov.tar.gz&can=2&q= | 19:58 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BBB2> (at code.google.com) | 19:58 |
| madrazr | this may help you | 19:58 |
| madrazr | ashishk: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2010/parser/5277655813324800 is the corresponding project page | 19:58 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BBB6> (at www.google-melange.com) | 19:59 |
| madrazr | ayushk: cool! | 19:59 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: seeder module | 19:59 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: and make seed_db use it | 19:59 |
| madrazr | unlike it is now | 19:59 |
| ayushk | madrazr: I'll report this issue and submit a patch. Thanks! | 20:00 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: currently seed_db does not uses seeder module ? | 20:00 |
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| madrazr | vivekjain: not at the moment | 20:06 |
| madrazr | ayushk: cool! | 20:06 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: So in the project we need to use seeder module for seed_db ? | 20:07 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: that's my "dream" yes! | 20:09 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: not sure seed_db | 20:09 |
| madrazr | but we should be able to setup and tear down programs | 20:09 |
| madrazr | and at various points in the program timeline | 20:09 |
| madrazr | like for example, I should be able to say "Go seed GSoC for student proposal submission phase" | 20:10 |
| madrazr | and all the data needed up to that point in the timline should be correctly seeded | 20:10 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: btw note, you don't have to do any natural language processing there :P | 20:10 |
| madrazr | I just gave that as an example | 20:11 |
| madrazr | a simple checkbox should be fine to select that option | 20:11 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: So what i understand is we need to create a UI in which various options for various models will be there .If i click on the checkboxes of that model .Then for that model a data will be generated and entered . | 20:12 |
| vivekjain | ? | 20:12 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: correct | 20:13 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: with options to select those models for different points in the timeline | 20:13 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: as I said earlier, if I say student proposal phase | 20:13 |
| madrazr | all the models required for that phase should be automatically selected | 20:13 |
| ashishk | madrazr: for issue 1930,i want to know whether my patch is merged as daniel changed the status to fixed | 20:14 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: So currently we have the module which can do that but there is no method by which that module is exploited.And in the project we need to develop that method to exploit that module ? | 20:14 |
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| madrazr | ashishk: do a git log search on master :) | 20:38 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: which module? | 20:38 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: seeder | 20:39 |
| vivekjain | module | 20:39 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: that module is dysfunctional | 20:39 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: we have had problems with its random data generation mechanism | 20:39 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: So in the project do we need to improve that module or create a new one ? | 20:41 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: that is open for discussion | 20:42 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: depends on what you propose | 20:42 |
| madrazr | and how you plan to do it | 20:42 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: I searched about fixture module.But that does not work for ndb ? | 20:43 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: So i think i will try to improve the existing one if it does not have many flaws or does it have many flaws ? | 20:44 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: define flaw? | 20:44 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: problems . | 20:45 |
| vivekjain | or efficiency . | 20:45 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: efficiency is not an issue since this module is never used in production | 20:53 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: its random data generation technique is a problem though | 20:54 |
| madrazr | vivekjain: in some cases things are unpredictable | 20:54 |
| madrazr | that is the major, major concern | 20:54 |
| olly | madrazr: you want predicatable random data? | 20:57 |
| vivekjain | madrazr: So the main problem is random data generation .I think we can use that module for the project. | 21:00 |
| madrazr | olly: predictable random? | 21:04 |
| madrazr | what does that even mean? | 21:04 |
| madrazr | olly: sounds like some NSA scam now? :P | 21:04 |
| olly | madrazr: you seemed to be complaining that the current random data was unpredictable... | 21:05 |
| madrazr | olly: correct. I should have probably said, the data generated is unpredictable | 21:05 |
| madrazr | due to randomness that the implementation chooses | 21:05 |
| madrazr | instead the generation should be predictable | 21:05 |
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| olly | oh, you mean it shouldn't be random at all? | 21:06 |
| madrazr | olly: well if you can generate random data and be predictable ;-) | 21:06 |
| madrazr | I would like to give it a shot | 21:06 |
| madrazr | ;-) | 21:06 |
| madrazr | olly: but yeah, since that does not even make sense, we need predictable data generation | 21:06 |
| olly | you can seed a pseudo-random number generator, but that's not really random of course | 21:06 |
| gevaerts | madrazr: all you need for that is a multiverse. Easy! | 21:06 |
| madrazr | which cannot be entirely random | 21:07 |
| madrazr | gevaerts: indeed! Sounds very easy :P | 21:07 |
| madrazr | olly: yeah | 21:07 |
| gevaerts | Or just predict any old random data, and try again until you get it right :) | 21:07 |
| madrazr | olly: actually randomness really does not matter | 21:07 |
| madrazr | olly: what we really want is some place holder data | 21:07 |
| madrazr | olly: with the right types | 21:07 |
| madrazr | olly: when we first implemented this module we thought we were too smart | 21:08 |
| madrazr | we can totally do a random generator and hence why not | 21:08 |
| madrazr | and we did what have now | 21:08 |
| madrazr | olly: but turns out, that self-proclaimed smartness was over-engineering | 21:08 |
| madrazr | YAGNI | 21:08 |
| madrazr | or Y.A.G.N.I | 21:09 |
| madrazr | gevaerts: only if we had enough computation :P | 21:09 |
| madrazr | computational power I mean | 21:09 |
| gevaerts | madrazr: you mean you *don't* get free access to all the google servers? | 21:10 |
| madrazr | Oh or wait, there is such a thing called botnet | 21:10 |
| madrazr | :P | 21:10 |
| madrazr | gevaerts: there is no free lunch | 21:10 |
| madrazr | gevaerts: everybody pays for the resources | 21:10 |
| madrazr | gevaerts: even the internal customers | 21:10 |
| gevaerts | madrazr: good. If they're all paying, you don't have to ;) | 21:11 |
| madrazr | gevaerts: only if our security teams were less incompetent :P | 21:12 |
| madrazr | oops | 21:12 |
| madrazr | *were incompetent | 21:12 |
| madrazr | that totally meant something else | 21:12 |
| madrazr | :P | 21:12 |
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| gevaerts | Ah, yes. That could be an issue :) | 21:12 |
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| ashishk | madrazr: can you please tell me how melange currently handles umbrella orgs?? | 21:42 |
| ashishk | madrazr:looking for issue 1306 | 21:43 |
| ashishk | Add tools for umbrella orgs | 21:43 |
| gevaerts | ashishk: I might be wrong here, but as a long-time observer I think it doesn't have any special umbrella features at all right now | 21:44 |
| ashishk | gevaerts: how do we know whether register org is an umbrella org or simple one ?? | 21:46 |
| ashishk | *registered | 21:46 |
| gevaerts | I don't think you do right now | 21:47 |
| gevaerts | But again, madrazr may well contradict me | 21:47 |
| ashishk | gevaerts: i think we should handle umbrella orgs separately | 21:49 |
| gevaerts | ashishk: as I see it, the entire idea of issue 1306 is to add all these things :) | 21:49 |
| ashishk | gevaerts: yes ,we need to develop different views,templates for them so i think it would take time | 21:51 |
| * olly would think the umbrella org features would just be something the org admin configured | 21:52 | |
| olly | so if you don't add any sub-orgs, you aren't an umbrella org | 21:52 |
| ashishk | olly: for umbrella org,are there different org admin for the sub org or there is single admin for the entire org | 21:58 |
| olly | as far as melange currently knows, just admins for the whole org | 21:59 |
| olly | i've not run a large umbrella, you might want to talk to people who have to find what they'd find useful | 21:59 |
| ashishk | olly: so melange provide slots to the whole org ,there is no role of melange between the org and its sub org right .. | 22:00 |
| olly | not currently | 22:00 |
| olly | i imagine it's quite painful if you've a dozen sub-orgs and 50 slots to deal with | 22:01 |
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| ashishk | olly: further distribution of the slots among the sub orgs are done by the main org | 22:01 |
| olly | well, the org just assigns students to slots - so currently they have to discuss with the sub org mentors how many they'd like and for which students and try to get everything straight in melange to reflect that | 22:02 |
| olly | as an admin, i've only had to deal with at most 6 slots, and no sub-orgs, so I don't really know how the large orgs would like it to work, but I can see it probably isn't great currently | 22:03 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: Hello | 22:14 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: I just visited on google-melange.com and obeserved this thing --> http://goo.gl/hQ6jtK , which I again checked at my localhost. I think this is a defect. What you think? | 22:27 |
| tpb | Title: Defect | Diigo (at goo.gl) | 22:27 |
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| madrazr | gevaerts: you are right | 22:30 |
| gevaerts | \o/ | 22:30 |
| madrazr | gevaerts: we don't do anything special to handle umbrella orgs | 22:30 |
| madrazr | gevaerts: neither do we know :) | 22:30 |
| madrazr | gevaerts: happy dances? :P | 22:30 |
| gevaerts | Yes :) | 22:31 |
| madrazr | ashishk: if we build better tools for umbrella orgs, KDE will send you lots of love | 22:32 |
| madrazr | :D | 22:32 |
| madrazr | *if you build | 22:32 |
| madrazr | and may be even PSF | 22:32 |
| madrazr | and Apache too | 22:32 |
| ashishk | madrazr:there is no feedback page on the melange site .. | 22:34 |
| ashishk | madrazr: also after the completion of the program ,is there any feedback form which is filled by each org,student ,mentor?? | 22:36 |
| madrazr | ashishk: that's what midterm and final evaluations are for | 22:41 |
| madrazr | :) | 22:41 |
| madrazr | ashishk: there is not just one, but two :P | 22:41 |
| ashishk | madrazr: great :-) | 22:43 |
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| madrazr | jasvir: bug bug :) | 23:08 |
| madrazr | jasvir: patch welcome! | 23:08 |
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