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| * Erant slaps SRabbelier | 08:16 | |
| SRabbelier | Erant: wot? | 08:17 |
| Erant | nuthing | 08:17 |
| Erant | Working | 08:17 |
| Erant | Waiting for some huge file to finish copying | 08:17 |
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| ThomasWaldmann | moin :) | 08:46 |
| ThomasWaldmann | i maybe need to reassign our orgs backup admin, but I couldn't find where to do that in melange | 08:47 |
| * ThomasWaldmann would have expected that the org profile lists admin id and backup admin id, but it doesnt | 08:48 | |
| ThomasWaldmann | btw, thanks for melange. for most stuff it works nicely and it even survived the usual lastminute dDOSes yet. | 08:51 |
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| dhaun | ThomasWaldmann: I had a similar problem (our backup admin didn't sign up in time) and was told to simply invite another admin | 09:08 |
| dhaun | apparently, Melange doesn't really have the concept of a "backup admin" - that was just a label on the org application form | 09:08 |
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| ThomasWaldmann | dhaun: ah, ok, I already added another admin, so I guess we are fine. | 09:18 |
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| ThomasWaldmann | so the only question left is if it is a problem to have 3 admins lists (so that I would need to unlist 1 or have that one resign as a admin) | 09:22 |
| ThomasWaldmann | s/lists/listed/ | 09:22 |
| dhaun | I don't think there's a limit to the number of admins - we had 3 last year as well | 09:26 |
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| * Lennie slaps Merio around a bit with a small Imperial-Class Stardestroyer | 09:45 | |
| Lennie | Merio you are king! | 09:45 |
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| diones | SRabbelier: hello | 09:49 |
| SRabbelier | diones: heya | 09:49 |
| ThomasWaldmann | Lennie: you are from the dark side? :) | 09:51 |
| SRabbelier | ThomasWaldmann: dhaun is right, you can have as many org admins as you need | 09:51 |
| Lennie | No my young padawn, I travel at warp 9.975 | 09:51 |
| * ThomasWaldmann just wondered you have small stardestroyers at hand :) | 09:52 | |
| diones | What should I put in my timeline? | 09:52 |
| Lennie | ThomasWaldmann: I'm from The Netherlands, everything is possible here :) | 09:53 |
| Lennie | and it's legal :0 | 09:53 |
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| SRabbelier | diones: when you plan to finish what | 09:54 |
| SRabbelier | diones: so if given a list of delivierables | 09:54 |
| SRabbelier | diones: estimate how long each one will take you | 09:54 |
| SRabbelier | diones: and put that in your timeline | 09:54 |
| * SRabbelier is brb, gotta put a letter to the big G on snail mail | 09:55 | |
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| ThomasWaldmann | Lennie: hehe. | 10:05 |
| Lennie | SRabbelier ^_^ | 10:06 |
| sandy|lurk | SRabbelier: is duplicate acceptance notification implemented this year? that is, once we see "the line", if I have a student over it and so does another org, will I have any indication in melange? | 10:16 |
| Lennie | sandy|lurk, nope you will be notified through other measures | 10:19 |
| sandy|lurk | Lennie: by "you", do you mean "organization admins"? | 10:19 |
| Lennie | the problem is that we had no way (untill very recently) to keep something like that up to date | 10:19 |
| Lennie | yes | 10:19 |
| Lennie | App engine now has cron jobs since 3 days... | 10:20 |
| sandy|lurk | :-) | 10:20 |
| Lennie | but they are still very limited | 10:20 |
| sandy|lurk | I understand | 10:20 |
| sandy|lurk | as long as there is some automated way of knowing this, without having to talk to a million people, I think we'll be fine | 10:20 |
| Lennie | we do plan on having that | 10:20 |
| Lennie | yes | 10:20 |
| sandy|lurk | awesome | 10:21 |
| Lennie | there is an easy way for us to know who are possible duplicates | 10:21 |
| Lennie | in fact | 10:21 |
| Lennie | I tested it today on the GSoC website | 10:21 |
| Lennie | and it worked like a charm :) | 10:21 |
| Lennie | anyhow, wtb long-running threads for App Engine | 10:25 |
| Lennie | then we can keep stuff like that really up-to-date without too much trouble :D | 10:25 |
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| SRabbelier | heya :) | 10:55 |
| SRabbelier | Lennie|Gone: I don't think there will be long-running threads on GAE | 10:57 |
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| Lennie | CampFire One talk hinted at it | 12:03 |
| Lennie | anyhow I'm glad there is atleast some cronjob stuff now :D | 12:03 |
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| madrazr | Lennie: Hi | 12:46 |
| Lennie | hi | 12:51 |
| madrazr | Lennie: why is it wicked? | 12:51 |
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| Lennie | looks cool :p | 12:52 |
| madrazr | Lennie: ha ha what a timing :D | 12:52 |
| Lennie | it works | 12:52 |
| madrazr | Lennie: heh :P | 12:52 |
| madrazr | you scare me a lot | 12:52 |
| madrazr | :D | 12:52 |
| madrazr | Lennie: you aren't still convinced with my explainations for is_editable? | 12:52 |
| madrazr | Lennie: err... The patch which makes proposals editable after deadline if mentors allow it? | 12:53 |
| Lennie | yeah the if statement might be correct | 12:53 |
| Lennie | but still | 12:53 |
| Lennie | students must have the ability to edit their proposal at all time during the signup period | 12:54 |
| madrazr | Lennie: it is no? | 12:54 |
| madrazr | Lennie: is that an issue with naming by any chance? | 12:54 |
| Lennie | hmm | 12:57 |
| Lennie | you know what would be best | 12:57 |
| madrazr | Lennie: I did not get you :( | 12:57 |
| Lennie | <- thinking :p | 12:57 |
| madrazr | Lennie: Ok :) | 12:58 |
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| Lennie | hmm | 13:00 |
| Lennie | call isAfterPeriod :0 | 13:01 |
| madrazr | Lennie: ? | 13:01 |
| Lennie | instead of isAfterEvent | 13:01 |
| madrazr | Lennie: Ok | 13:01 |
| Lennie | you should seperate some stuff from the if statements | 13:02 |
| Lennie | and make an extra error message | 13:02 |
| madrazr | Lennie: Ok | 13:02 |
| Lennie | that states that you can't edit it now but the org can give you the power to | 13:02 |
| madrazr | Lennie: ah cool! | 13:02 |
| Lennie | might make everything more clear | 13:02 |
| madrazr | Lennie: yeah Ok | 13:02 |
| Lennie | also dont forget about the matched deadline | 13:02 |
| madrazr | Lennie: I like this idea | 13:02 |
| madrazr | Lennie: sure | 13:02 |
| madrazr | Lennie: its Ok if I send it on Monday? | 13:03 |
| madrazr | ouch Sunday | 13:03 |
| Lennie | hmm | 13:03 |
| Lennie | map first :)? | 13:03 |
| Lennie | this one can come later | 13:03 |
| madrazr | Lennie: Ok sure | 13:03 |
| madrazr | Lennie: there are some issues with CSS which I am not able to find out | 13:04 |
| Lennie | ok | 13:04 |
| madrazr | Lennie: I am not able to make 2 coloumns using CSS, whenever I attempt to do that feeds and maps overlap over each other | 13:04 |
| Lennie | I'm no CSS king either | 13:04 |
| madrazr | Lennie: heh :) | 13:05 |
| madrazr | who is the CSS king around? | 13:05 |
| madrazr | :P | 13:05 |
| madrazr | we have a JS King I am happy. Merio :D | 13:05 |
| madrazr | I am happy I know that :D | 13:05 |
| Lennie | :) | 13:06 |
| madrazr | brb | 13:07 |
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| madrazr | ouch Lennie left before I came back :( | 14:06 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: I am thinking of hosting my mercurial repo at bitbucket or else where, so I can access it instead of sitting bored if I am not at my place. Is that Ok? Are there any licensing issues or such? | 14:08 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: nope, go ahead | 14:08 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: We're licensed under the Apache License v2 | 14:08 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: you can do pretty much anything you want with the code :) | 14:08 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: Oh Ok | 14:09 |
| madrazr | thats awesome cool! | 14:09 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: thanks | 14:09 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: yup | 14:09 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: yeah :) | 14:09 |
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| warthog9 | stupid question: how does one view which mentors have said 'I'm willing to mentor this student'? | 15:31 |
| dhaun | they're listed at the top of each application | 15:33 |
| warthog9 | dhaun: ahhhh I was expecting a button or something to click to 'confirm' or something, but I see that now (though it would be nice if their linkid was listed there or something to confirm at the bottom) | 15:34 |
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| * rwatson ponders a feature like the following: you know your org is going to lose a certain number of students to collisions with other orgs, so you want two kinds of "backup" projects in the queue behind your main choices: (1) fallbacks for specific projects where you got dup proposals for the same idea and want to pick at most one and (2) a general pool of fallbacks | 17:02 | |
| * dhaun would like that feature | 17:03 | |
| ArthurLiu | rwatson: overengineering :) | 17:03 |
| ArthurLiu | just do it manually | 17:03 |
| ArthurLiu | in practice, everyone will want to tweak stuff manually and be sure it behaves exactly the way it is expected to be | 17:04 |
| ArthurLiu | it's a little like VCR programing :) | 17:04 |
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| lh | rwatson: i like your ideas. did you file feature requests? | 17:07 |
| * lh waves to rwatson | 17:07 | |
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| rwatson | ArthurLiu: not over-engineering in the sense that it would be nice if all the fallbacks/etc didn't require human negotiation, because that's painful. :-) | 17:09 |
| rwatson | lh: hi :-) | 17:09 |
| diones | SRabbelier: Heya fella | 17:09 |
| SRabbelier | diones: Hello again :P | 17:10 |
| * lh adds to quotes for the ages "human negotiation is painful" | 17:10 | |
| * lh hugs SRabbelier | 17:10 | |
| rwatson | heh. ouch. :-) | 17:10 |
| lh | thanks for all your hard work on slot allocations sverre | 17:10 |
| * rwatson goes back to lurking and working on other things | 17:10 | |
| lh | Merio: did you put in a gsoc app for melange? | 17:11 |
| SRabbelier | lh: hey :) | 17:11 |
| SRabbelier | lh: thank you *hugs back* | 17:11 |
| Merio | lh: hi :) yes, a stats module one | 17:12 |
| diones | SRabbelier: I have done a litle timeline | 17:12 |
| SRabbelier | diones: oooh, nice :) | 17:12 |
| diones | SRabbelier: I wish you could have a look | 17:13 |
| SRabbelier | diones: Sure, post it as comment :) | 17:13 |
| lh | Merio: hotness. sounds great. | 17:13 |
| SRabbelier | diones: I'll be notified that you have updated it | 17:13 |
| freebsd-brooks | it seems odd that when you manually rank a proposal, a non-manually ranked proposal can tie with it | 17:14 |
| SRabbelier | freebsd-brooks: there's no way to change that, unless we then manually change all other ranks | 17:16 |
| SRabbelier | freebsd-brooks: so we figured it'd be better to do it this way | 17:16 |
| SRabbelier | freebsd-brooks: then you could +1 or -1 other proposals as needed | 17:16 |
| Merio | lh: I hope ^__^ Did you read it? | 17:16 |
| SRabbelier | diones: got it | 17:17 |
| diones | ok | 17:18 |
| freebsd-brooks | SRabbelier: makes sense for ranks other than 1, would it make sense to bump #1 proposals by one more point? | 17:18 |
| SRabbelier | freebsd-brooks: we could do that, sure *nods* | 17:18 |
| SRabbelier | diones: mhhh, are you aware that we already use pylint? | 17:18 |
| dwendt | hey SRabbelier | 17:18 |
| SRabbelier | dwendt: heya! | 17:18 |
| diones | Yes | 17:18 |
| dwendt | what's up with melange | 17:18 |
| diones | but you use it as a shell script | 17:19 |
| SRabbelier | diones: rigth, what do you intend to do then? | 17:19 |
| diones | that won't do in a windows system | 17:19 |
| SRabbelier | dwendt: slot allocations and duplicate detection working :) | 17:19 |
| dwendt | oh good, that's important | 17:19 |
| SRabbelier | diones: like that, what do you intend to do to make it work on windows? | 17:19 |
| freebsd-brooks | SRabbelier: thanks | 17:19 |
| SRabbelier | **ah, like that | 17:19 |
| SRabbelier | freebsd-brooks: please create a http://tinyurl.com/new-issue for that | 17:20 |
| tpb | Title: Project hosting on Google Code (at tinyurl.com) | 17:20 |
| diones | pydev have a good support for pylint | 17:20 |
| diones | but there is a bug | 17:20 |
| SRabbelier | diones: oh? | 17:21 |
| diones | possible bug | 17:21 |
| SRabbelier | diones: in pylint or in pydev? | 17:21 |
| diones | when using pydev+app engine+ pylint; pylint won't find app engine modules. | 17:22 |
| lh | Merio: no, but i can if you would like | 17:22 |
| diones | I have a feeling that is pydev since I was able to test pylint without pydev and worked flawlessy on our code | 17:22 |
| SRabbelier | diones: mhhh, did you add GAE to yoru pythonpath? | 17:23 |
| diones | yes, all of them | 17:23 |
| diones | yes, project pythonpath, pydev pythonpath, pylint pythonpath | 17:23 |
| SRabbelier | diones: I just think it's a tad long to be working on that, no? | 17:23 |
| diones | oops | 17:24 |
| diones | windows pythonpath | 17:24 |
| Merio | lh: it'd be awesome, btw it's up to you :) | 17:24 |
| lh | Merio: i will take a look provided the melange mentors are ok with it, i have not signed up to mentor for melange | 17:25 |
| diones | Possibly, but I marked pydev stuff as optional in my project proposal | 17:26 |
| diones | SRabbelier: So whether I can or not complete it, after the first 2 weeks I'll move on to smoke tests | 17:27 |
| SRabbelier | diones: also, your timeline is too long I think | 17:28 |
| SRabbelier | diones: 17/08 is the firm pencils down date | 17:28 |
| Merio | lh: ok, hope they're agree with it | 17:29 |
| SRabbelier | Merio: we do :) | 17:30 |
| diones | SRabbelier: If I kill 4 weeks of pylint I might do it 10 days before the end of GSoC | 17:31 |
| Merio | SRabbelier: heya :) | 17:31 |
| SRabbelier | diones: I feel you should be doing the pylint stuff during the community bonding period | 17:32 |
| SRabbelier | diones: as it's related to getting your setup working | 17:32 |
| SRabbelier | diones: rather than coding on melange | 17:32 |
| SRabbelier | Merio: hey :) | 17:32 |
| Erant | SRabbelier: OHAI | 17:34 |
| * lh heads out for the afternoon to run errands | 17:34 | |
| SRabbelier | Erant: haaaai ^_^ | 17:35 |
| SRabbelier | lh: one errant, two errands? | 17:35 |
| Erant | O_o | 17:35 |
| Erant | SRabbelier: Codin'? | 17:35 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: yush | 17:35 |
| Erant | This is the first time in ages I can just sit down and code an entire evening | 17:36 |
| lh | erant = on a journey | 17:36 |
| lh | :) | 17:36 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: amazing :P | 17:36 |
| SRabbelier | lh: that's what the name means? | 17:36 |
| Erant | Never heard of, tbh. | 17:37 |
| lh | SRabbelier: yes. | 17:37 |
| lh | knight errant? | 17:37 |
| SRabbelier | lh: cool | 17:37 |
| lh | sigh | 17:37 |
| * lh leaves the 12th century for a few minutes | 17:37 | |
| Erant | SRabbelier: Pretty much, yeah. Feels good. :P Knocking out some good C code, doing evil linkerscript magix. | 17:38 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: for shame :P | 17:38 |
| Erant | Linkerscript magix ftw. | 17:38 |
| Erant | "Welcome to Crappy BootLoader (CBL) v0.01 (build 20)" | 17:39 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: lolol | 17:39 |
| Erant | Build number's just so I can see whether I actually uploaded the most recent build. | 17:39 |
| Erant | I made that mistake one too many times | 17:40 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: noice | 17:40 |
| Erant | So now I need to dive into my ARM manual again... Unless someone here knows how to flush the DCache and invalidate the ICache on an ARM9? | 17:40 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: yup, I do | 17:41 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: step 1. get hammers | 17:41 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: 2. swing | 17:41 |
| Erant | EEK! | 17:41 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: 3. profit | 17:41 |
| Erant | :P | 17:41 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: works, guaranteed! | 17:41 |
| Erant | Well | 17:42 |
| Erant | It's deffo going to invalidate the ICache | 17:42 |
| Erant | Not too sure about flushing the DCache | 17:42 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: it'll be empty for sure | 17:42 |
| Erant | It's probably going to invalidate a whole bunch of things. | 17:42 |
| Erant | True enough | 17:42 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: :D | 17:42 |
| diones | Where is that nice calendar of GSoC? | 17:43 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: I'm actually working on the Melange release script atm | 17:43 |
| Erant | w0t's it do? | 17:43 |
| SRabbelier | diones: I'll mail it to you | 17:44 |
| Erant | Besides sitting there, being pwetty | 17:44 |
| SRabbelier | diones: pm me your email | 17:44 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: it do releases | 17:44 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: simple enough, no? | 17:44 |
| Erant | release.do() | 17:45 |
| Erant | Sweet. | 17:45 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: indeed | 17:45 |
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| diones | SRabbelier: I hate working with dates | 17:52 |
| SRabbelier | diones: weeks is good enough | 17:52 |
| SRabbelier | diones: that's what I did for my GSoC | 17:52 |
| SRabbelier | diones: you can also do your timeline as GSoC calendar | 17:52 |
| SRabbelier | diones: err, Google Calendar ofc. | 17:52 |
| SRabbelier | diones: and then share that with us in a comment | 17:52 |
| diones | SRabbelier: So I have actually 11 weeks to code | 17:57 |
| SRabbelier | diones: yes, how come you didn't know this? | 17:57 |
| SRabbelier | diones: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline | 17:58 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/33v3> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 17:58 |
| diones | SRabbelier: I'm a bit slow on math | 17:58 |
| SRabbelier | lol | 17:58 |
| diones | SRabbelier: And bat with dates also | 17:58 |
| SRabbelier | diones: smooth :P | 17:58 |
| Erant | diones: Bad way to get girls. They generally don't like you batting them. | 18:06 |
| diones | Erant: lol | 18:06 |
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| lresende | any tips on how to import the exprted csv file into google docs ? | 18:15 |
| SRabbelier | lresende: hmmm... put them in excel/oocalc and then import that? | 18:22 |
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| diones | SRabbelier: btw, why Program announced. Life is good. | 18:35 |
| diones | In gsoc timeline | 18:35 |
| SRabbelier | diones: uhm, cos it's true? :d | 18:35 |
| diones | SRabbelier: Just that? | 18:36 |
| SRabbelier | diones: yup | 18:36 |
| diones | =? | 18:37 |
| SRabbelier | diones: timeline has to start _somewhere_ :P | 18:39 |
| diones | So you guys just felt the first line was too short | 18:41 |
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| homunq | I'm getting "500 server error" for about 2 minutes now. | 20:26 |
| homunq | Oh well. I'll come back later. Just letting y'all know. | 20:27 |
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| diones | Me too | 20:32 |
| diones | Its back now | 20:32 |
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