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| Iwanowitch | Meh, I'm not going to think too much about it now anymore, I can barely keep my eyes open... I'll be getting back at you one of the next days. | 00:12 |
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| Iwanowitch | Though, nash, it's not very practical that you live on the opposite side of the world. | 00:12 |
| nash | Iwanowitch: Well most of the TP people are down here... | 00:13 |
| Iwanowitch | Well, the hard way works too :) | 00:14 |
| nash | What - you are moving down here? | 00:15 |
| Iwanowitch | Hmm, no, not that hard. | 00:16 |
| Iwanowitch | I was thinking about staying awake late and waking up early - that's hard enough :P | 00:16 |
| nash | heh | 00:17 |
| nash | There is enough overlap time | 00:17 |
| nash | Just go to bed earlier, and talk your morning, our evening | 00:17 |
| Iwanowitch | Yep, should be possible. | 00:18 |
| Iwanowitch | Anyway, I'm off now, I have classes to attend tomorrow and I'd better be awake. :) | 00:19 |
| nash | Yep | 00:20 |
| nash | sleep well | 00:20 |
| Iwanowitch | See you. | 00:20 |
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| nash | heyo mithro | 01:35 |
| mithro | morning nash | 01:36 |
| nash | Looked AI-wards yet? | 01:37 |
| mithro | not really | 01:38 |
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| mithro | no time yet | 01:54 |
| * brlcad notes he and mithro should probably discuss a couple competiting proposals at some point | 01:59 | |
| brlcad | (not now, but soon) ;) | 01:59 |
| mithro | competing proposals? | 01:59 |
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| nash | this sound interesting... | 02:02 |
| nash | Two proposals enter... one proposal leaves... | 02:03 |
| * mithro is a bit confused | 02:04 | |
| mithro | which I know happens quite a lot ;) | 02:04 |
| * nash wonders if brlcad was here just to confuse you | 02:08 | |
| brlcad | mithro: odd, you should see the same notifications of conflict | 02:08 |
| brlcad | you have several applications with mentor's assigned (presumably implying high interest on your behalf) | 02:09 |
| mithro | brlcad: checking now | 02:09 |
| mithro | we didn't have any a day ago | 02:09 |
| nash | brlcad: Where do they appear? | 02:09 |
| brlcad | mithro: i've only marked one so far (a couple days ago) | 02:09 |
| brlcad | nash: in big red bold letters on their application | 02:09 |
| brlcad | i suppose now is a good a time as any to go over at least one of them | 02:10 |
| mithro | brlcad: not on the overview page? | 02:10 |
| brlcad | nope | 02:10 |
| brlcad | you have to visit the individual | 02:10 |
| mithro | ahh huh! | 02:11 |
| nash | irritating (lack of interface) | 02:11 |
| brlcad | there's at least one other I haven't marked yet since I wanted to contact you guys first | 02:11 |
| brlcad | but the other, Kornel's in particular is one worth discussing | 02:12 |
| mithro | brlcad: you have pmsg's | 02:12 |
| nash | mithro: Can you message brlcad the location of the bat cave? | 02:12 |
| mithro | nash: already done :P | 02:12 |
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| nash | Epyon: You there? | 02:56 |
| brlcad | is there a specific os x maintainer for tp? | 03:07 |
| brlcad | wow, huge binary | 03:08 |
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| mithro | brlcad: blame mac, windows it's only 7mb and linux it's under 1mb! | 03:19 |
| brlcad | something is wrong with the application bundle too | 03:20 |
| brlcad | doesn't run if it's installed | 03:21 |
| brlcad | runs from the dmg, though .. probably some embedded path issue | 03:21 |
| mithro | lousy fat binaries | 03:22 |
| brlcad | actually, it's showing about 100MB are in the Resources, not the binaries or even the unstripped (30MB) frameworks/dylibs | 03:22 |
| brlcad | ahh, ./Contents/Resources/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload is the predominant culprit | 03:26 |
| brlcad | unstripped universal binaries | 03:26 |
| mithro | we could use a mac packager :P | 03:26 |
| * brlcad sees that :) | 03:27 | |
| * brlcad would have wanted to steal the rtfs splash screen ship :) | 03:27 | |
| brlcad | at least for the dmg or something | 03:27 |
| * brlcad tries to find an original on-line somewhere | 03:28 | |
| mithro | I borrowed my sisters PPC G4 to do the packaging | 03:29 |
| brlcad | woot, http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/thumbnail/993409009-00.jpg | 03:30 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/MMe> (at www.mobygames.com) | 03:30 |
| brlcad | not quite as good as the vga one :) http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/the_fairway/game_pages/game_boxes_large/reach_for_the_stars.jpg | 03:30 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/MMg> (at www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za) | 03:30 |
| brlcad | there we go... http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/original/993409009-00.gif | 03:31 |
| jotham | holy that spaceship is sexy | 03:31 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/MMi> (at www.mobygames.com) | 03:31 |
| brlcad | sorry for the spammage, I get a little excited | 03:31 |
| brlcad | that ship sucked me into sci fi at a rather young age, reading books, drawing/art pics, programming, ... | 03:32 |
| mithro | brlcad: did you get a background in the DMG? | 03:33 |
| brlcad | mithro: yes, looked good | 03:33 |
| jotham | organic ships are so sexy | 03:33 |
| jotham | the ships in eve are cool (online space mmo) | 03:33 |
| jotham | i approve of the design | 03:33 |
| mithro | brlcad: I do notice that the box specifically labeled "Not copy protected" | 03:33 |
| brlcad | heh, that it does, though that phrase meant something rather different back then | 03:35 |
| jotham | heh | 03:35 |
| mithro | brlcad: I wonder what it ment? | 03:35 |
| brlcad | it means the floppies didn't have some stupid form of copy protection on them | 03:35 |
| brlcad | that used to be a buying consideration.. could you make copies of the floppies (to give to your friends, to make a backup, etc) | 03:36 |
| nash | it means you could use the disk more then 50% of the time | 03:36 |
| mithro | s/floppies/cd or dvd/ and you get the same meaning now right? | 03:36 |
| nash | yeah | 03:36 |
| brlcad | depends what meaning you gathered, but yeah | 03:37 |
| brlcad | it doesn't mean no copyright protection | 03:37 |
| nash | yeah | 03:37 |
| brlcad | just you're not drm-ish prevented | 03:37 |
| brlcad | though the "drm" back then was pretty weak too, usually a quick hex editing and you could get past most disks | 03:37 |
| brlcad | cept for the rare few that actually burnt bad sectors onto their disks and would check for them | 03:38 |
| nash | As opposed to today ssophisticated techniques where the burn bad sectors into the CD and hope your player doesn't check for them | 03:39 |
| brlcad | :) | 03:39 |
| brlcad | I've only seen one app/disk so far where I couldn't perform a raw disk copy, that being apple's final cut pro flagship | 03:41 |
| brlcad | but that was a case where the seat license is multiple k and they had complete knowledge of their hardware extents | 03:41 |
| mithro | i think todays sophisticated techniques are to install a root-kit on your computer and then do other bad stuff :P | 03:42 |
| brlcad | most just do license server or hardware dongles now for the pricier items | 03:42 |
| nash | mithro: You mean threaten your ISP, then call a lawyer... | 03:42 |
| mithro | brlcad: I havn't seen a hardware dongle in years | 03:43 |
| brlcad | mithro: ahh, I see them all the time with various CAD/CAM vendors | 03:43 |
| brlcad | usually stuff that presses a 10k+ per-seat license | 03:43 |
| brlcad | and it's usually optional, with there being a floating license server option available too (at a higher price) | 03:44 |
| nash | Can't say I've seen one... but I think every single piece of software on this computer (except stars!) is open source.. and I work with embedded devices | 03:44 |
| nash | So I'm not the best example ;-) | 03:45 |
| brlcad | yeah, different market | 03:45 |
| brlcad | my guess would be it's probably limited to computing for "industrial" purposes in general, not even just general commercial | 03:45 |
| nash | brlcad: Yes ;-) | 03:46 |
| * brlcad spanks someone for naming a Mac gui binary "tpclient-pywx" | 03:46 | |
| mithro | i've mainly seen floating license stuff | 03:47 |
| brlcad | hm, and I don't quite see why the .app doesn't like your icon declaration .. shows up generic even though at a glance the Info.plist "seems" okay | 03:48 |
| nash | Is the image format acceptable? | 03:49 |
| brlcad | image format? | 03:49 |
| brlcad | oh, the .icns? that part opens just fine | 03:50 |
| nash | okay | 03:52 |
| * nash is just guessing - he knows bugger all about mac at that layer | 03:52 | |
| brlcad | yeah, it's a bit bizarre .. I am pretty familiar with it, but I don't even see what's wrong .. would have to build up the .app myself to debug it | 03:55 |
| brlcad | and apparently the system python framework is too old? i see python seems to be fully embedded in the binary | 03:56 |
| brlcad | (not critiqueing at all fwiw .. I know it's a work in progres, need more devs, etc.. good stuff) ;) | 03:56 |
| nash | brlcad: There is no full time mac developer | 03:59 |
| nash | So that is part of the problem | 03:59 |
| * brlcad nods | 03:59 | |
| nash | If you know anyone who may be interested, point them our way | 03:59 |
| brlcad | will do! | 03:59 |
| nash | You owe us 2 developers now after all ;-) | 03:59 |
| brlcad | hehe | 03:59 |
| brlcad | providing a mac client that "just worked" and worked well was one of the specific feature/changes that expanded bz's visibility by a noticeable amount (about 4 years ago now) | 04:01 |
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| nash | brlcad: To be frank TP needs a bit of 'just work' magic on all platforms | 04:06 |
| mithro | brlcad: it's quite hard, because I'm the only real developer on tpclient-pywx and I don't even have perminate access to a mac | 04:07 |
| * brlcad nods | 04:09 | |
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| nash | heyo fizzleboink | 04:16 |
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| * nash pokes Epyon again... | 05:35 | |
| * jotham pokes Epyon with an additional poker | 05:48 | |
| nash | The bastard is probably sleeping or some such excuse | 05:52 |
| nash | Like the other day when he claimed he was going to 'eat' | 05:52 |
| nash | whatever that is... | 05:52 |
| jotham | transformation of food into energy is such a myth | 05:53 |
| jotham | damn conspiracy theorists | 05:53 |
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| dmpayton | "eat"? what is this you speak of? Does it have to do with that "food" stuff? | 06:11 |
| jotham | i just had 3 beers | 06:11 |
| jotham | i'm repleat | 06:11 |
| dmpayton | Mmmm, beer. | 06:12 |
| dmpayton | I could use a beer or six. Packing is hard work. | 06:13 |
| nash | that's for sure | 06:13 |
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| nash | Oh well - I'm off. | 06:44 |
| nash | Talk to all tomorrow | 06:44 |
| mithro | arg, it's been one of those days | 06:44 |
| nash | ? | 06:45 |
| * mithro heads off | 06:45 | |
| nash | Why? | 06:45 |
| nash | oka | 06:45 |
| nash | bye | 06:45 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Hello to all. Can someone please outline the process to get the client from darcs working? | 07:00 |
| Ford_Prefect | I get a missing tp.netlib and tp.client and there is no tp/ subdirectory | 07:00 |
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| CIA-17 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * documents/protocol/protocol.xml : Added Create Account to protocol xml | 10:22 |
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| Epyon | Mornin' all ;) | 10:33 |
| dmpayton | Mornin' | 10:34 |
| llnz | hi Epyon, dmpayton | 10:37 |
| dmpayton | How's it going, llnz? | 10:38 |
| llnz | not too bad, you? | 10:38 |
| dmpayton | Not bad | 10:38 |
| dmpayton | Thinkin' about going to bed | 10:38 |
| dmpayton | though I should continue packing | 10:38 |
| dmpayton | Got my books packed, got my gaming systems packed... next is movies and misc... clothes are last. | 10:43 |
| dmpayton | I hate moving. | 10:43 |
| llnz | yeah, moving isn't the best fun (but unpacking is cool) | 10:43 |
| dmpayton | Packing the books has been good, though | 10:44 |
| dmpayton | forces me to actually look at what books I have and remind me of what I still need to read | 10:44 |
| dmpayton | My books are probably 50% tech/programming, 45% Tolkien, and 5% misc. | 10:45 |
| dmpayton | and I still have maybe 1/3rd of all of them to read | 10:45 |
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| dmpayton | Fly away, pigeon! To a better place you should go! | 11:00 |
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| mithro | howdy people | 12:05 |
| Epyon | yo :) | 12:07 |
| CIA-17 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * documents/ (54 files in 4 dirs): Added the last tp03 frame types | 12:09 |
| CIA-17 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * documents/protocol/protocol.xml : Added missing feature id for account creation | 12:11 |
| llnz | that covers all of tp03 | 12:13 |
| llnz | i think | 12:14 |
| mithro | howdy | 12:16 |
| llnz | hi mithro | 12:17 |
| mithro | sup? | 12:17 |
| llnz | finished the protocol.xml for tp03, i think | 12:17 |
| mithro | okay | 12:23 |
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| llnz | i guess tomrrow i will start making protocol.xml for tp04 | 12:31 |
| llnz | mithro: do you want me to save the current (tp03) version of protocol.xml? | 12:43 |
| mithro | guess so | 12:44 |
| llnz | move protocol.xml to protocol3.xml, and then copy it to protocol.xml | 12:44 |
| llnz | gives protocol3.xml history | 12:45 |
| * llnz ponders | 12:52 | |
| * llnz just does it, since mithro hasn't said anything | 12:54 | |
| mithro | sure | 12:54 |
| CIA-17 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * documents/protocol/ (protocol.xml protocol3.xml): Move protocol.xml to protocol3.xml to save the snapshot | 12:57 |
| CIA-17 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * documents/ (27 files in 7 dirs): Copied protocol3.xml to protocol.xml for tp04 work | 12:57 |
| llnz | :-) | 12:57 |
| llnz | i'll start on tp04 tomorrow (later today) | 13:01 |
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| llnz | later all | 13:01 |
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| brlcad | interesting xml docs -- what are they processed with for the website? | 13:35 |
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| brlcad | yeesh, both nash and mithro sign off.. boo hiss | 15:25 |
| Epyon | :/ | 15:37 |
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