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| andy_h | Hi, I'm listed as a mentor at the Python Software Foundation for pyKata. I need to be officially registered with GSoC. The link for signing up to mentor just sends be to the Python.org site. How do I ask to be a Mentor officially? | 00:40 |
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| borja | Hi all | 02:49 |
| borja | There's a student who is spamming us with the same proposal over and over, only changing the title of the proposal | 02:49 |
| borja | Is there any way of blocking or banning the student? | 02:49 |
| MatthewWilkes | borja: No. You can submit a feature request to Melange, or even a patch | 02:57 |
| MatthewWilkes | You could also mail the mentor list so other people will know he's being a dick and not to accept him | 02:58 |
| borja | MatthewWilkes: yeah, I was considering that too | 02:58 |
| borja | MatthewWilkes: Althuogh I seem to remember there's been flamewars in the past because someone called out a student on the mentor list, and some people thought it was a terrible thing to do | 02:59 |
| MatthewWilkes | borja: I dunno about others, but I'd like to know if a promising student was actually a liability | 03:00 |
| * borja nods | 03:00 | |
| MatthewWilkes | Now, the ability to block students from submitting to an org with a note that then shows up to them and other orgs they apply to, that'd rock | 03:00 |
| borja | yeah, I'll definitely be submitting a feature request | 03:02 |
| borja | maybe just a simple mechanism to "flag" students | 03:02 |
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| borja | so orgs know that other orgs have had trouble dealing with that student during the application period | 03:03 |
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| paddyforan | Hey, is anyone interested in the Social Integration project? | 03:28 |
| paddyforan | I have some mockups and a PRD, if anyone would like to discuss it. | 03:29 |
| MatthewWilkes | paddyforan: I don't think there are any melange core devs online atm, most of them are based in the EU and it's the middle of the night for them | 03:30 |
| paddyforan | MatthewWilkes: Thanks for the info. :) Still, if anyone is interested in exchanging ideas, I'd be happy to talk. I've just had mine bouncing around my head, and I figure I may as well talk to some other people about it. :) | 03:32 |
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| Azad | hi..everyone.. | 09:37 |
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| andreaa | in the proposal "guideline" there is: You should also plan to provide an abstract of your proposal, including a brief list of deliverables | 12:20 |
| andreaa | what does it mean derivable in that context? | 12:21 |
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| andreaa | SRabbelier or durin42, any hint? | 12:47 |
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| grosser | Hi guys. | 13:00 |
| grosser | I think I need some help with the summer of code webapplication. | 13:00 |
| andreaa | hi | 13:00 |
| grosser | Is there someone who could help me a little. | 13:00 |
| grosser | There is a student who applied for our project (gcc). | 13:01 |
| grosser | Here is his application: | 13:01 |
| grosser | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/private/google/gsoc2010/simbuerg/t127080289315 | 13:01 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/5f5_> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 13:01 |
| grosser | However I am not able to see it from the mentor view. | 13:01 |
| grosser | There is just one that he marked as withdrewn. This one is in the invalid section. | 13:02 |
| grosser | Howeer the other one he said was normally submitted | 13:02 |
| andreaa | grosser: it seems there are no mentors online here, did you try to ask on #gsoc? | 13:02 |
| grosser | I will try. Thanks a lot. | 13:03 |
| grosser | ;-) | 13:03 |
| andreaa | you welcome | 13:04 |
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| grosser | So just to report back. I did not realize there are several proposals. So I found mine on the second page | 13:14 |
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| paddyforan | hey, is anyone interested in chatting about Social Integration? | 15:39 |
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| neo7__ | andreaa, It deals with What you will be delivering during the SoC timeline. | 15:51 |
| andreaa | thanks neo7__ | 15:51 |
| neo7__ | andreaa, most welcome | 15:51 |
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| paddyforan | andreaa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliverable | 15:53 |
| tpb | Title: Deliverable - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) | 15:53 |
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| paddyforan | Just for some more information :) | 15:53 |
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| andreaa | Merio: do you have a minute? | 16:10 |
| Merio | andreaa: yep | 16:12 |
| Merio | paddyforan: what do you need? | 16:12 |
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| paddyforan | Merio: I was just looking to chat someone up about Social Integration, see if what I was thinking about was practical and in line with the project goals, and see if they had any ideas | 16:18 |
| Merio | paddyforan: yep you can tell me if you want | 16:20 |
| paddyforan | Merio: thanks :) | 16:24 |
| paddyforan | basically, I envisioned a four part improvement | 16:24 |
| paddyforan | the first part consists of a profile page for each user. Part two is a way to search users. Part three includes calendar integration with Google Calendar. And part four includes social integration, tying current and new events/pages to APIs for other software. | 16:26 |
| paddyforan | I have a PRD with mockups, if you'd like to view that, or I can just explain it. Whatever's most convenient. :) | 16:26 |
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| Merio | paddyforan: well you should send it to us through socghop | 16:30 |
| Merio | paddyforan: also before deadline which is in 2 hours and a half :) | 16:31 |
| paddyforan | Merio: I have :) I'm just trying to make sure there's nothing I need to touchup in the next 2 1/2 hours :) | 16:35 |
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| Merio | paddyforan: what's your first name (if you want you can tell in private message) | 16:39 |
| Merio | paddyforan: so I can find it :) | 16:39 |
| paddyforan | Merio: My name is Sean Foran. :) | 16:41 |
| paddyforan | Merio: I'm not THAT embarrassed of it | 16:42 |
| Merio | paddyforan: just for privacy :) | 16:42 |
| Merio | paddyforan: yep so I've read a former revision | 16:46 |
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| paddyforan | Merio: Yeah, I was a bit confused, I think, in exactly what the proposal needed | 16:48 |
| Merio | paddyforan: have you already inspected some Melange's code? | 16:49 |
| neo7__ | Merio, nice question :P just a few hours remaining. | 16:50 |
| Merio | paddyforan: need to go away for some time, bbs: however, please let me know if you want some chatting now or you prefer some public comments | 16:50 |
| paddyforan | Merio: Not at this point :( I have mainly read the documentation supporting it, along with the code style document. | 16:51 |
| paddyforan | Merio: Really, whichever is faster. :) I'd like to submit the strongest proposal I can. :) | 16:51 |
| Merio | paddyforan: just a quick note, as a general advice (unfortunately I'll be busy for the next half an hour): if you plan some integration I would suggest to provide links to what you plan to integrate | 17:02 |
| paddyforan | Merio: Thanks for the note. :) I'll update my PRD with that. | 17:03 |
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| paddyforan | Merio: I've gone ahead and linked them. Thanks for your feedback: I really appreciate it :) | 17:21 |
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| Merio | paddyforan: yw :) | 17:53 |
| paddyforan | Merio: If I may, I'd like to ask you a question you may or may not be able to answer, about the application process | 17:54 |
| Merio | paddyforan: yep, tell me | 17:55 |
| paddyforan | Merio: Am I as entirely out of my depth and/or mind as I feel, applying for this? | 17:56 |
| Merio | paddyforan: what do you mean? :) | 17:57 |
| paddyforan | Merio: I feel like I'm making a lot of stupid mistakes XD | 17:57 |
| Merio | paddyforan: hmm I can't get you to be fair :) | 18:01 |
| paddyforan | Merio: I dunno. I'm just not harbouring a huge amount of hope for working with Melange this summer. I feel like I've not put my best foot forward in my application, up until now. | 18:02 |
| Merio | paddyforan: if a student is or not accepted depends on many factors. Even if you don't get accepted if you feel it could be an experience nothing prevents you to "work with Melange". It's open source, so you can contribute anyway, it's just that you don't get paid by Google for it. | 18:08 |
| paddyforan | Merio: Yeah, it's just harder to justify the time spent to my keepers, and would have to fit it in around a different full time summer job. Which would be more difficult to do. But I'm hopeful. I really want to get more involved in Open Source, I just need the time to do so... | 18:11 |
| Merio | paddyforan: I understand your point, there could be many things to say, a good discussion indeed :) | 18:13 |
| Merio | paddyforan: Now I really have to go away, will be back in one/two hours, see you around :) | 18:13 |
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| Merio | paddyforan: back now, I needed to come back home from work :) | 19:43 |
| Merio | *had | 19:43 |
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| kusum | Hello All | 19:49 |
| kusum | Could somebody here help me with a problem here | 19:49 |
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| neo7__ | kusum, what is it? | 19:50 |
| kusum | my application proposal appears both in List of student proposals as well as list of ineligible/withdrawn proposals | 19:50 |
| kusum | will the organisation be able to see my proposal ? | 19:50 |
| Merio | kusum: are you sure it's the same proposal? | 19:51 |
| kusum | meaning ? | 19:51 |
| neo7__ | kusum, yes they will be, organization is able to see the proposals as far as it is in the list. | 19:51 |
| neo7__ | kusum, you might have created two proposals, Thats what Merio is trying to say | 19:52 |
| kusum | could you explain why it is appearing in the ineligible/withdrawn list also ? | 19:52 |
| kusum | ohh | 19:52 |
| Merio | kusum: probably you sent a weak proposal before which was classified as ineligible, and then you sent another one with some corrections, isn't it? | 19:53 |
| neo7__ | because you withdrew the proposal and then resubmitted it, and you are now confused whether it is still there or not. | 19:53 |
| kusum | i did not withdraw | 19:53 |
| kusum | Merio: not the case | 19:54 |
| neo7__ | It won't happen by magic. | 19:54 |
| Merio | kusum: did you submit only once? | 19:54 |
| kusum | i believe so | 19:54 |
| kusum | i do remember submitting only once | 19:54 |
| neo7__ | No worries, I have tested it, as far as it is in the student proposal list, it is viewable to the org | 19:54 |
| kusum | is there anything i can do just to be safe | 19:55 |
| neo7__ | ask the mentors if they are able to view your application. | 19:55 |
| Merio | kusum: you can ask to the melange list | 19:55 |
| Merio | kusum: or ask the organization | 19:55 |
| Merio | kusum: yep, just as neo7__ said | 19:55 |
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| kusum | I have sent a mail stating my problem to the org | 19:56 |
| kusum | do i send one to Leslie Hawthorn also ? | 19:56 |
| neo7__ | kusum, you don't need to. | 19:56 |
| kusum | ok | 19:56 |
| neo7__ | kusum, try reaching the authorities in steps. | 19:57 |
| kusum | ok | 19:57 |
| Merio | kusum: no, also because Leslie Hawthorn is no longer in GOSPO team, there is Carol Smith now | 19:57 |
| kusum | first i contact the mentoring organisation and mentors first ? | 19:57 |
| Merio | kusum: yes ask your organization, it's the better thing to do, also to know why a proposal of yours has been marked as ineligible (I guess because it was a duplicate?) | 19:58 |
| neo7__ | kusum, yes that would be a preferable choice if I had been at your place. | 19:58 |
| kusum | Merio: neo7__ Thanks a ton | 19:59 |
| kusum | I hope it's a valid submission | 19:59 |
| kusum | i really worked hard for it | 19:59 |
| * neo7__ wonders how to reproduce that problem, for testing. | 19:59 | |
| Merio | neo7__ if we don't know the exact steps I think it's almost impossible :) | 20:00 |
| kusum | i might have submitted the same application twice | 20:00 |
| neo7__ | Merio, yes i was thinking about that, because I tested that on my instance of melange and it worked fine, there was no problem in withdrawing and submitting the proposal | 20:01 |
| kusum | but the time stamp is abt 2 hours difference | 20:01 |
| kusum | could not have been possible ? | 20:01 |
| Merio | kusum: can you remember if you did something? | 20:01 |
| neo7__ | kusum, If you submit two applications they won't get withdrawn. | 20:01 |
| kusum | i am 100% sure i did not withdraw | 20:02 |
| neo7__ | Can you reproduce the same problem again? | 20:02 |
| kusum | ?? | 20:02 |
| kusum | One of the mentors posted a comment to the proposal | 20:02 |
| neo7__ | kusum, on the demo. Merio, is the Demo accpepting the proposals? | 20:03 |
| kusum | now does that mean they can see my proposal | 20:03 |
| neo7__ | kusum, that does mean that. | 20:03 |
| kusum | ok | 20:03 |
| Merio | kusum: I mean something like leaving the page opened, resubmit it again.. or for example the first time seemed not to work so you submit another time without being aware that your proposals was instead already submitted | 20:03 |
| kusum | i think that happened | 20:03 |
| kusum | the 2nd case | 20:04 |
| Merio | neo7__: I think not, don't know its state but we ran a complete mini-GSoC for testing | 20:04 |
| kusum | my net was slow this morning | 20:04 |
| neo7__ | kusum, contact the mentors, I don't feel that there is much of a problem when you already received a comment from a mentor. Merio if its accepting the test proposals till now then please provide the link. | 20:09 |
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| Merio | neo7: I think not, it should be set at the final stage of timeline | 20:28 |
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| paddyforan | Merio: just returned. OK, woke up. But still. Thanks for all your help and advice earlier. I appreciate it. :) | 20:37 |
| Merio | paddyforan: that's fine :) | 20:38 |
| Merio | yw | 20:38 |
| paddyforan | Merio: Is there something I should do in the next three weeks, or just cross my fingers and hope? | 20:39 |
| Merio | paddyforan: just be checking your email and/or notifications on socghop for public comments, if any, in the next week. After slot assignment... well, just cross fingers :) | 20:42 |
| paddyforan | Merio: Slot assignment? | 20:42 |
| neo7 | Merio, yes thats fine, I hope that the problem of kusum is solved by now, | 20:44 |
| neo7 | paddyforan, Every organization in GSoC is given some slots, depending upon the number of projects that they are going to take. | 20:44 |
| Merio | paddyforan: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/timeline | 20:44 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/5cDf> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 20:44 |
| neo7 | Averagely its 4-5 per org | 20:45 |
| Merio | paddyforan: on April 21 (well, some time before) Google assign slots for each org | 20:45 |
| Merio | Actually it depends on how many projects proposals an org has received and some other "human" considerations | 20:45 |
| paddyforan | Merio & neo7: thanks for the info ^_^ I'll keep an eye on my notifications (I have been since SRabbelier first reviewed my proposal) | 20:47 |
| Merio | paddyforan: yep, I know that ;) | 20:49 |
| paddyforan | Merio: Wow, Big Brother? o.o | 20:50 |
| Merio | paddyforan: no, just another Melange possible mentor :) | 20:50 |
| Merio | paddyforan: as I'm one of Melange mentors obviously I'm able to see all the proposals | 20:51 |
| paddyforan | Merio: As in, you're a possible mentor, or you heard from another possible mentor? | 20:51 |
| paddyforan | Merio: But how does seeing all the proposals make it obvious I'm watching my notifications like I expect them to turn into a bunny if I look away? :P | 20:53 |
| Merio | paddyforan: can't get you | 20:54 |
| paddyforan | Merio: I said I've been watching my notifications obsessively, and you said you knew. How does the ability to see my proposal help you know that? | 20:55 |
| Merio | paddyforan: no, it's not like that: I know about public comments/replies :) | 20:57 |
| paddyforan | Merio: Ah, ok. I was a little concerned there. :) | 20:58 |
| Merio | paddyforan: misunderstandings happen :) | 21:00 |
| paddyforan | Merio: With alarming frequency. o.o Someone mentioned last night that you're all from Europe. If you don't mind my asking, where are you from? | 21:02 |
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| SRabbelier | paddyforan: Madhusudan isn't, he's from India :) | 21:02 |
| Merio | paddyforan: we're not all from Europe, the awesome Madhusudan is from India | 21:03 |
| Merio | yep :) | 21:03 |
| Merio | however I'm from Italy | 21:03 |
| paddyforan | SRabbelier: You live! I was totally lied to last night, then... >.< | 21:03 |
| neo7 | SRabbelier, Finally you replied after such a long time. | 21:03 |
| SRabbelier | paddyforan: what were you told? | 21:04 |
| paddyforan | Srabbelier: Someone mentioned most of the dev team was in Europe. :) So perhaps it wasn't TECHNICALLY a lie. | 21:04 |
| neo7 | SRabbelier, Carol wanted to have total number of proposal submitted. | 21:04 |
| SRabbelier | neo7: I know | 21:05 |
| SRabbelier | neo7: already done | 21:05 |
| neo7 | SRabbelier, :) | 21:05 |
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| paddyforan | night neo7 :) | 21:17 |
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| ArthurLiu | weird | 23:05 |
| paddyforan | ArthurLiu: ? | 23:06 |
| ArthurLiu | in my list of proposals (mentor view), I have projects with scores 0, -1 and -2 | 23:06 |
| ArthurLiu | they are sorted in this order: 0, -2, -1 | 23:06 |
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