Monday, 2009-03-23

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kusumcan i see any mentors for gsoc 2009?03:43
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kusumcan i see any mentors for gsoc 2009?04:58
_allen_kusum: seems no mentors here05:04
_allen_kusum: which project would you want to apply?05:04
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kusumI am confused on which project to apply for05:11
_allen_kusum: confused??05:12
kusumi wish i could get a chance to speak any mentor here to clarify my doubts and choose the best i can do05:12
kusumi have worked extensively on mysql database05:12
kusumi used flat-file database b405:12
kusumby the time gsoc start i am confident to develop my AJAX skills as well05:13
_allen_kusum: actually, all these projects are related with python and django05:14
kusumi know what happens05:14
kusumi know python scripting05:14
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bergwolfhi, is there a word count limitation on student's proposal like last year's gsoc?07:21
bergwolfI asked in #gsoc, and people told me to try here07:22
bergwolfI haven't found such limitation on this year's user guild07:22
bergwolfcan I assume that there's no limit?07:22
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ScottMacbefore I break stuff08:08
ScottMacdo admins need to apply to become mentors?08:08
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SRabbelierScottMac: yup08:49
SRabbelierbergwolf: there's a 500 byte limit to the abstract08:50
SRabbelierbergwolf: no limit on the actual text08:50
ScottMacSRabbelier, i was just hoping it didn't eat my face08:51
ScottMacremove admin privileges etc08:51
ScottMacwouldn't be the first time a system didn't have layered permissions08:51
SRabbelierScottMac: but we do ^_^08:51
bergwolfSRabbelier, thanks08:51
SRabbelierbergwolf: np08:52
kblinSRabbelier: so I need to fill out my contact details _again_?08:52
SRabbelierkblin: yup, I'm afraid you will have to :)08:53
SRabbelierkblin: We'll add a more fancy way to store your contact details globally sometime :P08:53
* kblin sighs08:55
kblinas if entering it four times wasn't enough :)08:55
SRabbelierkblin: four times? 0.o08:55
kblinonce for sign-up and three times for being an admin for three orgs08:55
SRabbelierkblin: ouch08:55
kblincan I at least rate applications being an admin?08:56
SRabbelierkblin: it might've been less time to submit a patch to fix that :P08:56
SRabbelierkblin: yes, you can08:56
SRabbelierkblin: both rate and rank08:56
kblinSRabbelier: I doubt that, actually. I never used appengine before.08:56
kblinok, fair enough08:57
SRabbelierkblin: hehe, appengine is not that big of a point really08:57
kblinthen I just need to sign up as mentor if I actually get a proposal I'm willing to mentor08:57
SRabbelierkblin: it'd be more of a matter whether you used python before08:57
SRabbelierkblin: correct08:57
kblinSRabbelier: it's yet another python web framework to figure out08:57
SRabbelierkblin: Django, actually08:58
SRabbelierkblin: AppEngine isn't really a web framework08:58
SRabbelierkblin: it's more the database etc08:58
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kblinsame difference actually08:59
kblinnever played with django either08:59
SRabbelierkblin: in that case you're right :D08:59
kblinlooked too hard to do non-database stuff in it09:00
SRabbelierkblin: oh?09:00
kblinat least from flipping through the tutorial09:01
kblinI wanted a nice and easy file-based backened back then09:01
kblinthough I have to admit I've since switched to SQL, so I guess that's a moot point09:01
SRabbelierkblin: aaah, yes, I reckon that'd be a lot harder :p09:01
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dandersondurin42: can you bring durinbot back to slap newcomers with FAQs and stuff?09:43
SRabbelierdanderson: hehe, that'd be nice09:43
SRabbelierdanderson: perhaps we should auto-mute all newcommers for 15 minutes, during which they'll be advised to read the faq etc :P09:44
SRabbelierdanderson: or even better, have the bot read the faq to them :P09:44
_allen_SRabbelier: I think it would be better to display the UTC time on the melange09:59
SRabbelier_allen_: doesn't it?10:00
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SRabbelier_allen_: oh, you mean like at the top of the page?10:00
SRabbeliersaying "current UTC time is.."10:00
_allen_SRabbelier: yes!10:01
SRabbelier_allen_: Mhhh, we have for that10:01
_allen_SRabbelier: yeah, but maybe it would be better...10:02
SRabbelier_allen_: but it wouldn't be up to date ;)10:02
SRabbelier_allen_: that is, it'd only show the time since your last refresh10:02
_allen_SRabbelier: mh...10:03
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_allen_SRabbelier: can we make it dynamicly?10:04
SRabbelier_allen_: I know timeanddate does it10:05
_allen_SRabbelier: ok, maybe we do not need that10:06
_allen_SRabbelier: do we have any code about create dynamic form?10:09
SRabbelier_allen_: we do :)10:09
durin42danderson: durinbot is already there10:09
dandersonit is?10:10
durin42danderson: he might have been down for a while, swapped out a router10:10
dandersonyeah, that must have been it.10:10
_allen_SRabbelier: such as?10:10
SRabbelier_allen_: see the dynaform module10:10
durin42danderson: yah, sussman's ircbot stuff doesn't seem to notice disconnections10:10
durin42danderson: we've had over 1.5k new nicks since orgs were announced10:11
kusumSRabbelier : actually my summer vacations fall exactly in match with the GSOC period and i am really interested and I am also readily wiling to work for 35-40 hours per week on Melange GSoc project and i also have over one month before GSOC starts to cope up with DJANGO10:11
kusumsorry to interrupt10:11
_allen_SRabbelier: ah, that's greate, thanks!10:12
kusumi wanted to know if there could be a chance of somebody accepting me for the project10:12
dandersondurin42: nice. I just started to miss it when people started asking bloody FAQs again10:12
durin42Yeah, he sends 4 /msgs now10:12
SRabbelierkusum: You can always apply for a project, regardless of your skill and experience10:12
durin42the message was so long with the new pair of links it needed to get split up10:12
SRabbelierkusum: motiviation is important though, which you seem to have plenty of :)10:12
kusumthank you Sir10:13
kusumThe things i get passionate about i find it hard to leave no matter what10:13
kusumworking under such group of professionals would be of highest order to me10:14
SRabbelierkusum: you should have a look at our GettingStarted wiki topic10:14
SRabbelierkusum: it explaisn pretty well how to get set up10:14
kusumyes sir i am already going through it10:15
SRabbelierkusum: please drop the 'sir'10:15
SRabbelierkusum: I'm 20 :P10:15
SRabbelierkusum: it's embarassing10:15
kusumnow i got my exams till 26th of this month so i am not able to concentrate on it much10:15
durin42SRabbelier: on the internet, nobody knows you're not a sir ;)10:16
SRabbelierdurin42: which is why i tell them :D10:16
kusumi really wanted to get in touch with some mentor who could account his assurance on me10:16
SRabbelierkusum: we can't do that10:17
SRabbelierkusum: we can let you know if we think your proposal makes sense10:17
kusumyes, i can understand so10:17
SRabbelierkusum: and you could possibly get hooked up with  a specific mentor that would be willing to mentor such a project10:17
SRabbelierkusum: but we can't guarantee that your proposal will be accepted10:17
kusumi totally understand so10:17
SRabbelierok :)10:18
kusuman applicant more technically sound than me should deserve it10:18
kusummy only concern was when i am sure to give dedicated work i dont want to miss on such an oppurtunity10:19
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SRabbelierkusum: I'm not sure I understand what you mean10:19
kusumMy only concern was when i am sure to work dedicatedly i dont want to miss on such an oppurtunity10:20
kusumthat's it10:21
kblinSRabbelier: you also are rightfully ashamed of being 20 ;)10:21
SRabbelierkblin: :(10:22
kusumi wanted to know the skills sets mentors are looking for so that i can start working on them befere the GSOC starts in may10:22
SRabbelierkblin: you're just old!10:22
SRabbelierkusum: well, Django and python experience would be a plus :)10:22
kusumthanks a lot for responding so well to my queries10:26
kusumi am highly obliged to have a discussion with SRabbelier10:27
SRabbelieruhm, you're welcome I think :P10:27
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kusumSRabbelier here?10:49
SRabbelierSRabbelier: yes10:49
kusumjust one sec10:51
kusumi was very much interested in the project "Full project wiki"10:52
kusumi have had little experience on flat-file databases10:53
SRabbelierkusum: You mean the "Full Function WikI"  one?10:54
kusumsorry sir10:54
kusumyes Full Function wiki10:55
SRabbelierkusum: I was just confused, no worries :P10:55
SRabbelierkusum: I think you should talk to James about that one, as it was his idea10:55
kusumis he online on IRC?10:55
SRabbelierkusum: his handle is James-Crook, but he is not onlien atm10:56
kusumi'll try to get in touch with him as soon as possible10:56
_allen_SRabbelier: seems you already implemented the dynamic quiz system..10:57
SRabbelier_allen_: how so?10:58
SRabbelier(not that I know of)10:58
_allen_SRabbelier: isn't it..10:58
_allen_SRabbelier: I am not quite clearly the Quiz Adapter mean.10:58
SRabbeliernot unless someone has been doing stuff behind my back :P10:58
SRabbelier_allen_: I mean, what makes you think it's done?10:59
_allen_SRabbelier: "There is the quiz system which is very flexible and dynamically changeable. "10:59
SRabbelier_allen_: where does it say that?11:00
_allen_SRabbelier: Quiz Adapter description11:00
_allen_SRabbelier: in the wiki page, Quiz Adapter idea11:00
SRabbelier_allen_: ah, it's perhaps a little clubsily described11:01
SRabbelier_allen_: we don't actually have said flexible quiz system :D11:01
kusummelange is the org behind GSOC website rite?11:02
SRabbelier_allen_: I mean, the idea is there, the models and stuff, but it's not used11:02
SRabbelierkusum: yes, we are11:02
_allen_SRabbelier: ah, got it11:02
kusumcan we have a ticker on how much time is left for the applicants to start registering.......11:03
SRabbelierkusum: you could submit that as a patch I reckon :)11:03
_allen_SRabbelier: so I know the quiz system, can you explanation what is "Quiz Adapter"?11:03
kusumsince its the last few hours left11:03
SRabbelierkusum: either that, or use timeanddate.com11:03
_allen_SRabbelier: i am not quite clearly11:03
SRabbelier_allen_: not that difficult, we want the static stuff we're using now to be converted to teh dynamic quiz stuff11:03
kusumya no matter where the person is located geographically he should be exactly that much time away as anybody else11:04
tpbTitle: Customized counter (at
SRabbelierkusum: ^^^11:05
kusumthats lightning fast11:06
SRabbelierkusum: is easy to use ;)11:06
_allen_SRabbelier: Mmm..., understand now11:07
_allen_SRabbelier: thanks11:07
SRabbelier_allen_: ok :)11:08
SRabbelier_allen_: part of that proposal would probably be to get the quiz stuff to work in the first place11:08
_allen_SRabbelier: yes11:08
_allen_SRabbelier: time to electric power cut down, see u tomorrow11:10
_allen_see u, all11:10
SRabbelier_allen_: hehe, ok :)11:10
SRabbelier_allen_: cya!11:10
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nerusHey all !12:12
nerusI am very interested in working on melange, django being my area of work and interest ! '12:13
nerusis there a bug list or wish list that i can start working on to get fluent with melange ?12:14
SRabbeliernerus: yes, there is!12:15
nerusSRabbelier: nice, can I get the link ?12:15
SRabbeliernerus: that's the fulll list, which is perhaps not that usefull12:15
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SRabbeliertpb: !botsnack12:15
SRabbeliertssk, tpb is arrogant12:16
nerusSRabbelier: thanks !12:16
SRabbelierif you tell it botsnack, it says12:16
SRabbelier"Botsnacks are stupid, donate to my project instead."12:16
SRabbelierErant: :D12:17
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SRabbeliernerus: and just ignore all the Type:Story ones12:21
SRabbeliernerus: I'd give you a link that filters those out, but the issue tracker doesn't support complex AND/OR apparently12:21
nerusSRabbelier: cool !  I shall do that !12:22
nerusit seems like to reproduce the bugs I have to install melange locally and then create dummy users and stuff and work on a patch :)12:22
SRabbeliernerus: or you could have a look at both these lists:12:23
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SRabbeliernerus: we have a seed_db script for that to help out12:23
nerusoh nice !12:23
SRabbeliernerus: once you have melange running locally, go to http://localhost:8080/seed_db12:23
SRabbeliernerus: it fills the datastore with some entities :)12:23
nerushmmm okay !12:23
* nerus installing melange now ! 12:24
SRabbeliernerus: hehe, there's not much to install though, downloading the repo should be all :P12:26
SRabbeliernerus: are you a git user by chance?12:26
nerusSRabbelier: i have been using svn so far !12:26
SRabbeliernerus: ok, nvm then :)12:27
nerusi mean gives only svn12:27
SRabbelierbut I have a git mirror12:27
* Erant waits for the rant12:27
* SRabbelier wonders if an online rant would classify as an e-rant?12:27
ErantThe e-rant, if you will.12:27
nerusSRabbelier: does the git has a latest code or something like that ?12:28
nerusin that case i will take that :)12:29
SRabbeliernerus: the svn repo is official, you can use that, but if you're used to using git you can use my mirror, so that you don't have to do the git-svn conversion yourself :)12:29
nerusSRabbelier: oh okay ! then its fine ! I am actually comfortable with svn :P12:30
SRabbelierErant: so, did you decide if you're going to apply as Melange student yet? :P12:30
SRabbeliernerus: go for it :)12:30
ErantSRabbelier: Mjeh. So the security shit isn't by far bad enough to make up an entire project. And you know I'm not much of a regular dev.12:31
SRabbelierErant: hehe, you have the skills needed, if you're motivated enough you shouldn't worry about that12:31
ErantAnd by that I mean I don't like it. Not that I suck.12:31
Erant'cuz I don't.12:32
ErantI rock.12:32
ErantI'll be looking through the proposals a bit though. I might just end up sending a few applications12:32
ErantTwo or so12:32
ErantKinda also depends on BrightSight and harddisk-recovery though12:33
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SRabbelierErant: hehe, you should make sure you have enough time to be a student ;)12:35
ErantI have a fairly low workload next trimester.12:35
nerusSRabbelier: I finished the installation. But where are the DB's located ? is it sqlite ?12:38
SRabbeliernerus: it's stored by Appengine in a temp file12:38
SRabbeliernerus: on linux it's typically /tmp/appengine_datastore or something like that12:38
SRabbeliernerus: together with a /tmp/appengine_datastore.history file12:39
nerusSRabbelier: oh ! now to work on, i suppose i need to create 1000 plus users !12:39
nerusa simple sql would do ! i guess time to install it to a db :)12:39
ErantEuh, the 1000 user thing is an Appengine fail.12:39
ErantYay for choosing such an arbitrary value too :/12:40
SRabbelierErant: request limit is 10s12:40
SRabbelierErant: you can fetch about 1k entities in 10s12:40
SRabbelierErant: -> limit set to 10s12:40
SRabbeliernerus: we have seed_many for that12:40
nerusSRabbelier: yeah found it ! dev_appengine.datastore12:40
nerusoh wow !12:41
SRabbeliernerus: you can have a look at http://localhost:8080/soc/content/seed_db.html12:41
nerusmelange has everything :)12:41
SRabbeliernerus: it's a cheat sheet for adding a whole bunch of entities :)12:41
nerusyes, it is !12:41
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nerusThe seed_many script for new users doesnt seem to work for me ?12:46
nerus! *12:46
nerusnew mentors and other stuffs work !12:46
SRabbeliernerus: ah, that's right, ther'es a typo in thef ile12:46
SRabbeliernerus: look at where it says seed_type12:46
SRabbeliernerus: it should read seed_type=user, but it says seed_type=org or such12:46
nerusit says mentor12:47
nerusi tried using usr12:47
SRabbeliernerus: right, change it to say user :)12:47
nerusfine !12:52
nerusgot it working :)12:52
SRabbeliernerus: awesome :)12:52
neruswill try working on that bug and ping you asap !12:53
SRabbeliernerus: ok, good luck :D12:53
nerusmelange is as addictive as django :)12:53
SRabbeliernerus: feel free to ping for help :)12:53
nerussure :)12:54
nerusthat interactive console part is nice12:54
SRabbeliernerus: it is12:54
nerusprobably i could have just done for i from 1 to 100 : user = User() and then
nerusthanks for help !12:55
SRabbeliernerus: yup, that's more or less what seed_many does :)12:55
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nerushmmm okay !12:55
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nerusokay there actually is a problem with that script !13:05
neruswhen I gave 15 new users it worked fine13:05
nerusbut when i tried 1000 users it said firefox detected a loop !13:05
nerusprobably i can do it in smaller steps or use the console :)13:06
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SRabbeliernerus|away: the loop is intentional13:28
SRabbeliernerus|away: you should manually hit 'enter' on the url13:29
SRabbeliernerus|away: (not f5!)13:29
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MatthewWilkesArrrgh, I'm locked out of the webapp16:27
MatthewWilkesJust got a G1, it made me create a gmail account and linked it to my google account on setup16:28
MatthewWilkesnow the webapp recognises me as [email protected] when I log in, even as [email protected]16:28
MatthewWilkesAnyone got any ideas?16:28
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: hmmm... what's your link_id/16:28
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: matthewwilkes16:29
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: the web-app knows you as [email protected]16:29
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: I can make it know you as [email protected] instead16:30
MatthewWilkesyup, it does, but google has unilaterally changed my email address and will no longer authenticate me as that16:30
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: if that's what you want, please send an e-mail from both accounts stating that :)16:31
MatthewWilkes:( I suppose that's the best bet16:31
Lenniemw4068, that sucks16:31
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SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: otoh, you could poke the Google Account guys, see if they can help :P16:31
SRabbelier(doubtfull, considering how busy they'd get if they did stuff like that)16:31
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: I've found a thread on a support thing saying the way to "fix" it is to delete your account and recreate it as 216:32
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: create it as 2?16:32
MatthewWilkesAs in, create 2 google accounts, 1 with your real email, one with the googlemail one16:33
MatthewWilkesI don't even want a googlemail addy, andy just made me sign up for one16:33
Lenniehold it16:33
Lennieyou have andy now :D?16:33
Lennieawesomeness :)16:34
MatthewWilkesYeah, got it today :(16:34
Lennieor normal :P16:34
MatthewWilkesNope, off the shelf16:34
ArthurLiuHi, I added a one-line patch for the resizable editor wishlist issue:
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ErantLennie: It will be awesome with multitouch.16:34
MatthewWilkesI was really excited until now16:34
ErantUntil then, not so much.16:34
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SRabbelierArthurLiu: awesome, I'll has a look at it16:34
ErantAlso, what's the deal with the Java crap?16:34
LennieErant, grmbl :D16:35
LennieErant, you and your iphone :P16:35
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: both emails sent16:35
LennieErant go talk to solydzajs about iphone apps :P16:35
SRabbelierErant: it runs a Dalvik VM16:35
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: thanks16:35
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ErantOh, I might owe solydzajs an apology :P16:35
ErantI might've accidentally changed your nick in the testing version of Melange. :P16:36
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SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: am waiting for the mail from [email protected]16:36
solydzajsErant: yep I fixed it already16:36
Erantk :)16:36
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solydzajsErant: thx for all the security review tho :-)16:37
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Lennieit's his hobby :P16:37
ErantIs not.16:37
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: Well, it's sent, give it a minute16:37
ErantNot webbased security anywho.16:37
Lennieyour job?16:37
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: I got the second half already :D16:37
LennieErant, it gets you somehwere though, points at photoplay :P16:37
solydzajsArthurLiu: thx we will look into it16:37
ErantLennie: ;)16:37
LennieI'm off16:37
ErantLennie: So I might actually apply to write a USB driver for Rockbox16:38
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: Maybe Google are blocking my other email now…16:38
LennieSRabbelier, good luck on your presentation16:38
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: lol :D16:38
ErantLennie: nn16:38
SRabbelierLennie: you too16:38
LennieErant, wicked16:38
LennieErant, you go girl :P16:38
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: got it16:39
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: ok, give it a ghwirl16:40
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: Got it, thanks16:41
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: awesomeness16:41
MatthewWilkesNot cool though, Google, not cool.16:41
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SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: no, kinda weird16:41
MatthewWilkesI need to get Python working now to cheer myself up16:43
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: dont' tell me you're on windows :P16:44
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: getting python working on Linux is as simple as typing 'python' in a shell16:44
MatthewWilkesah, no, I mean on andy16:45
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: ooooooh!16:45
MatthewWilkesI'm on OSX and have python 2.3,2.4,2.5,2.6,3.0 and 3.116:45
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: yes, that's fancy, but I thought that was only possible if you have root?16:45
* MatthewWilkes uses python a lot16:45
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: +116:46
MatthewWilkesYeah, doesn't seem to be easy16:46
MatthewWilkesAh well16:46
SRabbelieryou could ssh to a box with python though16:46
MatthewWilkesyup, but it's not the same…16:46
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: true, true16:46
ArthurLiuSRabbelier, nailed this time, it needed a statusbar to put the resizing corner:
tpb<> (at
SRabbelierArthurLiu: ah, mhhh, let me try that17:33
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SRabbelierArthurLiu: ping17:40
ArthurLiudon't tell me it's still doesn't work..17:40
SRabbelierArthurLiu: it doesn't :)17:40
SRabbelierArthurLiu: see srabbelier-melange17:41
SRabbelierArthurLiu: maybe I'm doing something wrong :)17:41
ArthurLiuSRabbelier, here's a working code:
tpb<$5> (at
ArthurLiuwhat is srabbelier-melange ? a branch somewhere ?17:45
SRabbelierArthurLiu: what's the difference with teh current code?17:45
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SRabbelierArthurLiu: my personal appspot instance17:45
SRabbelierArthurLiu: http://srabbelier-melange.appspot.com17:45
tpbTitle: Sign In Required (at
ArthurLiuyou confused theme_advanced_toolbar_location and theme_advanced_statusbar_location17:47
SRabbelierah, drat17:48
SRabbelierArthurLiu: thanks!17:48
ArthurLiuthese javascript gas plants are really weird to work with17:49
SRabbelierArthurLiu: that works17:49
SRabbelierArthurLiu: gas plants?17:49
SRabbelierArthurLiu: what does the "Path: P" stuff mean?17:49
ArthurLiufrench slang for huge kludgy incomprehensible tools17:49
ArthurLiuerr, it's the html dom path I believe17:50
SRabbelierArthurLiu: hehe, any better suggesions?17:50
ArthurLiuI'm not a webdev :)17:50
SRabbelierArthurLiu: me neitjer :D17:50
ArthurLiu"theme_advanced_path" : false17:51
ArthurLiuto disable the strange code in the statusbar17:51
SRabbelierok, works, committing17:52
ArthurLiumy scroll wheel thanks you :)17:57
SRabbelierArthurLiu: welcome :)O17:58
SRabbelierArthurLiu: (you won't see the change until a new release is pushed btw)18:00
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SRabbelierG'night all :)18:24
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