Sunday, 2009-03-01

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James--CrookSRabbelier: Issue 273 (hyperlinks in docs).  If you visit http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/user/jamescrook/userfaq you should find that none of the links take you to the edit view of the doc.09:44
tpb<http://ln-s.net/2wMo> (at socghop.appspot.com)09:44
SRabbelierJames--Crook: *checks*09:50
SRabbelierJames--Crook: that's because I used the wrong link :P09:50
SRabbelierJames--Crook: oh, I think I see a bug in TinyMCE!09:51
SRabbelierwtf09:53
SRabbeliermaybe there's some caching going on here09:53
SRabbelierI don't know what's wrong here09:55
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head-embeddedHello. I the expert in the field of embedded systems. I the expert in the field of System and applied programming on С/С ++  microcontroller systems (AVR, Intel 8051 and compatible, ARM7/9). I worked with realtime operational systems. And I the expert in the field of Hardware Description Language: VHDL and Verilog. Whether I can participate with my  knowledge in GSoC?  Whether there will be...10:08
head-embedded...here projects for embedded  systems? Thankful in advance.10:08
SRabbelierhead-embedded: aah, this is more #gsoc related than #melange, but the answer is that the list of accepted organizations will be announced Wednesday 18th of March10:10
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MatthewWilkesLennie!11:42
LennieMatthewWilkes11:42
Lenniewassup?11:43
MatthewWilkesJust had a great lunch, Roast Beef, carrots, parsnip, sweet potato mash, roast potatoes, cabbage, apple and blackberry crumble and 2 pints of bitter11:44
MatthewWilkesCaught up on current events in Der Spiegel, started prep for my ploneconf 2009 talk11:45
MatthewWilkesGood day :)11:45
MatthewWilkesyourself?11:45
Lenniedamn11:46
Lennieit's sunday :p11:46
MatthewWilkesYeah, hence the sunday lunch11:46
LennieI had breakfast, visit my grandma's, packed my bags, head to my place near the uni and now I'm here :P11:46
MatthewWilkesLennie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_roast ;)11:46
tpbTitle: Sunday roast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)11:46
Lennienice :P11:47
Lennienot my cup of tea11:47
Lenniebut still :)11:47
Lennienice11:47
MatthewWilkesMissing sunday roast is the biggest thing I'm scared of when not in the country11:48
MatthewWilkesNot sure how I'll survive living abroad ;)11:48
Lenniehaha11:53
Lenniewhat would the world be like if we could actually worry about that :D11:54
MatthewWilkesYou clearly don't realise how good it is!11:54
LennieIf I'm every in the country :P11:55
Lennie*ever11:55
MatthewWilkesDefinitely!  Do let me know if you head over here11:56
LennieUK right :P?11:57
Lenniebecause Der Spiegel confused me for a second ^^11:57
MatthewWilkesYeah, UK11:59
MatthewWilkesI'm a german student11:59
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MatthewWilkes(That is, I study Germanistik, I'm not from Germany)12:00
Lennieok12:00
Lenniethat makes sense12:00
Lennieinterestingly enough I'm right in the middle ^^12:00
MatthewWilkesIn the middle?12:01
MatthewWilkesWhat, like frisian?12:01
Lenniemwah12:02
Lennielet's just keep it at Netherlands :P12:02
MatthewWilkesI have to say, nederlands is a fucking weird language from my pov12:05
MatthewWilkesfar too familiar12:05
Lenniedus als ik Nederlands spreek is dat geen probleem voor jou?12:05
MatthewWilkesNot really, I miss subtle things but I get the general idea12:06
MatthewWilkesAt least, I think i do ;)12:06
SRabbelierheya :)12:06
Lennie:D12:07
MatthewWilkesHi SRabbelier12:07
LennieI'm off12:08
Lenniegonna do some coding and dinner12:08
SRabbelierLennie: have fun :)12:08
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Lennie|FoodI will :p12:08
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: So, Hammerfall are playing at a festival I'm going to this year, worth adding them to my list of bands to see?12:09
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: only if you like Metal ;)12:09
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MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: What other festivals would they be at?12:10
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: http://hammerfall.net/Tour.aspx12:10
tpbTitle: HammerFall (at hammerfall.net)12:10
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: they're in the UK today ;)12:10
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: sold out apparently12:11
MatthewWilkesIslington academy?  Meh12:11
MatthewWilkesI'm talking about Wacken in August12:11
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: aaah :)12:11
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: well, see the Tour dates :)12:11
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: They don't go far enough to see Wacken, going to london is probably as much hassle as going to amsterdam from here12:13
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: what do you mean?12:14
MatthewWilkesTime from my house to london on the train is barely less than time to dam, and 'dam is much cheaper12:14
MatthewWilkesTrain tickets are about twice a cheap flight12:14
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: I thought Wacken is in Germany?12:14
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: seriously? *eyebrow*12:14
SRabbelierUK suuucks! :P12:14
MatthewWilkesIt is, but that's more hassle than London :)12:14
MatthewWilkesTicket to London is between £50 and £120 depending on departure time12:14
MatthewWilkesapprox the same for EUR at the current rates12:15
SRabbelierhehe, where are you flying from then?12:15
MatthewWilkesBristol airport is a 10 minute bus ride away12:15
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: aah, nice :)12:15
MatthewWilkesminor airport so gets cheap flights12:15
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: nice, nice12:16
MatthewWilkesHmm, Hammerfall sound ok, I do like a bit of power metal12:17
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: hehe, sweet12:17
SRabbelierthey're very power metal ;)12:17
SRabbeliereven so12:17
SRabbelierif you'd ask me teh definition of Power Metal, I'd say Hammerfall for sure12:17
SRabbelieror maybe Gamma Ray12:18
MatthewWilkesWell, I'm more a classic rock/metal / mediaeval / punk / industrial type guy, but Wacken is my chance to go mainstream metal for a few days12:20
MatthewWilkesBeen going for a few years now, always alone, meet random people and enjoy the change of scenery12:21
* SRabbelier grins12:21
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: I've always considered Wacken too expensive12:21
MatthewWilkesIt's not too bad, 95 EUR12:22
MatthewWilkesNice atmosphere12:22
SRabbelierwith too few bands I know/like  to make up for it12:22
MatthewWilkesIndeed12:22
MatthewWilkesThe first time I went Unheilig and Schandmaul were playing, which pretty much swung it on its own12:22
SRabbelierlast year I knew/liked only Avantasia, Kamelot, Nightwish and Sonata Arctica12:23
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: oh yeah, Schandmaul is defnitely awesome12:23
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: they could do with a slightly higher tempo though12:23
MatthewWilkesUnfortunately I fell asleep during Napalm Death12:24
MatthewWilkesI woke up with a circle pit around me12:24
SRabbelierLOL!!12:24
MatthewWilkesand decided to go back to the tent, missed schandmaul12:24
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: on purpose because you fell asleep, or coincidental?12:24
MatthewWilkesWas gutted!12:24
MatthewWilkesI was tired, so I sat down12:25
* SRabbelier nods12:25
MatthewWilkesIt had rained, so they put a load of straw out12:25
MatthewWilkesso the floor was comfy12:25
SRabbelierI know what you mean :)12:25
MatthewWilkesthen I lied down12:25
MatthewWilkesThen I woke up12:25
SRabbelierI went to Master of Rock three years now12:25
SRabbelierfestivals are exhousting :D12:25
MatthewWilkesmust have been out for an hour or so, was quite peaceful when I nodded off12:25
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: check this year's lineup12:25
SRabbelierhttp://www.mastersofrock.cz/www/index.php?view=8212:25
tpb<http://ln-s.net/2wQR> (at www.mastersofrock.cz)12:25
SRabbelierit's so not fair :(12:25
SRabbelier(Schandmaul is comming ;) )12:26
MatthewWilkesEurope?  AWESOME!12:26
MatthewWilkesIn Extremo12:26
MatthewWilkesThat looks cool!12:26
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: it is12:26
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: Nightwish, Blind Guardian, Edguy, Stratovarius, Dragonforce, Korpiklaani, Schandmaul12:27
SRabbelier7 awesome bands for only 50 bucks12:27
SRabbelier(it was 42 earlier, but they raise the price as the festival gets closer)12:27
SRabbeliercan you imagine how bad I'm feeling about not going this year? :P12:28
MatthewWilkesWhen is it?12:28
MatthewWilkesAh, July :P12:28
SRabbelierI'm paying 42 to go to just Nightwish (and Pain) the 15th12:28
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: jup, it's 9. 7. 200912:28
MatthewWilkeslol, why aren't you?12:28
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: we used to go on vacation in Czech12:28
SRabbelier(been there about 8 times now)12:29
SRabbelierI probably won't even be at home this year :P12:29
SRabbelierand if I am we're not going to Czech12:29
MatthewWilkeswe? Family?12:29
* SRabbelier nods12:29
SRabbelieryeah12:29
SRabbelierI'm only 20, I've been going on vacation with my family the past years :P12:30
MatthewWilkesah, you pre-empted my next question12:30
SRabbelier;)12:30
MatthewWilkesI stopped going on holiday with my parents at 17, apart from the year they decided to go to australia :)12:30
SRabbelierI got 1337 prediction skillzz12:30
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: hehe, too little money to go on vacation by myself12:31
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: I wouldof stopped going about that time too though12:31
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: but then they came up with MoR ;)12:31
MatthewWilkesYeah, I just have very different holiday tastes to my parents, couldn't stand it anymore12:31
SRabbelierYou can understand I had no resist :P12:31
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: I've spent most of the vacation at the vacation house, luckily with internet access the past two years12:31
MatthewWilkescool12:32
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: only reason I still joined was because of MoR12:32
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: it's been incredibly awesome all these years12:32
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: I'd be going again this year for sure, but tickets to Zlin are not quite free either12:32
SRabbelier(and going alone is not really my style ;) )12:32
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: I ditched my family in most places we went to last time12:33
* SRabbelier snickers12:33
MatthewWilkesTokyo - on my own, Syndey, on my own, ulura - family, cairns - family, hongkong - on my own12:33
MatthewWilkessydney*12:33
MatthewWilkesObviously not all the time, but for example I spent my 20th birthday on my own in hong-kong12:34
MatthewWilkesdunno what the family were doing12:34
MatthewWilkeselsewhere in the city12:34
* SRabbelier chuckles12:34
* MatthewWilkes is 22, btw12:34
SRabbelier:)12:35
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eeanjust submitted a test application for KDE12:44
SRabbeliereean: cool :)12:45
MatthewWilkeseean: :)12:45
eeanwe have a vested interest in making melange work awesome :)12:47
* SRabbelier grins12:48
SRabbeliereean: yes, you do12:48
MatthewWilkesWhich reminds me, I should probably push my bug upsteam to django12:48
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: yes, you should12:52
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MatthewWilkeswb lennie13:18
SRabbelierindeed13:18
SRabbelierwe've got a problem with the site-wide notification :(13:18
Lennie?13:19
SRabbelierLennie: we can't put it in the top bar13:19
SRabbelierLennie: and if we put it above/below the current notification it pushes down the rest of the site13:19
Lenniebecause?13:20
SRabbelierLennie: (even if there is no notification set)13:20
SRabbelierLennie: CSS stuff13:20
SRabbelierLennie: if we change the <div id=... to something other than 'login', it won't show up in the top bar13:20
Lennienothing should change if there is no notification13:20
SRabbelierLennie: exactly13:20
SRabbelierLennie: so we have a problem13:20
Lennieyou are sure your put everything between an if statement?13:20
SRabbelierLennie: and as I'm not a CSS guru, we're SoL13:20
SRabbelierLennie: no, I'm retarded... nou goed13:21
SRabbelierLennie: had to change the *.css file13:21
SRabbelierLennie: and manually increase the margin-bottom13:21
Lennielol?13:21
SRabbelierLennie: which can't be conditional13:21
SRabbelierLennie: otherwise, it looks even worse13:21
Lennieyou should stab pawel ^^13:21
SRabbelierLennie: the second notice will be put over regular text13:22
SRabbelierLennie: heh, he's not there13:22
SRabbelierLennie: let me show you how it looks like13:22
SRabbelier(without the CSS edit)13:22
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SRabbelierLennie|Andy: nice14:08
SRabbelierLennie|Andy: firc?14:08
Lennie|Andyyes14:08
SRabbelierLennie|Andy: noice14:08
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SRabbelier:P14:08
SRabbelierlol14:08
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SRabbelier:)14:09
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James--CrookSRabbelier: Hi Sverre, what is your top worry/concern at the moment?18:59
SRabbelierJames--Crook: my andy's wireless being broken :-/18:59
James--CrookOh, well that's good, if that's the biggest worry :-)18:59
SRabbelierheh19:00
SRabbelierI guess from your POV it would be :P19:00
James--Crookconfiguration issue rather than hardware?19:00
SRabbelierJames--Crook: I have no clue19:00
SRabbelierJames--Crook: only one wireless to test it on19:00
James--CrookHere's hoping it's config19:00
SRabbelierJames--Crook: it could be a whole range of problems19:00
* SRabbelier nods19:00
SRabbelieryeah, me too19:00
James--Crookwhen is the next version of melange likely to be pushed to appspot?19:01
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SRabbelierJames--Crook: we'll do a new release tomorrow :)19:03
SRabbelierJames--Crook: it'll be pushed to socghop too19:03
James--Crookvery cool.19:03
SRabbelierJames--Crook: release early, release often ;)19:04
tlarsenSRabbelier: when are we going to start releasing more than once a week?19:04
James--CrookOk, and then later one of them will get progressed to 'student application stage', but not the other?19:04
tlarsenSRabbelier: Also, when are we going to stop committing stuff that is only partially done right before a release, instead of waiting until right after the release is cut to commit it?19:04
SRabbeliertlarsen: I think when we go live, we should do a full release per week, and do cheryr-picks whenever there's a critical patch?19:04
James--CrookSRabbelier: btw thanks for looking over the Faqs / edits doc.19:04
SRabbelierJames--Crook: I will do that tomorrow as soon as I have time; needs leep first19:05
SRabbeliertlarsen: :)19:05
tlarsenI'm just wondering when we are actually going to stabilize the branch *before* /p/soc-google/-forking it and putting it on socghop.19:05
James--CrookSRabbelier: no  surprises there (about needing sleep)19:05
SRabbelierJames--Crook: I'll tty tomorrow19:06
James--Crooktty then.19:06
SRabbelierg'night all19:06
James--Crookbye19:06
SRabbelieroh, one last thing :)19:06
SRabbelierJames--Crook: I fixed the public pages19:06
SRabbelierJames--Crook: urls are being urlized, and description fields support HTML19:06
SRabbelierJames--Crook: (will add TinyMCE widget to the edit page tomorrow)19:06
James--CrookOh cool.  You guys have been fixing a lot in the last few days19:07
SRabbelierJames--Crook: see r2221 and r2223; if you have time could you please close the related issues?19:07
James--CrookI was stunned by how quickly the app list issue was fixed.  (no list of who)19:07
SRabbelierJames--Crook: we don't like bugs any more than you do :)19:07
James--CrookI can't close an issue until I've teted it!19:07
SRabbelierJames--Crook: well, you can test it on srabbelier-melange if you want19:08
tlarsenJames--Crook: Actually, if you have time, could you go through all of the Type-Story issues and change which ones have been implemented to Type-Feature or Type-Enhancement and mark them Fixed?  :)19:08
James--Crookand can't test it until it's pushed to appspot19:08
SRabbelierJames--Crook: if you sign in there I can make you a dev19:08
SRabbelierJames--Crook: http://srabbelier-melange.appspot.com/ that is19:08
tpbTitle: Home Page (at srabbelier-melange.appspot.com)19:08
James--Crooktlarsen: Absolutely NOT.  I was told that...19:08
James--Crookstory was the way development was happening.19:09
tlarsenReally?  Type-Story has been shoved to the end of the default list view.19:09
SRabbelierJames--Crook: pfff, I am not looking at any Type:Story issues for sure19:09
tlarsenType-Defect, then Type-Feature, then Type-Enhancement.19:09
SRabbelierJames--Crook: they seemed a good idea to someoen at some time; but I don't use them19:09
tlarsenSo, there are some (not sure how many) Type-Story issues that are probably completely implemented.19:09
James--Crooktlarsen: So?  That is a developer decision.  They are written as stories because that is what was asked for.19:10
tlarsenYes, but my point is, they need some triage.19:10
James--Crooktlarsen: ah, got you.  Will get back to you on that.  I have to go now.19:11
James--Crookbye all.19:11
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SRabbelierI will do the same19:12
SRabbeliercheers19:12
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AlexUAanyone know when we'll be able to test student applications?20:04
AlexUAwe wanted to try and get some people banging on it @ DrupalCon, but it doesn't look like that's going to be possible :(20:05
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