Thursday, 2008-10-16

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lh_Allen_: how are you?02:14
_Allen_lh: fine02:15
lh_Allen_: great02:16
_Allen_lh: I am prepare for implement the logic of qustions/answers02:16
_Allen_lh: and you?02:16
lh_Allen_: honestly doing not much. tired but talking to friends.02:16
_Allen_lh: relax yourself, :)02:17
lh_Allen_: i am. :)02:17
_Allen_lh: good02:18
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solydzajstlarsen: ping :-) Hi11:25
SRabbeliertlarsen: ping11:34
SRabbeliersolydzajs: {{ entity_type|lower }}11:37
SRabbeliersolydzajs: like that ,right?11:37
solydzajsSRabbelier: yes11:38
SRabbeliersolydzajs: cool11:38
SRabbeliersolydzajs: I replaced 'name_lower' with just 'name', and set it to "Sponsor:11:41
SRabbeliersolydzajs: so if you want lower, you do name|lower11:41
SRabbelieralso added a name_plural11:41
solydzajswhere did you have name_lower ?11:41
solydzajsCommit patch to rietveld and we will review with Todd11:42
SRabbeliersolydzajs: not sure I had it :P11:43
SRabbeliersolydzajs: but I replaced it everywhere with foo|lower11:44
SRabbelier(where approrpriate)11:44
solydzajsok11:46
SRabbeliercool11:49
SRabbelierrebasing went smoothly11:49
SRabbeliersolydzajs: can't upload yet11:51
SRabbeliersolydzajs: will do it in 1h when I get home11:51
SRabbelier(don't have the upload.py here)11:51
SRabbelierbbs11:52
solydzajsok12:00
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SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: what's gotten you?13:08
SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: will you be ok for the summit?13:08
mithrohey SRabbelier13:22
mithroSRabbelier: i thought someone else might be working on the refactor hence the email13:22
SRabbeliermithro: ah, ok :)13:22
SRabbeliermithro: it's done now I think13:22
SRabbelierready to upload next version13:22
mithrothis way just seemed like the correct way to start with :P13:24
mithrobut maybe I jump to conclusions sometimes13:24
SRabbeliermithro: no, it was ok :)13:25
SRabbeliersolydzajs: committed rename13:30
solydzajsSRabbelier: just reviewed13:39
solydzajsSRabbelier: can you commit the fix ?13:39
SRabbeliersolydzajs: will do13:40
solydzajsSRabbelier: ok thx13:40
SRabbeliersolydzajs: entity_type_short == entity_type13:40
solydzajsSRabbelier: not always13:40
SRabbeliermhhh13:40
SRabbelierok..13:40
solydzajsSRabbelier: Organization for exmaple13:40
SRabbelierdinner first :)13:40
solydzajsSRabbelier: has a short name 'org'13:41
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SRabbeliersolydzajs: ok, makes sense now14:05
solydzajsSRabbelier: good :-)14:05
SRabbeliersolydzajs: better now?14:13
solydzajsSRabbelier: yes thx14:17
tlarsen|illSRabbelier: I just generally feel bad, headache, body aches.  My wife also had a sore throat, but I don't have that, thankfully.14:23
SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: I hope you both get well soon14:24
tlarsen|illSRabbelier: the headache is the worst part; makes looking at the computer screen difficult.14:24
tlarsen|illSRabbelier: She is already recovered as of this morning, actually, but she had it for two days.14:24
SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: aah, I can imagine; do painkillers help at all?14:24
tlarsen|illSRabbelier: no pain medicine except for really hard stuff like Oxycodone and Hydrocodone (Vicodin) have much effect on me, and those knock me out.14:25
tlarsen|illSRabbelier: I am allowed to keep a small, fresh supply on hand at all times, because I frequently suffer from kidney stones.14:25
SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: lol, that's not really any good then14:26
SRabbelierouch, those things hurt14:26
SRabbelierdrink more water xD14:26
tlarsen|illSRabbelier: I drink plenty of water, and I also take Potassium Citrate, which has worked well at minimizing them for the past few years (I just passed a small one yesterday, though).14:27
tlarsen|illSRabbelier: it is genetic, as my mother, father, both sisters, and one brother (but not the other, yet, as he is only 16) have them.14:27
SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: ouch, that sucks; my mom had one once, I hope I didn't inherit that from her14:27
tlarsen|illSRabbelier: I'm basically a walking kidney stone factory, and I've had three lithotrypsies and I'm scheduled for another one in a couple of months.14:28
* SRabbelier just googled lithotrypsies14:29
SRabbelierdo they help?14:29
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tlarsen|illSRabbelier: when some of your stones are 2cm in diameter, yes.14:31
SRabbelier0.o14:32
tlarsen|illSRabbelier: you can't possibly pass those.14:32
SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: no, best not :P14:32
SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: did you want the parameter descriptions to start with lowercase?14:53
tlarsen|illSRabbelier: that's an unexpected question.14:55
SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: how is that?14:55
SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: I seem to remember you asking for that, but I'm not sure14:56
tlarsen|illSRabbelier: I tend to just follow English rules.  If it is a complete sentence, I capitalize it and end it with a period.  If it is an incomplete fragment, I don't.14:56
tlarsen|illSRabbelier: And, even then, I'm not terribly consistent, really.14:56
SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: mhhh, ok14:56
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SRabbelierJames--Crook: heya16:00
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James--CrookSRabbelier: hoya16:20
SRabbelierJames--Crook: how's going?16:23
SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: how do I get the string form from a db.StringProperty?16:25
James--CrookSRabbelier: ..so much to do.  ..we've got a new contributor in Audacity who is superb, and I don't have time to try out what he has been doing :-( - have to leave it to other people.16:28
SRabbelierJames--Crook: awr man, that sucks16:28
James--CrookSRabbelier: How about you?16:28
SRabbelierJames--Crook: getting ready to leave to the USA16:28
James--CrookYou have a machine readable passport?16:29
James--Crook(Some older ones are not)16:29
SRabbelierJames--Crook: yup, I do, already visited once ;)16:29
James--CrookHave you thought anymore about what kind of help we want to ask for at the summit?16:30
SRabbelierJames--Crook: not sure, depends on what we get done in the next week16:30
James--CrookI am not sure that that changes it a great deal.  What it does change is how easy it is to ask for help.16:31
SRabbeliermhh?16:31
James--CrookWell... suppose everything slips by a week.  We still need much the same things we need right now.16:32
SRabbelierright16:32
James--CrookMentor Summit is an ideal time to find someone to help with security aspects.  We sure need that.16:32
SRabbelieryes, very much so16:33
James--CrookSo what other things...16:34
James--CrookI see a javascript wizard as someone to look for.16:34
SRabbelierJames--Crook: yup16:34
James--Crookand...?16:34
SRabbeliernot sure really, haven't thought about it like that16:35
James--CrookI really don't expect a lot of useful coding to be done for us on the day.  What we can hope for is to get people interested, and possibly get some world-domination-interest in there too.16:35
SRabbelierJames--Crook: yeah, same feeling here16:35
SRabbelierJames--Crook: that's why i want the code to be clean16:36
James--CrookI think people have been underthinking Melange, and that's a mistake in open source.  You get less far with a product that appeals to two people.16:36
SRabbelierJames--Crook: underthinking?16:37
James--CrookWe also have to fight that every single one of the GSoC mentors has already committed to their own project.  That will always take their first slice of time (and there amy not be a second)16:37
SRabbelierHow would you 'fight' that?16:38
James--Crookunderthinking...  Well, the wiki satrts of saying Melange is not a issue tracking system... it is not a CMS system... it is not the other...16:38
SRabbelierJames--Crook: it does?16:38
James--CrookBut what it IS is a (or will become) is an Access controlled database front end with some powerful CMS features.16:39
James--Crook..Just finding the quote...16:39
SRabbelierJames--Crook: ok, -nods-16:39
James--Crook At first, the GSoC web application appears to be part content management system, part issue tracking system, and part customer relationship manager. But, while the GSoC web application shares some features in common with those systems, it is quite different in its purpose.16:40
James--Crookhttp://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/MelangeIntro16:40
tpbTitle: MelangeIntro - soc - Google Code - An introduction to Melange (at code.google.com)16:40
SRabbelierok16:40
James--CrookEvery successful open source project has a wiki.  Most have a bugtracker (and it sucks usually)16:41
SRabbelier+116:41
James--CrookYou can make a bug tracker that does not suck by using a wiki to capture all the things that don't quite fit the schema...16:42
James--Crookbut then you need a way to query the wiki like it is a database...16:42
James--CrookSo... what is really missing is a way to marry the flexibility of a wiki with the regularity of a database front end.  It actually is not that very hard to do.16:43
* SRabbelier nods16:43
James--CrookThe bug tracker I use at work has a very 'raw' interface to the databse, and that will not do for Melange.16:44
SRabbelierJames--Crook: right16:44
James--CrookAnyway... that's WorldDomination....  and that's at least three months away.  We need to llok at what we can get for the short term, using people who will be at the summit.16:45
James--CrookI've just noticed that tlarsen is marked as tlarsen|ill.  Any info?  (can pm me if appropriate).16:46
SRabbelierJames--Crook: he's not feeling too hot, check the chat logs :)16:46
James--CrookI won't see them till tomorrow.  Will do so then.16:47
James--Crook\me sends tlarsen a get well soon card16:47
SRabbelierah, true16:47
* James--Crook sends tlarsen a get well card16:47
James--CrookWhat is your best outcome for the Mentor summit?16:48
SRabbeliermhhh, getting 5 new contributors, and some people interested16:49
James--Crookand how do they start getting involved?  ..what activities?16:50
James--CrookGHOP is end of November, right?16:50
SRabbelieryup16:50
SRabbelierJames--Crook: I kinda have to finish this math assignment and pack though16:50
James--Crooknp.  talk to you later.  (What kind of maths, pure/applied?)16:51
James--Crookhave a good trip.16:51
SRabbelierJames--Crook: Numerical Maths16:52
James--CrookDoesn't tell me much :-)  Anyway, all the best.  cy.16:55
SRabbelierJames--Crook: hehe, sorry :P16:56
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SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: I committed the new generic view code, but it is not enabled yet (no change in functionality)19:23
SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: I'm hoping to give the new code more exposure this way, since it'll be very easy to give it a spin19:24
tlarsen|illSRabbelier: OK, I am conscious again, so I will give it a look as soon as I can.19:25
SRabbeliertlarsen|ill: awesome!19:25
SRabbelierok19:37
SRabbelierI am going now19:37
SRabbeliercheers!19:37
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