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| kiko_ | can I change the mentor assigned to a particular task? | 00:57 |
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| ThomasWaldmann | SRabbelier: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129037966078#c1 | 01:30 |
| tpb | Title: Show Task (at www.google-melange.com) | 01:30 |
| ThomasWaldmann | have a look there, Kapace found that shocking bug :) | 01:30 |
| Kapace | according to that, i should /really/ hurry to get this done | 01:30 |
| ThomasWaldmann | compare deadline and time to complete | 01:31 |
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| ThomasWaldmann | hmm, he seems busy fixing bugs or so | 01:32 |
| ThomasWaldmann | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list there are the current issues | 01:33 |
| tpb | Title: Issues - soc - Project Hosting on Google Code (at code.google.com) | 01:33 |
| ThomasWaldmann | Kapace: you want to file a new bug there? | 01:34 |
| Kapace | ThomasWaldmann, ok | 01:34 |
| Kapace | ThomasWaldmann, uh-oh, it seems to be an intermittent problem, check again now | 01:43 |
| ThomasWaldmann | hmm | 01:44 |
| ThomasWaldmann | well, nevertheless it was/is a bug | 01:45 |
| Kapace | it may be difficult to convince them :P | 01:51 |
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| svaksha | SRabbelier: a quick note to say melange still throws an error while submitting the mentor form. | 04:46 |
| svaksha | this time its "Invalid characters, only A-z, 0-9, - and whitespace are allowed." in the street address field which i've not changed. | 04:46 |
| kiko_ | svaksha: dont use dot or comma | 04:48 |
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| svaksha | kiko_: that entry is old (since gsoc) which i've not changed at all | 05:00 |
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| svaksha | kiko_: also, its hard to write indian addresses without comma, as they are long...letters would never reach their destination | 05:01 |
| svaksha | melange has just 2 fields which is insufficient for a complete address | 05:02 |
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| dukeleto | yay, i can edit tasks! | 05:54 |
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| dukeleto | SRabbelier: the only action i have on http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/parrot_perl_foundations/t129029991948 is "comment without action" | 06:03 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8-7C> (at www.google-melange.com) | 06:03 |
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| dreimark | SRabbelier: see query from me | 06:36 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: is that because i edited it? | 06:50 |
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| aviraldg | kiko: I have some things that I need to know about the factoroids task. | 08:43 |
| aviraldg | kiko_: I have some things that I need to know about the factoroids task. | 08:43 |
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| madrazr | aviraldg: like? | 09:08 |
| madrazr | aviraldg: ah sorry | 09:08 |
| madrazr | did not see that it was addressed to kiko_ :P | 09:09 |
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| aviraldg | madrazr: you wouldn't happen to know something about it, would you? | 09:14 |
| madrazr | aviraldg: definitely not :) | 09:14 |
| aviraldg | hmmm... | 09:15 |
| aviraldg | okay | 09:15 |
| aviraldg | They should definitely provide some contact details for all mentors... because in some cases, the tasks are not very clera | 09:15 |
| aviraldg | *clear | 09:15 |
| fyskij | hi, there's an upload form in melange? | 09:17 |
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| aviraldg | fyskij: yes. | 09:20 |
| fyskij | where? | 09:20 |
| aviraldg | fyskij: you'll find it below the task description | 09:20 |
| fyskij | uhm | 09:21 |
| fyskij | thanks | 09:21 |
| aviraldg | if btw. | 09:21 |
| aviraldg | *btw. | 09:21 |
| aviraldg | that will only be show if | 09:21 |
| aviraldg | you're assigned to the task | 09:21 |
| fyskij | yeah but i don't see anything | 09:21 |
| fyskij | below the description there's comments | 09:22 |
| fyskij | You have claimed this task! | 09:22 |
| aviraldg | yeah | 09:22 |
| aviraldg | now selec | 09:22 |
| aviraldg | Action > | 09:22 |
| fyskij | ah submit work | 09:22 |
| fyskij | etc | 09:22 |
| aviraldg | Submit work and request for review | 09:22 |
| fyskij | tight? | 09:22 |
| fyskij | right* | 09:22 |
| fyskij | thanks | 09:22 |
| aviraldg | and then it'll show the field | 09:22 |
| fyskij | thanks! | 09:22 |
| aviraldg | you're welcome | 09:23 |
| kiko_ | right now, the main mentor is quite busy, so im standing as a proxy to provie some answer to some questions to the task | 09:26 |
| aviraldg | kiko_: How many waves are there? ("infinite"?) | 09:27 |
| aviraldg | kiko_: Once the "base" number limit hits 17 ... what happens? Do you keep using the same pool of numbers? | 09:28 |
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| svaksha | While trying to view the task list on melange, I get a script error "A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete. " | 09:37 |
| svaksha | Script: http://www.google-melange.com/jlinq/jLinq-2.2.1.js:59 | 09:37 |
| svaksha | stopping the script does not help | 09:37 |
| aviraldg | svaksha: for now the only "solution" is to use Google Chrome | 09:38 |
| svaksha | aviraldg: you get the same error on FF? | 09:38 |
| * svaksha wonders if filing a bug would help | 09:38 | |
| aviraldg | yes | 09:39 |
| aviraldg | I believe they're trying to fix it | 09:39 |
| aviraldg | already | 09:40 |
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| tale | On the list_tasks/google/cgi2010 page, the columns "Total Hours to Complete" and "Time To Complete" seem to be the same info, only unit is hours or days. Are these columns OK? | 09:45 |
| kiko_ | tale, exactly | 09:47 |
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| madrazr | svaksha: aviraldg: to correct things | 10:06 |
| madrazr | we are not "trying" to fix it | 10:06 |
| aviraldg | you are fixing it, yes? | 10:06 |
| madrazr | we are open to feedback from users as to how we can better enable their experience | 10:06 |
| madrazr | aviraldg: people asked for a "List All Tasks" page during GCI Dry Run period and we have provided it | 10:07 |
| madrazr | aviraldg: and with something like 700 or 800 or whatever number of active tasks, there is a large amount of data to be loaded to lists | 10:07 |
| aviraldg | madrazr: uh ... sorry for putting it like that | 10:07 |
| madrazr | svaksha: it may be relevant to you also ^ | 10:07 |
| svaksha | madrazr: i've filed a bug 1024 for the most important (for me) bit <-- inability to accept a mentor notification | 10:07 |
| aviraldg | I remember SRabbelier (or someone else) posting something about trying to fix that | 10:07 |
| aviraldg | so I replied | 10:08 |
| madrazr | aviraldg: yes, we had a conference call yesterday and had discussion about the same | 10:08 |
| madrazr | aviraldg: we are open to feedback, if you have any suggestions, we are happy to listen to it and possibly if many people agree about that we will implement it | 10:08 |
| svaksha | madrazr: earlier folks would be able to list tasks by org <-- maybe that would reduce the load | 10:09 |
| madrazr | svaksha: you can still do that | 10:09 |
| madrazr | svaksha: Click on "List of participating organizations" -> Go to individual Org | 10:10 |
| aviraldg | madrazr: sure | 10:10 |
| madrazr | the Organization home page lists all the tasks for the Organization | 10:10 |
| svaksha | madrazr: ok | 10:10 |
| madrazr | svaksha: but this doesn't solve the prpblem | 10:10 |
| svaksha | madrazr: for me atleast it doesnt | 10:10 |
| madrazr | svaksha: there are always students who don't care which Organization they want the task to be of, but want say task with "Moderate" difficulty level or lower which can be completed in 48 hours | 10:10 |
| madrazr | svaksha: give me the URL | 10:11 |
| svaksha | madrazr: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1024&sort=priority&colspec=ID%20Priority%20Status%20Type%20Owner%20Milestone%20Effort%20Skills%20Summary | 10:11 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8-$g> (at code.google.com) | 10:11 |
| madrazr | svaksha: you are confusing stuff? | 10:11 |
| madrazr | svaksha: btw why would you want to have dots/commas in your address? | 10:11 |
| madrazr | svaksha: I have an Indian address as well | 10:12 |
| madrazr | svaksha: Room number so&so Such a hostel IIT-whichever PINCODE India | 10:12 |
| madrazr | svaksha: I can write my address like that without comma | 10:12 |
| svaksha | madrazr: i cant give an address without commas (scroll up for kiko_ comments) | 10:12 |
| madrazr | svaksha: the courier guy can still understand it | 10:12 |
| aviraldg | madrazr: IIT :) | 10:12 |
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| madrazr | svaksha: why not? | 10:13 |
| svaksha | madrazr: IIT is not all of india | 10:13 |
| madrazr | svaksha: that was an example | 10:13 |
| svaksha | and i've not changed the address, so why is it suddenly rejecting | 10:13 |
| madrazr | svaksha: do you want me to give my house address without comma and dots? :P | 10:13 |
| aviraldg | no ... I meant ... madrazr ... you're a student at IIT? | 10:13 |
| svaksha | madrazr: that is not the point | 10:14 |
| madrazr | aviraldg: no I am Research staff at IIT Bombay | 10:14 |
| aviraldg | nice :) | 10:14 |
| madrazr | svaksha: cool! the point is you can still give address without commas or dots right? | 10:14 |
| aviraldg | yeah | 10:14 |
| aviraldg | I entered my the "normal" way and it rejected it | 10:14 |
| aviraldg | so I entered it without the commas | 10:14 |
| svaksha | madrazr: the point is, its the same address (with commas) that i used during gsoc, not changed, so why is it rejecting? | 10:15 |
| svaksha | the commas have not been added now, so if it accepted it earlier, what is the problem in the system now? | 10:15 |
| svaksha | madrazr: it would be nicer if you checked why this new error cropped up | 10:16 |
| madrazr | svaksha: because we changed our form validator | 10:17 |
| madrazr | svaksha: If I remember correctly that is | 10:17 |
| svaksha | madrazr: exactly, so its not the users fault then | 10:17 |
| madrazr | svaksha: I don't think so | 10:17 |
| madrazr | svaksha: you can enter the address without commas for now, and become the mentor and help students | 10:18 |
| madrazr | svaksha: SRabbelier knows exactly about cleaners and stuff, when he has time later during the day I am quite sure he will answer to issue 1024 | 10:18 |
| madrazr | svaksha: s/cleaners/validators/ | 10:18 |
| madrazr | svaksha: you can always edit your mentor form and hence your address | 10:19 |
| madrazr | aviraldg: cool! | 10:19 |
| svaksha | madrazr: i can enter another address (which would be useless) so my point being, i cant remove the commas as the address wont make sense to the person who delivers stuff. IIRC, the point of GCI/GSOC asking for address is for a purpose and that is lost if you have strict validators. | 10:20 |
| svaksha | madrazr: please do point SRabbelier to this discussion if you get a chance | 10:21 |
| madrazr | svaksha: most of the validators other than those of common sense are not because Melange developers want it that way | 10:21 |
| madrazr | svaksha: it is mostly because Google's shipping dept or some other dept want it that way | 10:21 |
| aviraldg | actually if you have a two line address (house number and street) then you shouldn't have a problem with removing the commas | 10:22 |
| madrazr | svaksha: I still don't understand why removing comma won't make sense | 10:22 |
| svaksha | madrazr: i'm not aware of the details so i wont comment on those or the internals. However my point about the address being useless sans commas is a valid problem. It would be nicer if you (or someone else) understood this. | 10:22 |
| * svaksha has to go now | 10:22 | |
| madrazr | svaksha: I am sorry, I really don't see it at all and hence don't understand. I have a very very long permanent address (Indian address), not of IIT. And if I remove commas it doesn't change much | 10:23 |
| madrazr | of course it looks a bit awkward to the postman/courier guy because we won't write it that way as convention in India | 10:24 |
| madrazr | but they can still make out the address | 10:24 |
| madrazr | svaksha: see you | 10:24 |
| madrazr | svaksha: and it definitely doesn't make sense, if we provided you to enter commas and the courier company stripped those commas in the way they want and messed up your address | 10:25 |
| svaksha | madrazr: that isnt true for all parts of our country. I've had trouble with couriers who refuse to deliver packages if the address is written jumbled in a single or two lines. | 10:25 |
| madrazr | so it is much better you provide the address as best as possible | 10:25 |
| svaksha | madrazr: it would help if you could see others perspective. just because you have no problems does not mean its true for others | 10:26 |
| svaksha | aviraldg: in india, its usually a bit long, say, "opp...building name" "near...another landmark" etc.. | 10:27 |
| madrazr | svaksha: I agree your point here, but I am failing to see the problem here. I am failing to see, how will "just stripping out" commas change things | 10:27 |
| svaksha | madrazr: because it does not allow me to submit the form with commas. | 10:27 |
| aviraldg | madrazr : can anyone work on the melange project? | 10:27 |
| aviraldg | (as in contribute patches) | 10:27 |
| madrazr | aviraldg: why not? It is an open source project | 10:27 |
| madrazr | contribute patches | 10:28 |
| aviraldg | hmmm ... nice ... I can have a look then | 10:28 |
| svaksha | aviraldg: thanks :) | 10:28 |
| madrazr | svaksha: anyways, we have reached a moot point now. I don't see much point in continuing further with this discussion. Issue 1024 exists. If Sverre thinks we can add it back we will | 10:28 |
| madrazr | svaksha: it is left to his decision now | 10:28 |
| madrazr | aviraldg: awesome! we will be happy to receive patches from you | 10:29 |
| madrazr | :) | 10:29 |
| madrazr | aviraldg: more contributers, the merrier | 10:29 |
| svaksha | madrazr: yes, you refuse to see my perspective and that isnt helping the discussion | 10:29 |
| madrazr | svaksha: sure | 10:29 |
| * svaksha leaves | 10:29 | |
| madrazr | svaksha: see you | 10:29 |
| aviraldg | madrazr: yeah | 10:30 |
| madrazr | svaksha: I can tell you now, the code comment clearly says this field must comply with Google's character requirements for shipping. From the code "Clean method for cleaning a field that must comply with Google's character requirements for shipping" | 10:33 |
| madrazr | So this is a requirement from Google | 10:33 |
| madrazr | if we allow you to put commas also, it will be very likely stripped later | 10:33 |
| madrazr | and we don't want to give false impressions on Melange | 10:34 |
| svaksha | madrazr: will google know where to punctuate my address later? | 10:36 |
| madrazr | svaksha: I don't know how to explain it to you | 10:37 |
| fyskij | You have successfully completed this task. Sign up as a student before you proceed further. | 10:38 |
| fyskij | what means? | 10:38 |
| aviraldg | fyskij: click on the "Register As A Student" link in the sidebar | 10:39 |
| aviraldg | you need to fill out some details | 10:39 |
| svaksha | madrazr: if you dont want commas, then increase the fields so people could provide the information google needs. to repeat myself, what works for one person may not be true for others. | 10:39 |
| madrazr | fyskij: It means you have to register on the site as a student | 10:40 |
| svaksha | madrazr: right now i have not changed anything in that form and yet it rejects it. how do you plan to solve this problem is what i'm interested in, not arguing about melange or gci | 10:40 |
| madrazr | fyskij: you must be able to see a Apply as a student link on your left hand sidebar | 10:41 |
| fyskij | madrazr, ok thanks | 10:41 |
| madrazr | svaksha: I don't know if we will solve this problem. If I were the one who was supposed to make the final call, I would have left it as is. | 10:42 |
| madrazr | svaksha: But fortunately for you, there is Sverre or Carol. If they think we should make this thing possible, we will fix it for you | 10:42 |
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| svaksha | madrazr: my short term goal is mentoring, not nitpicking melange development. But since it stops me from mentoring I had to file a bug. Just to be clear. | 10:44 |
| madrazr | svaksha: sure, we are really happy that you filed a bug | 10:45 |
| madrazr | svaksha: I am not telling anything against it, we love people filing bugs. It is the best way to get feedback and improve | 10:45 |
| madrazr | svaksha: I was arguing about this only to know how things change for you | 10:45 |
| svaksha | madrazr: its the difference between a package/letter reaching and not. If Google didnt need that address for a purpose, they would not be asking ..right? Hence its my job to provide the correct addresss and do it right the first time, instead of bugging Carol later. | 10:47 |
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| madrazr | svaksha: definitely, they want address for a reason. You might have seen Carol's mail on gci-discuss list :) | 10:50 |
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| madrazr | svaksha: just to bring some liveliness to this discussion, how about putting "COMMA" :D :D | 10:53 |
| madrazr | ? | 10:53 |
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| svaksha | madrazr: sounds nice, but not sure how workable it will be. Cant discuss more now, bit busy. see ya later | 11:03 |
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| madrazr | svaksha: was just kidding. See you and thanks for your time and filing the issue. We will update you about it ASAP | 11:04 |
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| dreimark | madrazr: we have a closed tasks which has still NeedsReview tag | 11:20 |
| dreimark | http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129037966078 | 11:20 |
| dreimark | SRabbelier: ^ | 11:21 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8-+i> (at www.google-melange.com) | 11:21 |
| dreimark | not sure who of you is responsible ;) | 11:21 |
| madrazr | dreimark: any of us. Melange team is :P | 11:21 |
| dreimark | it is fixed iteslefs | 11:22 |
| madrazr | dreimark: The task is closed | 11:22 |
| dreimark | it has a delay | 11:22 |
| madrazr | dreimark: delay as in? | 11:22 |
| dreimark | now it appears in the right table | 11:22 |
| madrazr | dreimark: blame appengine :) | 11:22 |
| dreimark | another question i got this morning | 11:22 |
| madrazr | dreimark: yes? | 11:23 |
| dreimark | why can no mentors of moin suggest tasks | 11:23 |
| dreimark | List of non-public tasks. | 11:23 |
| dreimark | http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/list_org_tasks/google/gci2010/moinmoin | 11:23 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8+l1> (at www.google-melange.com) | 11:23 |
| madrazr | dreimark: I cannot view this page because I am not registered as mentor/org admin on your org | 11:24 |
| madrazr | dreimark: but I did not quite get the problem | 11:24 |
| madrazr | dreimark: if somebody has registered as mentor to your organization, he can suggest tasks | 11:24 |
| dreimark | is it not needed to approve the mentorship? | 11:25 |
| madrazr | dreimark: it is | 11:25 |
| madrazr | dreimark: he is not a mentor until you approve the mentorship | 11:25 |
| dreimark | you mean if i add me to e.g. debian i immiadetly can add tasks? without any communication to them? | 11:27 |
| * fyskij is away: I'm busy | 11:28 | |
| madrazr | dreimark: you cannot add yourself as mentor without communication with the org admin | 11:30 |
| madrazr | dreimark: you have to apply to become a mentor, which the org admin accepts and sends you an invite | 11:30 |
| madrazr | dreimark: you have to accept the invite to fill up the mentor profile form on which you become the mentor | 11:30 |
| madrazr | dreimark: for Debian | 11:31 |
| madrazr | dreimark: you "must" go through this 3-way handshake | 11:31 |
| madrazr | dreimark: only then you can suggest tasks | 11:31 |
| dreimark | is this verified? | 11:31 |
| dreimark | because we require for becoming mentor approvment to talk to us on irc | 11:32 |
| dreimark | and there was no talk to us | 11:32 |
| dreimark | but there is a task now | 11:32 |
| dreimark | ThomasWaldmann: ^ | 11:32 |
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| dreimark | (the task is not a bad one, but it would be easier if communicated first) | 11:36 |
| madrazr | dreimark: I think yes | 11:36 |
| dreimark | the mentor is unknown to us, i guess it is a bug | 11:38 |
| dreimark | bbl | 11:39 |
| madrazr | dreimark: Oh! | 11:40 |
| dreimark | madrazr: solved, thomas accepted | 11:40 |
| dreimark | him | 11:40 |
| madrazr | dreimark: see :) | 11:41 |
| dreimark | without telling | 11:41 |
| dreimark | yeah | 11:41 |
| madrazr | dreimark: Melange is not so crappy :P | 11:41 |
| dreimark | madrazr: yeah, i know - that was confusing | 11:42 |
| madrazr | dreimark: :) | 11:43 |
| * dreimark gets some lunch bbl now | 11:43 | |
| ThomasWaldmann | it was partly because mentors can't see who else is mentor, seems like only org admins have that view | 11:57 |
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| aviraldg | kiko: I've completed the task. | 12:35 |
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| _kiko | hi, where can I request to approve the newly added suggested task? | 13:56 |
| madrazr | _kiko: there is no place for that | 13:58 |
| madrazr | _kiko: you need to basically ask your OrgAdmin | 13:58 |
| _kiko | madrazr: thanks for the info. | 13:59 |
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| DrJoel | SRabbelier: Good Morning.. do you have a second to look at a task causing an error? We have one task which gives a server error. The student is ready for review but we can't :( | 14:10 |
| DrJoel | http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/rtems/t128933973062#c8002 | 14:10 |
| SRabbelier | DrJoel: yeah, I'm deploying the fix now :) | 14:11 |
| DrJoel | SRabbelier: Thanks. Is everyone as much trouble as we are? I feel like we keep breaking things | 14:11 |
| SRabbelier | DrJoel: hahah, everybody is breaking stuff left and right | 14:11 |
| DrJoel | I am glad for me that it is not just us but feel sorry for you. :( | 14:12 |
| SRabbelier | DrJoel: haha, np :) | 14:12 |
| DrJoel | I may have another weird one | 14:13 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: we are ready for the challenge. Break however we want. I will rise against the challenge :P | 14:13 |
| madrazr | s/however we/however you/ | 14:13 |
| DrJoel | That's great madrazr !!! | 14:13 |
| madrazr | :P | 14:13 |
| madrazr | s/I will/We will/ | 14:13 |
| DrJoel | I was helping my son register last night and sign up for a Wesnoth task... I ended up having to help him .. Here is the path | 14:14 |
| DrJoel | Start here http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/index.html.. click on Wesnoth | 14:14 |
| DrJoel | that has a list of tasks at the bottom | 14:14 |
| DrJoel | click on the first one ... There is no such published task. | 14:14 |
| SRabbelier | DrJoel: that's curious | 14:16 |
| DrJoel | that's what I thought .. | 14:16 |
| DrJoel | FWIW he has a P4/2.6 Ghz computer with 768MB RAM.. Win XP and Firefox .. not awesome but should be good enough to do load the entire list of tasks. It took FOREVER.. when it finally got through loading it, it was fine. | 14:18 |
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| SRabbelier | DrJoel: heh, okay | 14:20 |
| SRabbelier | DrJoel: for your pleasure: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1028 | 14:21 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8-AT> (at code.google.com) | 14:21 |
| DrJoel | What causes that? | 14:24 |
| DrJoel | is that our server 500 error? | 14:24 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: sloppy me :) | 14:28 |
| DrJoel | madrazr: :( it happens.. you guys are slinging code like mad (pun intended) | 14:33 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: heh that was a nice one :) | 14:35 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: thanks for understanding | 14:35 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: I think I have fixed that 500, but I am also on fixing the problem you had Wesnoth | 14:35 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: we will deploy the new release once that is fixed | 14:35 |
| DrJoel | thanks.. | 14:51 |
| DrJoel | FWIW the "loading... loading..." does take a long time .. I don't know what can be done about it. We use a FOSS tables.js for some sortable tables on test reports for RTEMS and they are amazingly faster http://www.rtems.org/ftp/pub/rtems/people/joel/coverage/erc32-O2pd-20101021-1831/uncovered.html | 14:52 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8-B9> (at www.rtems.org) | 14:52 |
| SRabbelier | DrJoel: it's not the JS that's slow | 14:56 |
| SRabbelier | DrJoel: just takes the server a while | 14:56 |
| SRabbelier | DrJoel: it's a lot of data :P | 14:56 |
| aviraldg | SRabbelier: why does it hang, then? | 14:57 |
| SRabbelier | aviraldg: ah, that _is_ a client side problem, I'll admit | 14:58 |
| SRabbelier | but I somewhat doubt that tables.js will be that much faster with this much data | 14:58 |
| aviraldg | + I was monitoring network traffic when the loading screen was shown and there was little to no traffic | 14:58 |
| SRabbelier | DrJoel: the rtems task is fixed | 15:08 |
| SRabbelier | DrJoel: and http://socghop.appspot.com/gci/org/home/google/gci2010/wesnoth no longer lists task that aren't available | 15:08 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8-BQ> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 15:08 |
| DrJoel | ahhh.. that was the problem | 15:12 |
| DrJoel | and the 500 server error is fixed. Thank you. I will tell Jennifer it needs reviewing.. | 15:13 |
| DrJoel | maybe we have our second task completed | 15:13 |
| DrJoel | Task was for logo design.. check this out: http://img401.imageshack.us/i/rtemswhitebg.jpg/ | 15:39 |
| tpb | Title: ImageShack: Host and Share your Photos and Videos - rtemswhitebg.jpg (at img401.imageshack.us) | 15:39 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: IIT Bombay doesn't like you :P "Access Currently Denied! IIT Bombay web access is designed to cater to your ACADEMIC needs." | 16:09 |
| DrJoel | madrazr: :( | 16:14 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: I have tunnels :P I just enabled it. Seeing the logo now | 16:15 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: I am just amazed to know the power of small tasks and hence GCI | 16:15 |
| madrazr | :) | 16:15 |
| DrJoel | what do you think? | 16:16 |
| DrJoel | She did a version on black and it would look awesome on a black t-shirt | 16:16 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: this is freaking awesome! RTEMS should make a call to change the logo with this one :P | 16:16 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: I just saw that too, on the task (because that was the one with error) | 16:16 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: the black one is much more awesome. It looks like fireworks in the dark sky. | 16:17 |
| DrJoel | I thought so too. I asked her if she was willing to make a Christmas version of it. If she is willing, it becomes a new task. I think it would look cool with a Christmas them. | 16:17 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: ha ha you are clever ;-) Christmas coming close ... | 16:18 |
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| DrJoel | Both look great. Depends on what you are using them for and the color scheme. | 16:18 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: this one with black background looks so grand | 16:18 |
| madrazr | DrJoel: yeah agreed :) | 16:19 |
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| MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: The assigned mentor list on tasks, does that actually do anything? | 17:38 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: it allows the mentor to change the status of the item | 17:38 |
| SRabbelier | s/item/task | 17:39 |
| MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: So, every time I add a mentor I need to go through all the tasks and all them? | 17:39 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: ... assuming you want all the mentors to be responsible for all the tasks... then yes? | 17:39 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: the epxected workflow is that a mentor "owns" a task | 17:39 |
| MatthewWilkes | Right… so I can't just have a group of people that have access to accept requests and review work, I need to specifically add new ones as they sign up | 17:40 |
| MatthewWilkes | and if a task is missed out everyone is blocked until an admin comes along and adds a new mentor | 17:41 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: each task has at least one mentor, so there should be no "blocking" | 17:41 |
| MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: So, once it has a mentor assigned any mentor can edit it? | 17:42 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: no, just the mentor that's assigned to it | 17:42 |
| MatthewWilkes | So it is blocked until that mentor is back online/awake/etc | 17:42 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: yes | 17:42 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: sounds like you need a different kind of workflow | 17:42 |
| MatthewWilkes | Sorry, I shouldn't have assumed it would be the same as last time | 17:43 |
| MatthewWilkes | if I had realised I wouldn't have assigned them all to me for expediency's sake | 17:43 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: wait | 17:43 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: looks like I'm wrong | 17:43 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: apparently any mentor in your organization can change the task status | 17:43 |
| MatthewWilkes | that's great news | 17:44 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: sorry for the confusion :P | 17:44 |
| * MatthewWilkes is dealing with "That's too confusing, can't you just email me?" | 17:44 | |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: what is too confusing? | 17:45 |
| MatthewWilkes | the melange site | 17:45 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: It's not that hard :P | 17:45 |
| MatthewWilkes | Meh, it's annoying enough for me and I know it, I'm having difficulty getting people to step up, my problem, not yours | 17:46 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: we'll be hiring EchoDitto to improve the GCI ui as well, but if you have any usability improvement suggestions now, more than welcome :) | 17:47 |
| MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Sure, ditch the jquery tables and use things that don't cause the page to jump around like crazy ;) | 17:48 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: jump around? | 17:49 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: any suggestions on how to present 500 entities to the user in such a way that they can search it, filter it, and sort it? | 17:49 |
| MatthewWilkes | the tables load at different times after page load, causes you to be suddenly looking at the wrong table | 17:49 |
| MatthewWilkes | Web pages shouldn't have the content area move around after load, we both know this, and we both know the reason you have to do it | 17:50 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: we've contemplated not populating the lists till loading is done :P | 17:50 |
| madrazr | MatthewWilkes: SRabbelier: Just to make this discussion more lively, we all three know that we use Appengine :) | 17:51 |
| * MatthewWilkes spits on the ground | 17:51 | |
| MatthewWilkes | PoS tech ;) | 17:51 |
| madrazr | MatthewWilkes: Isn't that illegal? ;-) | 17:51 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: it's actually scaling pretty nicely, we had a surge of traffic yesterday when the program started, and it didn't phase it | 17:52 |
| MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: It's scaling nicely because you've had to write shitty unusable forms to get around its limitations | 17:52 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: unusable forms? | 17:53 |
| MatthewWilkes | like the view tasks list | 17:53 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: would a SQL database handle a 500-row query fast enough? | 17:54 |
| MatthewWilkes | dude, I don't give a shit about the technical implementation here, you know I know what the problems are, but there ARE problems that you've had to work around which makes some bits of the webapp less than nice to use | 17:55 |
| MatthewWilkes | Sorry, I'm a user today, not a casual contributor ;) | 17:56 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: Sure, that's true, but our problem right now seems to be client-side performance more than GAE being slow | 17:56 |
| MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: And the reason that's your problem is because you're using these datagrid things instead of a normal HTML UI | 17:57 |
| MatthewWilkes | because you can't use a normal UI, because GAE can't handle it | 17:57 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: That wouldn't solve users wanting to sort though, would it? | 17:57 |
| MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Dude, you can sort on google code's issue tracker | 17:57 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: although I guess you could do a "full" page refresh when changing the sort order | 17:57 |
| MatthewWilkes | like almost every web app in the world ;) | 17:58 |
| SRabbelier | awr | 17:58 |
| SRabbelier | btw | 17:58 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/list | 17:58 |
| tpb | Title: Issues - chromium - Project Hosting on Google Code (at code.google.com) | 17:58 |
| SRabbelier | notice that it's paginated :P | 17:58 |
| MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Notice it shows more than 5 items and doesn't have multiple grids on the page? | 17:59 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: we can join the multiple grids if that's your main issue | 17:59 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: and I can set the default list size to a higher number too | 17:59 |
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| MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: It's a big issue for me, but don't know if that will help with the current layout, the filter for status isn't an enum, for example | 18:04 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: that can easily be fixed too | 18:05 |
| MatthewWilkes | That would probably be awesome then, for me anyway | 18:05 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: can you create a http://tinyurl.com/new-issue for those things? | 18:05 |
| tpb | Title: Google Project Hosting (at tinyurl.com) | 18:05 |
| MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: Sure, later though, I'm cat herding now the work day is over | 18:06 |
| MatthewWilkes | managed to sign up 2 new mentors by direct bugging | 18:06 |
| SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: sweet, good luck with that then :) | 18:06 |
| MatthewWilkes | :) | 18:07 |
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| dukeleto | It would be pretty awesome if ClaimRequests were in a different section than Claimed tasks. Should I add a ticket for that? | 19:21 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: ^^^ | 19:22 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: in which view? | 19:22 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: the "org admin viewing all tasks" view | 19:23 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: heh, MatthewWillekes actually asked for those views to be combined and instead have the Status column have a dropdown | 19:24 |
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| dukeleto | MatthewWilkes-- | 19:25 |
| dukeleto | MatthewWilkes-- | 19:25 |
| SRabbelier | lol | 19:25 |
| SRabbelier | why do you want multiple lists? | 19:26 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: i am supposed to take action on http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/parrot_perl_foundations/t129033176090 but my only action is "comment without action" | 19:26 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8-HM> (at www.google-melange.com) | 19:26 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: :( | 19:26 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: it seems that the task expired, and got 24hrs added to it automagically? | 19:26 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: action needed by the student | 19:26 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: hmm. hokey dokey | 19:28 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: you can fight out http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1029 with matthew :P | 19:30 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8-HR> (at code.google.com) | 19:30 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: my time is too valuable. But thanks for trolling :) | 19:31 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: he, what am I supposed to do with you two | 19:32 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: your turn @ issue 1029 :P | 19:38 |
| * DrJoel wonders why dukeletos' | 19:46 | |
| * DrJoel wonders why dukeletos' opinion would matter LOL | 19:46 | |
| * SRabbelier has good news | 19:46 | |
| SRabbelier | Mario achieved a couple order of magnitude speedup on the Melange lists | 19:47 |
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| DrJoel | YEAH!! | 19:52 |
| SRabbelier | DrJoel: give them a try :) | 19:54 |
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| dukeleto | SRabbelier: it is possible to turn off the horrific javascript WYSIWYG editor for input forms? Is there a user config option for that? | 20:05 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: it makes It's All Text not work => :( | 20:05 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: I'm glad you asked | 20:05 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: yes, yes there is | 20:05 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: it's pretty obivous and huge too | 20:05 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: try the "Edit user profile" link ;) | 20:05 |
| dukeleto | Disable tinymce! | 20:06 |
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| SRabbelier | dukeleto: indeed! | 20:06 |
| * dukeleto will be 20 times more efficient now | 20:07 | |
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| dukeleto | Be afraid. | 20:07 |
| * SRabbelier is afraid, very afraid | 20:07 | |
| * DrJoel says the master task list takes 9 seconds to load for me now.. still appears to be refreshing after that but much better | 20:10 | |
| DrJoel | dukeleto can now create bugs 20 times faster | 20:11 |
| SRabbelier | DrJoel: that's just server latency I think | 20:11 |
| DrJoel | probably.. a reload appeared to be a bit faster | 20:11 |
| DrJoel | ping time for me to google-melange.com is 25-75 ms | 20:12 |
| SRabbelier | DrJoel: s/server latency/appengine being a slow pita/ | 20:12 |
| DrJoel | :) but still much better... | 20:14 |
| * DrJoel hopes his son gets his task finished today | 20:15 | |
| dukeleto | DrJoel: is he doing an rtems task? | 20:16 |
| DrJoel | no.. that is against the rules as I understand them.. he is doing a Wesnoth task | 20:16 |
| DrJoel | they are more fun | 20:16 |
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| ThomasWaldmann | moin :) | 20:18 |
| rfw | hi | 20:18 |
| rfw | i'm doing GCI and i think i found a bug in melange | 20:18 |
| rfw | this 7 day task i have tells me i have 56 minutes left | 20:18 |
| ThomasWaldmann | we had that also :) | 20:18 |
| rfw | ah | 20:19 |
| ThomasWaldmann | did you claim 4 minutes ago? | 20:19 |
| rfw | i don't _really_ have 56 minutes left do i | 20:19 |
| rfw | no | 20:19 |
| rfw | i claimed yesterday | 20:19 |
| ThomasWaldmann | 1day and 4 minutes ago? | 20:19 |
| rfw | oh | 20:19 |
| rfw | someone just forgot to put the date in the format string? | 20:19 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: is there a public view to list all tasks for an organization? | 20:20 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: just one org, not all orgs tasks | 20:20 |
| ThomasWaldmann | rfw: make screenshots and file a bug | 20:20 |
| ThomasWaldmann | rfw: the bug might vanish again in 55 minutes | 20:20 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: yes | 20:20 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: it's linked to from the "accepted orgs" page | 20:20 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: you sure? | 20:21 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: i am looking at http://www.google-melange.com/gci/program/accepted_orgs/google/gci2010 | 20:21 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: only if the org has created a home document; I've got a fix brewing that will automatically create it if they haven't made one | 20:21 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: and when i click on an org, i get their profile | 20:21 |
| tpb | Title: List all accepted organizations (at www.google-melange.com) | 20:21 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: yeah, if it says /show instead of /home... | 20:21 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: but where is the list of an Orgs task list? | 20:21 |
| nattofriends | type the org's name in and press enter | 20:22 |
| dukeleto | a home document? | 20:22 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: where do i create such a thing? | 20:22 |
| nattofriends | in the show all tasks page | 20:22 |
| dukeleto | Of course, how intuitive... | 20:22 |
| SRabbelier | nattofriends: that's not what I meant | 20:22 |
| nattofriends | o | 20:23 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/org/home/google/gci2010/plone | 20:23 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8-IV> (at www.google-melange.com) | 20:23 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: like that | 20:23 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: or http://www.google-melange.com/gci/org/home/google/gci2010/wesnoth | 20:23 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/8-IX> (at www.google-melange.com) | 20:23 |
| rfw | there, reported | 20:26 |
| rfw | oh there's a nattofriends in here too | 20:26 |
| nattofriends | why hello rfw | 20:27 |
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| fy | The server encountered an error and could not complete your request. | 20:51 |
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| kreneskyp | also getting a server error, some students reported it to me too | 21:20 |
| jacktheripper | here too. What's up with it ? | 21:22 |
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| fy | The server encountered an error and could not complete your request. | 22:03 |
| c_schmitz | yep, same here | 22:03 |
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| c_schmitz | looks like it is down | 22:03 |
| jacktheripper | :S | 22:03 |
| c_schmitz | ah, it is back | 22:05 |
| jacktheripper | good | 22:06 |
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| dukeleto | what does a "featured" document mean? | 23:16 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: ^^^ | 23:16 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: shows up in the sidebar for your organization | 23:17 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: how do i make a "home" document, so i can see all my orgs tasks listed below it? | 23:17 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: says so in the help text.. | 23:17 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: just make a document, and set it's link id in your org profile | 23:17 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: which help text? | 23:18 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: the one you see when you click on the box :D | 23:18 |
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| dukeleto | SRabbelier: is melange planning a "preview" mode for editing stuff? | 23:37 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: editing stuff? | 23:37 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: TinyMCE is our preview mode ;P | 23:38 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: that is sick and twisted | 23:40 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: but I should expect that by now... | 23:40 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: everybody seems to be doing just fine with it ;) | 23:41 |
| dukeleto | SRabbelier: of course they are. You can | 23:41 |
| dukeleto | 't hear someone scream on the interwebs. | 23:41 |
| * dukeleto blames the cat for an early <Enter> | 23:41 | |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: Exactly! | 23:41 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: in fact, I think that should be a macro | 23:44 |
| SRabbelier | dukeleto: "On the internet, nobody hears you scream" | 23:44 |
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