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| zx2c4 | shorne: i dont quite understand what madness has befallen folks about m68k | 09:58 |
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| zx2c4 | it *just* landed | 09:58 |
| zx2c4 | it's buggy | 09:58 |
| zx2c4 | why cant they just fix it | 09:58 |
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| zx2c4 | oh arnd is in here good | 10:04 |
| arnd | hi | 10:04 |
| arnd | I argued for ages with Laurent, he always insisted that qemu cannot be fixed for m68k, I guess because he or someone else has old versions of it that he wants to keep using | 10:05 |
| arnd | I do agree that qemu should be fixed to make m68k a special case that hardcodes the big-endian case and makes it clear that this was a mistake, while all other architectures should get the little-endian case | 10:06 |
| arnd | that is at least what we did in the kernel port: the driver defaults to little-endian, and the m68k architecture overrides the register accessors to big-endian ones | 10:06 |
| zx2c4 | https://lore.kernel.org/all/[email protected]/ | 10:07 |
| tpb | Title: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/3] hw/openrisc: Add the OpenRISC virtual machine - Jason A. Donenfeld (at lore.kernel.org) | 10:07 |
| zx2c4 | arnd: but the m68k stuff was *just* merged | 10:07 |
| zx2c4 | and | 10:07 |
| zx2c4 | even if was merged 5 years ago, it is used by 7 people max | 10:08 |
| zx2c4 | maybe closer to 3 people | 10:08 |
| arnd | zx2c4: from shorne's mail it sounds like it was merged in on 2021-03-15, which is over a year ago | 10:09 |
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| zx2c4 | Hmm but https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Virtual-m68k-Linux-5.19 | 10:15 |
| tpb | Title: Virtual Motorola 68000 "m68k" Machine With Up To 3.2GB RAM Expected For Linux 5.19 - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com) | 10:15 |
| zx2c4 | It's new in 5.19 | 10:15 |
| zx2c4 | arnd: the qemu support is from last year. the kernel support is new in 5.19 | 10:15 |
| zx2c4 | so fix the kernel to do things right | 10:16 |
| zx2c4 | and qemu will follow | 10:16 |
| zx2c4 | the fact that the kernel support hasnt even shipped further drives home the point that truly nobody is using this | 10:16 |
| arnd | I reviewed the kernel code to ensure it copes as well as it could with the broken qemu, but I've given up arguing about qemu changes | 10:17 |
| zx2c4 | arnd: just make the kernel support little endian only | 10:17 |
| zx2c4 | then you dont need to argue with qemu people | 10:17 |
| zx2c4 | if the kernel only supports properly behaving virtual hardware... | 10:18 |
| arnd | that usually just leads to the kernel not working at all on qemu. I consider qemu a platform like any other that has bugs we need to work around | 10:18 |
| zx2c4 | But this whole thing is fantasy | 10:18 |
| zx2c4 | nobody uses m68k for real. qemu isnt for real. nobody even has a shipping kernel that uses the functionality. | 10:19 |
| zx2c4 | virtual of virtual of virtual | 10:19 |
| arnd | are you sure there isn't an AmigaOS or something like that for it? | 10:19 |
| zx2c4 | that uses goldfish? O_o | 10:19 |
| arnd | I did not get the impression that this was a Linux thing at all | 10:19 |
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| shorne | zx2c4: ah, I was checking mails, not checking here, I just send another mail will read this backlog | 12:12 |
| shorne | I guess switching m68k goldfish models to big-endian is a compromise | 12:19 |
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| zx2c4 | arnd: looks like it might be a linux thing afterall according to that thread? | 14:50 |
| zx2c4 | Sort of lost now i guess | 14:50 |
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