| *** tpb has joined #tp | 00:00 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tpb | 00:00 | |
| *** bddebian has quit IRC | 01:09 | |
| *** xdotx has quit IRC | 01:56 | |
| *** xdotx has joined #tp | 01:59 | |
| *** mithro has quit IRC | 03:50 | |
| *** mithro has joined #tp | 04:06 | |
| * mithro pokes xdotx | 04:07 | |
| xdotx | mithro: heya | 04:09 |
|---|---|---|
| mithro | xdotx: what you been up too? | 04:09 |
| mithro | got any time to do some testing? | 04:10 |
| xdotx | mithro: gonna do a couple games tomorrow with my room mate | 04:10 |
| xdotx | he was working all day today and i was workin' on a graphics proj | 04:11 |
| xdotx | mithro: i'd say let's do a game right now, but i'm 'bout to head out | 04:12 |
| mithro | xdotx: dang | 04:14 |
| mithro | xdotx: I've been trying to improve tpclient-pywx stuff | 04:15 |
| mithro | xdotx: if you do test, can you use http://git.thousandparsec.net/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=tpclient-pywx.git;a=shortlog;h=orderxrc branch | 04:15 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1eWV> (at git.thousandparsec.net) | 04:15 |
| xdotx | mithro: sure thing | 04:16 |
| mithro | that gets rid of most of the remaining legacy code | 04:17 |
| *** remaxim has joined #tp | 08:02 | |
| remaxim | hi | 08:03 |
| remaxim | sag mal was du davon hälst: http://www.box.net/shared/bhblz470g8 | 08:10 |
| tpb | Title: Box.net - Free Online File Storage, Internet File Sharing, Online Storage, Access Documents & Files Anywhere, Backup Data, Send Files (at www.box.net) | 08:10 |
| Ohm | spam | 08:11 |
| Ohm | well I have to go | 08:12 |
| remaxim | sorry, wrong window | 08:12 |
| remaxim | damn... that was for a friend of mine! I am sorry, I even didn't realize that I wrote it in this channel | 08:13 |
| remaxim | just ignore it | 08:13 |
| *** AquaFox has joined #tp | 08:48 | |
| JLP | morning all | 08:52 |
| remaxim | hi JLP | 08:52 |
| mithro | hey everyone | 08:57 |
| mithro | hey remaxim | 08:57 |
| remaxim | hi mithro | 08:57 |
| remaxim | I have to write a mailing list post ... | 08:58 |
| remaxim | I want to say goodbye to all of ya... | 08:58 |
| mithro | remaxim: well - you haven't really give us high quality versions of the music yet? | 08:58 |
| remaxim | :D ... | 08:59 |
| mithro | and with GSoC comming up, there will be loads more people around to give you feedback | 08:59 |
| mithro | hey JLP | 08:59 |
| mithro | remaxim: lastly, I was wondering if you had use/tried/looked into | 09:00 |
| remaxim | mithro, into what? | 09:01 |
| mithro | just trying to find the name again | 09:01 |
| remaxim | I don't have any idea what you're speaking of... just tell me when you found the name | 09:03 |
| mithro | I think it's http://www.ardour.org/ | 09:03 |
| tpb | Title: ardour | the new digital audio workstation (at www.ardour.org) | 09:03 |
| mithro | I found out a bunch of guys locally are using it to do some professional music stuff | 09:04 |
| remaxim | mithro, there are thousands of good music programms... | 09:06 |
| mithro | does not look like there is a windows version however | 09:06 |
| mithro | remaxim: it's free however :) | 09:06 |
| remaxim | As long as the music I am making has my copyright afterwards I really don't care ;) | 09:08 |
| mithro | remaxim: so, it would be good if you could give us some high quality - losslessly compressed versions | 09:09 |
| JLP | no answer on the m2f forums yet about our problem :( | 09:10 |
| remaxim | you can get some wavs | 09:10 |
| mithro | JLP: which is out problem? | 09:10 |
| mithro | remaxim: FLAC or similar you be fine | 09:10 |
| JLP | mithro: about the errors in m2f with regex | 09:11 |
| remaxim | mithro, I don't have any flac converter, I am sorry | 09:11 |
| remaxim | you can convert it to flac whenever you want to | 09:11 |
| mithro | JLP: oh, did you just modify the config.php? | 09:12 |
| mithro | http://flac.sourceforge.net/download.html | 09:12 |
| tpb | Title: FLAC - download (at flac.sourceforge.net) | 09:12 |
| mithro | remaxim: Wav are going to be huge? | 09:12 |
| JLP | mithro: i would need to remove { from the password, don't know if that would be ok | 09:12 |
| mithro | JLP: oh | 09:13 |
| remaxim | I ll just send you some oggs ;) | 09:13 |
| mithro | oggs != lossless | 09:13 |
| mithro | JLP: what was the regex again? | 09:13 |
| remaxim | mithro, I know ;) | 09:13 |
| remaxim | I just don't want to play around with any new converters ... | 09:14 |
| JLP | mithro: '#^\$' . $var . '\s+=\s+[\'"](\w*)[\'"];\s*$#m' | 09:14 |
| JLP | mithro: that \w doesn't allow { | 09:14 |
| JLP | remaxim: flac is essential | 09:15 |
| remaxim | you ain't going to release any flac songs in your game anyway | 09:16 |
| mithro | remaxim: but if we need to recompress to other formats | 09:17 |
| mithro | we need a high-quality lossless format | 09:17 |
| *** remaxim has left #tp | 09:17 | |
| JLP | remaxim: well but it is great to have the original in lossless format, and wav is juts huge to transfer over the internet | 09:17 |
| *** remaxim has joined #tp | 09:18 | |
| remaxim | sorry, my connection is making some troubles | 09:18 |
| remaxim | I can give you wavs ... as I already told | 09:18 |
| JLP | remaxim: well wavs are twice as large to transfer over the internet than flac | 09:18 |
| mithro | remaxim: if you have the time to upload wavs I guess we can download them | 09:20 |
| remaxim | ok | 09:20 |
| mithro | JLP: okay change the regex | 09:20 |
| mithro | replace \w with a . | 09:20 |
| mithro | '#^\$' . $var . '\s+=\s+[\'"](.*)[\'"]\s*;\s*$#ms' | 09:20 |
| mithro | that should work | 09:21 |
| JLP | mithro: ah so . means any char? | 09:21 |
| mithro | with the extra s on the end it should | 09:21 |
| mithro | JLP: http://www.thousandparsec.net/~tim/kiki.png | 09:23 |
| remaxim | I am not able to upload any of that stuff ... | 09:24 |
| remaxim | even not flacs | 09:24 |
| remaxim | there is an upload limit on my file server | 09:24 |
| mithro | remaxim: we have places you can upload | 09:26 |
| remaxim | then I have to get an account, get another software and stuff... | 09:26 |
| remaxim | mithro, that's something I wanted to talk to you anyway... my music is only under the CC-BY-SA license! in your upload page is a file that says that everything in there is GPL | 09:27 |
| JLP | mithro: ok regext changed, let's see now | 09:28 |
| JLP | mithro: yay, it worked | 09:28 |
| mithro | JLP: I recommend getting kiki | 09:28 |
| mithro | it's great way to play with/learn regex's | 09:29 |
| JLP | mithro: noted | 09:29 |
| remaxim | mithro, are you going to change that? or add a extra license file? | 09:30 |
| mithro | remaxim: we would really prefer if you released it under the GPL | 09:30 |
| remaxim | ... | 09:31 |
| remaxim | it's CC-BY-SA ... | 09:32 |
| mithro | It makes it very hard to redistribute it in distro's like debian - maybe you could dual license it? | 09:32 |
| remaxim | I am not interested in releasing songs under the GPL license... | 09:32 |
| remaxim | mithro, why? CC-BY-SA is free | 09:32 |
| mithro | remaxim: Debian has problems with it | 09:32 |
| remaxim | why??? | 09:33 |
| remaxim | there is no NC clause in it | 09:33 |
| remaxim | that's ******* free | 09:33 |
| mithro | remaxim: I would agree, but the Debian people have some problems with various parts of the legal mumbojumbo :/ | 09:34 |
| remaxim | sorry, I already told you that: no GPL music by me | 09:35 |
| mithro | why? | 09:37 |
| remaxim | hey mithro it had been you telling me that you won't accept any CC-BY-SA-NC music, only CC-BY-SA and GPL | 09:37 |
| mithro | well CC-BY-SA-NC is totally useless for us | 09:38 |
| remaxim | because it's a code license ... | 09:38 |
| mithro | CC-BY-SA is pretty good and means we can use it some of the time | 09:38 |
| mithro | but it can't be redistributed with the debian package | 09:38 |
| remaxim | mithro, I don't have the time or will to discuss it with you... yes or no | 09:39 |
| mithro | remaxim: if you release it as CC-BY-SA it will get used | 09:39 |
| mithro | but it'll probably get replaced sooner of later so we can distributed it with Debian | 09:39 |
| remaxim | great! now you have to take care that it won't be distrubuted as GPL ... | 09:40 |
| remaxim | because of that license file | 09:40 |
| remaxim | mithro, do I look like I do care? | 09:40 |
| remaxim | I m kind of pissed right now... If you've told me that from the beginning I wouldn't have to have this hole stress and stuff | 09:42 |
| mithro | remaxim: I have always mentioned this from the beginning | 09:42 |
| remaxim | nope, you didn't | 09:42 |
| remaxim | you told that CC-BY-SA is OK as well | 09:42 |
| mithro | CC-BY-SA is good - it's not perfect for reasons mentioned above (which I have mentioned previously) | 09:43 |
| mithro | we can't even think about using it if it was CC-BY-SA-NC | 09:43 |
| remaxim | you can | 09:43 |
| remaxim | CC-BY-SA-NC isn't a that big problem... | 09:44 |
| remaxim | you just have a script that downloads the music after installing the game... that's it | 09:44 |
| mithro | remaxim: I'm happy that you have decided to go with CC-BY-SA - but I'm just informing you that without the additional GPL we can not use it to it's full extent | 09:47 |
| mithro | we will abide by the CC-BY-SA and properly mark the files as such | 09:47 |
| remaxim | thx | 09:47 |
| mithro | remaxim: just getting you a place to upload | 09:50 |
| remaxim | mithro, forget it | 09:50 |
| mithro | why? | 09:50 |
| remaxim | I ll make an exceception ... I just googled a bit and those debian legal guys are nerds ... | 09:51 |
| remaxim | they don't even think that the CC-BY license is good enough to be distributed with debian | 09:51 |
| mithro | the debain legal guys are a bit crazy | 09:52 |
| mithro | CC-BY-SA seems free by my own standards | 09:52 |
| remaxim | a bit? you're joking | 09:52 |
| mithro | remaxim: it would be nice to have the original source files for the music too - but I think you are not comfortable releasing them? | 09:53 |
| remaxim | nope... those are mine... | 09:54 |
| mithro | 1. Use FTP to connect to upload.sourceforge.net. | 09:54 |
| mithro | 2. Login using 'anonymous' for the username and your email address for the password. | 09:54 |
| mithro | 3. Switch to binary mode (command: bin). | 09:54 |
| mithro | 4. Switch to passive mode (command: passive), if non-passive mode doesn't work. | 09:54 |
| mithro | 5. Change local directory to the directory containing the files to upload (command: lcd /PATH/TO/FILES). | 09:54 |
| mithro | 6. Change remote directory to /incoming (command: cd /incoming). | 09:54 |
| mithro | 7. Turn on upload status printing, if you want to watch the progress (command: hash). | 09:54 |
| mithro | 8. Upload the desired files for the release. Filenames may only contain alphanumeric characters, periods, dashes or underscores (command: put FILENAME). | 09:54 |
| mithro | 9. Disconnect from the FTP server (command: quit). | 09:54 |
| remaxim | mithro, it would be great if you could delete your copys of the source files ... please do that | 09:55 |
| mithro | remaxim: I'm not sure I even still have them anyway | 09:55 |
| remaxim | mithro, just look if you still have them and delete them in case that you still have them | 09:57 |
| remaxim | I just encoded them as flacs ... but it gave me a error | 09:58 |
| remaxim | "general errors: 1" | 09:58 |
| mithro | remaxim: well, feel free to upload the wav's if you wish | 10:00 |
| remaxim | hm... seems like the flac files are still ok, though | 10:00 |
| mithro | I don't know much about FLAC except it is lossless | 10:01 |
| remaxim | mithro, did you look through your folders? | 10:01 |
| mithro | remaxim: that computer is doing other things in a different operating system at the moment | 10:02 |
| mithro | can't check at the moment | 10:02 |
| remaxim | ok... just don't forget it please | 10:02 |
| remaxim | I am going to delete my whole TP folder on box.net ... if you want any of the intro videos, just download em | 10:05 |
| mithro | remaxim: could you upload the intro sound separately too? | 10:06 |
| remaxim | which one? | 10:06 |
| remaxim | not all of them ... it's a fucking mess and I don't have all of them | 10:06 |
| mithro | remaxim: the last 3 would be good if you could | 10:07 |
| mithro | got to go | 10:09 |
| mithro | i'll bblr | 10:09 |
| remaxim | sorry... that's kind of a problem, because I don't know which one is the right one | 10:09 |
| remaxim | I have about 15 of them | 10:09 |
| JLP | mithro: looks like m2f is working in one direction http://forums.thousandparsec.com/viewforum.php?f=2 | 10:11 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1eYH> (at forums.thousandparsec.com) | 10:11 |
| remaxim | JLP, do you have a jabber client? | 10:24 |
| remaxim | I could upload all flacs to my webspace except one... I don't want to learn how to handle ftp for that ... it would be great if someone just could upload it | 10:25 |
| JLP | remaxim: yup, i have | 10:29 |
| JLP | remaxim: [email protected] | 10:30 |
| remaxim | I just added you | 10:30 |
| *** zzorn is now known as zzorn_away | 11:04 | |
| remaxim | I can't find the media repository right now, could someone link it to me? | 11:06 |
| *** peres has joined #tp | 11:19 | |
| remaxim | I m off, bye | 11:29 |
| *** remaxim has left #tp | 11:29 | |
| mithro | JLP: cool | 11:43 |
| mithro | JLP: now we need some filters to remove the [tp-test] and the footer | 11:43 |
| mithro | well I'm heading to bed | 11:49 |
| mithro | gnight | 11:49 |
| *** peres has quit IRC | 11:50 | |
| *** tuna-fish is now known as tuna | 12:37 | |
| *** DTRemenak has quit IRC | 12:53 | |
| *** DTRemenak has joined #tp | 12:54 | |
| *** zzorn_away is now known as zzorn | 13:01 | |
| *** AquaFox has quit IRC | 14:05 | |
| JLP | anyone using last.fm ? | 14:06 |
| JLP | well if you do you can now join the Thousand Parsec group - http://www.last.fm/group/Thousand+Parsec | 14:07 |
| tpb | Title: Thousand Parsec Groups at Last.fm (at www.last.fm) | 14:08 |
| Ohm | yay | 14:09 |
| Ohm | joined | 14:09 |
| JLP | Ohm: awsome, i've also added you as frien | 14:11 |
| Ohm | nice | 14:18 |
| JLP | Ohm: any news about freeorion? have they decided to participate? | 14:35 |
| Ohm | haven't heard anything about them, sadly | 14:50 |
| Ohm | their forum is active, but nobody is responding to the SoC thread | 14:50 |
| *** JLafont has joined #tp | 17:04 | |
| JLafont | allo | 17:05 |
| *** bddebian has joined #tp | 17:15 | |
| *** Lukstr has joined #tp | 17:44 | |
| *** JLP has quit IRC | 17:55 | |
| *** JLP has joined #tp | 17:58 | |
| *** tuna has quit IRC | 18:04 | |
| *** Lukstr has quit IRC | 19:47 | |
| Ohm | can anybody awake tell me how tpclient-pywx places controls? | 20:03 |
| Ohm | eg pixel-by-pixel, using sizers, etc? | 20:03 |
| *** greywhind has joined #tp | 20:13 | |
| *** Alklomion has joined #tp | 20:39 | |
| Alklomion | Hello Mithro: I'd like to confirm that you'll be attending our meeting at City West tomorrow morning, at 9am? | 20:48 |
| mithro | Alklomion: confirmed | 21:21 |
| mithro | Alklomion: how is all the investigation going? | 21:24 |
| Alklomion | Slowly at the moment, I believe you've already provided a large amount of information required for the requirements document already, I'll most likely bring a summary of what I've gathered so far for you to confirm or add to. | 21:25 |
| mithro | how goes the MIDP investigation? | 21:26 |
| * mithro pokes xdotx | 21:26 | |
| mithro | greywhind: ping? | 21:26 |
| greywhind | mithro: pong | 21:26 |
| mithro | greywhind: I did a fairly major change I would love for you to test | 21:27 |
| mithro | it can be found in the orderxrc branch | 21:27 |
| greywhind | mithro: k. will do | 21:27 |
| mithro | (I finally replaced the order panels with stuff from XRC) | 21:27 |
| Alklomion | mithro: I remember you (or at least i think it was you) mentioning a pattern that involves a controller being in between the interface and the core of a program, do you remember, or know the name of it? | 21:34 |
| mithro | I doubt it was mean, but it sounds like you are thinking of MVC? | 21:35 |
| Alklomion | mithro: thanks, that's the one | 21:36 |
| greywhind | mithro: k. i'll check that change now. | 21:49 |
| mithro | Alklomion: did you checkout the libtpproto-java? | 21:50 |
| greywhind | mithro: would you recommend a separate checkout for this? | 21:50 |
| mithro | greywhind: probably not, just change your remote branch to orderxrc and do a pull | 21:50 |
| greywhind | mithro: k | 21:51 |
| Alklomion | mithro: not yet, i've been doing more of the course work and management stuff the last week, This week (hopefully) should be more about requirements and starting to 'get my hands dirty' | 21:51 |
| mithro | Alklomion: okay cool | 21:51 |
| mithro | I've yet to see the other guy around here | 21:51 |
| greywhind | mithro: seems to mostly work | 22:18 |
| greywhind | but when i add move orders, they seem to immediately be unmodifiable | 22:18 |
| mithro | unmodifiable? | 22:18 |
| greywhind | mithro: yeah - i added a move order to the fleet, and when i selected it, it was as if it had already been in place and couldn't be changed | 22:19 |
| mithro | greywhind: ahh | 22:20 |
| mithro | I see the problem | 22:20 |
| greywhind | mithro: oh - let me send you my quarter summary | 22:22 |
| mithro | greywhind: okay cool | 22:24 |
| mithro | greywhind: copy and paste of orders should work now too | 22:26 |
| greywhind | mithro: where would you copy and paste them to? | 22:27 |
| mithro | greywhind: between objects | 22:27 |
| greywhind | ah. makes sense. | 22:27 |
| Ohm | after friday I'll probably be able to put in some good work on the tpclient-pywx, btw | 22:28 |
| mithro | or just so you can repeat the a bunch of orders quickly | 22:28 |
| Ohm | last finals-test is then | 22:28 |
| mithro | Ohm: cool | 22:31 |
| mithro | the bits I have been working on removes the last peice of *really* crappy code | 22:32 |
| mithro | greywhind: can't figure out how to get the keyboard shortcuts working on MacOS X :/ | 22:34 |
| greywhind | mithro: :( ... i'm sure we'll figure it out eventually | 22:35 |
| greywhind | i have to go make a salad | 22:35 |
| mithro | greywhind: Fixed the move problem you where having | 22:40 |
| CIA-12 | mithro tpclient-pywx-orderxrc * r139a9541587e /windows/ (main/panelOrder.py xrc/orderPosition.xrc): Fixed the Positional argument. | 22:40 |
| mithro | Ohm: if you get a chance, could you have a play with the orderxrc branch too | 22:40 |
| Ohm | what's that branch about? | 22:41 |
| mithro | Ohm: replacing the order argument panels with XRC build panels | 22:46 |
| mithro | s/build/built/ | 22:46 |
| mithro | which means more functionality and less code | 22:46 |
| Ohm | sounds nice | 22:46 |
| Ohm | I'll look into it when I'm familiar with the current codebase | 22:46 |
| mithro | XRC reads the description for building a panel from a XML file | 22:46 |
| Ohm | (still finding my way around) | 22:46 |
| mithro | the move to XRC almost everywhere was one of the biggest change from the 0.2.x series to the 0.3.x seres | 22:47 |
| Ohm | what remains to be done with it? | 22:49 |
| mithro | the orderxrc changes is the final stage of doing that | 22:49 |
| Ohm | http://www.fosdem.org/2008/media/video <--- fosdem '08 recordings released | 22:50 |
| tpb | Title: FOSDEM Video Recordings | FOSDEM (at www.fosdem.org) | 22:50 |
| Ohm | three OSS game-related talks | 22:51 |
| Ohm | battle for wesnoth, crystalspace and globulation 2 | 22:51 |
| mithro | Ohm: cool | 22:52 |
| Ohm | bbiab laundry | 22:54 |
| mithro | Ohm: i'm more after user experience at the moment | 22:56 |
| Ohm | oh, fun | 23:08 |
| Ohm | it's one of my favourite areas of interest at the moment | 23:09 |
| mithro | IE I didn't know move was broken until greywhind pointed it out | 23:09 |
| Ohm | oh | 23:10 |
| Ohm | testing | 23:10 |
| * mithro is only talking about this very second btw :) | 23:10 | |
| mithro | not GSoC term | 23:11 |
| mithro | Ohm: FOSDEM video server is slow :/ | 23:16 |
| Ohm | :( | 23:28 |
| mithro | 25kb/second :/ | 23:43 |
| Ohm | that's really bad considering the vids are like 600 mb each | 23:43 |
| Ohm | also finally done with laundry | 23:43 |
| Ohm | took 6 hours | 23:43 |
| mithro | Ohm: laundry of the video downloads :P | 23:47 |
| *** greywhind has quit IRC | 23:55 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.2 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!
