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| nash | Ahh... mail bombing the thousandparsec list ;-) | 00:40 |
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| * mithro doesn't see anything | 01:00 | |
| nash | YEah - they all bounced back. | 01:02 |
| nash | Damn mailing listsresent all 6 | 01:02 |
| mithro | bounced? | 01:07 |
| nash | Yeah - sent from wrong address | 01:19 |
| * nash shoudl resubscribe | 01:19 | |
| mithro | nash: if you want, I can add your address to the "always accept" ones | 01:23 |
| mithro | or you can subscribe both and set one as "no mail" | 01:23 |
| nash | If you can add to the always accept it would be good. | 01:24 |
| nash | The second subscription I've had issues with elsewhere | 01:24 |
| mithro | nash: message me the address you want me to add | 01:25 |
| nash | [email protected][.au] are the two I am currently posting from, [email protected] would be nice too ;) | 01:25 |
| nash | mithro: My addresses have been scraped so many times I don't care | 01:25 |
| mithro | nash: my primary address is pretty much at that stage too :P | 01:26 |
| mithro | or :( | 01:26 |
| nash | mithro: I'm on too many lists... so people scraping IRC logs can get what they want... | 01:27 |
| nash | while we are at it: [email protected] , [email protected], [email protected] [email protected] | 01:27 |
| nash | Those 4 all go to a spam trap... so they can scrape the lot ;-) | 01:27 |
| mithro | I find that "ham@<>" is always a good spam trap | 01:29 |
| mithro | nash: your Gaming Miniconf one should be okay right? | 01:36 |
| nash | Absolutely | 01:36 |
| mithro | coolio :) | 01:37 |
| nash | no semi-secret hardware there ;-) | 01:37 |
| mithro | semi secret :P | 01:37 |
| nash | it's secret to CES | 01:37 |
| nash | After CES it's technically public, but may not want to be widely publicised by manufacturer | 01:38 |
| nash | Anyway - on my way home now | 01:39 |
| nash | Talk to you tomorrow | 01:39 |
| * llnz will be replying to some of the emails shortly | 01:40 | |
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| * llnz is away, doing dishes, etc | 02:56 | |
| mithro | http://www.printfection.com/tp | 03:03 |
| tpb | Title: Thousand Parsec - Printfection.com (at www.printfection.com) | 03:03 |
| mithro | if you want something other then black | 03:04 |
| CIA-11 | tim * r66 media/promotion/gear/tshirtcity/tshirt1/ (tp-clean-shirt-front-ts.png tp-clean-shirt-front-ts.svg): A version of the shirt which has the black bits turned transparent. | 03:14 |
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| mithro | how is everyone tonight? | 04:57 |
| mithro | jotham: ping? | 04:57 |
| mithro | llnz: ping? | 04:58 |
| llnz | mithro: pong | 04:58 |
| mithro | got any time to improve http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/dev/documents/protocolxml.php ? | 04:58 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/JXj> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 04:58 |
| llnz | will do sometime | 05:00 |
| mithro | would be good :P | 05:00 |
| mithro | I think we need to add some meta information so we can group them | 05:01 |
| mithro | some suggestions | 05:01 |
| mithro | - A id to packet table | 05:02 |
| mithro | - A better table of contents | 05:02 |
| mithro | - A hidden/shown the "full" description - including all the parents stuff | 05:03 |
| mithro | - Use short names rather then "integer" etc | 05:04 |
| llnz | at some point i will move the xslt to the documents repo | 05:04 |
| mithro | - Links from the children to the parents | 05:04 |
| llnz | my todo list of the dtd has two items, and the xslt has 5, so far (including your points here) | 05:05 |
| mithro | - Some better formatting on the frame information | 05:06 |
| llnz | ? | 05:07 |
| mithro | well, it's quite hard to read | 05:08 |
| llnz | true | 05:08 |
| mithro | it's not that brilliant in the old protocol3.php | 05:09 |
| llnz | yeah | 05:11 |
| mithro | llnz: I think it should be better looking then the protocol3.php | 05:11 |
| llnz | there is a lot of information, and it's very repetitive | 05:12 |
| llnz | i will try | 05:12 |
| mithro | llnz: well, it is about making easy for a person to only get to the section they want | 05:13 |
| mithro | IE good linking between stuff - that is where the protocol3.php sucks | 05:13 |
| llnz | ok | 05:13 |
| mithro | with the xml you can easily do the linking :) | 05:16 |
| mithro | the Frame ID list in protocol3.php doesn't link, the little response things in the primary table don't link, etc | 05:17 |
| mithro | good protocolxml.php will make me move to tp04 sooner ;) | 05:28 |
| mithro | llnz: so what is the most important thing for you (apart from better move) for tpclient-pywx? | 05:34 |
| llnz | that it works (in particular, orders) | 05:34 |
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| mithro | llnz: orders in what way? everything part from move should work? | 06:53 |
| llnz | yeah, but move not working is a real killer | 06:54 |
| JLP | ahoy * | 06:54 |
| JLP | o la la, lots of e-mails on tp-devel | 06:56 |
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| llnz | later all | 07:09 |
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| mithro | hey JLP | 07:34 |
| mithro | no parsek commits recently :( | 07:37 |
| JLP | yeah, totaly swamped by kde4 work, we're in final days (tomorrow is the tagging for 4.0,0), so a lot of translating, testing, helping bug fixing to do | 07:38 |
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| remaxim | hi | 09:43 |
| JLP | remaxim: ahoy | 10:02 |
| remaxim | ahoy JLP | 10:02 |
| zzorn | mithro: I've used Inkscape a few times, but I don't know it well | 10:24 |
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| mithro | morning people | 19:04 |
| mithro | how is everyone today? | 19:04 |
| nash | okay | 19:11 |
| mithro | how goes life? | 19:15 |
| nash | okay | 19:16 |
| nash | yourself | 19:16 |
| mithro | work is kind of frustrating | 19:16 |
| mithro | due to evil "we can not expose XYZ to others" | 19:17 |
| nash | So you didn;'t say what XYZ was... | 19:18 |
| mithro | which means I have spent the last two days rewriting bits of code to avoid things which need RTTI | 19:19 |
| mithro | and moving things about so that some parts can be compiled with different flags and such | 19:19 |
| nash | Loevely | 19:26 |
| mithro | nash: do you know if you can do an if in a Makefile? | 19:29 |
| nash | In GNU make yes | 19:29 |
| nash | ifeq "x$(PREFIX)" "x" | 19:29 |
| nash | PREFIX=/usr/local | 19:29 |
| nash | endif | 19:29 |
| nash | ifeq "$(OBJDIR)" "" | 19:29 |
| nash | OBJDIR=. | 19:29 |
| nash | endif | 19:29 |
| mithro | nash: is there an "in" parameter? | 19:30 |
| mithro | s/parameter/operator | 19:30 |
| nash | ? | 19:30 |
| nash | mithro: NFI | 19:30 |
| nash | I don't do much conditional compilation ;-)( | 19:30 |
| mithro | i'm currently using %.o: %.cpp type target | 19:31 |
| nash | Yep | 19:31 |
| nash | What do you want to to? | 19:31 |
| mithro | but I need two different ones dependent on which list the object is in | 19:31 |
| nash | Then use two targets | 19:32 |
| nash | $(OBJECTLIST1) : | 19:32 |
| nash | ... | 19:32 |
| nash | %.o: ... default one | 19:32 |
| nash | mithro: Else build them to different dirs: | 19:34 |
| nash | foo/%.o vs bar/%.o | 19:34 |
| mithro | ahh, I can use different file extensions | 19:35 |
| nash | mithro: Of all the options I can think off, that would be the worst | 19:36 |
| mithro | oh? | 19:36 |
| nash | You don't think foo.o and foo.obj are rather ugly? | 19:37 |
| nash | With no way of determining why they differ or why they are both there? | 19:37 |
| mithro | well you never get both foo.o and foo.ro | 19:37 |
| nash | 'ro' | 19:38 |
| nash | What is a 'ro' | 19:38 |
| mithro | and .o with runtime type information | 19:38 |
| * nash notes that is about as a standard as appletalk | 19:39 | |
| mithro | bah, what do I care - when compiling it tells you what it is generating | 19:39 |
| nash | mithro: So is there any reason you can't do this: CXXFLAGS+=-rtti make | 19:39 |
| mithro | nash: because I'm compiling some files with rtti and some without in the same shared library | 19:41 |
| nash | mithro: Different dest dirs | 19:42 |
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| mithro | nash: you ever used makedepend? | 19:50 |
| nash | mithro: Yes, it's ugly | 19:50 |
| nash | Evil on revision control | 19:50 |
| nash | We do use .d files on some projects however | 19:50 |
| nash | which are much neater | 19:51 |
| mithro | what are .d files? | 19:51 |
| mithro | I just want a way for make to correctly understand the dependencies (via reading the .h stuff) | 19:51 |
| nash | Yeah - wait a moment | 19:52 |
| mithro | it's really annoying to have to wait 60 seconds every time you change a line (because you have to rebuild the whole thing) | 19:52 |
| nash | Sounds like C++ to me | 19:53 |
| mithro | he he, yes it is C++ :P | 19:54 |
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| mithro | no greywhind for a while :( | 23:11 |
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| mithro | hey llnz | 23:25 |
| llnz | hi mithro | 23:25 |
| mithro | where are you located again? | 23:25 |
| llnz | Christchurch, New Zealand | 23:25 |
| mithro | where is Christchurch in relationship to Auckland? | 23:25 |
| llnz | about 1 hr 20 min in a plane south | 23:26 |
| llnz | or, another way: 8 hours driving, 3 hour ferry ride, 6 hour driving south | 23:28 |
| nash | mithro: East coast, middle south island | 23:28 |
| nash | Beautiful Canterbury plains, amazingly ugly beaches. | 23:28 |
| llnz | hehe | 23:28 |
| nash | llnz: You can tell I've been there a few times ;-) | 23:29 |
| llnz | :-) | 23:35 |
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