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| mithro | howdy people | 01:05 |
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| mithro | dmpayton: ping? | 01:05 |
| dmpayton | mithro, pong | 01:05 |
| dmpayton | How's it goin'? | 01:06 |
| mithro | pretty good | 01:06 |
| mithro | handed up all the documentation today | 01:06 |
| dmpayton | Fun fun. | 01:06 |
| dmpayton | Hey, I've got a question about ubuntu | 01:07 |
| mithro | dmpayton: sure, shoot | 01:07 |
| dmpayton | though I probably already know the answer | 01:07 |
| dmpayton | I run out of memory real fast... I've had to restart atleast once a day, whereas on XP I could sometimes go maybe 3 days before I needed a restart | 01:07 |
| dmpayton | I know the biggest offender is FF | 01:08 |
| dmpayton | However | 01:08 |
| dmpayton | I didn't setup a partition for swap space when I installed ubuntu | 01:08 |
| dmpayton | i'm guessing that's where my problem lies? | 01:09 |
| mithro | dmpayton: you can create a swap file if you want | 01:09 |
| mithro | you shouldn't need to restart | 01:09 |
| mithro | just restart firefox | 01:09 |
| mithro | btw: how much memory do you have? | 01:10 |
| dmpayton | I saw earlier, FF was using almost 155MB | 01:10 |
| dmpayton | I have 1GB | 01:10 |
| mithro | Res or virtual? | 01:10 |
| mithro | my web browser regularly uses about 100Mb | 01:10 |
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| mithro | dmpayton: Linux has to concepts of memory usage | 01:13 |
| mithro | dmpayton: Linux doesn't suffer from memory fragmentation as window does | 01:14 |
| mithro | s/to/two | 01:16 |
| mithro | Virtual and Resident | 01:19 |
| dmpayton | Sorry, dog pissed on the rug. >:( | 01:26 |
| mithro | dmpayton: :/ | 01:30 |
| mithro | Virtual memory, is all memory mapped | 01:31 |
| mithro | including things like shared libraries | 01:31 |
| mithro | video memory | 01:31 |
| mithro | shared memory | 01:31 |
| mithro | etc | 01:31 |
| mithro | while resident memory is only "real" memory | 01:31 |
| llnz | resident memory is the current amount of RAM being used | 01:32 |
| dmpayton | Hmm | 01:33 |
| mithro | dmpayton: do you want to create a swap file? | 01:35 |
| dmpayton | mithro, yeah, I'm googling it now. | 01:37 |
| mithro | dmpayton: i can tell you how if you want :P | 01:37 |
| dmpayton | mithro, That'll work. :) | 01:37 |
| mithro | okay - first you need to create a file | 01:38 |
| mithro | you use dd for that | 01:38 |
| dmpayton | Okay. | 01:38 |
| mithro | sudo dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=1 seek=5242879 of=/swap | 01:44 |
| mithro | that will create a 5gb sparse file | 01:45 |
| mithro | sudo mkswap /swap | 01:46 |
| mithro | that will give it a swap signature | 01:46 |
| mithro | opps - turns out you can't use a sparse file | 01:48 |
| mithro | sudo dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=2097152 of=/swap | 01:49 |
| mithro | that creates a 2gb file | 01:50 |
| mithro | sudo swapon /swap | 01:52 |
| mithro | swapon -s | 01:52 |
| mithro | will give you your swap stats | 01:52 |
| mithro | dmpayton: ping? | 01:52 |
| dmpayton | mithro, pong | 01:54 |
| mithro | dmpayton: you get all that? | 01:54 |
| dmpayton | Yep. | 01:55 |
| dmpayton | brb | 01:56 |
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| mithro | dmpayton: any luck? | 02:05 |
| mithro | dmpayton: i ushally go abut 5-6 weeks before having to restart my laptop | 02:13 |
| tuna-fish | mithro: what are you running? | 02:14 |
| mithro | ubuntu | 02:14 |
| mithro | llnz: handed up all the doco for my project today | 02:15 |
| mithro | llnz: 100 pages in total | 02:16 |
| dmpayton | back | 02:21 |
| dmpayton | mithro, I type swapon -s, and it's empty. | 02:21 |
| mithro | did you do this | 02:21 |
| mithro | sudo swapon /swap | 02:21 |
| mithro | ? | 02:21 |
| mithro | Filename Type Size Used Priority | 02:21 |
| mithro | /dev/sda6 partition 979924 412776 -1 | 02:21 |
| mithro | /swap file 1464380 0 -3 | 02:22 |
| dmpayton | ah-ha! | 02:22 |
| dmpayton | There we go | 02:22 |
| mithro | with 1gb, I doubt it will get used much | 02:22 |
| dmpayton | well | 02:22 |
| mithro | but if you have evolution, open office, fire fox, texmacs and eclipse open at once :P | 02:23 |
| dmpayton | Right now, the system monitor is showing 29% used by programs, 66% by cache | 02:23 |
| mithro | dmpayton: linux is smart, it'll use any "spare" ram for cache | 02:23 |
| mithro | otherwise you have ram sitting there doing nothing | 02:23 |
| mithro | which is silly - you paid for the ram so you should use it | 02:25 |
| mithro | dmpayton: make sense? | 02:26 |
| dmpayton | In linux, what's the difference between memory used by programs and memory used as cache? | 02:27 |
| nash | cache can be discarded instantly | 02:28 |
| nash | Also note swap (a swap partition anyway) can be used to make room for cache - so your startup code in firefox can be swapped out to make room for cache... | 02:28 |
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| llnz | mithro: cool | 03:39 |
| mithro | dmpayton: cache memory is just memory used to cache disk data | 03:41 |
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| mithro | dmpayton: you shouldn't need to worry about ff using to much memory untill your computer starts swapping | 04:26 |
| mithro | what do you care if ff is taking 200mb if you have 600mb free | 04:27 |
| llnz | brb, upgrading | 04:42 |
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| mithro | hry | 04:47 |
| nash | heyo | 04:47 |
| mithro | s/hry/hey | 04:47 |
| nash | I guessed | 04:48 |
| mithro | eating dinner :P | 04:48 |
| nash | About to here.. just got home | 04:54 |
| mithro | off now | 05:02 |
| mithro | see ya | 05:02 |
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| * llnz ponders | 05:45 | |
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| nash | heyo llnz | 06:57 |
| llnz | hi nash | 06:58 |
| nash | how is life? | 06:59 |
| llnz | not too bad | 07:01 |
| llnz | i think i'm getting a nice contract at uni for 4 months | 07:02 |
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| nash | Sweet - your own SoC really | 07:03 |
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| llnz | more like winter of searching aimlessly and smacking head against wall | 07:05 |
| llnz | so WoSAaSHAW | 07:06 |
| nash | heh | 07:06 |
| nash | Sounds just like SoC to me... | 07:06 |
| llnz | hehehehe | 07:06 |
| llnz | ssshhhhh | 07:06 |
| llnz | don't let the students know | 07:06 |
| nash | Oops.. sorry... besides DystopicFro isn't around ;-) | 07:06 |
| * nash writes some code for a change... for galaxie too ;-) | 07:12 | |
| llnz | coool | 07:13 |
| llnz | i'm too sick and busy to really write code at the moment | 07:13 |
| llnz | maybe next week | 07:13 |
| nash | heh - I want to make sure I'm ready when you are are for mtsec ;-) And RFTS | 07:14 |
| llnz | hehe | 07:20 |
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| llnz | later all | 07:33 |
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| nash | night | 07:34 |
| nash | So the question is... wchi tpserver-cpp version to use... | 08:08 |
| CIA-2 | nash galaxie * rb5e0687d3d25 /tpe_scheme_guile.c: Add a scheme file | 08:12 |
| CIA-2 | nash galaxie * r441beaaf0577 / (7 files in 2 dirs): Merge with git+ssh://nash@tranquillity/home/nash/work/thousandparsec/galaxie | 08:12 |
| CIA-2 | nash galaxie * r5978559aa061 /tpe_scheme_guile.c: Merge with git+ssh://nash@tranquillity/home/nash/work/thousandparsec/galaxie#scheme | 08:12 |
| CIA-2 | nash galaxie * r56630de0d1fd /Makefile: Add lua5.1 to depends. | 08:12 |
| CIA-2 | nash galaxie * re15d93b0ea07 /tpe_scheme_guile.c: Merge with scheme | 08:12 |
| CIA-2 | nash galaxie * r1da8091893eb / (Makefile edje/basic-info.edc tpe_gui.c): Merge with git+ssh://baboon/home/nash/work/tranquillity/galaxie | 08:12 |
| CIA-2 | nash galaxie * rc18ecf74843b /tpe_gui.c: Fix other conflicts in merge. | 08:12 |
| CIA-2 | nash galaxie * rc0b8920f7233 /ai_jones.c: Fix compilation error on TPW type. | 08:12 |
| CIA-2 | nash galaxie * rc7afb2ca3776 /galaxie.c: Don't print '(null)' for game name. | 08:12 |
| CIA-2 | nash galaxie * r73ee66ffe8d7 /tpe_gui.h: Fix compilation warning. | 08:12 |
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| nash | heyo mithro | 08:21 |
| mithro | hey nash | 08:21 |
| mithro | handed up my documentation now | 08:22 |
| nash | I saw earlier - hit the magic 100 I hear ;-) COngrats | 08:22 |
| nash | mithro: Is the battle protocol (to download) documented? | 08:28 |
| mithro | actually, kind of | 08:28 |
| mithro | it has a dtd | 08:28 |
| nash | I meant to get the actual data for a battle from the server? | 08:29 |
| nash | mithro: ? | 08:42 |
| mithro | nash: checkout the battleviewer repo | 08:42 |
| nash | mithro: No, I meant is it documented ;-) Not is there a magic program which does it ... | 08:42 |
| mithro | nash: git clone git://git.thousandparsec.net/git/battleviewer.git | 08:43 |
| mithro | more BATTLEFORMAT | 08:43 |
| mithro | more battle.dtd | 08:43 |
| nash | mithro: Yes, but how do you get the data from the server? | 08:44 |
| mithro | ahh - you don't :P | 08:44 |
| nash | Right... so where does it come from? | 08:44 |
| mithro | hrm - i thought there was a get_data frame | 08:46 |
| nash | I assume neither server generates the info anyway - right? | 08:46 |
| mithro | tpserver-py has a simulator | 08:47 |
| nash | So does it generate enough to be useful? | 08:48 |
| nash | And does tpserver-py work currently? | 08:48 |
| mithro | it can be used stand alone | 08:51 |
| nash | Does downloading battle data need to be added to tp04 spec? | 08:51 |
| mithro | i'm pretty sure we had thought about it | 08:52 |
| mithro | basically you can reference a URL | 08:52 |
| nash | I'm sure you did... | 08:52 |
| nash | how? the generic ref sys only handles ints | 08:53 |
| nash | Anyway - I'm off to bed | 08:56 |
| CIA-2 | nash galaxie * r4663dd3ddd19 / (5 files): Work on 'Home' zoom, and a little work in actually using resources. | 08:57 |
| nash | Talk to you later.. | 08:57 |
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