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| nash | jotham: Yeah, but remember that some people need/want you to be clear about it. So it is best to have hte licence, and a statement of intent near the art so people can use it, and know they are safe. | 00:00 |
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| nash | jotham: We all go through that stage ;-) | 00:01 |
| jotham | which stage | 00:01 |
| nash | The "everyone should use my stuff, but not to make money" stage, or something similar. | 00:01 |
| jotham | oh | 00:01 |
| jotham | yeah i've seen it a lot, but i find it alien | 00:02 |
| jotham | if they want to rip me off that's their business | 00:02 |
| jotham | i have no problem finding work and getting paid | 00:02 |
| * mithro doesn't like people using his code and claiming it as their own and not giving anything back to the community | 00:02 | |
| nash | mithro: The last bit is a bit of debate, but appropriate credit is a final point. (CC-Attribution for instance) | 00:03 |
| jotham | i used to write irc scripts when i was 15-16, i found that if i documented my code and commented that anyone could use it people were more inclined to give me credit in their own code and even ask me questions etc...ultimatly giving me a better position in the community than otherwise. i think the alternative would have been them stealing my code and then feeling guilty so avoiding involving me, and ultimatly limiting their learning | 00:04 |
| mithro | although i've never written anything people have found worth stealing yet ;) | 00:04 |
| jotham | in the netherlands the police came and confiscated my computer equipment because my boss (paranoid dutch royalty/ coke head) was enforcing the IP rules of my contract and decided that he wanted everything i had created in my own time | 00:05 |
| mithro | jotham: that sound like it sucked | 00:06 |
| jotham | (my contract stated all software written in my own time also belonged to the company) | 00:06 |
| jotham | yeah well | 00:06 |
| jotham | there are lots of retards out there | 00:06 |
| mithro | jotham: also sounds like it wouldn't be legal | 00:06 |
| jotham | i don't know enough about dutch law | 00:06 |
| jotham | the guy had a permit on his car that meant he could park anywhere | 00:06 |
| jotham | he often parked in the middle of peoples lawns etc | 00:07 |
| jotham | ahh the legacy of royal families =) | 00:07 |
| mithro | it's intresting, the Queen of England doesn't have a passport | 00:07 |
| jotham | i wonder if that is because she is not technically a citizen | 00:08 |
| nash | mithro: I can't imagine she stands in teh same immigration queues we do... | 00:08 |
| nash | mithro: And besides... she can give herself one at anytime... | 00:09 |
| mithro | http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/page4871.asp | 00:11 |
| tpb | Title: The Monarchy Today > Queen and public > Royal visits > Queen and passport (at www.royal.gov.uk) | 00:11 |
| nash | yep | 00:12 |
| jotham | right, so it's like a note from her | 00:12 |
| jotham | saying 'let this dude through' | 00:12 |
| jotham | funny | 00:12 |
| jotham | right, lunch time | 00:13 |
| nash | Yeah.. .au passports are a note from the Governer General, being the rep of the Queen in AU | 00:13 |
| jotham | yeah same here in kiwistan | 00:13 |
| mithro | jotham: if you don't mind me asking, how old are you? | 00:14 |
| jotham | 26 | 00:14 |
| mithro | jotham: got 2 years on me :) | 00:15 |
| jotham | after 25 it's just an endless drift to the inevitable breeding phase and then decay into death | 00:15 |
| jotham | i am 27 soon | 00:15 |
| jotham | but i'm sick of my job and life so i think it's time to go travel again | 00:16 |
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| jotham | but i got a 9% raise on friday | 00:18 |
| jotham | i don't think they want me to quit | 00:18 |
| mithro | hello tuna-fish- | 00:18 |
| tuna-fish- | hi | 00:18 |
| mithro | jotham: whats inflation like in the kiwi land? | 00:18 |
| jotham | we have to make a web game that is linked into bluetooth tamagotchi | 00:18 |
| jotham | so your real-world e-pet influences the virtual world | 00:19 |
| mithro | tuna-fish-: new here? | 00:19 |
| jotham | it's for 14 year old kids | 00:19 |
| tuna-fish- | not really, just very quiet | 00:19 |
| mithro | he he, whats your main intrest? | 00:19 |
| jotham | it's 2% according to the radio | 00:19 |
| jotham | but who knows | 00:20 |
| mithro | people always forget to take into account inflation when looking at their wages, if inflation is 2% then every year you are effectively getting a 2% pay-decrease | 00:21 |
| jotham | acording to the CPI it's about 2.5 since dec 2005 | 00:21 |
| jotham | yeah i was trying to tell my girlfriend that, that the company must give her a raise of at least what inflation is | 00:21 |
| jotham | problem with trying to get a grip on inflation is it depends which price index you look at | 00:22 |
| jotham | but i guess consumer price index affects me the most | 00:22 |
| mithro | australia is somewhere around 3% according to the reserve bank of australia | 00:24 |
| jotham | i really need to learn calculus, i keep bumping into things i can't do due to lack of calc | 00:25 |
| jotham | right now i need to make a rope swing in a simulation, and i need to figure out the spread of objects placed along a spiral | 00:26 |
| jotham | wonder if i can get work to pay for that | 00:26 |
| mithro | calculus is a really handy tool - but I think you most probably want specifically differential equations | 00:26 |
| jotham | yep | 00:26 |
| jotham | i got a book on it and a physics for programmers book, and it looks like i need to learn differential equations | 00:26 |
| mithro | diff equations are handy for all those spring based systems | 00:27 |
| jotham | you are doing engineering and philosophy right? | 00:27 |
| mithro | jotham: yeah | 00:27 |
| jotham | ee? or meche? | 00:27 |
| mithro | diff equations are required for all Enginneering students - but it's been 2 years since I last did them :) | 00:27 |
| jotham | my ex gf was a meche but freaked out in her third year and is now doing philosophy | 00:27 |
| mithro | IT&T (in the EE deparment) | 00:28 |
| mithro | diff equations are useful for circuits (IE inductors and capacitors) | 00:30 |
| mithro | and circuits with feedback | 00:30 |
| jotham | my boss is an EE | 00:44 |
| nash | EEs rock | 00:45 |
| mithro | I went the Eng route as they are considered better then a B.Maths(CompSci) | 00:45 |
| mithro | plus it gets me into all the Eng societies with their cheap professional indemity insurance | 00:46 |
| jotham | i find EEs difficult to communicate with at times, though i know a lot of them, and they find me difficult too | 00:46 |
| jotham | mostly i think traditional artists and EEs (not saying EE isn't an art!) look at shit very differently | 00:47 |
| nash | indeed | 00:47 |
| jotham | not saying anything bad about EEs...just aknowledging a divide | 00:47 |
| * mithro isn't a real EE, his course is just in the EE deparment :) | 00:47 | |
| nash | As an EE, I agree. | 00:47 |
| jotham | i don't really get on with designers either that being said | 00:48 |
| jotham | they are more concerned with fashion than with art | 00:48 |
| jotham | but i also know a lot of them | 00:48 |
| mithro | The EE deparment teaches three streams, EE (Electrical and Electronics), CS (Computer Systems) and IT&T (IT & Telecommunications) | 00:48 |
| mithro | and now they are doing also doing a SE - Software Engineering course with the CS deparement | 00:49 |
| mithro | brb | 00:49 |
| mithro | back | 01:04 |
| jotham | my australian friend is doing SE somewhere | 01:20 |
| mithro | well, off to lunch | 01:48 |
| mithro | bblr | 01:48 |
| mithro | jotham: cool on the laser test :P | 01:52 |
| mithro | and the damage test | 01:53 |
| mithro | could you make a "tests" directory and move them in there? (darcs mv) | 01:53 |
| jotham | yeah i was wondering about that, but i had a problem | 01:54 |
| jotham | how do i make python load a module in from a parent directory (i depend on the entitys.py file | 01:54 |
| jotham | just add that to sys.path before the import eh | 01:54 |
| jotham | sys.path.append(sys.cwd+'../' or something | 01:54 |
| jotham | guess i should just shut up and try it :p | 01:54 |
| mithro | jotham: sys.path.append("..") | 02:11 |
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| llnz | oh wtf? | 06:03 |
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| CIA-11 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * tpserver-cpp/tpserver/metaserverpublisher.cpp : | 09:38 |
| CIA-11 | When setting changes, call update instead of trying to do everything itself, and wrong: | 09:38 |
| CIA-11 | It wasn't reseting the timer. It's better to keep it all consistent and only have one implementation. | 09:38 |
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| mithro | wb | 09:43 |
| llnz | mithro: btw, i am registered with nickserv, so i can be added to the chanserv oper list (or at least permision to change the topic) | 09:43 |
| CIA-11 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * tpserver-cpp/modules/games/minisec/ (8 files): | 09:44 |
| CIA-11 | Better sizes of star systems in minisec: | 09:44 |
| CIA-11 | Should make the new starmap code of mithro's work a bit better, more visually clear. | 09:44 |
| CIA-11 | Should add more planets to the real ones, but makes too many colonisable planets for | 09:44 |
| CIA-11 | minisec. More complex rulesets could benefit from them though. | 09:44 |
| * llnz changes his dyndns record to be current | 09:44 | |
| * llnz expects his adsl to disconnect because of it | 09:45 | |
| mithro | llnz: your avahi output is wrong | 09:51 |
| llnz | oh? | 09:52 |
| mithro | Tpserver-cpp [MiniSec] | 09:52 |
| mithro | the name shouldn't have the brakets part? | 09:52 |
| mithro | it means that local and remote game isn't merged in the server browser output | 09:52 |
| llnz | ahh | 09:52 |
| llnz | ok | 09:53 |
| llnz | that reminds me of something | 09:53 |
| llnz | we should have a "short name" for the bit after the @ in player login names | 09:53 |
| llnz | so it can be set to "tp" or "demo1" or whatever | 09:54 |
| llnz | with the longer name for the human players | 09:54 |
| mithro | okay | 09:55 |
| mithro | email the list so I don't forget | 09:55 |
| mithro | btw starsystem size is much better now | 09:55 |
| llnz | cool | 09:55 |
| mithro | http://mithro.dyndns.org/temp/Screenshot-3.png | 09:56 |
| llnz | cool | 09:57 |
| llnz | it only changes newly generated systems, not current (persisted) ones | 09:57 |
| mithro | I might have to use a multiplier on the planet sizes | 09:57 |
| llnz | i think we need to re-think the scale, maybe | 09:57 |
| mithro | http://mithro.dyndns.org/temp/Screenshot-4.png | 09:58 |
| mithro | new starmap zoomed out | 09:58 |
| llnz | cool | 09:59 |
| mithro | notice the little blue dots? | 09:59 |
| llnz | yeah | 10:00 |
| jotham | gah | 10:02 |
| jotham | just did an accounting test for my gf | 10:02 |
| jotham | screw that for a job | 10:02 |
| CIA-11 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * tpserver-cpp/tpserver/ (avahi.cpp avahi.cpp): | 10:08 |
| CIA-11 | Removed square brackets and ruleset name from avahi service name: | 10:08 |
| CIA-11 | Apparently not a good idea, breaks merging of mdns-sd and metaserver games. | 10:08 |
| CIA-11 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * tpserver-cpp/README : Added instructions for setting up secure sockets | 10:40 |
| llnz | mithro: why doesn't the "Latest Developments:" section of the right side of the main page change? | 10:42 |
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| CIA-11 | Lee Begg <[email protected]> * libtpproto-cpp/ (index.dox Doxyfile Makefile.am index.dox): | 11:25 |
| CIA-11 | Added index.dox with the Short Intro emailed to tp-devel in late December 06: | 11:25 |
| CIA-11 | This should help people a bit. Will try to keep it up to date. Much of the documentation | 11:25 |
| CIA-11 | needs to be expanded. | 11:25 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * battleviewer/ (14 files in 2 dirs): Cleaned up test files | 11:42 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * battleviewer/ (29 files): More work on the laser drawing | 11:42 |
| llnz | cool | 11:44 |
| jotham | i need to sort out doing gaussian blurs, and right now the laser code uses a lot of cpu and is mostly crap because of a few things | 11:45 |
| jotham | but it's a start =) | 11:45 |
| llnz | hehe, that's all my code is, a start | 11:45 |
| jotham | matlab has a bunch of stuff that Numeric module is missing, whcih sucks | 11:45 |
| jotham | gaussian is trivial in matlab | 11:45 |
| jotham | ahh well | 11:46 |
| llnz | 26,000 lines of c++ start | 11:46 |
| jotham | hah | 11:46 |
| jotham | that's a good effort | 11:46 |
| llnz | some parts of tpserver-cpp are starting to mature nicely though | 11:46 |
| jotham | i have to refactor soon to add widgets | 11:47 |
| jotham | but i think right now mithro would prefer to see some tangable progress | 11:47 |
| jotham | yeah i need to have a look at the whole tp project, i haven't looked much, mostly just concerned myself with what i was tasked with =P | 11:48 |
| llnz | don't get too hung up on tangable progress, refactoring is still good progress | 11:48 |
| llnz | hehe | 11:48 |
| CIA-11 | [email protected] * battleviewer/tests/ (5 files): Little change to starfield | 11:53 |
| jotham | anyway i better get to bed, valentines day today and all | 11:53 |
| llnz | me too | 11:53 |
| llnz | cya | 11:53 |
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| llnz | later all | 11:53 |
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