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| tsglove | Hello everyone. n00b question: What software would you recommend to stream videos to various users? It will be hosted on a linux machine, and the users will use webrowsers to access the video. | 19:13 |
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| tsglove | Not sure if .mp4, or h264... or what. And no idea what software to use on the linux server. I reckon it would be Apache, and... Icecast? | 19:14 |
| paddatrapper | tsglove: icecast is certainly tried and tested | 19:14 |
| tsglove | paddatrapper, super super. Going to try that then, hopefully tomorrow night. | 19:14 |
| CarlFK | youtube ;) | 19:14 |
| tumbleweed | yotube is the easy answer :) | 19:15 |
| tumbleweed | icecast will do webm | 19:15 |
| tsglove | I still have long ways to go (like going from the on-site camera HDMI, all the way to the server)... any HDMI encoder hardware you can recommend? | 19:15 |
| tumbleweed | for mp4, I think you need nginx + a patchset? | 19:15 |
| tumbleweed | or cubemap | 19:15 |
| tsglove | CarlFK, I know YouTube is there, yet I rather do it non-Youtube or non-FacebookLive | 19:15 |
| CarlFK | tsglove: just 1 video source, like a usb camera? | 19:15 |
| tsglove | CarlFK, yeah... just one video source, yet HDMI camera. | 19:17 |
| tsglove | And, another question: Any hardware recommended? Somewhere I can plug in the HDMI video source, and have it output the stream either USB to a computer, or ethernet straight to a server? | 19:27 |
| CarlFK | HDMI video source is a camera, the same one every time, right ? | 19:30 |
| tsglove | CarlFK, yes... the same one, every time. | 19:34 |
| tsglove | It´s a hand-held camera, a la Sony Handycam. | 19:34 |
| tsglove | I am looking at this hardware, yet not sure if it's what is needed for hdmi-to-mp4 : https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products | 20:04 |
| tpb | Title: Blackmagic Design: Products (at www.blackmagicdesign.com) | 20:04 |
| CarlFK | $180 bm pcie card, or $350 bm usb device | 20:05 |
| tsglove | bm = blackmagic? | 20:06 |
| CarlFK | yes | 20:06 |
| tsglove | ok, searching now their site =) | 20:06 |
| CarlFK | lots of us have used the pci-e cards - xfxf has use the usb device | 20:07 |
| CarlFK | if you want more opensource, Opsis | 20:07 |
| tsglove | Ok, pardon my ignorance, yet the encoding would be done in the BlackMagic card itself? I plan on running a laptop on-site, which has an Intel i5 and 16GB... yet I don't think it will fare well if it has to do the encoding itself. | 20:08 |
| CarlFK | er, scratch the more. If you want Open source Open Hardware - Opsis | 20:08 |
| CarlFK | no - these are just interfaces between the linux box and the device | 20:08 |
| tsglove | Yeah, I saw the Numato Opsis... I think I'm going to go with that one, because of the open source-ness | 20:08 |
| CarlFK | yay! | 20:08 |
| tsglove | CarlFK, Oh. Oh. So, the linux box would do the encoding? Using ffmpeg, possible? | 20:09 |
| tsglove | *possibly? | 20:09 |
| CarlFK | correct | 20:09 |
| tsglove | alright! btw, thank you for the help. I know it's a lot of questions that I am sending. | 20:09 |
| tsglove | So... the laptop should be somewhat beefy? processor-wise? Because the hdmi-camera --> Numato Opsis --> linux box | 20:10 |
| CarlFK | na, perfect qustions | 20:10 |
| CarlFK | I think an 3ghz i3 is fine | 20:10 |
| tsglove | Really!? Wowza. Nice. Really nice! | 20:10 |
| tsglove | Obviously, I am testing everything before hand. The event is in October, yet I want to get a head start on all the setup. | 20:11 |
| CarlFK | what sort of event ? | 20:11 |
| tsglove | It's a small "surfing contest" ran locally (wave surfing). | 20:12 |
| CarlFK | neat | 20:12 |
| tsglove | =) | 20:12 |
| CarlFK | how are you connecting to the internet? | 20:12 |
| tsglove | I have small Mikrotik switch on-site, then a small Mikrotik antenna point-to-point off-site. From there, I do another hop, and hook-up to a relatively-good internet connection. | 20:13 |
| tsglove | About 12 MBps upload... not the best, yet... the best I can get there after much searching. | 20:13 |
| CarlFK | 12 is plenty. you need 2 to 3 | 20:13 |
| tsglove | Ah that is super! | 20:14 |
| CarlFK | oh hey.. the Opsis can only do 720p 30 - 1080 anything is going to be low framwork | 20:14 |
| tsglove | Hmm... what do you think? Low framerate as in,... sub 30fps? | 20:15 |
| CarlFK | 10 | 20:15 |
| tsglove | ahh I see. I read up earlier on it, yet didn't read that part. | 20:16 |
| xfxf | CarlFK: i thought it did 1080i/25, but, barely | 20:16 |
| xfxf | (we've always used them in 720p/25 or 30) | 20:16 |
| xfxf | either way, for laptop capture for presentations, it's more than sufficient | 20:17 |
| CarlFK | Opsis is usb2, so it has to do a lossy compression to do 720p30 | 20:18 |
| CarlFK | tsglove: where are you located? | 20:19 |
| tsglove | Caribbean island of Puerto Rico =) | 20:20 |
| tsglove | I was looking at this guy, yet it also does 720p HD webcam. --> https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicwebpresenter/techspecs | 20:20 |
| tpb | Title: Blackmagic Design: Blackmagic Web Presenter Tech Specs (at www.blackmagicdesign.com) | 20:20 |
| CarlFK | neat! ... I where there in 1992? and 95 or such | 20:21 |
| tsglove | I mean, 720p will look good, yet... 1080p would be better. | 20:21 |
| tsglove | CarlFK, Nice!! | 20:21 |
| tsglove | Much better days that time. Now, we are bankrupt... or rather, we can't actually go bankrupt. Like, the entire government. | 20:21 |
| CarlFK | loved it. | 20:21 |
| tsglove | Thus is the life of a colony. =) | 20:21 |
| tsglove | Glad to hear that ! The heat can get to you, yet... every beach is 10-20 minutes away... so that's a plus. And there's also a rainforrest... that's another cool thing. | 20:22 |
| CarlFK | Id like details on your wireless connection (later.. I need to run soon... | 20:25 |
| tsglove | Sure thing ! | 20:25 |
| CarlFK | www.powerracingseries.org Start with $500 and a Power Wheel. (Or any electric kids’ ride on vehicle.) Get some new batteries. A new motor. Heck, some nice new tires. Tie LEDs to the hood. Sprinkle it with glitter. | 20:26 |
| CarlFK | I know the group that started that | 20:26 |
| CarlFK | they want to stream.. but have trouble .. cuz there are 500 geeks with smart phones soaking up all the local bandwidth | 20:26 |
| tsglove | CarlFK, that is *precisely* the reason I "export" the signal out via point-to-point antennas. | 20:27 |
| tsglove | Everything works fine the test weekends... yet when 5,000 people show up on the beach, and everybody wants faceboo, twitter, instagram, and machambibamba.com.... your stream goes into the bottom priority 100. | 20:27 |
| tsglove | Yet if you "export" the signal with point to point antennas, ... you don't have to compete. | 20:28 |
| CarlFK | that was my thought. | 20:28 |
| CarlFK | or find a telco that will sponsor and bring in a truck with who knows what $1,00,000000 worth of whatever | 20:28 |
| tsglove | The antennas I am using are very small, Mikrotik SXt5 ... like 120$ the pair for 100MB... and i think 160$ for the "gigabit" (which run 800 Mbps or so) | 20:28 |
| CarlFK | neat | 20:28 |
| tsglove | haha yes, I tried that. And there is very nice satellite services... with guaranteed uplinks... yet equipmment is like $8,000, and 24 hours of guaranteed bandwidth is like 1400$ | 20:29 |
| tsglove | sooo... not an option at the moment. | 20:29 |
| tsglove | those power wheel racing things look nice! I like it! | 20:29 |
| CarlFK | you need to find a company that wants to sell stuff to the viewers | 20:30 |
| CarlFK | I think powerwheels have the right audience for advertising telco service | 20:30 |
| CarlFK | no clue what your audience is | 20:30 |
| tsglove | Maybe t-mobile... they're the most, imo, agressive in USA. | 20:31 |
| CarlFK | oh hey... ffmpeg and gstreamer will both do the same thing.. we here use gstreamer more, and there are some gst core devs that hang out here | 20:31 |
| tsglove | gstreamer... noted! | 20:31 |
| CarlFK | oh hey, my patch landed in gst main !!! | 20:32 |
| xfxf | CarlFK: you've asked me the same question and i had a similar response to tsglove :P run a point to point link elsewhere using completely different RF spectrum than everybody else using the cell network | 20:32 |
| CarlFK | ima dev! | 20:32 |
| xfxf | the gear these days is stupidly cheap | 20:32 |
| tsglove | CarlFK, yah!! nice nice! congrats on the pullrequest | 20:32 |
| tsglove | xfxf, "different RF spectrum" ... nice way to put it | 20:33 |
| CarlFK | xfxf: remember the spinny ball test parttern from lca ... um.. New Zealand .. | 20:33 |
| xfxf | ya | 20:33 |
| CarlFK | it is in now | 20:35 |
| xfxf | in what? gstreamer? | 20:38 |
| CarlFK | yep | 20:38 |
| xfxf | neat! | 20:40 |
| CarlFK | https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/releases/1.12/ " videotestsrc also gained some new properties to make the ball pattern based on system time, and invert colours each second ("animation-mode", "motion", and "flip" properties)." | 20:43 |
| tpb | Title: GStreamer 1.12 release notes (at gstreamer.freedesktop.org) | 20:43 |
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