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tumbleweed | CarlFK: hit the reset button please (not a power cycle) | 00:02 |
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CarlFK | tumbleweed: whoops, in trying to see about that.. I unplugged it | 00:03 |
CarlFK | and plugged it back in.. about 5 sec later. hmm... | 00:03 |
CarlFK | tumbleweed: still want me to find the reset button? | 00:29 |
CarlFK | I think the button on the case might be plugged into a header that likely was deemed "reset" | 00:30 |
tumbleweed | CarlFK: naah, we're good | 00:30 |
tumbleweed | almost done here | 00:30 |
tumbleweed | CarlFK: now please | 00:33 |
tumbleweed | (reset button, that is) | 00:34 |
CarlFK | k | 00:34 |
tumbleweed | loaded the lm32 firmware now... | 00:34 |
CarlFK | can you put pattern on out 0 so I can see if | 00:34 |
CarlFK | hitting the button does anything ? | 00:34 |
tumbleweed | we don't have it booted up enough to talk to it | 00:35 |
tumbleweed | so no, I can't | 00:35 |
CarlFK | k | 00:35 |
tumbleweed | you could also power cycle if finding the reset button is too hard | 00:36 |
CarlFK | I hit th button, a blue led came on | 00:37 |
CarlFK | now I have garbage on my lcd | 00:37 |
tumbleweed | looks booted | 00:37 |
CarlFK | yay! | 00:37 |
tumbleweed | yay garbage? | 00:37 |
CarlFK | oh, the garabe is moving! | 00:37 |
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CarlFK | yay! | 00:37 |
tumbleweed | ok, you have an LCA firmware on there now | 00:38 |
CarlFK | although the glitch art was ... art! | 00:38 |
tumbleweed | was the glitch art static? | 00:38 |
CarlFK | um.. static.. | 00:40 |
tumbleweed | we're thinking it probably just doesn't initialize the buffer ram on boot, then | 00:40 |
CarlFK | it ws random bytes and every few seconds it would change | 00:40 |
tumbleweed | it was booting up on passthrough mode | 00:40 |
CarlFK | random bytes not changing | 00:40 |
tumbleweed | I mean, 1 -> {0, 1, e} | 00:41 |
CarlFK | you realize static has 2 very different meanings in this context | 00:41 |
tumbleweed | yep :P | 00:41 |
tumbleweed | but I've debugged the thing I cuold only debug with an opsis, so thanks | 00:41 |
tumbleweed | now to see if I can squeeze this into the next debian release (we're already frozen) | 00:42 |
CarlFK | would now be a good time to ask for my atlys to be flashed ? | 00:42 |
CarlFK | I don't need them until July or something | 00:43 |
mithro | CarlFK: If you want an Atlys that doesn't work, sure! | 00:43 |
tumbleweed | mithro says he hasn't been home since this farmware was written, so he hasn' ttested on atlys | 00:43 |
CarlFK | lol | 00:43 |
CarlFK | sounds like I should wait | 00:43 |
tumbleweed | it does | 00:43 |
CarlFK | no prob - just checking | 00:43 |
CarlFK | mithro: did you hear I found a local FPGA guy that is interested in helping? | 00:44 |
mithro | CarlFK: I'll believe it when they actually do something.... | 00:44 |
CarlFK | sure.. but still.. it is exciting .... | 00:45 |
CarlFK | he said stuff like "it is easy to find fpga ip. the tricky part if finding stuff that works. bla bla bla the first thing I will do is figure out how to test it." | 00:45 |
CarlFK | damm. I had an Atlys in my car at the time. I would have loaned it to him if I would have thought about it | 00:46 |
mithro | CarlFK: "find FPGA ip" -- that is not what we do really | 00:47 |
CarlFK | even for like the serial io? | 00:47 |
CarlFK | that was my example of stuff that works but could work better | 00:47 |
mithro | CarlFK: The serial IO stuff is all on the FX2 side of things, not the FPGA | 00:48 |
CarlFK | oh. whoops. | 00:48 |
mithro | tumbleweed: https://github.com/timvideos/HDMI2USB-mode-switch/issues/50 | 00:56 |
tpb | Title: Check that version is working properly in the debian packages · Issue #50 · timvideos/HDMI2USB-mode-switch · GitHub (at github.com) | 00:56 |
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tumbleweed | mithro: https://github.com/timvideos/HDMI2USB-mode-switch/pull/52 | 02:34 |
tpb | Title: Include udev rules in the sdist by stefanor · Pull Request #52 · timvideos/HDMI2USB-mode-switch · GitHub (at github.com) | 02:34 |
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mithro | tumbleweed: https://github.com/timvideos/HDMI2USB-mode-switch/pull/54 | 03:39 |
tpb | Title: Add --reset-gateware by mithro · Pull Request #54 · timvideos/HDMI2USB-mode-switch · GitHub (at github.com) | 03:39 |
mithro | tumbleweed: Need to test that and then we can merge | 03:39 |
xfxf | thaytan: you mentioned @ LCA there was probably a missing sync option in our gstreamer ingests which might explain the desync issues | 04:14 |
xfxf | (copy pasta from a week ago, not sure if you saw - i'm doing another conf in a fortnight so keen to fix) | 04:15 |
CarlFK | xfxf: are you sure it was ingest and not core or gui? | 04:39 |
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thaytan | xfxf, who can remember things from so long ago? | 05:26 |
xfxf | CarlFK: i have no idea | 05:26 |
xfxf | thaytan: lol, do you have any idea what you might have meant? | 05:27 |
xfxf | you mentioned this on the last day of the conf | 05:27 |
CarlFK | pretty sure it had to to with the gui elements getting out of sync | 05:27 |
xfxf | i believe you said we were missing some option on our ingests that actually tells the sinks to stay in sync with the clock master | 05:27 |
CarlFK | like the preview lagging behind the master | 05:27 |
xfxf | like, we have the option of using a clock master, but we haven't actually enabled everything to sync to it, or something | 05:27 |
xfxf | https://github.com/CarlFK/voctomix-outcasts/blob/master/ingest.py | 05:28 |
tpb | Title: voctomix-outcasts/ingest.py at master · CarlFK/voctomix-outcasts · GitHub (at github.com) | 05:28 |
xfxf | is what we're using | 05:28 |
CarlFK | im gussing it is the "or soemthing" part of that ;) | 05:28 |
thaytan | I don't remember what I meant, but I'll have a think about it | 05:28 |
xfxf | yeah, i had zero headspace to do anything about it at the time, but i am super keen now to actually fix something if there's a glaring problem | 05:28 |
xfxf | thaytan: thx | 05:28 |
thaytan | xfxf, I said a thing about how you don't set the base_time anywhere, so while the capture devices will all share a clock with a common rate and won't drift over time, they won't all have the same initial offset | 05:42 |
thaytan | so they may start with some desync and then hold onto it | 05:42 |
xfxf | ah, right | 05:42 |
thaytan | and I think there was also a thing about the gui using an audiosink with sync=false? | 05:42 |
xfxf | this probably explains why i have to do the alsa audio delay thing | 05:42 |
xfxf | is base_time an option i'll see using gst-inspect? | 05:42 |
thaytan | no, it's a pipeline configuration thing | 05:43 |
thaytan | the basetime on a pipeline sets the common 0 reference on the clock for all elements | 05:43 |
thaytan | to capture on different processes / machines and be able to exactly correlate captured data, you need to distribute the basetime across them all | 05:43 |
thaytan | or keep it simple and use a basetime of 0 everywhere | 05:44 |
thaytan | then the timestamps on frames are actual wall clock times | 05:44 |
thaytan | xfxf, we also talked about me setting up a test system here sometime | 05:52 |
thaytan | maybe this weekend | 05:52 |
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paddatrapper | mithro: thanks | 06:36 |
paddatrapper | mithro: I'll try add some stuff about the FX2LP to the docs this evening | 06:40 |
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xfxf | thaytan: humm, actually, are you around on Saturday evening and do you have a spare bed/couch? | 11:03 |
xfxf | i'm heading to Winton on Sunday and was about to look for accom in shepparton... you're the same distance in the other direction | 11:03 |
xfxf | could come early arvo on Sat and drag up an image | 11:03 |
xfxf | if not, the whole thing is ansible'd now, so i should be able to tell you how to get an image going locally | 11:03 |
xfxf | the whole thing _should_ be up on various github repo's but I don't know how and go it is (it assumes a local PXE debian installer) | 11:04 |
thaytan | xfxf, the same distance in the other direction, except then you're twice as far away from your destination? | 11:04 |
xfxf | thaytan: driving an extra hour on Sat doesn't phase me | 11:05 |
xfxf | i used to do melb<>adel trips every two weeks or so | 11:05 |
xfxf | s/how and go/how run and go/, rather | 11:06 |
thaytan | heh | 11:06 |
xfxf | shepparton is kinda a wierd diversion in any case, but closest place that has hotels with accom | 11:06 |
thaytan | xfxf, you're welcome to come stay | 11:06 |
xfxf | apparently some tennis thing on in benalla this weekend | 11:06 |
xfxf | only if you want a hand getting a test install running :) | 11:07 |
xfxf | you got a spare laptop? | 11:07 |
xfxf | i have some spare core 2 duo's around too (which will do 1x 720p stream but no more - i.e. single source into voctocore only) - i use those as spare machines to test hdmi2usb things on | 11:07 |
thaytan | xfxf, there's spare machines | 11:09 |
thaytan | one 6 core i7 for the server | 11:10 |
thaytan | and core 2 duo and/or raspberry pis for inputs | 11:10 |
xfxf | do you have a hdmi2usb? | 11:10 |
xfxf | ah, neat, that'll be plenty | 11:10 |
thaytan | I have an Opsis | 11:11 |
thaytan | it's never been turned on | 11:11 |
xfxf | ha | 13:03 |
xfxf | let me know if you want me to give you a hand setting stuff up sat late arvo/evening, more than happy to head up with a copy of the imaging stuff | 13:04 |
xfxf | if you've got everything there should only take a couple of hours to get you the same setup we used at LCA | 13:05 |
xfxf | including a working build environment for the hdmi2usb firmware | 13:05 |
xfxf | zero doubts you can do it of course, but i assume this will be exponentially quicker given the documentation for everything is a bit scattered | 13:05 |
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tumbleweed | CarlFK: thanks :) https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=855555#17 | 16:37 |
tpb | Title: #855555 - unblock: hdmi2usb-fx2-firmware/0.0.0~git20151225-1 - Debian Bug report logs (at bugs.debian.org) | 16:37 |
tumbleweed | also, how's that bug number :P | 16:37 |
CarlFK | tumbleweed: morning - yatzi! | 16:45 |
tumbleweed | :P | 16:46 |
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CarlFK | tumbleweed: is it ok if I image that negk machine you were using ? | 17:59 |
mithro | tumbleweed: Want to test that reset patch? | 18:06 |
tumbleweed | gah, a key on my laptop keyboard just broke :( | 18:07 |
tumbleweed | CarlFK: can I use it a bit more later, to check that I got modeswitch in the PPA, into a good state? | 18:22 |
CarlFK | tumbleweed: no problem. it can stay of for days or weeks really | 18:24 |
tumbleweed | naah, hours should be fine :P | 18:24 |
CarlFK | I just agreed to do video March 25. ;) | 18:24 |
tumbleweed | just having breakfast right now | 18:24 |
CarlFK | jea or anyone know where the thing is that hooks vocto core to youtube? | 18:25 |
tumbleweed | CarlFK: lca 2017 repository | 18:26 |
tumbleweed | IIRC | 18:26 |
tumbleweed | or the debconf video one. Can't remember | 18:26 |
CarlFK | one of the ansibles? | 18:26 |
tumbleweed | yep | 18:26 |
CarlFK | tumbleweed: I found this for icecast https://anonscm.debian.org/git/debconf-video/ansible.git/tree/roles/voctomix/templates/stream-voctomix-hq.j2 | 18:39 |
tpb | Title: debconf-video/ansible - Ansible playbooks for the DebConf Video Team's machines (at anonscm.debian.org) | 18:39 |
CarlFK | I don't see any youtube around there ... or anywhere | 18:39 |
mithro | CarlFK: jea definitely committed it somewhere | 18:42 |
mithro | paddatrapper: I'm going to move all the firmware we use on the FX2 in the HDMI2USB project into the https://github.com/timvideos/HDMI2USB-fx2-firmware repo (rather then part of the misoc/litex firmware repos). | 19:12 |
tpb | Title: GitHub - timvideos/HDMI2USB-fx2-firmware: HDMI2USB firmware for the Cypress FX2 found on the Digilent Atlys and Numato Opsis boards. (at github.com) | 19:12 |
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paddatrapper | mithro: good idea | 19:47 |
paddatrapper | Fractured code doesn't help anyone | 19:47 |
jea[m] | CarlFK: this one is what you want https://anonscm.debian.org/git/debconf-video/ansible.git/tree/roles/voctomix/templates/videoteam-stream.j2 | 20:10 |
tpb | Title: debconf-video/ansible - Ansible playbooks for the DebConf Video Team's machines (at anonscm.debian.org) | 20:10 |
jea[m] | Just need to point that at a YouTube endpoint after you have created it | 20:11 |
CarlFK | jea[m]: thanks. how do I not have that on my local repo? | 20:20 |
CarlFK | I have a feeling I didn't git pull when I should have.. | 20:20 |
jea[m] | Hmm, not sure on that one. I think it went in around Wednesday of LCA, so should be there | 20:22 |
CarlFK | I guess I get to do a git pull and wade though the merge.. right? | 20:38 |
tumbleweed | CarlFK: probably. Although a merged branch is usually harder to review than a rebased one | 20:43 |
CarlFK | tumbleweed: um.. k. can you walk me though what I should do? I have 2 sets of changes: 1 veyepar install 2-pxe stuff (minimal changes that I think you will be fine with, a base for me to hack later into what I want) | 20:52 |
tumbleweed | CarlFK: all entirely uncommited? | 21:26 |
CarlFK | tumbleweed: yes. sec.. Ill post a git diff - I think that will easy to take in | 21:27 |
tumbleweed | CarlFK: ok, git stash | 21:27 |
tumbleweed | then you can pull | 21:27 |
mithro | tumbleweed: so... that testing? :-P | 21:27 |
tumbleweed | then git stash pop | 21:27 |
tumbleweed | mithro: yep, sitting down to do that | 21:28 |
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CarlFK | tumbleweed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24036282 -- | 21:37 |
tpb | Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com) | 21:37 |
CarlFK | can you skim that over before I stash pull etc? | 21:37 |
CarlFK | also, how strong do you feel about not installing a web server? I shoved it in to get things testable. I think I can shift to tftp if you care | 21:38 |
tumbleweed | CarlFK: we ended up with a webserver at LCA, I think it's something that'll usually be useful | 21:40 |
tumbleweed | it just hasn't been necessary for anything in the ansible repo,yet | 21:40 |
tumbleweed | there are things in that dif that'c can't possibly be right | 21:40 |
CarlFK | possible | 21:40 |
tumbleweed | +Acquire::http::Proxy "http://{{ inventory_hostname }}:8000/"; | 21:40 |
tumbleweed | that says the apt proxy is always on localhost, right? | 21:41 |
CarlFK | um. no. | 21:41 |
tumbleweed | I'm also skeptical of ignore_errors: yes | 21:41 |
CarlFK | that was to work around the "reboot" thing | 21:41 |
tumbleweed | I don't think that's something you want to work-around | 21:42 |
tumbleweed | you either want to handle it properly, or require a reboot | 21:42 |
tumbleweed | handling it properly means taking down the interfaces before changing the ifupdown config, so ifupdown doesn't get confused | 21:42 |
tumbleweed | really, I guess what I want is commits explaining the need for most of this :) | 21:43 |
tumbleweed | I don't know what problems you are trying to solve | 21:44 |
CarlFK | mostly making it easier to test | 21:44 |
tumbleweed | can you elaborate? | 21:45 |
CarlFK | I have been createing a pxe server, then using it to build a 2nd pxe server, then the first gets installed from the 2nd. back and forth 20 times or so now | 21:45 |
tumbleweed | lol | 21:45 |
tumbleweed | why on earth did you need to do that? | 21:46 |
CarlFK | having to track down all the paces the IP of the server is used and change it from .3 to .4 or whatver | 21:46 |
tumbleweed | yeah, that explains some of this | 21:46 |
tumbleweed | honestly, I wouldn't bother with PXE for tetsing | 21:46 |
CarlFK | to move the host of late_command from github to the local anything (kinda my laptop, ansible copies it to the pxe server) | 21:46 |
tumbleweed | but you could have done that by just changing late_command_url, surely? | 21:48 |
CarlFK | I need to change it to something the client machine can get | 21:49 |
tumbleweed | and it can't get it from github / your laptop / something? | 21:49 |
CarlFK | like the pxe box. and so it needs to be put on the box. | 21:49 |
CarlFK | the client can't get to my laptop all the time | 21:50 |
tumbleweed | CarlFK: that still doesn't answer my question | 21:51 |
tumbleweed | you can give pxe1 the url tftp://pxe1/late_command.sh, and pxe2 the url tftp://pxe2/... | 21:52 |
tumbleweed | but I suppose, yes, it makes sense to generate it from hostanme, if we're putting it in place from ansible | 21:52 |
tumbleweed | I wish this stuff was on github, so we could easily do code review :( | 21:52 |
xfxf | tumbleweed: hey, how's things? did you see my email? | 21:53 |
CarlFK | also that means late...sh needs to be moved onto the server. previously it was moved to github via an undocumented step (kinda) | 21:53 |
tumbleweed | CarlFK: yeah, because there was no sane default for debian | 21:53 |
tumbleweed | xfxf: no email, but I do recall a hangouts ping | 21:54 |
xfxf | oh, maybe it was that - i'm putting a bid together for us pycon, wanted to see if you were interested | 21:54 |
xfxf | even tentative interest is good | 21:54 |
* tumbleweed is planning to go to pycon | 21:54 | |
tumbleweed | I mean, i've got tickets, hotel etc | 21:54 |
xfxf | oh, right, you got the rego? | 21:54 |
xfxf | if you want to go as a normal delegate that's totally understandable | 21:54 |
tumbleweed | yeah, a couple of months ago | 21:55 |
tumbleweed | so, I'll be there. And I'm hapy to help | 21:55 |
tumbleweed | but I can't do more than a day or two of setup, and don't raelly want to get stuck in a back room | 21:56 |
xfxf | rad. no idea if we'll get the bid, but good to know you're happy to be on the team | 21:56 |
xfxf | that's fine | 21:56 |
tumbleweed | :) good luck with that | 21:56 |
xfxf | i'm likely going to come to pycon anyway as a delegate even if this doesn't go anywhere | 21:57 |
xfxf | thanks | 21:57 |
xfxf | you still doing the world tour of conferences btw? | 22:04 |
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tumbleweed | saw mithro here, yesterday | 22:04 |
CarlFK | tumbleweed: would it help if I changed my local checkout to github and pushed it all up there so we could use it's history browser soemthing? | 22:04 |
xfxf | oh lol, mithro is still travelling? i thought he was back in sydney | 22:06 |
tumbleweed | he leaves tonight | 22:06 |
xfxf | that explains why he's not been around much :P | 22:06 |
tumbleweed | CarlFK: push current master as master, push your stuff into a separate branch/branches, and then we can do PRs with review | 22:07 |
xfxf | and why he was having trouble with his Telstra sim card | 22:07 |
xfxf | mithro: i had Telstra royally f*ck up my roaming too a few trips ago :/ kept insisting it was enabled, it wasn't | 22:07 |
CarlFK | tumbleweed: push to github, right ? | 22:09 |
tumbleweed | CarlFK: yeah | 22:09 |
mithro | xfxf: I'll give the uni a call shortly | 22:17 |
xfxf | mithro: np, sorry, I didn't realise you were still travelling, this explains why it's complicated | 22:17 |
mithro | Looking forward to getting home | 22:20 |
tumbleweed | mithro: found a bug | 22:34 |
CarlFK | is that why my lcd is black? | 22:34 |
tumbleweed | no | 22:36 |
tumbleweed | mithro: also, reset-gateware doesn't seem to actually do anything | 22:38 |
tumbleweed | oh, it only works with -v | 22:39 |
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mithro | Oh? | 22:40 |
mithro | How are you testing? | 22:40 |
mithro | Just getting lunch be back in 30 | 22:40 |
tumbleweed | mithro: atlys | 22:40 |
CarlFK | oh right, it went black because I unplugged it | 22:41 |
tumbleweed | :P | 22:42 |
* tumbleweed was going to test there, next | 22:42 | |
CarlFK | just the lcd - negk and opsis are still up | 22:46 |
mithro | tumbleweed: I meant, more what commands are you running and how are you "verifying" the reset behaviour? | 23:03 |
tumbleweed | mithro: hdmi2usb-mode-switch --reset-gateware | 23:04 |
tumbleweed | verifying with an LCD, and serial terminal | 23:04 |
mithro | tumbleweed: on the atlys you should be able to stay connected with the serial port while the FPGA reboots and see the bios come up? | 23:05 |
tumbleweed | yeah, sometimes | 23:05 |
tumbleweed | not every time | 23:05 |
tumbleweed | and that happens with -v, but absolutely nothing happens without it | 23:05 |
mithro | tumbleweed: No errors? | 23:06 |
tumbleweed | if I hack in real debugging without verbose, I get: | 23:06 |
tumbleweed | Error: Trying to use configured scan chain anyway... | 23:06 |
tumbleweed | Error: xc6s.tap: IR capture error; saw 0x03 not 0x01 | 23:06 |
tumbleweed | Warn : Bypassing JTAG setup events due to errors | 23:06 |
tumbleweed | Found 1 boards. | 23:06 |
tumbleweed | which is pretty much identical to when it works | 23:07 |
tumbleweed | except for it working :/ | 23:07 |
mithro | hrm... You shouldn't see any IR capture errors... :/ | 23:08 |
mithro | tumbleweed: Can you paste the complete output somewhere? | 23:08 |
mithro | BTW Does it reboot automatically after loading now? | 23:08 |
tumbleweed | https://paste.debian.net/915913/ | 23:08 |
tpb | Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net) | 23:08 |
tumbleweed | difference seems to be lines 57 vs 119 | 23:10 |
mithro | tumbleweed: what about loading/flashing? | 23:10 |
tumbleweed | loading did a reset, without -v | 23:11 |
mithro | tumbleweed: Can you paste the output of both too? | 23:12 |
tumbleweed | flashing fails with the 818181 thing. How do we work around taht on atlys? | 23:12 |
tumbleweed | mithro: with my hax that show you verbose with out -v? | 23:13 |
mithro | tumbleweed: switch to the production firmware maybe? | 23:15 |
* tumbleweed is not sure what that means | 23:15 | |
CarlFK | tumbleweed: https://github.com/CarlFK/video-stack-deploy look at all those branches and stuff :p | 23:19 |
tpb | Title: GitHub - CarlFK/video-stack-deploy (at github.com) | 23:19 |
CarlFK | including somethng that makes me think parsnip | 23:19 |
tumbleweed | CarlFK: can you file PRs in there? | 23:20 |
tumbleweed | oh, they all depend on each other | 23:20 |
tumbleweed | one at a time, then :P | 23:20 |
tumbleweed | +1 for noroot | 23:21 |
tumbleweed | I mean, that looks good. I want to discuss the next bits | 23:22 |
CarlFK | 3 prs up | 23:24 |
mithro | paddatrapper: If you want a simple FX2 related task to look into, do you want to see if you can port the FX2 firmware loading stuff to Python+LibUSB? | 23:27 |
mithro | tumbleweed: Can you give me remote access to your Atlys? | 23:27 |
mithro | paddatrapper: The first thing to do would be figure out the FX2 reset sequence | 23:28 |
mithro | paddatrapper: And add a "--reset-fx2" into HDMI2USB-mode-switch | 23:28 |
tumbleweed | mithro: yeah, give me 10 mins | 23:28 |
CarlFK | want me to add an atlys to negk? | 23:28 |
tumbleweed | mithro: if you want access to CarlFK's opsis, that's even easier :P | 23:28 |
tumbleweed | yeah | 23:28 |
mithro | tumbleweed: Probably both | 23:29 |
CarlFK | k - give me 10 to find/plug in | 23:29 |
CarlFK | mithro: do you want the atlys on the same host at the opsis? | 23:29 |
mithro | CarlFK: not a the moment, would want it on a different computer | 23:29 |
CarlFK | k - I have plenty | 23:29 |
CarlFK | oh yeah, you have seen my living room. not much has changed | 23:30 |
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CarlFK | mithro: atlys powered and plugged in to usb - do you need hdmi in/out? | 23:57 |
tumbleweed | doubt he does | 23:58 |
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