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| CarlFK | what's the scoop on production run of hdmi2usb? | 00:51 |
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| CarlFK | it might be a good time to see if Fosdem can fund .. they need 25 or so. maybe 50 or 60 to hook up to cameras | 00:52 |
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| mithro | CarlFK: when is FOSDEM? | 02:39 |
| CarlFK | mithro: February | 02:40 |
| CarlFK | https://fosdem.org/2015/ Jan 31, Feb 1 | 02:40 |
| tpb | Title: FOSDEM 2015 - Home (at fosdem.org) | 02:40 |
| CarlFK | I think they will have 22 rooms again | 02:49 |
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| mithro | CarlFK: if they are serious about doing that, we need to do a bunch of things | 03:50 |
| CarlFK | such as? | 03:55 |
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| mithro | CarlFK: get everything into a state where it would be possible to do that | 04:20 |
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| mithro | CarlFK: run a bunch of testing | 04:20 |
| CarlFK | I thought you had a PCB and maybe a assembled unit? | 04:25 |
| CarlFK | I may be thinking of a case for the Atlys board | 04:25 |
| mithro | CarlFK: we have two assembled units, but they aren't "production ready" yet and still trying to solve some issues with them | 04:27 |
| mithro | CarlFK: using Atlys boards is an option, but we again need to be confident that they will work | 04:27 |
| CarlFK | ah, didn't know there were issues | 04:27 |
| CarlFK | Fosdem is at a university, maybe they can get 50 at the edu rate | 04:29 |
| CarlFK | i bet not.. I poked at that process, there was a bit of "describe the project, who is your professor, what is the course" | 04:30 |
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| mithro | anyone know of a "lsusb -t" / "lspci -t" like tool for showing hard drive connectivity via controllers and such? | 05:32 |
| CarlFK | mithro: sudo lshw -class disk | 05:37 |
| CarlFK | lsblk | 05:40 |
| CarlFK | lsblk --output MAJ:MIN,TYPE,ROTA | 05:43 |
| CarlFK | I think ROTA is 0 for ssd | 05:44 |
| mithro | CarlFK: I'm after which controllers each disk is connected too | 05:46 |
| CarlFK | ah | 05:46 |
| mithro | IE I think one of the controllers in my computer just had a wobbly and it took out the drives on it | 05:47 |
| mithro | I have 3 SATA controllers | 05:49 |
| mithro | 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation C600/X79 series chipset 6-Port SATA AHCI Controller (rev 06) | 05:50 |
| mithro | 07:00.0 Serial Attached SCSI controller: Intel Corporation C602 chipset 4-Port SATA Storage Control Unit (rev 06) | 05:50 |
| mithro | 0c:00.0 SATA controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE9230 PCIe SATA 6Gb/s Controller (rev 10) | 05:50 |
| CarlFK | try sudo lshw alone | 05:50 |
| CarlFK | description: SATA controller | 05:51 |
| CarlFK | product: 7 Series Chipset Family 6-port SATA Controller [AHCI mode] | 05:51 |
| CarlFK | ... | 05:51 |
| CarlFK | er, I only have 1. not sure it shows my drives hooked to that | 05:51 |
| mithro | yeah, but which of my hard drives are connected to that controller? | 05:51 |
| CarlFK | good q. nothing seems to enumerate? them like you need | 06:11 |
| CarlFK | mithro: is there any description of what the problem is with the 2 assembled units? if that's the blocker (maybe) to getting 60 built fosdem may have the people to help | 06:16 |
| mithro | CarlFK: there are plenty of things FOSDEM can do to help which would give me more free time to figure out the issue with the assembled board | 06:17 |
| CarlFK | k, Ill tell them to do plenty of things ;) | 06:17 |
| mithro | CarlFK: people who know VHDL/Verilog and those tools would be very helpful | 06:19 |
| CarlFK | I need some bait | 06:20 |
| mithro | CarlFK: for example the Cypress firmware needs to be ported to sdcc from the windows only compiler | 06:20 |
| mithro | CarlFK: making a useful case for the Atlys board would be another example | 06:21 |
| mithro | CarlFK: seen this interface before -> http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1020592/AI-Postmortem ? | 06:24 |
| tpb | Title: GDC Vault - AI Postmortem: Hearthstone (at www.gdcvault.com) | 06:24 |
| CarlFK | mithro: I'v seen various side by side. that's one of the better ones | 06:26 |
| mithro | CarlFK: you can skip around bits really nicely | 06:27 |
| CarlFK | yeah, with little chapter marks | 06:27 |
| CarlFK | mithro: how is porting Cypress firmware a blocker? | 06:29 |
| mithro | CarlFK: it isn't a blocker, but it is a barrier to development and getting new boards ready | 06:30 |
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| CarlFK | mithro: I saw something working on the atlys a while ago. then it started crashing about the time you were here | 06:36 |
| CarlFK | I am having trouble understanding what needs to be done to have something useable for fosdem? | 06:38 |
| mithro | CarlFK: we need to have a working device which is well tested and in use | 06:38 |
| CarlFK | I don't think so | 06:39 |
| CarlFK | I think if there is something that kinda works they will hack on it | 06:40 |
| mithro | CarlFK: I'm not going to suggest FOSDEM by 40 of something which isn't working | 06:40 |
| mithro | CarlFK: field testing of the devices is going to find problems and incompatibilities, we need to find these and fix them | 06:45 |
| CarlFK | you just said there is a problem with the 2 assembled units. what can someone do to understand that problem ? | 06:47 |
| mithro | CarlFK: there are two people who can work on that problem in the world (as there are 2 units), one of them is me | 06:48 |
| mithro | CarlFK: nobody else has access to the hardware, which is required to figure out the problem | 06:48 |
| mithro | CarlFK: however, there is still a lot of work needed to get the firmware up to a "conference level production ready" | 06:49 |
| mithro | CarlFK: the firmware is used on both boards | 06:49 |
| mithro | CarlFK: you should also be able to do recording and stuff witht the Atlys board | 06:49 |
| mithro | CarlFK: showing the Atlys is working in the production situtations will mean when the other board is suitable for doing so, it will be much easier | 06:50 |
| mithro | CarlFK: short of the FOSDEM people donating me a 50k oscilloscope, there isn't much they can do except give me more time to work on it by finishing other things which need done | 06:57 |
| CarlFK | how about producing another board? | 06:58 |
| mithro | CarlFK: we can't produce another board until we know what is wrong with this board | 06:59 |
| CarlFK | same board, same problem so there can be someone else looking at it | 06:59 |
| CarlFK | like someone who has the 50k scope | 07:00 |
| mithro | CarlFK: okay, in batches of 5, it cost roughly $5k USD | 07:00 |
| CarlFK | how much was 2? | 07:02 |
| mithro | CarlFK: same price | 07:03 |
| CarlFK | lol | 07:03 |
| mithro | CarlFK: they are much better off buying a couple of Atlys boards and helping make the firmware better | 07:05 |
| mithro | CarlFK: it would be helpful if you were trying to use your Atlys board too | 07:06 |
| CarlFK | yeah.. I haven't had time to unclog my kitchen drain for over a month | 07:07 |
| Joelw | I wouldn't suggest using an Atlys to fix that :( | 07:08 |
| CarlFK | lol | 07:08 |
| mithro | CarlFK: if they are serious about doing FODSEM in February, they should be playing with an Atlys board *now* | 07:09 |
| CarlFK | yeah - that's why I was asking. | 07:09 |
| mithro | CarlFK: doing your thing of going to user groups and trying to use an Atlys board is a very useful thing to be doing | 07:10 |
| CarlFK | I am sure they will love hearing "there is a problem, no you can't know any details, just look for more problems and hope Tim finds some time." | 07:10 |
| mithro | CarlFK: if push comes to shove, Atlys boards are a stop-gap solution | 07:14 |
| CarlFK | Jan and July are the only 2 times this year I have had time to do a user group | 07:14 |
| mithro | CarlFK: there are some advantages of our custom hardware (mainly cost), but the Atlys boards should be reasonable too | 07:17 |
| CarlFK | my thoughts on fosdem: last year they had trouble getting enough twinpacts and cameras. | 07:18 |
| CarlFK | hey look, there is 1 twinapct on ebay for $75 | 07:18 |
| CarlFK | anyway, a few of the organizers were very vocal about "lets see if we can do something else next year" | 07:20 |
| CarlFK | omg.. 2:20am.. I need to get to bed | 07:22 |
| mithro | CarlFK: sure, and I'd like to support them in doing so, but I only have limited resources and a full time job | 07:22 |
| CarlFK | I either don't tell them you are having problems (which seems not nice) or I tell them and we know they will want details | 07:23 |
| CarlFK | I am guessing you don't have any details they can read, right ? | 07:24 |
| mithro | CarlFK: it's really simple, you say "Our prototyping board (the Atlys) needs testing but should be usable - it's a bit expensive but available right now, our custom hardware is currently stalled on an issue and we are working to fix them but short on time." | 07:26 |
| mithro | CarlFK: "The Atlys should be suitable for doing recording, but we could use some help with testing and some tasks like creating cases and such to make it more reliable in the field." | 07:27 |
| mithro | CarlFK: what is wrong with that? | 07:27 |
| CarlFK | stalled on an issue will result in "whats the issue?" and I am trying to get a head start on that | 07:27 |
| CarlFK | also the fact that I haven't seen the Atly's board working for a long time.. I don't really feel good about encouraging someone else to get one. | 07:29 |
| mithro | CarlFK: why does it matter? https://blog.mithis.net/archives/timvideos-us/1995-hdmi2usb-production-board-bring-up-day-4-24th-july-2014 | 07:29 |
| tpb | Title: Mithro rants about stuff : HDMI2USB – Production Board Bring Up – Day 4 (24th July 2014) (at blog.mithis.net) | 07:29 |
| mithro | CarlFK: the GSoC students had them working | 07:29 |
| CarlFK | if yours is working, then you should post that to the fosdem-video list | 07:29 |
| CarlFK | then they should post... | 07:29 |
| CarlFK | https://blog.mithis.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/IMG_20140725_0029322.jpg | 07:33 |
| CarlFK | neat - never saw that | 07:33 |
| CarlFK | $ host www.hdmi2usb.tv | 07:35 |
| CarlFK | Host www.hdmi2usb.tv not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) | 07:35 |
| mithro | CarlFK: remove the www | 07:44 |
| mithro | CarlFK: but there isn't really a webpage yet | 07:45 |
| CarlFK | it's on the board | 07:45 |
| CarlFK | you have the problem I had when I made business cards... | 07:45 |
| CarlFK | cards have URLs, URLs need a site, so I had to make a site. | 07:46 |
| mithro | CarlFK: sure, making the website is on the TODO list | 07:46 |
| mithro | CarlFK: you can see from the blog posts that I was doing PyOhio stuff when I should have been doing HDMI2USB hardware work | 07:46 |
| CarlFK | [email protected] | 07:52 |
| CarlFK | I could post, but I can't answer any questions very positively other than "I hear someone..." | 07:53 |
| CarlFK | im off to bed - see ya | 07:53 |
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