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| mithro | morning people | 00:36 |
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| techman83 | morning | 00:36 |
| mithro | hyades: what are your thoughts on GSoC? | 00:36 |
| mithro | hey techman83 | 00:39 |
| mithro | techman83: do you need to know anything more about GSoC? | 00:39 |
| techman83 | I think at this point in time, I may not quite have the free time to be involved as a mentor | 00:41 |
| CarlFK | bb in 20 min | 00:42 |
| techman83 | I'd still like to see how it all happens though and be available to help out where I can | 00:42 |
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| techman83 | We're moving our head office and I'm travelling during GSoC, so I'd hate to be an unreliable mentor | 00:45 |
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| iiie0 | mithro CarlFK eta all: any idea what the potential mentor count is? | 02:32 |
| * iiie0 figures at least the three of us from last year, plus one | 02:33 | |
| iiie0 | how many in here right now are potential mentors? | 02:35 |
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| CarlFK | theres one now! | 02:35 |
| CarlFK | and me | 02:36 |
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| skay | I would like to help this time around | 02:36 |
| * iiie0 thinks he's back | 02:38 | |
| iiie0 | let's try that again | 02:38 |
| iiie0 | anyone up for a little responsibility (and power)? by which I mean mentors! | 02:39 |
| skay | iiie0: I would like to help this time around | 02:39 |
| skay | if I can | 02:39 |
| skay | let me know | 02:40 |
| CarlFK | me too | 02:40 |
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| iiie1 | right, anyone who hasn't been disconnected repeatedly get a count. (sorry) | 02:44 |
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| CarlFK | I am number 2 | 02:45 |
| iiie1 | thanks! | 02:46 |
| parx | I'm helping as admin again | 02:46 |
| skay | I am willing to help | 02:46 |
| iiie1 | cool, that gets 4 mentors minimum (counting mithro and me too) | 02:48 |
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| iiie1 | I figure we'll have a couple more potential mentors in the wood work too | 02:49 |
| parx | iiie1 I see you're adding comments to the ToDo list doc | 02:49 |
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| parx | The application is due Dec 14 | 02:55 |
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| parx | er Feb 14 | 02:57 |
| parx | GSoC says the most important part is the Ideas page and it needs fixing up. http://code.timvideos.us/Ideas.html | 02:59 |
| tpb | Title: Tim Videos - Getting Started! (at code.timvideos.us) | 02:59 |
| parx | Earlier today, the GSoC boss said this was a great Ideas page http://trac.xapian.org/wiki/GSoCProjectIdeas | 03:03 |
| tpb | Title: GSoCProjectIdeas – Xapian (at trac.xapian.org) | 03:03 |
| parx | I don't quite know how to rank difficulty level or pre reqs for individual TimVideos projects though. | 03:04 |
| iiie1 | mithro, when you have a moment, where can we edit http://code.timvideos.us/Ideas.html ? | 03:16 |
| tpb | Title: Tim Videos - Getting Started! (at code.timvideos.us) | 03:16 |
| iiie1 | The git hub repo seems to say not to edit in the repo, but the wiki seems to be the same thing again. | 03:17 |
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| mithro | iiie1: edit the wiki | 04:09 |
| mithro | iiie1: then the wiki is pushed to the main repository | 04:09 |
| iiie1 | ah | 04:09 |
| iiie1 | thanks | 04:10 |
| mithro | Not sure if that is still working in an automated fasion | 04:10 |
| * iiie1 will findout shortly | 04:11 | |
| parx | yeah, I was unclear about that too | 04:13 |
| iiie1 | I'll change the README on the wiki to make it clearer, provided the auto push works it should then update in the main repo too. | 04:13 |
| mithro | iiie1: great! | 04:13 |
| parx | yay! less scary! | 04:14 |
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| iiie1 | Doesn't seem to have pushed. | 04:17 |
| iiie1 | mithro, was it a webhook? | 04:20 |
| mithro | iiie1: no it was a cron job | 04:20 |
| iiie1 | I don't think I have access to that | 04:21 |
| mithro | iiie1: nope, only I do | 04:24 |
| parx | Take a look at #3 What is an Ideas list? https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#1._How_does_a_mentoring_organization | 04:24 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/Auao> (at www.google-melange.com) | 04:24 |
| parx | "At a minimum, all the ideas on your Ideas List should include the expected outcome of the project, a potential mentor, the skills and/or languages required to complete the project, and a general "difficulty" level. " | 04:25 |
| skay | hmm, I don't think I am good mentor for this then, since I don't have up to date experience with all of the languages | 04:29 |
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| tvCommitBot | [getting-started] mithro pushed 5 new commits to master: http://git.io/T5tRcg | 05:34 |
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| mithro | parx: before you get to much further along, that information should be in the bug description | 05:35 |
| mithro | parx: do you have the ability to edit the issues? | 05:35 |
| parx | sorry mithro, what bug description? Yes, I think I can edit issues. | 05:40 |
| parx | I was just fixing broken internal links on the wiki | 05:41 |
| mithro | parx: IE https://github.com/timvideos/getting-started/issues/11 | 05:41 |
| tpb | Title: [streaming-system] Create a mobile theme for the website · Issue #11 · timvideos/getting-started · GitHub (at github.com) | 05:41 |
| mithro | that should have "expected outcome of the project, a potential mentor, the skills and/or languages required to complete the project, and a general "difficulty" level." | 05:41 |
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| parx | but... "A link to a bug tracker for your open source organization is NOT an ideas list." Would that stuff need to be on the Ideas page, not just in bug tracker? | 05:43 |
| mithro | parx: the issue tracker at https://github.com/timvideos/getting-started/issues?state=open is *NOT* a bug tracker, it's an "ideas tracker" | 05:45 |
| tpb | Title: Issues · timvideos/getting-started · GitHub (at github.com) | 05:45 |
| mithro | IE there shouldn't be any bugs there | 05:45 |
| mithro | it's basically a dynamic, filterable version of an ideas page | 05:45 |
| parx | I'd hate for gsoc admin to make the same misunderstanding. Maybe that should be stated somewhere upfront. | 05:47 |
| iiie1 | If the spec for an ideas page says don't link to a bug tracker... Are you quite sure that having a tracker that isn't used for bugs is far enough away? | 05:48 |
| parx | The goal is to have a single self contained Ideas Page with info that is clear and easy for students to digest. | 05:49 |
| parx | I think? | 05:49 |
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| parx | These Ideas Pages for other orgs got good reviews today: | 05:53 |
| parx | http://trac.xapian.org/wiki/GSoCProjectIdeas | 05:53 |
| parx | http://wiki.tox.im/Proposed_Google_Summer_of_Code_ideas | 05:53 |
| tpb | Title: GSoCProjectIdeas – Xapian (at trac.xapian.org) | 05:53 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/AufJ> (at wiki.tox.im) | 05:53 |
| mithro | work on making sure each idea has the proper information, I'll work on the gsoc admin stuff | 05:54 |
| mithro | and we did the same thing last year too :) | 05:55 |
| parx | mithro Following up: I made the new 2014 profile on my same melange account | 06:10 |
| mithro | parx: great! | 06:11 |
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| mithro | yay, looks like auto-pushing stuff is working again | 06:38 |
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| tvCommitBot | getting-started/master ed47a46 Parx: added link to Ideas Tracker | 06:49 |
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| hyades | mithro: no thoughts.. | 07:22 |
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| mithro | parx: ping? | 17:28 |
| parx | what's up? | 17:29 |
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| tvCommitBot | [getting-started] timvideos-website pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/YoTYpw | 17:29 |
| tvCommitBot | getting-started/master 306ba78 Tim 'mithro' Ansell: Dynamically build an ideas from issue tracker using javascript. | 17:29 |
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| mithro | parx: see commit I just pushed | 17:30 |
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| mithro | parx: should be live shortly | 17:30 |
| mithro | parx: needs us to work on the ideas stuff quite a bit more | 17:30 |
| mithro | parx: take a look at http://code.timvideos.us/Ideas.html | 17:31 |
| tpb | Title: Tim Videos - Getting Started! (at code.timvideos.us) | 17:31 |
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| mithro | parx: it dynamically generates the content from the ideas page | 17:31 |
| mithro | parx: it dynamically generates the content from the issue tracker | 17:31 |
| rbyne | mithro: hello,is your organization interested in gsoc this year ? | 17:32 |
| mithro | rbyne: yes | 17:33 |
| mithro | parx: it pulls the labels information and the bug that is referenced in the title | 17:33 |
| mithro | IE | 17:33 |
| mithro | https://github.com/timvideos/getting-started/issues/5 | 17:34 |
| tpb | Title: [HDMI2USB #13] Add USB 3.0 support · Issue #5 · timvideos/getting-started · GitHub (at github.com) | 17:34 |
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| mithro | when it imports that, it also imports HDMI2USB bug #13 | 17:34 |
| mithro | parx: but I really need to be in bed now | 17:34 |
| mithro | parx: could you work on the bug descriptions? | 17:35 |
| mithro | parx: can you change the descriptions on bugs? | 17:35 |
| parx | Yeah I'll give it a try | 17:36 |
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| parx | Does that just mean adding a comment? | 17:38 |
| mithro | no | 17:39 |
| parx | mithro For your example of HDMI2USB #13] Add USB 3.0 support, I don't see a way to add a description field. | 17:40 |
| mithro | you should see an edit button up in the corner | 17:40 |
| mithro | parx: and the ability to change labels on the side | 17:40 |
| parx | I don't see edit button. Do I have to be a member of the org? | 17:41 |
| mithro | parx: I just added you | 17:44 |
| mithro | your username is parx right? | 17:44 |
| parx | yes | 17:44 |
| parx | I'll refresh and hopefully see Edit | 17:44 |
| mithro | oops | 17:45 |
| mithro | try again now | 17:45 |
| mithro | I only added read access | 17:45 |
| mithro | should have write access now | 17:46 |
| parx | Adding me to the org didn't do it, but that last effort worked! | 17:46 |
| parx | iiie/carlfk/etc need to be added too? | 17:47 |
| iiie | I'm pretty sure that CarlFK and I are in as owners already | 17:47 |
| CarlFK | i see an edit button | 17:47 |
| parx | not listed as org members though | 17:48 |
| parx | don't know if that makes any diff | 17:48 |
| iiie | Where do you see org members? | 17:48 |
| parx | https://github.com/orgs/timvideos/members | 17:48 |
| tpb | Title: Sign in · GitHub (at github.com) | 17:48 |
| parx | iiie you are there | 17:48 |
| parx | just added I think | 17:48 |
| rihbyne | mithro: hi, do you have gsoc project page ? | 17:49 |
| iiie | http://code.timvideos.us/Ideas.html | 17:49 |
| tpb | Title: Tim Videos - Getting Started! (at code.timvideos.us) | 17:49 |
| iiie | Welcome rihbyne | 17:49 |
| mithro | parx: I added you as a "owner" so you can manipulate the permissions https://github.com/orgs/timvideos/teams | 17:49 |
| tpb | Title: Sign in · GitHub (at github.com) | 17:49 |
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| mithro | parx: iiie should be able to figure out my horrible javascript if you have questions about the ideas page stuff | 17:50 |
| parx | ok | 17:50 |
| mithro | but I think we should just concentrate on populating the ideas tracker with all the info it needs | 17:50 |
| parx | haha, I'll bug him while you sleep | 17:50 |
| mithro | and I have to be up in 5 hours! | 17:51 |
| parx | eek | 17:51 |
| mithro | gnight | 17:51 |
| mithro | parx: each issue should have all the details you described earlier | 17:51 |
| mithro | we should use labels for difficulty level | 17:52 |
| parx | I'll try, although I'm not the best person for explaining such tasks | 17:52 |
| mithro | "expected outcome of the project, a potential mentor, the skills and/or languages required to complete the project, and a general "difficulty" level." | 17:52 |
| mithro | poke people :) | 17:52 |
| mithro | anyway truley going to bed | 17:52 |
| mithro | gnight | 17:52 |
| parx | if all else fails, I'll decorate the site with cat gifs | 17:52 |
| parx | gnight | 17:53 |
| parx | rihbyne: are you a student interested in GSoC? | 17:55 |
| rihbyne | so guys I am here http://code.timvideos.us/Ideas.html | 17:55 |
| tpb | Title: Tim Videos - Getting Started! (at code.timvideos.us) | 17:55 |
| rihbyne | and your organization has 5 projects. | 17:55 |
| parx | 5 that are listed there now | 17:55 |
| parx | we're doing some work on the site, incl that page | 17:56 |
| rihbyne | now which ones are of [high|medium|low] priority for gsoc ?please can you just analyse them | 17:56 |
| rihbyne | and need to meet your nearest milestone ? | 17:57 |
| rihbyne | mithro: parx: hello there! I am a student :) nice to meet you. | 17:58 |
| parx | happy to meet you too! | 17:58 |
| parx | mithro just went to bed, but a few TimVideos mentors from last year are still here | 17:59 |
| rihbyne | ok so parx can you answer my listed questions please ? | 17:59 |
| parx | I'm not sure, but I think the projects tagged "Hot" in red are high on mithro's list | 17:59 |
| rihbyne | ok | 17:59 |
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| parx | rihbyne: iiie or Carlfk might have a better view of the nearest milestone. | 18:06 |
| parx | Last year we had 3 spots for students. A few time during GSoC, we wished we could have had an extra spot for the student who wanted to do the bug reporting project. | 18:06 |
| rihbyne | yeah ok :) parx for now there is only one project with "hot" indication. | 18:10 |
| rihbyne | but I assume that the first 4 projects are top and hardware based. | 18:11 |
| CarlFK | rihbyne: what sorts of stuff have you done? | 18:11 |
| parx | rihbyne it's being updated. Also take a look at https://github.com/timvideos/getting-started/issues?state=open | 18:11 |
| tpb | Title: Issues · timvideos/getting-started · GitHub (at github.com) | 18:11 |
| rihbyne | I am familiar with python and javascript and html5. | 18:12 |
| rihbyne | so parx CarlFK its completely depended on no. of slots and priority projects. | 18:15 |
| rihbyne | I think you should integrade bug reporting functionality inside the streaming website itself. why do you need a separate site for that ? | 18:16 |
| CarlFK | rihbyne: I think the plan is for a little integration, but normal users don't need to be troubled by it | 18:20 |
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| CarlFK | ideally, no errors etc, so don't clutter up the code base with it | 18:20 |
| skay | mithro: I might not should help. It depends on how much coding experience you want. I was an embedded c/ARM/HC11 programmer at motorola but that was a long time ago | 18:21 |
| skay | maybe enough to help students, maybe not | 18:21 |
| parx | A GSoC project can be expanded as the student progresses through the summer. | 18:21 |
| parx | rihbyne: by that I mean the scope of your project is limited only by your skills and work ethic : ) | 18:22 |
| rihbyne | ah! CarlFK so it would be great to have a middleware to check whether the request is for 'bug reporter' and then accordingly respond with asking for admin authentication and then rendering the html report. | 18:23 |
| rihbyne | ok parx agree with you. | 18:26 |
| parx | rihbyne: responding to the idea that selection mostly depends on priority projects and # of spots | 18:30 |
| parx | IMHO it's better to have a student whose skills are solidly matched to a medium priority project rather than a student completely out of her/his depth on a top priority project. | 18:30 |
| parx | but a bit of a challenge is always good for a learner : ) | 18:31 |
| rihbyne | yeah parx what do you suggest me? I know python/javascript well. got to brush up django. since I am am using flask. | 18:32 |
| CarlFK | rihbyne: python - how familiar are you with debugging weird code, like stuff that overrids the normal object.attribute stuff? | 18:34 |
| CarlFK | fluemotion/gstreamer bindings are pretty tricky and prolly not a good time to start learning how that stuff works at the same time you are trying to debug it | 18:35 |
| CarlFK | but if you are on top of it, then it would be fun | 18:36 |
| CarlFK | a long time ago I got in over my head trying to use lambdas and yields at the same time I was learning about them. not fun, project failed. | 18:36 |
| rihbyne | I am familiar with object-oriented practices and inheritance in python. maybe I will be able to handle that and stick to your coding standards like PEP8 and using code review tool. | 18:42 |
| rihbyne | CarlFK: ^ | 18:42 |
| CarlFK | rihbyne: that's not it.. I suspect you should stay away from the fluemotion port | 18:43 |
| CarlFK | I forget exactly where they do this, but something like overriding the __magic stuff and so trying to figure out what x.y is will drive you batty | 18:44 |
| rihbyne | I am interested,but I want to confirm if software side projects will be included in gsoc.because looking at last years statistics only 3 projects were selected even after mentioning other ones. | 18:45 |
| CarlFK | you would expect to find class X(): def y(): but really X.__get? or something maps "y" to "lala" | 18:45 |
| CarlFK | I think all the projects are up for grabs, but we can only have a few students, so we pick what looks like the best matches | 18:47 |
| rihbyne | I will stick and watch the updates.read more the flumotion and streaming website and bug reporter project if you include that too. | 18:48 |
| parx | yes rihbyne, software side projects are fair game | 18:48 |
| rihbyne | parx: what you really mean by 'fair game' ? I didnt understand :) | 18:49 |
| parx | we are open to students interested in any of the TimVideos projects | 18:49 |
| rihbyne | ok parx got it. | 18:52 |
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| rihbyne | parx: CarlFK I will see you guys tommorow :) | 19:19 |
| CarlFK | bye bye | 19:19 |
| parx | see you soon rihbyne! | 19:19 |
| rihbyne | bye there! :) are you 'to-be' mentors. ? | 19:20 |
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| parx | rihbyne: I'm admin; mithro, iiie, CarlFK, and others are mentors | 19:26 |
| iiie | too late | 19:26 |
| parx | s/he'll be back tmrw with more ?s | 19:26 |
| parx | we need a skills evaluator | 19:27 |
| iiie | yes | 19:27 |
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| parx | hey folks, I'm trying to label the difficulty of projects as easy, medium, and challenging https://github.com/timvideos/getting-started/issues?state=open | 23:27 |
| tpb | Title: Issues · timvideos/getting-started · GitHub (at github.com) | 23:27 |
| parx | if anyone wants to jump in and get it more accurate than my uneducated guesses | 23:27 |
| parx | feel free to change them! | 23:27 |
| parx | purple tags indicate difficulty level | 23:28 |
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