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| -_whitenotifier-f- [prjxray] fox6666 opened issue #1490: PR bitstream size - https://git.io/Jke6S | 13:36 | |
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| whitequark | mithro: i figured out why the conda installer doesn't work on debian | 15:34 |
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| whitequark | when your install script runs pip, it really does run pip from the conda environment, and that uses the conda python | 15:35 |
| whitequark | however... conda python, for some incomprehensible reason, loads a third of the packages from the conda env, a third from ~/.local, and a third from /usr | 15:36 |
| whitequark | in other words, a classic conda experience | 15:36 |
| whitequark | here's why it's broken: https://stackoverflow.com/a/51640558/254415 | 16:03 |
| tpb | Title: Global pip referenced within a conda environment - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com) | 16:03 |
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| whitequark | https://github.com/QuickLogic-Corp/quicklogic-fpga-toolchain/issues/5#issuecomment-723464697 | 16:18 |
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| mithro | https://github.com/SymbiFlow/symbiflow-examples/tree/master/eos-s3 | 16:53 |
| mithro | @whitequark: I like you wish there was a better option than Conda, but so far have not found one. | 16:58 |
| mithro | We are slowly working towards supporting both docker and static compiled binaries | 17:00 |
| mithro | umarcor is doing some excellent work in that direction | 17:01 |
| mithro | Pip and yowasp style stuff is also interesting | 17:02 |
| whitequark | mithro: I'm not actually opposed to using Symbiflow's conda with isolated environments | 17:04 |
| whitequark | conda in this case is an implementation detail that I (in theory) do not ever have to touch or care about | 17:04 |
| whitequark | unfortunately, in practice, the way symbiflow invokes conda is deeply flawed, and I'm having to fix that | 17:05 |
| whitequark | why does it download a 12 MB file from sharepoint and feed it into tar?! | 17:07 |
| mithro | @whitequark: any idea how we could "poison" the system stuff so CI explodes if it is accidentally used? | 17:07 |
| whitequark | run it on a fresh debian install *grin* | 17:08 |
| mithro | @whitequark: that is the VPR architecture description - it should be more sensibly generated by CI soon | 17:08 |
| whitequark | let me do a more serious check though | 17:09 |
| mithro | I wonder why we didn't add debian to https://github.com/SymbiFlow/symbiflow-examples/blob/master/.travis.yml | 17:09 |
| mithro | Brb just getting up | 17:09 |
| whitequark | i'm not completely certain what the conditions for blowup are | 17:09 |
| whitequark | mithro: with the conda env activated, run: python -c "import sys; assert all('/usr' not in path for path in sys.path)" | 17:11 |
| mithro | @whitequark BTW the way the install "should work" is -- (step 1) download+install conda, (step 2) create environment using environment.yml file, (step 3) start doing stuff | 17:26 |
| mithro | There is currently a (step 2b) which is "manually download the vpr configuration data" which will hopefully go away soon | 17:27 |
| mithro | @whitequark Where we are and where we want to be are never quite the same :-/ | 17:28 |
| whitequark | it's not really that hard to write a working install script, which i have demonstrated by spending a hour today to do so | 17:29 |
| whitequark | all i had to do was to read the conda docs | 17:30 |
| whitequark | anyway, as long as you fix it, it's fine | 17:30 |
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| -_whitenotifier-f- [make-env] mithro opened issue #19: Convert to using GitHub actions for CI (rather than Travis CI). - https://git.io/Jkvmy | 20:34 | |
| mithro | @whitequark - https://github.com/SymbiFlow/make-env/pull/18 | 20:36 |
| whitequark | great! | 20:39 |
| mithro | whitequark: I think a bunch of the issues we see in conda world stem from there being is a pretty strong mismatch between what the people who are paying the conda devs to do work (mostly enterprises like universities) and the majority of users (scientists/programmers) really want. | 20:59 |
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| whitequark | I used to have a very negative opinion of conda; I no longer really think that for a few different reasons | 21:03 |
| whitequark | I think Symbiflow shipping a conda-based toolchain that does not expose the end user to conda issues is basically fine. not perfect, but fine | 21:03 |
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| whitequark | what I really hate though is having to work around conda issues myself, having spent several years doing that as an employee | 21:06 |
| whitequark | anyway, once you address all of the issues I filed, I think the Conda distribution of the toolchain should be usable for most people as long as they never actually touch the conda environment inside | 21:07 |
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| mithro | whitequark: I'm mostly distracted with finishing off getting stuff published for the skywater-pdk stuff, hopefully acomodi or someone else will be able to finish off that stuff | 23:31 |
| whitequark | sure, that works | 23:41 |
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