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| annma | hi, I made a mistake with a task which was "actionNeeded" and I wanted to make it "Reopened" but I clicked on Unpublish | 08:08 |
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| annma | now my task is Unpublished, while I wanted to reopen it | 08:09 |
| annma | what can I do to fi xit please? | 08:09 |
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| annma | when the final deadline has passed then it's not intuitive what Melange does. It says in teh mail the task is reopened but it was actionNeeded | 08:26 |
| annma | Ithink it's a bug | 08:27 |
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| madrazr | annma: Hi | 10:11 |
| madrazr | annma: can you please link me to the task | 10:11 |
| madrazr | I can mark it re-opened | 10:12 |
| annma | too late | 10:13 |
| annma | I deleted and added a new one | 10:13 |
| annma | I think it would be nice what's going on when the deadline is finished | 10:14 |
| madrazr | annma: Ok | 10:14 |
| annma | I think it would be nice to know what's going on when the deadline is finished | 10:14 |
| annma | it seems Melange adds new time? | 10:14 |
| madrazr | annma: yes, once the deadline passes for the task an extension of 24 hours is given to the student | 10:14 |
| annma | has the mentor anything to do in taht case then? | 10:15 |
| madrazr | annma: nope | 10:16 |
| madrazr | it is the free 24 hours given to the student (by the student) | 10:16 |
| annma | it's not intuitive | 10:17 |
| annma | since the mentor gets a mail | 10:17 |
| annma | the mail should specify that 24 hours are added and no action is required | 10:18 |
| madrazr | annma: that is strange, can you please give the content of the mail? (For debugging?) | 10:19 |
| madrazr | annma: may be in PM? | 10:19 |
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| pjcj | madrazr: did you see my question yesterday about editing claimed tasks? It's possible that you may not have been in channel then. | 10:22 |
| madrazr | pjcj: I have not seen that, can you please ask that again? | 10:23 |
| pjcj | of course | 10:23 |
| pjcj | 16:01 pjcj> Not being able to edit claimed tasks is proving to be something of a pain | 10:23 |
| * madrazr was jetlagged yesterday without travelling :D | 10:23 | |
| pjcj | 16:01 pjcj> I frequently find myself wanting to edit the description to provide more details, to add a mentor, or to clarify a title. | 10:23 |
| pjcj | 16:01 pjcj> Is there any way to do this? Or could there be a way? | 10:23 |
| pjcj | I know that feeling :) | 10:24 |
| madrazr | pjcj: editing mentors and tags for the tasks at any time after being published is coming soon | 10:24 |
| annma | madrazr: http://paste.kde.org/150776/ | 10:25 |
| tpb | Title: #150776 KDE Pastebin (at paste.kde.org) | 10:25 |
| madrazr | pjcj: and not allowing to edit any part of the task itself (like title, description, difficulty) was the decision taken while deciding on how to run the program | 10:25 |
| madrazr | pjcj: so that is Carol's territory :) | 10:25 |
| annma | madrazr: I am subscribed to mails for this tasks | 10:25 |
| annma | task | 10:25 |
| madrazr | annma: cool! thanks! | 10:26 |
| pjcj | madrazr: OK - if it's a decision that's been thought about I won't argue over it. I can see both sides. | 10:26 |
| annma | madrazr: note that it does not say what action Melange has taken | 10:26 |
| madrazr | annma: It does say that 24 hours more is given | 10:26 |
| madrazr | annma: what more can we do to make it better? | 10:27 |
| annma | but it says it sets it to actionNeeded | 10:27 |
| annma | so as a mentor I assumed I have to take action | 10:27 |
| annma | what action ? | 10:27 |
| madrazr | annma: which is exactly what happens when the deadline passes | 10:27 |
| madrazr | it is a "Call for Action" | 10:27 |
| annma | madrazr: no | 10:27 |
| annma | no | 10:27 |
| madrazr | since the deadline has passed | 10:27 |
| madrazr | annma: ? | 10:27 |
| annma | as Melange takes action | 10:27 |
| annma | Melange takes action, doesn't it | 10:27 |
| annma | it adds 24 hours | 10:27 |
| annma | what is the mentor supposed to do? | 10:28 |
| madrazr | annma: Melange does take action | 10:28 |
| madrazr | but here | 10:28 |
| madrazr | annma: the "Call for action" is for the student | 10:28 |
| madrazr | that it is time and he/she needs to act | 10:28 |
| madrazr | and now! | 10:28 |
| madrazr | Right now! | 10:28 |
| annma | how I am supposed to know this? | 10:28 |
| annma | and what doe sthe student need to do to change the status? | 10:29 |
| annma | status is for mentor | 10:29 |
| madrazr | annma: how can we make it better? | 10:29 |
| annma | task status is for mentor | 10:29 |
| madrazr | annma: student only needs to submit his work | 10:29 |
| annma | first set the status to claimed | 10:29 |
| annma | status is for mentor, isn't it? | 10:29 |
| madrazr | annma: NOTE: Mentors or Students (or anybody) are not directly dealing with any task states | 10:30 |
| madrazr | task states are representations to indicate what state the task is in | 10:30 |
| annma | all status change are dealt by mentors, true or false? | 10:30 |
| madrazr | annma: False | 10:30 |
| madrazr | annma: in fact no one directly deals with any tasks states | 10:30 |
| annma | mentors do not know when they have to do something | 10:30 |
| madrazr | every one does actions relevant to his roles | 10:30 |
| madrazr | *role | 10:31 |
| madrazr | which manipulates the task states | 10:31 |
| annma | roles are not notified for mentors | 10:31 |
| annma | if I subscribe to the task I get mails for students | 10:31 |
| madrazr | annma: what's up with roles? Mentor has a mentor's role in the system | 10:31 |
| annma | if I do not subscribe I get nothing | 10:31 |
| annma | no | 10:31 |
| madrazr | annma: you don't get mails for students | 10:31 |
| madrazr | you get mails for the task | 10:31 |
| madrazr | annma: there are no student mails and mentor mails | 10:31 |
| annma | there are | 10:32 |
| annma | it's too confusing | 10:32 |
| madrazr | annma: I am not sure what you mean by "there are" | 10:32 |
| annma | say in the mail: the student needs to submit his work | 10:32 |
| madrazr | pjcj: sorry | 10:32 |
| annma | then if deadline has passed again what's going on? | 10:32 |
| madrazr | pjcj: yes, good amount of time was spent on it | 10:32 |
| madrazr | pjcj: last year there were a lot of requests to allow editing | 10:33 |
| madrazr | pjcj: I am not sure if we did allow editing at some point (but apparently), there were complaints that difficulty of the tasks were increased to give advantage to some students | 10:33 |
| madrazr | annma: if the deadline passes again, the student did not act | 10:33 |
| madrazr | the task re-opens | 10:34 |
| pjcj | madrazr: Understood - we'll work with the decision then. And yes, I can see why the decision was made. Thanks for your explanation. | 10:34 |
| madrazr | pjcj: NP! Thanks for understanding! | 10:34 |
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| madrazr | annma: does this sound any better? | 10:39 |
| madrazr | Melange has detected that the initial deadline has passed and it has set the task status to ActionNeeded. The student has 24 hours to submit work before the task is reopened and sent back to the pool for other students to claim. | 10:39 |
| annma | yes | 10:39 |
| madrazr | annma: great! | 10:39 |
| annma | also I was saying if the deadline is passed a second time | 10:40 |
| madrazr | annma: The student has 24 hours to submit the work before the task is reopened | 10:40 |
| madrazr | means exactly the same | 10:40 |
| annma | the status stays to actionNeeded when Melange mail says it is set to reopened | 10:40 |
| annma | teh task was not reopened for me | 10:40 |
| annma | status stayed to actionNeeded | 10:41 |
| annma | "Melange has detected that the final deadline has passed and it has reopened the task. " | 10:41 |
| annma | in the second mail | 10:41 |
| annma | but task was not set to reopened | 10:41 |
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| madrazr | annma: oops | 10:43 |
| annma | thus I deleted it and opened a new one which is unapproved... | 10:45 |
| madrazr | annma: we generally recommend not to delete tasks from the system (unless there is absolutely no way to go about it other than deleting). We lose history by deleting | 10:46 |
| annma | I know | 10:46 |
| annma | but I was desperate | 10:47 |
| annma | I realized this afterwards | 10:47 |
| madrazr | annma: understandable | 10:47 |
| annma | when will the new task be open instead of unapproved? | 10:48 |
| madrazr | annma: the only thing is I cannot debug with that task now. For now I am going to leave this thing as is assuming that it was some failure from Appengine (that is what I can see at the moment) | 10:48 |
| madrazr | annma: if you run into the same problem again, please notify me | 10:48 |
| madrazr | annma: my email ID is [email protected] | 10:48 |
| annma | OK | 10:48 |
| annma | I'll send you the task link if it happens again with mails | 10:48 |
| annma | thanks a lot madrazr | 10:49 |
| madrazr | annma: Dec 16th I guess? I will have to look at the timeline | 10:49 |
| madrazr | annma: or if Carol thinks we can re-open this task, I can open it | 10:49 |
| madrazr | annma: this is because, this task is a special case | 10:49 |
| annma | madrazr: it was said we could add tasks until next Monday | 10:49 |
| madrazr | annma: Oh! | 10:49 |
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| annma | since we struggled to put tasks in | 10:50 |
| madrazr | annma: my bad | 10:50 |
| madrazr | annma: I thought orgs can only edit tasks, but not add until this Monday | 10:50 |
| annma | We realize there have been some difficulties entering and editing your initial tasks for GCI into Melange by today so we are extending the deadline until next Monday, November 28th at 8:00 UTC. So please feel free to add more tasks or edit your tasks as you see fit over the next week. | 10:51 |
| annma | this is the mail I got | 10:51 |
| madrazr | annma: awesome! thanks! I was looking at this https://plus.google.com/113839503453545250617/posts/PSRkHS6tpDx | 10:52 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/9NGY> (at plus.google.com) | 10:52 |
| annma | new added tasks should be set to open until the above deadline | 10:52 |
| madrazr | annma: please link me to the new task | 10:52 |
| annma | :) | 10:52 |
| madrazr | annma: I can publish it | 10:52 |
| annma | I'm on a slow connection and I am trying to list my tasks now | 10:53 |
| madrazr | annma: Oh Ok, take your time | 10:53 |
| annma | I'll send it to you by mail | 11:02 |
| annma | as I can't access it on this machine | 11:02 |
| annma | ok sent to your gmail address | 11:06 |
| madrazr | annma: great! email received | 11:07 |
| annma | I am updating a tablet and it's taking all my slow bandwith | 11:07 |
| annma | :) | 11:08 |
| annma | thanks for your support madrazr | 11:08 |
| annma | it's great working wih the Melange team | 11:08 |
| madrazr | annma: You are welcome! Thanks for the appreciation, encourages to work harder (that too with limited resources) :) | 11:09 |
| madrazr | annma: the task has been published now | 11:09 |
| annma | thanks a lot | 11:09 |
| madrazr | annma: No problem! | 11:09 |
| annma | :) | 11:09 |
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