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| gevaerts | Is it normal/expected that the "List of Student Proposals sent to X you are mentoring" is empty? | 14:40 |
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| Merio | gevaerts: I have no project too, but I don't know if this is wanted | 14:43 |
| Merio | gevaerts: I don't know the details, however a "student proposal" become a "student project" once it is accepted | 14:43 |
| Merio | gevaerts: so maybe this is the reason why it's not listed as a "student proposal" anymore | 14:43 |
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| Merio | sttwister: let's start :) | 15:00 |
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| sttwister | Merio, roger that :) | 15:01 |
| Merio | ^_^ | 15:01 |
| sttwister | so, what's first ? | 15:01 |
| Merio | First is: did you enjoy the call yesterday? (at least, what skype let you hear about the call :P) | 15:02 |
| sttwister | yes of course, it's nice to see you guys in the community are really close together and very friendly to newcomers :) | 15:03 |
| sttwister | I had to change about 3 different internet connections before I got it to work properly in the end, heh | 15:03 |
| sttwister | other than that, it was really exciting | 15:04 |
| Merio | Happy with that :) | 15:04 |
| sttwister | how was it at the other end, did you get to hear what I said? :/ | 15:04 |
| Merio | About the connection problems it was a temporary problem or likely to be permanent? :( | 15:04 |
| Merio | Yes, but I had problems too | 15:04 |
| Merio | My upgrade to Lucid didn't go so smoothly, Skype fails and I had to use Skype on Windows, but freezed once, just when you started talking :P | 15:05 |
| sttwister | using the wired connection that I tried at first, it's likely to be permanent | 15:05 |
| sttwister | but I managed to switch to a wireless connection that worked flawlessly | 15:05 |
| sttwister | I'm planning to upgrade tonight I think :) | 15:06 |
| Merio | Don't know if you already tried Thunderbird 3, but after the upgrade mine hangs with IMAP and freezes every time I close it... I think I'll try to install everything from scratch this weekend :) | 15:07 |
| sttwister | I don't use Thunderbird | 15:08 |
| sttwister | and I always install from scratch, I keep my /home on a different partition | 15:08 |
| Merio | me too (about the partition), but Karmic upgrade went so smooth :) | 15:09 |
| sttwister | heh | 15:09 |
| Merio | However, back to meeting :) | 15:09 |
| Merio | First item on my agenda meeting is: when are we going to have next scheduled meeting? | 15:10 |
| sttwister | hmm, perhaps on a weekly basis ? | 15:11 |
| Merio | I mean, obviously we can talk everytime we want (gtalk or IRC, preferably IRC if I'm at home, I'll keep GTalk open in the cellphone to have more availability for you) | 15:11 |
| Merio | Yep, I would like to keep at least a weekly "formal" meeting | 15:12 |
| Merio | If it's possible for you right after the conference call | 15:12 |
| sttwister | yes, that's a good idea | 15:12 |
| Merio | Unfortunately for my job I've to fill my agenda every week so I can't plan too much :) | 15:12 |
| sttwister | aha, I see | 15:13 |
| sttwister | well, planning it right after the conference call would solve two problems in that case | 15:13 |
| Merio | Also on Saturdays and Sundays I'm going to a friend of mine to study together for our last exams :) | 15:14 |
| Merio | However as I said I'll keep my gtalk in the phone active, so you can contact me almost everytime | 15:14 |
| sttwister | I don't think I'll need anything so urgent that I'd need to contact you on your phone tho :) | 15:15 |
| sttwister | if you're not online, I'll probably just email you | 15:15 |
| Merio | Well who knows, something can be blocking you. Maybe not during community bonding, but when code starts is not so good to be blocked by mentor's availability | 15:16 |
| Merio | Just in case | 15:16 |
| sttwister | ok :) | 15:18 |
| sttwister | I'll keep that in mind | 15:18 |
| Merio | That leads to my point "1B" in the agenda: how much time do you have during the community bonding phase (basically the next 20 days) | 15:18 |
| Merio | I mean, what's your agenda during the community bonding and, well, afterwards when the coding starts | 15:18 |
| sttwister | currently, I'm finishing my university semester | 15:19 |
| sttwister | I don't have to invest a lot of time in it actually | 15:20 |
| sttwister | After that, starting somewhere in July, I'll do a short internship as required by my university | 15:20 |
| sttwister | it's 2 or 3 weeks of 4 hours/day, so nothing serious :) | 15:21 |
| Merio | hmm, well it means part time availability from mid term to suggested pencil down date? | 15:22 |
| Merio | Just to know | 15:22 |
| sttwister | ahh, just a second let me check the timetable | 15:23 |
| sttwister | it should be somewhere around the mid term period | 15:24 |
| Merio | Ok | 15:25 |
| Merio | So, going to point 2 in the meeting agenda... your "homeworks" for community bonding period :) | 15:25 |
| sttwister | yummy :D | 15:26 |
| Merio | :D | 15:26 |
| Merio | First of all, as you did a demo for your application I'm feeling you already put your hands on the codebase | 15:28 |
| Merio | Is there something you need to know, I mean any question or something? | 15:28 |
| sttwister | not anything specific | 15:28 |
| sttwister | I also did read some wiki pages related to architecture and design decisions | 15:28 |
| sttwister | (side note: I might be having some weird connection problems, it seems like IRC is lagging a bit) | 15:29 |
| Merio | As I told you some time ago I'm probably of little help with Python end, but I can help you a lot with the Javascript layer | 15:29 |
| Merio | (no probs) | 15:30 |
| Merio | Great | 15:30 |
| sttwister | well then, it's a good thing that JS is the weakest link in my case | 15:30 |
| Merio | No probs with that then :) | 15:31 |
| Merio | So did you already dig into Melange's data model? | 15:31 |
| sttwister | yes, roughly | 15:32 |
| Merio | Because obviously it's the most important thing you will be working with during your project | 15:32 |
| Merio | My thought was to have you draw some sort of UML schema of the current data model | 15:32 |
| sttwister | I'll look into it in far more detail as I start writing the design documents | 15:32 |
| Merio | I did spend roughly an afternoon last year to draw one | 15:33 |
| Merio | I still have it, it was just a draft and now is probably updated but it will give you an idea on what I have in mind | 15:33 |
| sttwister | ok, sounds great | 15:34 |
| Merio | Since it's critical for your project better to get to know it during community bonding | 15:35 |
| Merio | Also, as soon as it's ready we can publish it in the wiki :) | 15:35 |
| Merio | For "we" I mean "you" obviously | 15:36 |
| Merio | It was "we" as in "the community" :D | 15:36 |
| sttwister | indeed, I'm not planning to start coding and then get stuck in the middle because of a bad design | 15:36 |
| sttwister | I already created a page for the data seeder project, nothing there yet though | 15:36 |
| Merio | Yup I've seen it | 15:37 |
| Merio | We'll get into the wiki page in a few minutes | 15:37 |
| sttwister | ok | 15:38 |
| Merio | So well, you can work on the UML schema, I think it won't take much time | 15:38 |
| sttwister | I'll do that :) | 15:39 |
| Merio | Then I'll suggest you to work on the remote/local "issue" | 15:40 |
| Merio | I mean to dig better on the configuration for the seeder | 15:40 |
| sttwister | you mean the configuration file / format ? | 15:41 |
| Merio | and the XML/YAML/Fixtures thingy | 15:41 |
| Merio | Yes, just explore better advantages and drawbacks of those formats | 15:42 |
| sttwister | ok, will do | 15:42 |
| Merio | I didn't dig into Fixtures to be fair | 15:44 |
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| sttwister | from what I've seen, they seem to be useful for storing and seeding with predefined data | 15:45 |
| sttwister | I'm not sure how they can help with seeding random data | 15:46 |
| Merio | Well I guess you can work on examples with those solutions | 15:47 |
| Merio | So you're ready and have clear ideas when real coding starts | 15:47 |
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| Merio | Just something very simple, will help you explore advantages/drawbacks of the three options, both locally and remotely | 15:48 |
| Merio | And see what works best for the features we want and, why not, what you like to work with the most :) | 15:49 |
| sttwister | yep, prototyping was included in my proposed timeline for the community bonding period | 15:49 |
| Merio | Yup you're right | 15:50 |
| Merio | So well, go for it :) | 15:51 |
| sttwister | will do ;) | 15:51 |
| Merio | So, well, as far as I can see, just add the UML schema to your timeline, everything we talked about is just detailing that | 15:52 |
| Merio | Obviously consider the integration with web interface | 15:53 |
| Merio | I mean not in your prototype, just think how it will be driven by the interface | 15:53 |
| sttwister | aha, just added that to the TODO list | 15:53 |
| Merio | And then we will discuss it together what's the best thing to do with Ajax calls | 15:54 |
| sttwister | also, perhaps I could have a look on that draft you said you did last year ? | 15:54 |
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| Merio | yup there were errors and is outdated, but it will give you a glance of what's expected :) | 15:55 |
| Merio | I was just writing down some "notes" for me to explore the code | 15:57 |
| Merio | I used ArgoUML IIRC | 15:57 |
| sttwister | I usually use Eclipse for UML diagrams, but that's just because it integrates better with my projects | 15:59 |
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| Merio | Do it your way, it's fine. Don't know what Eclipse uses for UML diagrams, maybe is compatible with ArgoUML, otherwise download it just to let you see my files | 16:00 |
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| sttwister | ok | 16:00 |
| Merio | So well last point (aside from questions) is "what to do now" :) | 16:01 |
| Merio | I've seen you created the wiki page | 16:01 |
| Merio | Just rename it to include "GSoC2010" | 16:02 |
| Merio | and write down the notes of this meeting | 16:03 |
| sttwister | something like GSoC2010DataSeeder ? | 16:03 |
| Merio | yup, actually Savitha already created this page after her meeting with Madhusudan: http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/SocialFeaturesMelangeGSoC2010 | 16:03 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/6T11> (at code.google.com) | 16:03 |
| Merio | So we might want to stick with that format | 16:04 |
| sttwister | oh ok, I guess I'll call it DataSeederGSoC2010 then | 16:05 |
| Merio | Although I would prefer GSoC2010something :) | 16:05 |
| Merio | Well, just nitpicking | 16:05 |
| sttwister | everything else was with gsoc at the beginning | 16:05 |
| Merio | Yup, use it as a prefix (so beginning), I'll ask Madhusudan and Savitha :) | 16:06 |
| Merio | So well, write down meeting notes there | 16:07 |
| Merio | with links to the logs | 16:07 |
| Merio | general log link is in the topic => http://www.thousandparsec.net/~irc/logm/ | 16:08 |
| tpb | Title: IRC logs (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 16:08 |
| sttwister | roger that :) | 16:08 |
| Merio | You can use Savitha's page as a reference | 16:09 |
| Merio | Maybe you can use also this one => http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/StatisticsModule | 16:09 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/6T2F> (at code.google.com) | 16:09 |
| Merio | Which was the wiki page we worked with Daniel during our GSoC last year | 16:09 |
| sttwister | I'll use Savitha's I think | 16:11 |
| Merio | Fine | 16:11 |
| Merio | Ok I think we can stop for the moment, for the next meeting I would like to talk about the features after you write down your thoughts | 16:14 |
| Merio | Just update the wiki page | 16:14 |
| Merio | I'll be updated by mails (don't know if you're aware of it, you can subscribe by mail for issues, commits [and wiki page changes], etc) | 16:15 |
| sttwister | ok then | 16:15 |
| sttwister | yes I'm aware of that :) | 16:15 |
| sttwister | I'll update the wiki in just a sec | 16:15 |
| sttwister | and... looking forward to our next meeting then | 16:16 |
| Merio | Ok fine :) For any question... as you know, you can contact me anytime you see me online :) | 16:16 |
| sttwister | sure, will do :P | 16:17 |
| Merio | ok, cheers ^_^ | 16:18 |
| sttwister | bye ;) | 16:18 |
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