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| Erant | SRabbelier: Ah great | 01:48 |
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| Erant | SRabbelier: I broke my account on the demo site. | 01:48 |
| Erant | I apparently managed to change my LinkID somehow. | 02:03 |
| Erant | Oh, really? Again? | 02:14 |
| Erant | SRabbelier: Security fail. | 02:14 |
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| Erant | k, pushed some moar bugs your way. | 02:50 |
| Erant | njoy | 02:50 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: you bastid :P | 03:37 |
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| schmrz | Good mornin' everyone :) | 04:17 |
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| schmrz | SRabbelier: Can I get the "melange tour" now or shall we do it tonight ? :-) | 04:29 |
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| schmrz | SRabbelier: busy ? | 13:52 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: mhh, yes, Melange conference call in 8 | 13:52 |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: hmm that's in 5 minutes? :D | 13:53 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: 7 on my clock :P | 13:53 |
| schmrz | :) | 13:53 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: if you want to attend, all are welcome | 13:56 |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: Skype? | 13:56 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: yup | 13:56 |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: I have no microphone | 13:56 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: that's ok | 13:57 |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: But I can listen :D | 13:57 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: you can type in the chat window if you have questions | 13:57 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: and you can listen indeed | 13:57 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: if you pm me your skype handle I'll ask Lennie to add you | 13:57 |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: Ah yes, there's chat also :) | 13:57 |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: kk | 13:57 |
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| SRabbelier | schmrz: so did you find our conference call interesting? should we invite people to listen in more often, or was it really boring? | 14:35 |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: It wasn't boring and I really like the idea of notfiying other possible contributers as soon as possible | 14:36 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: ok, cool! | 14:36 |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: melange is not so small to grasp in few moments so contributers should start exploring it as soon as possible :) | 14:36 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: very true :) | 14:37 |
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| schmrz | SRabbelier: for example I have no problems with the actual revisioning system implementation but I still don't have a clear understanding on how to implement one in melange. It's getting clearer tough | 14:38 |
| * SRabbelier nods | 14:38 | |
| tlarsen | Why is socghop.appspot.com down for "unexpected maintenance"? | 14:38 |
| Lennie | Hi Todd, how's life :D? | 14:38 |
| SRabbelier | tlarsen: Erant found a security issue :P | 14:38 |
| Lennie | Fixed it, new release up in an hour or so :) | 14:39 |
| SRabbelier | probably sooner :) | 14:39 |
| SRabbelier | as in, now :) | 14:41 |
| SRabbelier | tlarsen: all fixed | 14:41 |
| Lennie | thanks SRabbelier ^^_ | 14:41 |
| tlarsen | Life is OK, I suppose. | 14:43 |
| Lennie | good :D | 14:43 |
| tlarsen | I wish my house was done. :( | 14:43 |
| Lennie | wow | 14:43 |
| Lennie | still not done? | 14:43 |
| tlarsen | Yeah, it is one big cluster-fuck. | 14:43 |
| tlarsen | It is looking like I'm going to need to take another long leave from Google to get it finished. | 14:44 |
| Lennie | ok | 14:44 |
| Lennie | well, if you can take those days off working with wood :D | 14:44 |
| tlarsen | Does anyone have a URL for the Melange continuous build at OSU OSL? | 14:45 |
| durin42 | sec, finding port number | 14:46 |
| durin42 | (it's red all the time right now, I know the issue and just need to allocate cycles to fix it) | 14:46 |
| SRabbelier | tlarsen: the build is broken atm, due to the functional tests not working, something broke (I think during a recent GAE release), but not sure why or how; asked Matthew Willekes to have a look at it if he has time | 14:47 |
| durin42 | SRabbelier: no, it's not broken because of anything in GAE | 14:47 |
| durin42 | SRabbelier: the problem is there's something already running on port 8080 on the builder | 14:47 |
| SRabbelier | durin42: well _on top of that_ :P | 14:47 |
| durin42 | ah | 14:48 |
| SRabbelier | durin42: cos it's broken locally too | 14:48 |
| durin42 | tlarsen: the machine appears to not be responding on any ports atm | 14:48 |
| tlarsen | Still would be nice to have a URL, for later. | 14:49 |
| durin42 | tlarsen: attempting to find the URL | 14:50 |
| SRabbelier | tlarsen: what brings you back in #melange? | 14:50 |
| Lennie | I missed you Todd :D | 14:50 |
| durin42 | tlarsen: I'll email it to you tonight (and get the builder back up), as my machine with the right SSH keys is currently off. | 14:51 |
| tlarsen | durin42: OK, thanks. | 14:53 |
| tlarsen | SRabbelier: something not very fun at all, that happens each year at Google. :( | 14:53 |
| Lennie | aha | 14:53 |
| Lennie | that thing :) | 14:53 |
| SRabbelier | tlarsen: ah, I see :) | 14:53 |
| SRabbelier | tlarsen: yes, I guess it's that time of the year :) | 14:53 |
| Lennie | I'm glad I don't have that :D | 14:53 |
| Lennie | yet :P | 14:54 |
| tlarsen | So, is Melange now starting to focus on GHOP functionality? | 14:57 |
| Lennie | kinda yeah | 14:57 |
| SRabbelier | tlarsen: yes, almost ready to rock | 14:57 |
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| tlarsen | BTW, I did some code reviews for Dan Bentley's GSoC project creator, so I've still been at least peripherally involved in Melange. :) | 14:59 |
| *** Lennie changes topic to "Melange powers the Google Summer of Code 2009 site - Want to contribute? Start here: http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/GettingStarted - GHOP Meeting on the 18th, 18:00 UTC - Demo is running at http://melange-demo.appspot.com - Logs at http://www.thousandparsec.net/~irc/logm/" | 14:59 | |
| SRabbelier | tlarsen: yeah, thanks for that, it got done well :) | 14:59 |
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| Lennie | Hi dbentley | 15:05 |
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| schmrz | SRabbelier: Where should the markdown conversion happen ? In views.models.Document ? If so, should the entity content be "intercepted" and converted in _public() ? | 15:06 |
| Lennie | are we talking about moving it all to markdown? | 15:07 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: yes, I think the content should be markdown | 15:07 |
| Lennie | Is markdown gonna fit our needs :P | 15:07 |
| SRabbelier | Lennie: not really, about moving to a revisioned document system | 15:07 |
| Lennie | ok ^_^ | 15:07 |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: umm, you didn't understand the question (my english sucks I know) or you'r still typing ? :) | 15:09 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: I think it'd be more readable to have a diff of a markdown file than of a generated html | 15:09 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: I think the conversion from markdown->html should be done in the showing part | 15:09 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: so, yes, I think _public is a good place to do it, or perhaps public() itself | 15:09 |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: The showing part is what bugs me ... Where is it ? :D | 15:09 |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: aha | 15:09 |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: What is the diff. betwen _public() and public() ? | 15:10 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: /document/show/ is handled by soc.views.models.document.public | 15:10 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: public() calls public_, see soc.views.models.base | 15:10 |
| schmrz | aha | 15:13 |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: Should I write a wiki document about diferent ways of revisioning the files or should we discuss them here ? | 15:15 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: btw, there's possibly a way to make the markdown->html process a template tag | 15:15 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: that way we can use it everywhere, not just for documents | 15:15 |
| Lennie | (Lennie like the template tag idea) | 15:15 |
| Lennie | *likes | 15:15 |
| schmrz | That requires changing the templating system ? Basicaly adding a plugin as much as I know about django templates :) | 15:16 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: adding a new template tag is not that hard, we've done it aplenty in melange | 15:17 |
| SRabbelier | schmrz: it's a few lines of code | 15:17 |
| Lennie | http://www.freewisdom.org/projects/python-markdown/Django | 15:18 |
| Lennie | hmm | 15:18 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/36aK> (at www.freewisdom.org) | 15:18 |
| Lennie | check that link :) | 15:18 |
| schmrz | I know. That's really not that much of a problem. The conversion is a one-step (also one-line) process... It's more important to decide how to revision the files. So should we do it here or should I post the possible options on a wiki page ? | 15:18 |
| * durin42 mumbles something about replacing django templates with jinja2 being the best idea since templating itself | 15:18 | |
| schmrz | SRabbelier: . | 15:18 |
| schmrz | :d | 15:18 |
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| Lennie | I gotta leave you guys alone :) | 15:20 |
| Lennie | nn | 15:21 |
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| dbentley | I'm sorry, I'm coming late: version which files? | 15:21 |
| schmrz | dbentley: documents | 15:21 |
| schmrz | Umm yeah, I didn't want to write files, I meant documents :D | 15:22 |
| dbentley | Which documents? | 15:22 |
| schmrz | dbentley: umm soc.models.Document | 15:23 |
| dbentley | OK. Let's assume I'm an idiot. | 15:24 |
| dbentley | Why is versioning them awesome? | 15:24 |
| schmrz | Because it allows you to revert the document to any point in its history. It also allows you to view diffs betwen revisions. | 15:25 |
| schmrz | It allows yout to recover the document if someone *accidentaly* deletes it. | 15:26 |
| schmrz | dbentley: http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/TextEditinginMelange <-- And it's in the editing requirements :-) | 15:27 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/4:7H> (at code.google.com) | 15:27 |
| dbentley | Huh; interesting. | 15:28 |
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| durin42 | SRabbelier: have you guys evaluated wikicreole at all? | 16:15 |
| SRabbelier | durin42: no, wha'ts that? | 16:16 |
| durin42 | http://www.wikicreole.org/ | 16:16 |
| tpb | Title: WikiCreole: Home (at www.wikicreole.org) | 16:16 |
| SRabbelier | durin42: it's a formatting style? | 16:17 |
| durin42 | It's the nicest wiki markup I've ever used. | 16:17 |
| durin42 | There's implementations for bunches of languages too | 16:17 |
| SRabbelier | cool | 16:18 |
| SRabbelier | durin42: looks pretty standard, what's so special about it? | 16:18 |
| durin42 | I'm on a personal mission to end proliferation of custom wiki markup languages. | 16:18 |
| durin42 | SRabbelier: It incorporates the best parts of the other languages, and encourages nonproliferation of custom wiki markup systems. | 16:19 |
| durin42 | So you don't have to know a markup for each of {Wikipedia,MoinMoin,Confluence,....} | 16:19 |
| SRabbelier | durin42: except mediawiki hasn't adopted the creaole standard :P | 16:20 |
| SRabbelier | **creole | 16:20 |
| durin42 | Sure, but unless you're actually going to use the mediawiki syntax, this is probably worth considering | 16:20 |
| durin42 | oh, that's what wikimarkup is, isn't it? | 16:21 |
| durin42 | (whatever you do, please don't go reinvent the wheel tho, that's just silly) | 16:21 |
| SRabbelier | durin42: not planning to :P | 16:23 |
| SRabbelier | durin42: but yes, creole looks like a good idea | 16:23 |
| durin42 | I really find the syntax cleans up a lot that I hate in other wiki languages too | 16:26 |
| SRabbelier | durin42: anything in specif? | 16:34 |
| durin42 | I don't recall offhand, but I do remember thinking "ugh, yet another wiki syntax" followed by "oh, this is awesome!" | 16:37 |
| SRabbelier | hehehe :) | 16:46 |
| durin42 | also: wtf with git having merge conflicts in stuff I didn't edit? | 16:47 |
| SRabbelier | durin42: scuseme? | 16:48 |
| durin42 | It totally did, honest. | 16:48 |
| durin42 | Something about a symlink turning into a directory, or vice versa, and git asplode. | 16:49 |
| SRabbelier | durin42: could be a bug, I think I remember something about symlinks to directories | 16:50 |
| durin42 | heh | 16:52 |
| durin42 | I'm just learning the gymnastics to do the merge, then back out the crap I got wrong. | 16:53 |
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