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| lh | SRabbelier1: please to join #melangedev | 10:56 |
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| arunmathew88 | Excuse me!! | 12:03 |
| arunmathew88 | I have a problem with my proposal | 12:03 |
| arunmathew88 | My Proposal seems to be modified. I cant see the section 2,4,5 & 6 of the template of organisation, which was in my original Proposal. It was there a few days back too. Will it be a problem? | 12:04 |
| arunmathew88 | Hello | 12:05 |
| MatthewWilkes | arunmathew88: There are very few melange developers, and it sounds like you'd need someone with access to the soc-ghop instance to have a look for you, please be patient, and if you don't get help before you need to go email is the best bet | 12:11 |
| arunmathew88 | whom shall I mail? just in case? | 12:11 |
| MatthewWilkes | [email protected] | 12:13 |
| arunmathew88 | k | 12:14 |
| arunmathew88 | I ll wait,, | 12:14 |
| arunmathew88 | if i see no response later also then I ll mail | 12:14 |
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| SRabbelier | arunmathew88: hey | 12:40 |
| solydzajs | arunmathew88: ping | 12:41 |
| solydzajs | SRabbelier: hmm I wonder about this proposal | 12:41 |
| solydzajs | SRabbelier: weirdo | 12:41 |
| SRabbelier | solydzajs: weirdo? | 12:42 |
| solydzajs | SRabbelier: well you know, sections don't just disappear like that | 12:42 |
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| arunmathew88 | sorry I got disconnected | 12:54 |
| arunmathew88 | tell me, SRabbelier | 12:54 |
| arunmathew88 | Hello solydzajs | 12:55 |
| arunmathew88 | If sections wont disappear, ok | 12:56 |
| arunmathew88 | but my additional link is now in the middle of content | 12:56 |
| arunmathew88 | how did that happen? | 12:57 |
| arunmathew88 | My last modified date is the date of submission itself | 12:57 |
| solydzajs | arunmathew88: please provide me with the link to your proposal | 12:58 |
| arunmathew88 | pls wait | 12:58 |
| arunmathew88 | http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2009/arunmathew88/t123872392947 | 12:59 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/39::> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 12:59 |
| arunmathew88 | Earlier I could see public comments section (though there was no comments), now I dont see that | 13:00 |
| arunmathew88 | solydzajs: could you see my proposal? | 13:03 |
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| solydzajs | arunmathew88: yes I see your proposal, so what sections are missing ? and what's wrong with ti ? | 13:07 |
| arunmathew88 | actually my original proposal had a table of deliverables | 13:08 |
| arunmathew88 | its now missing | 13:08 |
| solydzajs | "4: Please detail milestones and deliverables for your proposal:" | 13:08 |
| solydzajs | I see it | 13:08 |
| arunmathew88 | oh But I can see it | 13:09 |
| arunmathew88 | here | 13:09 |
| arunmathew88 | here 1: 3: 7: & 8: are all that I can see | 13:09 |
| solydzajs | what browser are you using ? | 13:09 |
| arunmathew88 | more over my additional link is now seen in between 3: and 7: | 13:09 |
| arunmathew88 | IE | 13:10 |
| solydzajs | try with Firefox | 13:10 |
| arunmathew88 | lemme try | 13:10 |
| solydzajs | IE is bad :-) | 13:10 |
| arunmathew88 | ya, Actaully I use Linux | 13:11 |
| arunmathew88 | but just now I had to come to windows | 13:12 |
| arunmathew88 | The proposal was all right in my previous visits | 13:12 |
| arunmathew88 | let me try firefox | 13:12 |
| SRabbelier | arunmathew88: let me guess, your previous visits were from Linux using Firefox | 13:13 |
| arunmathew88 | ya u are right | 13:14 |
| arunmathew88 | in firefox its ok | 13:14 |
| arunmathew88 | Sorry to trouble you all | 13:14 |
| j-b | Hello | 13:15 |
| arunmathew88 | but, does it happen likewise in IE? | 13:15 |
| j-b | Will the students be able to change the title of their proposals? | 13:15 |
| arunmathew88 | thank you so much solydzajs, sorry for the trouble | 13:18 |
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| SRabbelier | j-b: yes, if they are accepted | 13:25 |
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| diones | SRabbelier: Hi! | 13:42 |
| SRabbelier | diones: heya! | 13:43 |
| diones | SRabbelier: I was able to remove some of the wrong warnings in pylint | 13:44 |
| diones | but | 13:44 |
| SRabbelier | diones: ah, nice! | 13:44 |
| diones | app engine have some members that pylint cant check correctly | 13:44 |
| diones | for instance the Module.get_by_keyname() | 13:45 |
| SRabbelier | diones: ah, what's wrong with it? | 13:45 |
| diones | well it returns the result of a Module.get() | 13:46 |
| diones | that in some cases returns a list | 13:46 |
| diones | and so pylint thinks that get by key name also returns a list | 13:47 |
| SRabbelier | diones: ah, and sometimes a single one | 13:47 |
| diones | so it will think that we are incurring into an error when we try to access Modules members from the result of get by key name | 13:48 |
| diones | and there are several similar problems | 13:49 |
| diones | there is an alternative, as I was informed by logilab | 13:49 |
| diones | (the company that develops pylint) | 13:50 |
| SRabbelier | diones: oh, nice :) | 13:50 |
| diones | we can add a special comment to the code to make pylint ignore checking certain areas of the code | 13:52 |
| diones | I believe that this is just to costly to do on melange with little result | 13:53 |
| diones | the other option is to add certain options to pylint config file so that he will just ignore some attributes | 13:55 |
| diones | there are of course two problems with that approach | 13:56 |
| diones | the first is that we may actually want pylint to check that attribute like 'key' that would otherwise be ignored | 13:57 |
| diones | and the seccond is that it doesn't provide a good coverage of all cases | 13:57 |
| diones | if we take the get_by_keyname() method for instance | 13:58 |
| diones | the result is considered as a list | 13:58 |
| diones | while it should be a Model | 13:58 |
| diones | if we make pylint ignore key in the code, right now most of the pylint errors would disappear | 13:59 |
| diones | but as soon as we use another method/attribute of the model, pylint would accuse an error because list does not have the 'name' member, for instance | 14:01 |
| diones | SRabbelier: so what do you think? | 14:02 |
| SRabbelier | diones: we do have those comments in several places in the code already, right? | 14:02 |
| diones | SRabbelier: Have we? | 14:03 |
| SRabbelier | diones: aye | 14:03 |
| diones | SRabbelier: Where? | 14:03 |
| SRabbelier | diones: grep is your friend :P | 14:03 |
| diones | damn linux | 14:03 |
| SRabbelier | diones: hehe, or eclipse search | 14:04 |
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| ArthurLiu | SRabbelier, one of our students, 'erich' would like to resign to request mentor status, I have to ask you, right ? | 14:27 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: solydzajs actually | 14:27 |
| ArthurLiu | solydzajs, ^ | 14:28 |
| solydzajs | ? | 14:28 |
| solydzajs | reading backlog | 14:28 |
| solydzajs | diones: please have a look at our pylintrc file and do_pylint.sh script to get an idea which messages are disabled and which are ignored | 14:29 |
| solydzajs | ArthurLiu: did student submit any proposals ? | 14:30 |
| ArthurLiu | yes, but outside of our allocated slots | 14:30 |
| solydzajs | ArthurLiu: I can remove his Student Role but that will also require me to remove his proposal from the system | 14:32 |
| ArthurLiu | that's ok | 14:32 |
| solydzajs | I need an email from student to confirm that and URL to his/her proposal | 14:33 |
| ArthurLiu | ok | 14:33 |
| solydzajs | ArthurLiu: Once I receive it it will take about 10 minutes to fix | 14:33 |
| ArthurLiu | where do I ask him to send it ? | 14:34 |
| solydzajs | pawel (dot) solyga (at) gmail (dot) com | 14:34 |
| ArthurLiu | thanks | 14:34 |
| solydzajs | no problem :-) | 14:35 |
| *** lh changes topic to "Melange powers the Google Summer of Code 2009 site - Want to contribute? Start here: http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/GettingStarted - Be a Hero and Fix Some Melange Bugs: Easy Bugs: http://tinyurl.com/dax2j9 & Minimal Effort Bugs: http://tinyurl.com/d97z24 - Demo is running at http://melange-demo.appspot.com - Logs at Logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23melange" | 14:42 | |
| madrazr | lh: topic has "Logs at" twice | 14:44 |
| madrazr | ? | 14:44 |
| *** SRabbelier changes topic to "Melange powers the Google Summer of Code 2009 site - Want to contribute? Start here: http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/GettingStarted - Be a Hero and Fix Some Melange Bugs: Easy Bugs: http://tinyurl.com/dax2j9 & Minimal Effort Bugs: http://tinyurl.com/d97z24 - Demo is running at http://melange-demo.appspot.com - Logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23melange" | 14:46 | |
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| madrazr | SRabbelier: cool! | 14:46 |
| madrazr | :) | 14:46 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: ^^lh | 14:46 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: not me, I just fixed a stray 'Logs at' | 14:46 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: I said "cool" for the same, the fix :D | 14:47 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: aah, hehe | 14:47 |
| lh | SRabbelier: thank you | 14:54 |
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| bitsweat | hey melangers, our mentors have been marking proposals as ineligible as a way of winnowing down a shortlist of finalists | 15:07 |
| bitsweat | we heard from a student, however, that they were notified of our "decision" | 15:07 |
| bitsweat | despite the "marked as ineligible" message showing up as a *private* review | 15:07 |
| bitsweat | is this expected? | 15:08 |
| bitsweat | we're essentially leaking accept/nonaccept status before the 20th when we planned to directly, personally let students know | 15:08 |
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| bitsweat | so, can students see that their proposal is ineligible despite being in a private review? | 15:11 |
| bitsweat | or do they see a different listing of student proposals, with their proposal segregated? | 15:11 |
| diones | SRabbelier: No, we do not have these comments in melange :) | 15:12 |
| diones | SRabbelier: I had to do a couple things so I couldn't answer right away ;) | 15:13 |
| SRabbelier | diones: I'm sure we do, solydzajs added some | 15:13 |
| SRabbelier | bitsweat: yes, this is expected | 15:13 |
| SRabbelier | bitsweat: marking them as inelegible is not the intended way to filter down the lisat | 15:13 |
| diones | SRabbelier: I just searched my whole workspace and I couldn't find any | 15:14 |
| solydzajs | diones: this feature has been added not so long ago, so yes it is possible that it was not present when you marked your proposals as ineligible | 15:14 |
| SRabbelier | solydzajs: wrong user | 15:15 |
| SRabbelier | solydzajs: you meant bitsweat, no? | 15:15 |
| solydzajs | diones: now whenever you mark proposal as ineligible the private comment is send, if you want to let student know about it you can always post a public comment | 15:15 |
| diones | solydzajs: What? | 15:15 |
| solydzajs | oh crap | 15:15 |
| solydzajs | yep | 15:15 |
| solydzajs | diones: sorry my mistake those were replies to bitsweat | 15:16 |
| bitsweat | it was said on the gsoc list that this was the appropriate tool | 15:16 |
| diones | k, np :) | 15:16 |
| solydzajs | it's up to the org to decide how they will use "marking as ineligible" feature | 15:17 |
| diones | SRabbelier: Here this is how you enable a checking with pylint: # pylint: enable-msg=E1101 | 15:17 |
| solydzajs | whatever works best for them | 15:17 |
| bitsweat | solydzajs: sure | 15:17 |
| bitsweat | it appears to be private though | 15:17 |
| bitsweat | but is actually public? | 15:17 |
| diones | SRabbelier: And to disable: # pylint: disable-msg=E0602 | 15:17 |
| diones | Just try searching for pylint | 15:18 |
| SRabbelier | solydzajs: huh? | 15:18 |
| SRabbelier | solydzajs: I thought the intended use for 'mark as inelegible' is for spam proposals only? | 15:18 |
| diones | I'll have to go now, I'll be right back in 2h | 15:19 |
| SRabbelier | diones: see access.py | 15:19 |
| SRabbelier | diones: + # pylint: disable-msg=W0706 | 15:19 |
| SRabbelier | diones: I'm not sure what you're searching with | 15:19 |
| SRabbelier | diones: but it's obviously broken :P | 15:19 |
| solydzajs | SRabbelier: it is but you can abuse the system :-) | 15:19 |
| SRabbelier | solydzajs: they shouldn't though, since we use the number of inelegible proposals to determine how much spam applications there were, right? | 15:20 |
| solydzajs | SRabbelier: but yes intended use is for spam proposals | 15:20 |
| solydzajs | SRabbelier: true | 15:20 |
| bitsweat | the intended use is completely opaque | 15:21 |
| bitsweat | perhaps not to people here :) | 15:21 |
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| bitsweat | but to users who only have guidance from the docs and the gsoc list | 15:21 |
| SRabbelier | bitsweat: the docs were pretty clear about this methinks | 15:21 |
| bitsweat | it's being incorrectly used | 15:21 |
| bitsweat | ok | 15:21 |
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| bitsweat | I'm not pushing a point here | 15:22 |
| bitsweat | just pointing out a mismatched expectation | 15:22 |
| bitsweat | that has led to actual bad outcome | 15:22 |
| bitsweat | it's not melanges fault at all | 15:22 |
| Chainsaw | Okay. Can someone tell me where the 'assign mentor' button is hidden please. | 15:23 |
| bitsweat | I feel like a need a rulebook just to talk about gsoc without someone getting bothered :( | 15:23 |
| bitsweat | choose "admin comment" from the dropdown, Chainsaw | 15:23 |
| Chainsaw | Right. That was not obvious. | 15:24 |
| Chainsaw | Thanks bitsweat. | 15:26 |
| bitsweat | np | 15:26 |
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| SRabbelier | good thing he read the extensive explanation too | 15:27 |
| lh | what in the hell is wrong with people that they can't just read the documentation. | 15:31 |
| ajaksu | it's a yak shaving thing | 15:32 |
| bitsweat | hm, I just checked the timeline and it looks like the 4/15 entry has changed | 15:34 |
| bitsweat | oops, wrong room | 15:34 |
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| diones | SRabbelier: I have manually checked access.py and couldn't find that line | 17:19 |
| diones | SRabbelier: What version is that file? | 17:19 |
| SRabbelier | diones: # pylint: disable-msg=C0103 | 17:19 |
| SRabbelier | allowDeveloper = allowIfCheckPasses('checkIsDeveloper') | 17:19 |
| SRabbelier | diones: line 217 and 218 | 17:19 |
| diones | Yep is not there | 17:20 |
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| diones | SRabbelier: My version of the file is 2690 | 17:21 |
| SRabbelier | diones: http://code.google.com/p/soc/source/browse/trunk/app/soc/views/helper/access.py#217 | 17:21 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/39Do> (at code.google.com) | 17:21 |
| diones | oops | 17:21 |
| SRabbelier | diones: says otherwise | 17:21 |
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| diones | 2694 | 17:21 |
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| SRabbelier | diones: dude, seriously, we're at 2953 | 17:21 |
| SRabbelier | diones: maybe time to update? | 17:21 |
| diones | Sure :) | 17:22 |
| kblin | haha | 17:32 |
| kblin | L. "no excuses" H. | 17:33 |
| kblin | is there an issue for "always display the highest level of funtionality for the user" ? | 17:34 |
| solydzajs | kblin: no but you can create one :D | 17:38 |
| kblin | yeah, I guess | 17:39 |
| Lennie | SRabbelier, see kblin's comment | 17:46 |
| kblin | 595 | 17:52 |
| kblin | just an usability thing, but would be nice to have for next year | 17:52 |
| Lennie | That interface will probably be changed anyway (hopefully) | 17:53 |
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| lh | kblin: hello | 18:28 |
| kblin | hi lh | 18:28 |
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| MatthewWilkes | evenin' all | 20:19 |
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