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| MatthewWilkes | What's the word removing users who set stupid link_ids ? | 13:12 |
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| MatthewWilkes | Blanket no, or possible if the big G wants to bother? | 13:13 |
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| Kraln | So, I did a stupid thing and put a linkid for my account that I shouldn't have (on the live 2009 site). Is there anyway this can be changed? (lh sent me here) | 13:15 |
| lh | i assume nothing can be done to fix this, but it is worth asking | 13:17 |
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| WinterMute | Hi folks, is there any way to delete/change an account that has used the wrong linkid? | 13:48 |
| WinterMute | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=342 | 13:48 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/309d> (at code.google.com) | 13:48 |
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| Lennie | hi | 13:54 |
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| lh | SRabbelier: how did you solve Kraln | 14:14 |
| lh | Kraln's problem so i can do it next time and you don't have to worry about it? | 14:14 |
| SRabbelier | lh: the devkipro dude? | 14:14 |
| lh | SRabbelier: i guess? :) | 14:14 |
| Kraln | yes | 14:14 |
| lh | Kraln: do you answer to devkipro dude? | 14:14 |
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| SRabbelier | lh: check all entities that I thought he might have had a reference to his account in to make sure there were none, and delete him | 14:15 |
| SRabbelier | lh: that really needs to be automated, but it's not sadly | 14:15 |
| SRabbelier | lh: so, atm, I don't think you can | 14:15 |
| Kraln | now can you rename my gmail account to [email protected] ? ;_D | 14:15 |
| lh | SRabbelier: correct, ok it was worth asking | 14:15 |
| SRabbelier | Kraln: heh, same solution! | 14:15 |
| SRabbelier | Kraln: create a new one :P | 14:16 |
| Kraln | hah, yeah | 14:16 |
| SRabbelier | Kraln: I recently switched from [email protected] to [email protected] | 14:16 |
| SRabbelier | Kraln: fairly painless | 14:16 |
| SRabbelier | Kraln: set-up a forward on your old account | 14:16 |
| SRabbelier | Kraln: you can even import your filters now | 14:16 |
| Kraln | my old account collects email from like a billion other accounts heh | 14:16 |
| WinterMute | SRabbelier, will that affect the linkid for the org? | 14:16 |
| SRabbelier | WinterMute: no, not at all | 14:17 |
| WinterMute | ok, cool, thanks | 14:17 |
| SRabbelier | WinterMute: anything that uses link_id knows what kind of entity it's talking about | 14:17 |
| Kraln | WinterMute: new link_id is kraln btw | 14:17 |
| SRabbelier | WinterMute: so even if you fill in 'devkitpro' somewhere as user name it will never refer to the org :) | 14:17 |
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| James--Crook | SRabbelier: I'd like to raise the priority of Enhancement 308 (http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=308) about background color to Priority-High - this is for test instance only - and I want to explain reasoning and get some feedback from you before I do... | 14:45 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/30+9> (at code.google.com) | 14:45 |
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| James--Crook | I'm thinking that we will need to invite mentors to the test instance again, to get the new features community tested. | 14:46 |
| SRabbelier | James--Crook: right *nods* | 14:47 |
| James--Crook | There is currently a fairly high risk of confusion, so I see this as blocking us from inviting testers. | 14:47 |
| James--Crook | Thanks. Another question about testing... | 14:47 |
| James--Crook | For org application the timeline was not too important. | 14:48 |
| James--Crook | How are we going to run it for student-applies and student-ranking? | 14:48 |
| lh | James--Crook: i'm going to put out a call for testers today, i am on the same page as you | 14:48 |
| lh | James--Crook: people will need to use two different accounts to test | 14:48 |
| James--Crook | If/when there is a re-invite to mentors for testers | 14:48 |
| James--Crook | we need a clear 'contract' for want of a better word. | 14:49 |
| James--Crook | so that testers know that they can create a test org... and then 32 days later they will be in accepting student mode... | 14:49 |
| James--Crook | also that they know that their data MAY be zapped entirely. | 14:49 |
| James--Crook | far better to know in advance and it to be clear. | 14:49 |
| James--Crook | sorry 32 a typo for 2 | 14:50 |
| James--Crook | Issue 308 updated. | 14:51 |
| James--Crook | bfn | 14:52 |
| lh | i am completely confused by what you just said | 14:52 |
| lh | if someone creates a test org and comes and asks here for it to be accepted so they can continue testing, we'll do it. where does 32 days come from? | 14:52 |
| James--Crook | 32 days a typo for 2 days. The issue is how testing interacts with timeline... it's just not clear to me. | 14:53 |
| lh | ah. | 14:53 |
| James--Crook | Is it that in the test instance there will be no deadlines? | 14:53 |
| lh | i dont think we're as organized as you'd like testing wise this time around. | 14:53 |
| lh | ah, clarity. | 14:53 |
| lh | that's a darn good point. | 14:53 |
| lh | hrm. | 14:53 |
| lh | SRabbelier: ideas? | 14:54 |
| James--Crook | he he. Well that's what I'm here to do, to find out whether it is actually helpful to have community input in testing, and if so how to get it. | 14:54 |
| James--Crook | I'm worried that testers will drift away when the datastore is zapped, but that's a tradeoff. | 14:54 |
| James--Crook | Of it costs more to developers to (aim to) maintain the datastore than the benefit then we live with it. | 14:55 |
| James--Crook | s/of/if/ | 14:55 |
| James--Crook | \me (typing terribly today) | 14:55 |
| SRabbelier | sorry, had to start food, am back now :) | 14:56 |
| SRabbelier | We can tweak deadliens ourselves | 14:56 |
| SRabbelier | we can leave org apps open indefinitely | 14:56 |
| James--Crook | true, but we need to communicate those to testers. | 14:56 |
| SRabbelier | I'm saying wel'l just turn them off :P | 14:57 |
| James--Crook | ...and we won't be testing deadlines. | 14:57 |
| lh | SRabbelier: even if we set the student apply timeline to be after org app timeline deadline | 14:57 |
| lh | James--Crook: correct. | 14:57 |
| James--Crook | .. which is fine as long as we know and developers have done their own tests. | 14:57 |
| James--Crook | ..just not getting the benefit of community test. | 14:57 |
| James--Crook | (for that aspect) | 14:58 |
| James--Crook | SRabbelier: so to clarify, in test new orgs can pop up at any time. | 14:58 |
| SRabbelier | correct | 14:58 |
| lh | James--Crook: orgs who have applied can repaste their template on the test site. yes it will be more work for them, but that's what happens with testing. | 14:59 |
| James--Crook | Are we currently implemented up to 'LH gifts slots to orgs'? | 14:59 |
| James--Crook | I ask because that is one place where deadline is very relevant. | 14:59 |
| James--Crook | If we only have and are only testing prior stuff we can address that aspect later. | 15:00 |
| lh | SRabbelier: can you commment here? | 15:01 |
| SRabbelier | James--Crook: pawel doesn't agree with your background suggestion | 15:01 |
| SRabbelier | James--Crook: gift slots? | 15:01 |
| lh | i plan to look at the site later today, but have things to do now. so i am going to work on stuff so i can get to testing. :) | 15:01 |
| James--Crook | gift=allocate | 15:01 |
| SRabbelier | lh: you don't agree with the site color either? | 15:01 |
| lh | SRabbelier: no, i don't think that is needed. but it's also not my call. | 15:02 |
| James--Crook | Whatever developers decide is best, I have opinions but I'm not dogmatic. | 15:03 |
| SRabbelier | :) | 15:04 |
| James--Crook | Will I start a wiki page TestIntsanceStatus? On that we can describe the non-standard timeline of the test instance and where we are at it. It can also be a collection point (in the comments) for feedback on how we plan testing. | 15:05 |
| lh | James--Crook: why would we not just do this in a document on the testing site? | 15:05 |
| James--Crook | because the datastore may get wiped. | 15:06 |
| James--Crook | Also Melange does not accept comments on a doc. | 15:06 |
| lh | James--Crook: even when the datastore has been wiped, documents have been preserved | 15:06 |
| James--Crook | or doc review | 15:06 |
| lh | James--Crook: but a doc can be made publicly editable | 15:06 |
| James--Crook | SRabbelier: what do you think better, a doc on melange or a doc on wiki, or none at all for this? | 15:07 |
| James--Crook | Hmm. OK. I leave it. | 15:07 |
| James--Crook | really bfn | 15:08 |
| James--Crook | :-) | 15:08 |
| lh | James--Crook: are you leaving? | 15:08 |
| James--Crook | I thought I was. | 15:08 |
| SRabbelier | bfn? | 15:08 |
| lh | James--Crook: just checking to make sure i knew what bfn meant. take care, thanks. | 15:08 |
| lh | bfn = bye for now | 15:08 |
| SRabbelier | aah, ok :) | 15:09 |
| James--Crook | bfn indeed. | 15:09 |
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| danderson | blue fairy nails | 15:09 |
| danderson | that's what it means. | 15:09 |
| SRabbelier | don't worry about datastore being wiped | 15:09 |
| SRabbelier | we can choose what to delete | 15:09 |
| SRabbelier | and we probably won't need to delete anything anyway | 15:09 |
| lh | SRabbelier: ok thanks | 15:09 |
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| * lh makes note, will be writing up testing guide later | 15:09 | |
| SRabbelier | lh: awesome | 15:10 |
| durin42 | I prefer blue fairy nails | 15:10 |
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| dbentley | Hi #melange! | 15:56 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: heya! :) | 15:57 |
| Lennie | hi | 15:57 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: how's going? | 16:05 |
| dbentley | Going well. | 16:06 |
| dbentley | Trying to come up to speed on melange in the next week or so. | 16:06 |
| dbentley | And watching #melange was step 1. | 16:08 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: good idea :) | 16:10 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: Allow me to introduce you to Lennie, he joined in a few months late but he's been making up for that so much he'll soon have more commits than I do :P | 16:10 |
| dbentley | Haha; check. | 16:11 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: (measured not only in commit count, but also in amount of features implemented etc.) | 16:11 |
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| SRabbelier | dbentley: Not present is Pawel Solyga, I am guessing you know him already? | 16:11 |
| Lennie | ^_^ | 16:11 |
| dbentley | Not quite. But I hope to. | 16:11 |
| Lennie | thanks SRabbelier | 16:12 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: Ah, in that case, he is our Polish project lead | 16:12 |
| danderson | o/ dbentley | 16:12 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: He somehow manages to keep track of what all is going on, and what needs doing | 16:12 |
| Merio | (hand claps for Lennie) | 16:12 |
| Lennie | lol | 16:13 |
| Lennie | ^_^ | 16:13 |
| Merio | ;) | 16:13 |
| dbentley | Got it. | 16:13 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: Ah, and that would be Merio, he is our Javascript guru extraordinaire ;) | 16:13 |
| dbentley | OK, cool. | 16:13 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: Considering neither Lennie or myself are any good at JS, he's been a great help | 16:13 |
| Lennie | true | 16:14 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: lurking over there is danderson, he's also helping us out on the Google side, perhaps you saw his release script on soc-google already :) | 16:14 |
| danderson | SRabbelier: he reviewed it. | 16:14 |
| Merio | ahah thanks SRabbelier :) | 16:14 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley:: ah, I did not realize that was you :) | 16:14 |
| Merio | (hi dbentley!) | 16:14 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: thanks :P | 16:14 |
| dbentley | Yeah; I'd love to help with that release script after danderson does another pass. | 16:15 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: Also lurking here is durin42, although he's probably actually away | 16:15 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: he helped out with the testing harness earlier, and he's "in charge" of kicking the builtbot in the shins when it breaks down | 16:16 |
| danderson | right. I actually need to get that script into the vanilla melange repository, so I'm told | 16:16 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: (sadly we do not really have much of a test suite :( ) | 16:16 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: can we talk about that in a min? :) | 16:16 |
| danderson | SRabbelier: yup! | 16:16 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: awesome | 16:16 |
| Lennie | do I have to know dbentley btw :P? | 16:17 |
| dbentley | Oooh, I want to be part of this discussion. | 16:17 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: :) | 16:17 |
| dbentley | In re: moving it to melange, and who wins what then. | 16:17 |
| Lennie | since it seems you know him SRabbelier | 16:17 |
| SRabbelier | Lennie: not at all | 16:17 |
| SRabbelier | Lennie: never met the guy ;) | 16:17 |
| dbentley | Hey Lennie. | 16:17 |
| Lennie | hi dbentley :) | 16:17 |
| SRabbelier | Lennie: This is dbentley, who I think is going to help us out! | 16:17 |
| Lennie | help is very much welcome | 16:17 |
| Lennie | makes me sleep better :) | 16:17 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: what kind of time do you have, is Melange your 20% time? | 16:18 |
| Lennie | ... | 16:19 |
| Lennie | Googler :P? | 16:19 |
| danderson | are we done with the introductions? | 16:19 |
| SRabbelier | Lennie: yes, notice the @google.com e-mail in your calender | 16:19 |
| SRabbelier | well | 16:19 |
| Lennie | no | 16:19 |
| SRabbelier | actually | 16:19 |
| Lennie | which office :D? | 16:19 |
| dbentley | I'm in New York City. | 16:19 |
| Lennie | k cool | 16:20 |
| Lennie | my sister loves that city ^_^ | 16:20 |
| Lennie | never been there myself | 16:20 |
| Lennie | but who knows | 16:20 |
| SRabbelier | Lennie: you got your poster yet? | 16:20 |
| Lennie | yosh | 16:20 |
| danderson | okay, I need to run for a bit, so I'll just spam you with stuff about this release script | 16:20 |
| Lennie | my sister is very happy with her NY skyline poster :D | 16:20 |
| danderson | my objectives: | 16:20 |
| danderson | 1. get my horrible huge google-specific release script committed in the vanilla melange repos | 16:20 |
| danderson | 2. break it up into modules/packages, make it generic enough to serve both melange and google-soc | 16:20 |
| danderson | 3. make it awesome | 16:20 |
| Lennie | 4. Never deny the awesome | 16:20 |
| danderson | questions, comments, points of clarification? | 16:20 |
| dbentley | 2. What does Melange benefit from having this release script? (honest, non-snarky question) | 16:21 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: yes, if we want it generic enough to serve both google and melange, where do we put the "import a melange release" part? | 16:21 |
| danderson | melange also has a release procedure that is tedious | 16:21 |
| danderson | and can be automated to some extent | 16:21 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: I'll be writing up a Release Procedure document today/tomorrow | 16:21 |
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| dbentley | OK. | 16:21 |
| Lennie|Gone | ttyl | 16:21 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: Would you and danderson care to review it? | 16:21 |
| danderson | and melange and google can share the base (but not the commands) on which to build this. | 16:22 |
| SRabbelier | as you both know a thing or two about doing releases I suspect ;) | 16:22 |
| dbentley | Is it particularly harmful to leave the Google code in melange codebase? | 16:22 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: ah, yes, that would make sense | 16:22 |
| dbentley | I'd be happy to review. | 16:22 |
| danderson | Fo a release script, I think it's mostly harmless. | 16:22 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: the code is Apache, I doubt there is any harm done :) | 16:22 |
| danderson | And it would be short term, to get all the modification history in one place | 16:22 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: awesome :) | 16:22 |
| danderson | rather than first mess with it in /p/soc-google, then move it into /p/soc and lose history | 16:23 |
| dbentley | Right. | 16:23 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: +1 on that | 16:23 |
| danderson | Right. I believe I already have commit access, so I'll take that +1 as a "ship it!" | 16:23 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: indeed | 16:24 |
| dbentley | What's the melange review process? | 16:24 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: Commit-then-review | 16:24 |
| danderson | commit then review, or review then commit if you're unsure about something and want to talk about it first. | 16:24 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: As we don't always have the time to do Review-then-commit | 16:24 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: yes, that too | 16:24 |
| danderson | also, issue-driven development | 16:24 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: meaning, Pawel has been had spikes of being very busy, so at times he could not do reviews for days at a time | 16:25 |
| danderson | aside from trivial fixes and the like, it's nice to have an issue open for what you're doing | 16:25 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: halting development that long was not really desired :) | 16:25 |
| dbentley | OK. | 16:25 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: also, if the core devs notice something that needs fixing we usually do the fix ourselves | 16:25 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: but for new committers it is preferred to at least ask first :P | 16:26 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: (unless of course it's some obvious typo) | 16:26 |
| danderson | and finally, all the coding style, guidelines and related crap are in the wiki: http://code.google.com/p/soc/w/list | 16:27 |
| tpb | Title: Wiki Pages - soc - Google Code (at code.google.com) | 16:27 |
| dbentley | OK. | 16:27 |
| danderson | oo, oo, I broke google code! | 16:27 |
| danderson | 503 Service Unavailable | 16:27 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: lol, nice | 16:27 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: it's working for me :) | 16:27 |
| danderson | oh, wait. | 16:27 |
| danderson | I'm dumb | 16:27 |
| danderson | incorrect URLs will result in no service | 16:28 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: they do? | 16:28 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: shouldn't that be 404 instead? :P | 16:28 |
| danderson | maybe, though 503 is semantically correct | 16:28 |
| danderson | there is no service available at that URL | 16:28 |
| SRabbelier | hmmm... | 16:28 |
| SRabbelier | ok :) | 16:28 |
| danderson | yes, the explanation is a little wonky, but I'm sure the folks who wrote that code thought about it | 16:29 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: I myself are the un-introduced core developer, I joined in early, took a break for a few months (during which I worked on Git for GSoC), and then came back to break everything ;) | 16:29 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: or did they? :P | 16:29 |
| danderson | SRabbelier: if they didn't, I suspect they'd have defaulted to 404 | 16:29 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: maybe they rolled a d404-505 | 16:30 |
| danderson | okay, I want one of those. | 16:30 |
| danderson | "Return 1d10+500" | 16:30 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: yes! :D | 16:31 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: I wonder what people would do if they started noticing behavior like that :P | 16:31 |
| SRabbelier | "An custom error code has been chosen for your pleasure" | 16:31 |
| SRabbelier | s/An/a/ | 16:31 |
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| SRabbelier | http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1158173&cid=27165497 | 16:35 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/30:k> (at tech.slashdot.org) | 16:35 |
| SRabbelier | lol :D | 16:35 |
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| SRabbelier | dbentley: Do I need to introduce you to lh as well? :) | 16:39 |
| lh | SRabbelier: lol, i know dbentley well | 16:40 |
| dbentley | Haha; no. I know lh... | 16:40 |
| SRabbelier | good! | 16:40 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: well, you didn't know Pawel, so I wasn't sure :D | 16:40 |
| lh | dbentley: nice to see you. how are you? | 16:40 |
| dbentley | I'm good. | 16:41 |
| dbentley | Pawel is... not a Googler, right? | 16:41 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: not yet? :P | 16:41 |
| lh | dbentley: awesome. you, i and danderson are the only googlers here. | 16:41 |
| lh | pawel is our project lead. | 16:41 |
| dbentley | Yeah, okay. Awesome. | 16:41 |
| dbentley | And what's his nick? | 16:41 |
| lh | oh i lied | 16:41 |
| SRabbelier | lh: well, we have mithro too, occasionally | 16:41 |
| lh | EllenKo is also a googler | 16:41 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: soldayiz or soemthing like that | 16:41 |
| lh | mithro is tim ansell from .au office | 16:42 |
| lh | but not here atm | 16:42 |
| * SRabbelier nods | 16:42 | |
| SRabbelier | aye | 16:42 |
| Merio | (solydzajs IIRC) | 16:42 |
| lh | dbentley: solydzajs is pawel's nice | 16:42 |
| SRabbelier | Merio: correct, thanks | 16:43 |
| SRabbelier | s/nice/nick | 16:43 |
| dbentley | s/e$/k/ or s/ic/iec/ ? Is there nepotism at work? | 16:43 |
| SRabbelier | :D | 16:43 |
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| SRabbelier | dbentley: ah, I like you already :D | 16:43 |
| * lh waves to EllenKo | 16:43 | |
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| SRabbelier | dbentley: tell me some about yourself :) | 16:45 |
| dbentley | I live in New York, do a lot of python coding... | 16:46 |
| dbentley | Uhh... | 16:46 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: what kind of guy are you, how do you prefer to code, what's your worst habit? :P | 16:46 |
| dbentley | Have opened for The Who. | 16:46 |
| dbentley | I like to code in very small increments to start with. | 16:46 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: ooooh, that's nice | 16:46 |
| lh | dbentley is lovely person | 16:46 |
| dbentley | I like getting things working without overly worrying about the design, because things will likely change. | 16:47 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: <3 | 16:47 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: can I deduce from your The Who statement that you're in a band? :D | 16:47 |
| dbentley | My college marching band was kind of really awesome. | 16:48 |
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| * SRabbelier grins | 16:49 | |
| SRabbelier | nice | 16:49 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: samples? | 16:49 |
| SRabbelier | any youtube vids? :D | 16:49 |
| dbentley | Yes... One sec... | 16:50 |
| SRabbelier | ooooh, yay ^_^ | 16:51 |
| dbentley | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCe43N_VhM0 | 16:51 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: also! how old are you? :D | 16:51 |
| tpb | Title: YouTube - LSJUMB - All Right Now (at www.youtube.com) | 16:51 |
| dbentley | I'm 26. | 16:51 |
| SRabbelier | aaah, nice :D | 16:52 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: (that's pretty awesome indeed :D) | 16:52 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: which one is you? :P | 16:53 |
| dbentley | I'd graduated by that point, so not directly in there... | 16:54 |
| SRabbelier | aaaah, shame, shame | 16:54 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: ah, you never answered, what kind of time do you have? is Melange your 20% project? | 16:54 |
| dbentley | http://twitter.com/dbentley | 16:55 |
| tpb | Title: Twitter / dbentley (at twitter.com) | 16:55 |
| dbentley | I'm on the OSPO team now, so it's an 80% project, but one of several things that I'm picking up. | 16:55 |
| Lennie | you look irish :P | 16:55 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: oooh, awesome!! | 16:55 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: what else are you going to be working on? | 16:56 |
| dbentley | I'm... still figuring that out. | 16:56 |
| dbentley | But there's just a lot to keep cranking. So helping people use more. | 16:56 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: I don't understand, what do mean with your last line? | 16:57 |
| dbentley | s/.$/open source./ | 16:57 |
| dbentley | So just making sure that people are getting more open source code and getting it updated takes bandwidth of people. | 16:57 |
| SRabbelier | aaaah, *nods* | 16:57 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: what has you interested in melange? :) | 16:58 |
| dbentley | Well, gsoc is awesome, and I want to help support it and make sure we can use it well. | 16:59 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: cool! | 17:00 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: did you do anything GSoC related before? | 17:00 |
| dbentley | I've reviewed apps in years past, but this is my first attempt to get deep into the guts. | 17:00 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: you reviewed apps? how so? | 17:02 |
| dbentley | LIke, applications of students and organizations who wanted to be in the program. | 17:02 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: ah, that's quite involved :) | 17:03 |
| dbentley | Well, that was in, like, '05 and maybe '06. | 17:03 |
| SRabbelier | dbentley: ooh, so you've been there from the start! | 17:05 |
| danderson | wait, what? | 17:06 |
| danderson | opened for the who? | 17:06 |
| danderson | that wins. | 17:06 |
| dbentley | Yeah; they're a British rock band. | 17:06 |
| dbentley | Formed circa 1962. | 17:06 |
| danderson | oh, I know who they are | 17:06 |
| dbentley | Good stuff; you should check out some of their records. | 17:06 |
| dbentley | ; P | 17:06 |
| danderson | I'm just making impressed noises | 17:06 |
| dbentley | OK; TGIAF time. | 17:07 |
| dbentley | I'll be back soon. | 17:08 |
| danderson | TGIAF... Now that's just cheating. | 17:08 |
| SRabbelier | wossat? | 17:11 |
| SRabbelier | GHIAF? | 17:11 |
| SRabbelier | s/G/T | 17:11 |
| SRabbelier | oh | 17:11 |
| SRabbelier | almost friday | 17:11 |
| SRabbelier | :P | 17:11 |
| danderson | yeah | 17:14 |
| durin42 | Because the NYC guys didn't want to miss out on the fun, or some such | 17:19 |
| SRabbelier | durin42: mhhhh? | 17:19 |
| durin42 | SRabbelier: nm | 17:19 |
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| Sledge | hi folks | 18:04 |
| Sledge | having intermittent problems with socghop atm | 18:05 |
| Lennie | hi sledge | 18:05 |
| SRabbelier | Sledge: heya | 18:05 |
| Lennie | checking logs | 18:05 |
| Lennie | (seen your post on #gsoc :) | 18:05 |
| Sledge | ok, thanks :-) | 18:05 |
| Lennie | any idea what the link id of your application is? | 18:06 |
| lh | einvalsledge | 18:06 |
| Sledge | I'm einvalsledge | 18:06 |
| lh | is the link id | 18:06 |
| Lennie | is that your link id | 18:06 |
| Lennie | or the applications | 18:06 |
| lh | you also made your link id the link id for the debian app. tsk tsk. | 18:06 |
| Lennie | 's | 18:06 |
| Sledge | ,ine | 18:06 |
| lh | Lennie: seems to be both | 18:06 |
| Lennie | k | 18:07 |
| lh | lennie: sending you this exception report i just got | 18:07 |
| Lennie | you got an exception report? | 18:07 |
| Lennie | Sledge, your app is in the system atleast | 18:07 |
| lh | yeo | 18:07 |
| lh | yes | 18:07 |
| Sledge | Lennie: phew :-) | 18:07 |
| lh | when trying to view debian app on socghop.appspot.com | 18:07 |
| SRabbelier | lh: addy? | 18:07 |
| lh | Lennie: now it comes up fine | 18:08 |
| lh | SRabbelier: sent to lennie, you want it? | 18:08 |
| SRabbelier | lh: no that's fine | 18:08 |
| lh | I can see the app now no problem | 18:08 |
| lh | http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/review/google/gsoc2009/einvalsledge | 18:08 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/30Bi> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 18:08 |
| Sledge | slightly confused here: the "link id" in the form seemed to want my link id... | 18:08 |
| lh | no it does not. did you look at the user guide? | 18:09 |
| * Sledge looks sheepish | 18:09 | |
| Lennie | next to that the explaination is not clear either :) | 18:09 |
| Lennie | so its partially our fault :P | 18:09 |
| lh | Lennie: agreed. | 18:09 |
| Lennie | if you want you could do your application again with a proper debian type linkid? | 18:10 |
| Lennie | since that will become the link id for the organization | 18:10 |
| Sledge | I still can't see the app at all right now (http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/review/google/gsoc2009/einvalsledge says " | 18:11 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/30Bi> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 18:11 |
| Sledge | I still can't see the app at all right now (http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/review/google/gsoc2009/einvalsledge says "There is no such active entity. | 18:11 |
| Sledge | ") | 18:11 |
| Lennie | you should visit review ;P | 18:11 |
| Lennie | who gave you that link ^_^ | 18:11 |
| Lennie | try http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/show/google/gsoc2009/einvalsledge | 18:12 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/30Bp> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 18:12 |
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| Lennie | shows up here :) | 18:12 |
| Lennie | don't mind the fact that the text looks strange, the lineendings you put in are still there | 18:13 |
| ajaksu | I'm pretty sure you're going to have lots of ACL errors, as some VIP links leak ;) | 18:13 |
| Lennie | not really VIP :P | 18:13 |
| Sledge | ok, I see it now | 18:13 |
| Sledge | well, *some* of it | 18:14 |
| Lennie | and apparently the ACL for that works :D | 18:14 |
| SRabbelier | Sledge: but, why did someone give you that url anyway? | 18:14 |
| SRabbelier | Sledge: oh, nvm | 18:14 |
| SRabbelier | Sledge: I see lh pasted it above :) | 18:14 |
| Lennie | Sledge, http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/edit/google/gsoc2009/einvalsledge | 18:14 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/30Bt> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 18:14 |
| Lennie | if you want to imporbe :P | 18:14 |
| Lennie | improve | 18:14 |
| * ajaksu has... hmm, tried lots of funky URL combinations... you know, testing and stuff :) | 18:14 | |
| Lennie | but it should also show up under http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/list_self/google/gsoc2009 | 18:15 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/30Bv> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 18:15 |
| Lennie | just keep trying :) | 18:15 |
| Lennie | better have someone in this channel find security leaks then some stranger :D | 18:15 |
| danderson | I am going to commit the Google release script in the melange repository and start hacking it up to suit Melange's needs. +1? | 18:15 |
| Sledge | Lennie: ok | 18:15 |
| SRabbelier | danderson: yes, go for it :) | 18:16 |
| Sledge | is it a good idea for me to start a new application and cut'n'paste into that then, using a new linkid? | 18:16 |
| Lennie | yes | 18:16 |
| Lennie | tell someone here when you are done with that | 18:16 |
| ajaksu | I've stopped trying as socghop is now under real use, but will resume on melange-* later (they weren't up-to-date last I tried) | 18:16 |
| Lennie | so we can "can" the old one | 18:16 |
| Lennie | ajaksu, should be a new release somewhere today/tomorrow | 18:17 |
| ajaksu | Lennie: cool, I'll check it when it's posted in the list :) | 18:17 |
| lh | ajaksu: more testing guidelines should be published tomorrow. | 18:18 |
| ajaksu | lh: cool, will go through them soon and report any suggestion I have :) | 18:23 |
| Sledge | Lennie: ok, data moved across to the new app now | 18:23 |
| lh | ajaksu: great | 18:23 |
| Sledge | you can happily kill the old one, thanks! | 18:23 |
| Lennie | cool Sledge | 18:23 |
| Lennie | einvaldsedge one right? | 18:24 |
| Lennie | *einvalsledge | 18:24 |
| Sledge | yup | 18:24 |
| Lennie | referesh :) | 18:24 |
| Sledge | \o/ | 18:26 |
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| SRabbelier | Lennie: ping | 19:03 |
| Lennie | pong | 19:04 |
| SRabbelier | Lennie: I forgetteded, which release runs what? | 19:04 |
| Lennie | ? | 19:04 |
| SRabbelier | melange-dev/melange-demo | 19:04 |
| Lennie | as in? | 19:04 |
| Lennie | dev is our playground | 19:04 |
| Lennie | demo should run some test instance | 19:05 |
| Lennie | afaik | 19:05 |
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| SRabbelier | Lennie: mhhh, so demo should run latest release | 19:13 |
| SRabbelier | and dev should be up to date with latest commit, yes? | 19:13 |
| Lennie | yes | 19:13 |
| Lennie | I think so | 19:13 |
| SRabbelier | ok, that's what I remember too | 19:13 |
| SRabbelier | so that's probably correct ;P | 19:14 |
| lh | SRabbelier: lennie is right | 19:14 |
| SRabbelier | lh: thanks | 19:15 |
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| _raz_ | is it possible to rename a link_id somehow (or delete it for recreating the account)? | 19:25 |
| dberkholz | hi. i'm applying as an org admin, and i'm having a hard time writing a good app template without knowing the exact context it will be in on the student's application page | 19:25 |
| SRabbelier | _raz_: negative | 19:25 |
| SRabbelier | _raz_: you can have it deleted though | 19:25 |
| dberkholz | will i be able to see any view of that at a point when i can still modify the template? | 19:25 |
| _raz_ | SRT | 19:25 |
| _raz_ | woops | 19:25 |
| Lennie | dberkholz, yes you can | 19:25 |
| dberkholz | sweet | 19:26 |
| Lennie | will be in your org profile | 19:26 |
| dberkholz | thanks Lennie for your double ansewr. =) | 19:26 |
| Lennie | yw | 19:26 |
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| _raz_ | SRabbelier: the link_id has an org application filed - that would require a deletion, too, not? | 19:27 |
| SRabbelier | _raz_: ouch, yes, that would require the org application to be deleted (that would be easiest for us to do) | 19:29 |
| SRabbelier | _raz_: please e-mail [email protected] about this | 19:29 |
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| SRabbelier | _raz_: he's responsible for deleting things :) | 19:29 |
| _raz_ | okay | 19:29 |
| SRabbelier | _raz_: good luck | 19:30 |
| SRabbelier | _raz_: if he does not reply before tomorrow evening (UTC) ping me on IRC | 19:30 |
| _raz_ | SRabbelier: I'll surely do so - the application would have to be passed in until 19 pm (UTC) again and I do not want to miss that one :) | 19:32 |
| SRabbelier | _raz_: hmmmm, if anything we can create the organziation for you :) | 19:33 |
| SRabbelier | oh, wait | 19:33 |
| Lennie | hehe | 19:33 |
| SRabbelier | _raz_: it's just the link_id of the user that's wrong? | 19:33 |
| SRabbelier | _raz_: in that case you can just leave the application, and we can delete the faulty user later on :) | 19:34 |
| _raz_ | SRabbelier: right - just the user's | 19:34 |
| SRabbelier | _raz_: no worries then :) | 19:35 |
| SRabbelier | _raz_: totally fixable :) | 19:35 |
| _raz_ | okay - what would be the procedure for that one then (as it's the org-admin-to-be)? | 19:36 |
| _raz_ | the same as above? | 19:36 |
| SRabbelier | _raz_: yup, just make sure you fill in a backup org admin :) | 19:36 |
| _raz_ | and wait until the the application is either accepted or rejected, I guess? | 19:37 |
| Lennie | ... | 19:37 |
| SRabbelier | Lennie: what is it Lennie? | 19:37 |
| SRabbelier | _raz_: correct | 19:37 |
| Lennie | the more that happens with the application the harder it gets to delete the user :P | 19:38 |
| SRabbelier | yup | 19:38 |
| _raz_ | great - you saved my day :) | 19:38 |
| SRabbelier | heh | 19:38 |
| Lennie | it would be best if the faulty user could get into IRC and tell use when he's ready to switch to another account :P | 19:39 |
| Lennie | so we can switch the keys in the datastore ^_ ^ | 19:39 |
| _raz_ | Lennie: as it's myself (shame on me, but link_id was really confusing :) I'll avoid adding anything else as long as the application is not processed | 19:40 |
| Lennie | hmm | 19:40 |
| Lennie | why cant we fix it now then :D | 19:40 |
| Lennie | you dont have to resubmit your application | 19:40 |
| _raz_ | ermm - because it's nearly 1am over here and that did not come up my mind :) | 19:41 |
| Lennie | it's 1 am here too | 19:41 |
| Lennie | but I said you dont have to | 19:41 |
| Lennie | if you promise to create a new account within 5 minutes we can have everything arragned ^_^ | 19:41 |
| _raz_ | great - let's do it then :) | 19:41 |
| Lennie | k | 19:41 |
| _raz_ | signed out, ready to start | 19:42 |
| Lennie | I'll just make myself org_admin for a min :P | 19:42 |
| Lennie | oh | 19:42 |
| Lennie | hold on ^_^ | 19:42 |
| _raz_ | which link_id, I guess? | 19:42 |
| Lennie | apparently I'm not allowed to do this without permission from someone else :P | 19:42 |
| SRabbelier | Lennie: hence why I told him to mail [email protected] ;) | 19:43 |
| lh | Lennie: that's right, pawel wants to handle these deletions. | 19:43 |
| lh | he's our project lead so that's what we'll do | 19:43 |
| SRabbelier | ok guys | 19:44 |
| SRabbelier | I'm off to bed :) | 19:44 |
| Lennie | sorry _raz_ | 19:44 |
| Lennie | we'll do it when pawel is online :) | 19:44 |
| _raz_ | no problem | 19:44 |
| lh | SRabbelier: sleep well dear | 19:45 |
| SRabbelier | :) | 19:45 |
| SRabbelier | g'night all | 19:45 |
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| _raz_ | it's just a minor nuisance where I mixed up 'sign in' for the user with the org and thus am now registered under the org name :) | 19:45 |
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| Lennie | nn form me as well :) | 19:56 |
| lh | Lennie: sleep well dear | 19:56 |
| Lennie | _raz_ stick around, Pawel should be here tomorrow | 19:56 |
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| _raz_ | Lennie: okay, I'll show up in the morning for a short time | 20:00 |
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