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| danderson | jeez, it's 5:30 and I'm still at the office, hacking on the gmelange release script :( | 00:36 |
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| danderson | "Just one more tweak! It'll be perfect in just a minute!" | 00:37 |
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| Lennie | hi | 05:54 |
| osgeo_wolf | hello | 06:00 |
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| mithro | 322 users so far | 06:27 |
| Lennie|Gone | 328 | 06:32 |
| Lennie|Gone | :P | 06:33 |
| mithro | it's nice that melange has not exploded | 06:35 |
| mithro | touch wood | 06:35 |
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| kblin | say, can the backup admin look at the application as well? | 06:44 |
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| James--Crook | New this year... it's possible to read organization applications *before* the org has been accepted, if you guess their linkID correctly. e.g: http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/show/google/gsoc2009/rtems (I can read even though not an admin or mentor). I don't see a problem with this, there are no really confidential fields, | 06:58 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/2zHO> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 06:58 |
| Lennie|Gone | James--Crook, you wont be able to do that for long :P | 07:01 |
| Lennie|Gone | we've closed that gap :) | 07:01 |
| kblin | damn | 07:02 |
| Lennie|Gone | but you can keep guessing until thursday :p | 07:02 |
| kblin | I was just about to use that to show the application to my backuip mentor | 07:02 |
| Lennie|Gone | yeah, we should try to allow the backup admin to view it as well | 07:02 |
| Lennie|Gone | I suggest you make an issue for that kblin :) | 07:03 |
| kblin | aye | 07:03 |
| Lennie|Gone | <- back to work | 07:03 |
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| SRabbelier | tlarsen: I'm confused | 11:20 |
| SRabbelier | tlarsen: /user/pick is down to 0 again | 11:20 |
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| durin42 | SRabbelier: which build script do we want buildbot running? | 12:08 |
| durin42 | build.sh? | 12:08 |
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| lh | qq for melange developers | 12:35 |
| durin42 | SRabbelier: | 12:35 |
| lh | if someone has created an organization application with a bad link id, do they have to delete it or can the link id be changed after the app is submitted | 12:35 |
| durin42 | ISTR link id is permanent | 12:35 |
| lh | durin42: that's what i suspected | 12:36 |
| durin42 | in the literal no-undoing version of the term | 12:36 |
| durin42 | hence the warning not to mess it up | 12:36 |
| * lh logs an issue about tool tips | 12:36 | |
| SRabbelier | durin42: build.sh I think yes | 12:40 |
| ajaksu | SRabbelier: regarding your comment about a 'Schlemiel the painter algorithm'... have the load tests included the creation of a couple thousand users? | 13:03 |
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| Lennie | hi | 13:04 |
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| SRabbelier | ajaksu: ah, nope :D | 13:19 |
| SRabbelier | ajaksu: I think the load tests ended at 5QPS with a half-filled datastore | 13:19 |
| ajaksu | SRabbelier: maybe it'd be a good idea to test melange-demo or melange-dev with lots of users... and lots of acl errors :) | 13:21 |
| SRabbelier | ajaksu: why the acl errors? | 13:21 |
| ajaksu | SRabbelier: because it seems likely to forget about testing it? :) that and the fact it might depend on # of users... and that I thought getting new acl errors was slower the first time... :) | 13:24 |
| SRabbelier | ajaksu: aah, ok, good one | 13:25 |
| SRabbelier | ajaksu: I don't recall seeing you on #melange before btw? | 13:25 |
| ajaksu | SRabbelier: recent lurker, I'm afraid :) | 13:26 |
| SRabbelier | aah, hehe :) | 13:26 |
| SRabbelier | ajaksu: you got any experience with load testing? | 13:26 |
| SRabbelier | heh, even on localhost creating 5k users is taking loooong | 13:27 |
| ajaksu | SRabbelier: not much, only local scripted stuff... | 13:27 |
| ajaksu | SRabbelier: on the SDK | 13:27 |
| * SRabbelier nods | 13:27 | |
| ajaksu | ? | 13:27 |
| SRabbelier | ajaksu: yeah, dev_appserver | 13:27 |
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| spectie | hey all | 17:17 |
| spectie | is there a way to have more than 2 organisation administrators ? | 17:17 |
| Lennie | hi spectie | 17:17 |
| Lennie | yes | 17:17 |
| Lennie | but only when you have been accepted | 17:18 |
| spectie | ah ok | 17:18 |
| Lennie | you will be able to invite new org admins and mentors :) | 17:18 |
| spectie | right, and the organisation profile | 17:18 |
| Lennie | (assuming you are the org admin) | 17:18 |
| spectie | does this need to be written before or after being accepted ? | 17:18 |
| spectie | i'm not ;) | 17:18 |
| Lennie | hmm | 17:18 |
| spectie | the org administrator is going to a conference tomorrow | 17:18 |
| Lennie | everything in the application has to be filled in | 17:18 |
| spectie | yes, we did that | 17:18 |
| Lennie | some of it will be reused for the org profile | 17:18 |
| Lennie | but you can change the profile after you have been accepted :) | 17:18 |
| spectie | what i'm referring to is | 17:19 |
| spectie | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/notes-on-student-allocations?pli=1 | 17:19 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/2zVy> (at groups.google.com) | 17:19 |
| spectie | point '5' here | 17:19 |
| Lennie | yeah | 17:19 |
| Lennie | you can fill that into your profile | 17:19 |
| spectie | this would presumably be the 'organisation profile' before being accepted? | 17:19 |
| Lennie | after | 17:19 |
| spectie | ok | 17:20 |
| spectie | thanks :) | 17:20 |
| Lennie | you can fill it in afterwards :) | 17:20 |
| Lennie | np | 17:20 |
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| lh | I filed the request for the csv report | 18:44 |
| lh | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=334 | 18:44 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/2zXp> (at code.google.com) | 18:44 |
| lh | :) | 18:44 |
| danderson | damn, pawel keeps being not here when I want to bug him. | 19:04 |
| lh | danderson: he's on gtalk | 19:05 |
| lh | one sec | 19:05 |
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| solydzajs | danderson: ping :-) | 19:07 |
| danderson | wow | 19:07 |
| danderson | that was efficient. | 19:07 |
| danderson | lh: thanks! | 19:07 |
| danderson | solydzajs: so, I committed the release script. | 19:07 |
| danderson | You may want to poke at it and take it out for a test drive :) | 19:07 |
| danderson | (it's in the soc-google trunk) | 19:07 |
| solydzajs | danderson: yep I saw it, didn't look at it yet tho :-) | 19:08 |
| solydzajs | danderson: I saw some reviews from dan and tlarsen | 19:08 |
| danderson | yup, I'm replying/fixing right now | 19:08 |
| solydzajs | danderson: I added soc-google commit feed to my rss reader :-) to stay up to date | 19:08 |
| danderson | just wanted to warn you if you didn't see the commit | 19:08 |
| solydzajs | thx :-) | 19:09 |
| lh | danderson: np dear | 19:10 |
| danderson | solydzajs: oh, and check the module docstring for required dependencies: python 2.5 and subversion 1.5 | 19:10 |
| solydzajs | danderson: I have both :-) svn 1.4 and svn 1.5 , I use 1.5 as default | 19:11 |
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| SRabbelier | danderson: ping :) | 19:24 |
| danderson | pong | 19:25 |
| danderson | SRabbelier: PONG! | 19:31 |
| danderson | what's up? | 19:31 |
| SRabbelier | g'night all :) | 19:38 |
| SRabbelier | I'm off to bed | 19:38 |
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| durin42 | solydzajs: ping, got a question about mentoring | 19:49 |
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| solydzajs | durin42: pong | 19:51 |
| durin42 | solydzajs: To be a mentor, I assume I apply to the org | 19:51 |
| durin42 | where do I do that? It's sadly nonobvious | 19:51 |
| solydzajs | durin42: you will have to wait with that after the list of accepted orgs is announced on March 18th | 19:52 |
| durin42 | ah, ok | 19:52 |
| solydzajs | durin42: I will submit our Melange org proposal on Thursday | 19:52 |
| durin42 | the most recent email on the mentor list sounded like mentors should be applying now | 19:52 |
| solydzajs | durin42: is there any chance you can mail me some projects proposal regarding buildbot, testing , cont integration etc ? | 19:53 |
| durin42 | solydzajs: I don't really have any terribly special ideas, Todd suggested it and then I said sure I could mentor it | 19:53 |
| solydzajs | durin42: ok :-) if anything comes up send it via email :-) | 19:54 |
| durin42 | durin42: can do | 19:54 |
| durin42 | solydzajs: can do | 19:55 |
| solydzajs | thx :-) | 19:58 |
| durin42 | Although, the more I think about it | 19:58 |
| durin42 | the less I'm sure I know enough about this system to mentor well | 19:58 |
| solydzajs | durin42: we learn something every day :-) no worries, it's more about the fact that you are more experienced software engineer then student | 20:00 |
| durin42 | solydzajs: ok, that's fair enough | 20:01 |
| solydzajs | student will write weekly reports, commit the code for review (in most cases post commit review), maybe he will create a blog and post about the progress | 20:03 |
| durin42 | Yeah | 20:04 |
| durin42 | I'd really like to see better test coverage | 20:04 |
| durin42 | and get pylint automated into the build.sh process | 20:04 |
| solydzajs | yep, pylint won't be a problem | 20:06 |
| solydzajs | we also need to remember that the project is 3 months | 20:06 |
| durin42 | right | 20:07 |
| durin42 | In Adium we did a "testing" SoC project once | 20:07 |
| durin42 | and it was kind of lousy simply because it was hard to have a good success criteria | 20:07 |
| durin42 | There's not really a good "what does done mean?" for "write tests" | 20:07 |
| solydzajs | yep | 20:13 |
| solydzajs | I saw testing project for Adium last year | 20:13 |
| solydzajs | I read Adium ideas page :-) | 20:13 |
| durin42 | solydzajs: buildbot *might* run build.sh now | 21:03 |
| solydzajs | solydzajs: build.sh doesn't deploy yet, but it's a good start | 21:03 |
| solydzajs | ups | 21:03 |
| solydzajs | durin42: :-) | 21:03 |
| durin42 | did we want buildbot to be deploying? | 21:03 |
| durin42 | I didn't think so... | 21:04 |
| solydzajs | durin42: and I can put pylint in build.sh :-) | 21:04 |
| durin42 | solydzajs: indeed :) | 21:04 |
| solydzajs | durin42: I want to create developer account for melange-dev and I want buildbot to deploy latest working version to melange-dev if the build succeeded | 21:04 |
| durin42 | Hm, that's an interesting idea. | 21:04 |
| durin42 | Then have it run automated functional tests against that instance ;) | 21:05 |
| solydzajs | that way we have latest version always available on melange-dev | 21:05 |
| solydzajs | yep | 21:05 |
| solydzajs | :-) | 21:05 |
| solydzajs | would be cool | 21:05 |
| durin42 | I'd love to use twill or something to walk through some of the common use cases and test things | 21:06 |
| solydzajs | how about selenium ? | 21:07 |
| durin42 | eeh, selenium needs a browser | 21:14 |
| durin42 | twill is basically a miniature almost-functional browser in pure python | 21:14 |
| durin42 | taht doesn't need a display | 21:14 |
| durin42 | so it's faster and less difficult to use | 21:14 |
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| solydzajs | durin42: ok we can use twill :-) | 21:29 |
| solydzajs | lh: bon apetit | 21:29 |
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