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| Yrol_Denjeah | oh, ew | 00:00 |
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| GeofftheMedio | ? | 00:00 |
| STalKer-X | xD | 00:01 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | that yucky windows path... �sighs� where are the good old times when programs stored their stuff inside the program-folder, as it shoujld be | 00:01 |
| GeofftheMedio | since about windows XP, you're not supposed to do that | 00:02 |
| GeofftheMedio | and actually it doesn't let you write to anything in program files | 00:02 |
| GeofftheMedio | it silently, and buggily, redirects to virtual store | 00:02 |
| STalKer-X | yeah | 00:02 |
| STalKer-X | sucks! | 00:02 |
| GeofftheMedio | indeed... how are trojan / virus writers supposed to overwrite files now? | 00:03 |
| STalKer-X | just give them admin rights | 00:03 |
| GeofftheMedio | that pops up that annoying UAC dialog, or requires running as administrator beforehand | 00:04 |
| GeofftheMedio | very inconvenient | 00:04 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Who installs games to "program files"?? | 00:05 |
| GeofftheMedio | probably most people | 00:05 |
| GeofftheMedio | it being a program and all... | 00:06 |
| GeofftheMedio | and requiring files to be placed somewhere | 00:06 |
| GeofftheMedio | seems reasonable | 00:06 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | I dont even install programs there. I make my own "programs" folder | 00:06 |
| GeofftheMedio | maverick | 00:06 |
| STalKer-X | mcguyver :) | 00:06 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | stop throwing your underpants at me! | 00:07 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | hm, okay, now it works, it doesnt go fullscreen but only into a maximized window, but thats all the better, at least the windows are "full" screen now | 00:09 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | A lil thing that i noticed when i switched fonts to the one i use, if the project is open source, isnt the font also sujpposed to be open type? | 00:10 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | -font +#shipped font | 00:10 |
| GeofftheMedio | http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Main_Page | 00:11 |
| tpb | Title: DejaVu (at dejavu-fonts.org) | 00:11 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Also: i find it mildy browraising that one who tries to work against being a slave to ones OS is seen as weirdo. | 00:11 |
| STalKer-X | why do you use that os in the first place? | 00:12 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Ah, i wondered, because that deja vu font had that usual ttf icon, not the open ttf icon. | 00:12 |
| GeofftheMedio | There has to be a default fixed place to store config files (else there's no way to load up the setting that controls where the config file is stored). it can't be in the program directory | 00:12 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | STalKer-X, because i dont have the time or will to configure 20,000 files in 1,500 places just to install one application, because i need an OS that doesnt need to emulate stuff to play games and because i have so many games and because when i got my pc, there wasnt even a WWW and dial-up was expensive and my parents werent rich enough to get me an apple | 00:15 |
| STalKer-X | i thought a macintosh was even more crippled. | 00:16 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Well and because developers still apparently refuse to make games for native *nix | 00:16 |
| STalKer-X | totally wrong :) | 00:16 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | �cough� good games �cough� | 00:17 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | not stuff like tuxracer | 00:17 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Anyways, i will lose this battle, so... | 00:18 |
| STalKer-X | there is no battle. | 00:19 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | �smirks� Then why did you put me into a defensive position? ;oP | 00:20 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Im not heralding for windows, god no, i try to find everything i use with windows in open source or at least made by other developers and i got screwed by this OS often enough, resulting in loss of data and such things, but in the end, its the one that i can use ( i never got a hang of the linux filebrowser ) without too much hassle, but most importantly i spent big bucks on games that i still pl | 00:24 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | ay. ( and i plainly refuse to use a dumbed down *nix OS like ubuntu ) | 00:24 |
| STalKer-X | i am just asking. | 00:24 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Why do -you- use a cellphone? ;o) | 00:25 |
| STalKer-X | i don't :D | 00:25 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | oO | 00:25 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | okay, one of the few | 00:25 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Why do you drive a car? | 00:26 |
| STalKer-X | i don't have one | 00:26 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | oh come on... now its getting unrealistic ;oP | 00:26 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | unless you are 15 years old �grins� | 00:26 |
| GeofftheMedio | I don't have a car... quite reasonable when living in a city with decent transit | 00:26 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | n owait, then you WOUILD have a cellphone | 00:26 |
| STalKer-X | it is called smartphone :D | 00:27 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | why does it make people stupid then? | 00:27 |
| STalKer-X | it does? | 00:27 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | see? ;oP | 00:27 |
| STalKer-X | i just run everything as admin, because UAC sucks :) | 00:29 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | ( by the wayside, i hope i use enough de-seriousing smileys so i wont appear like some mean person ) | 00:29 |
| STalKer-X | no harm done if you keep away from files from obscure sources | 00:29 |
| STalKer-X | as a german you are by default: mean. | 00:30 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | I think, windows XP doesnt have UAC. | 00:30 |
| STalKer-X | that is correct :-) | 00:30 |
| STalKer-X | but i sometimes have access to windows 8 :DD | 00:30 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | STalKer-X, you certianly meant "mean" there like "mean temperature"..."general" ;o) | 00:31 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | ewwww! you are infected! | 00:31 |
| STalKer-X | with? :-) | 00:31 |
| STalKer-X | i meant 'mean' like 'gemein' :D | 00:31 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | infected with uhm... | 00:32 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | the "above directx9 desease" | 00:32 |
| STalKer-X | i don't play games | 00:33 |
| STalKer-X | no harm done :) | 00:33 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | as you certainly know, direct x does not only manage games | 00:33 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | admittedly, that was just a meager try to escape | 00:34 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | i revise my assumption then. no cellphone, no car, no games... you are not 15, you are 75 | 00:35 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | heck, you might even know the original stalker movie the games are based on | 00:35 |
| STalKer-X | except that my nickname has nothing to do with that, ehehe :> | 00:36 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | ( of course without knowing that games are based on it ) | 00:36 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | geez, fit into some clichee already! | 00:36 |
| STalKer-X | i was already in this room when nobody knew about FO :D | 00:37 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | GeofftheMedio, are there plans to, how to say... make the ship design UI uhm... nicer? As it is now, the added parts cover the ship-graphics as an example | 00:38 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | So basically, one wouldnt need those even | 00:38 |
| GeofftheMedio | not that i know of. | 00:38 |
| GeofftheMedio | post in the forums if you have specfific suggestions | 00:39 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | STalKer-X, pah, poser! "I" was there when the zodic sign "orion" wasnt even invented yet, HA! | 00:39 |
| STalKer-X | i think it was in 2004 when i joined this room | 00:40 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | I got internet that year | 00:40 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | GeofftheMedio, hm, i dont use forums, it was just a question :o) | 00:42 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | It would use up more screenspace, but it could be in a way that the thingies that go into the ship are placed around the ships graphics, maybe in small boxes with small lines leading to points that resemble their spot in the ship, kinda like a technical blueprint | 00:45 |
| STalKer-X | if you want to suggest stuff, you should really use the forum, basically everything development related takes place there | 00:48 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | �looks at topic� | 00:51 |
| STalKer-X | :D | 00:52 |
| STalKer-X | Latest release v0.4.2 - Ask questions in the forums at freeorion.org | 00:53 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Why does this channel exist then in the first place if you just more or less told me that anything i write here regarding the game, wont be read, plus the almost rude slap ion the face by the topic line. | 00:53 |
| STalKer-X | oh noes :) | 00:57 |
| STalKer-X | it will be read, but forgotten | 00:57 |
| STalKer-X | irc is a volatile media :) | 00:57 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Hm. | 00:58 |
| STalKer-X | forums is visited by far more people | 01:01 |
| STalKer-X | and read by far more people | 01:01 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | I rather its the dependency to be smart in some way to use realtime communication that killed off IRC. Wheras in a forum, you can be as dumb as you like, someone always will answer ( even if wrongly ) or at the very least, ask again and again what you meant. Another reason i am sure is that IRC cannot be used so well with translators and you just need a browser, not a special application to use i | 01:01 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | t. | 01:01 |
| STalKer-X | if you post it here, GeofftheMedio reads it, i read it, everyone who is online and wants to read the backlog can read it. | 01:02 |
| STalKer-X | irc is lively as ever :) | 01:03 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | riiiiight | 01:03 |
| STalKer-X | before forums there have been mailing lists | 01:03 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Thats why there are in any given channel only 10& of the idlers talking | 01:03 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | 10% | 01:03 |
| STalKer-X | and if people had longer stuff, they used the ML. | 01:03 |
| STalKer-X | you would not want have everyone talking in channel with 100 people :-) | 01:04 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | no, but certainly more than 5 ( which isnt 10%i know ) | 01:04 |
| STalKer-X | hm, 5 is usually enough | 01:06 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | I would prefer though a channel of 100 with 20 people talking at the same time to a forum where i have to sift through 500 pages of posts, still not finding what i look for and/or then being rudely slapped off when i re-open a thread thats older than three months | 01:06 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | I think, it is the disability of people to focus or commit these days to real time communication, especially with more than one person on the other end. | 01:08 |
| STalKer-X | has always been a problem | 01:09 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Admittedly, there is one reason i see to use a forum: when a picture or a block of code needs to be shown in context to the post. You can do that in IRC too, but only with links. | 01:09 |
| STalKer-X | i have no problem with either irc or forums | 01:13 |
| STalKer-X | or a wiki | 01:13 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | That is apparent, yes :o) | 01:14 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Otherwise you would have at some time agreed with me in some aspect. | 01:15 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | And i actually love wiki's, no better way to put the truth on the net | 01:18 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | ( no, im not referring to wikileaks ) | 01:18 |
| STalKer-X | unless you find an admin that removes your "truth" | 01:24 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | Of course i spoke of wiki's that are not regulated by corrupt or immature OPs. And i wrote "the truth", not "my truth" | 01:25 |
| STalKer-X | there is no "the truth" | 01:27 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | 5+5=10 | 01:29 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | undisputable truth | 01:29 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | it of course does not mean that 10=5+5 | 01:30 |
| STalKer-X | nope | 01:30 |
| STalKer-X | 5+5=A | 01:30 |
| STalKer-X | undisputable truth | 01:30 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | now you are just being silly to oppose me | 01:30 |
| STalKer-X | i am not silly | 01:30 |
| STalKer-X | 5+5=10 is only true in the decimal system | 01:32 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | it is nontheless the...an undisputable truth, it doesnt state it is the only true version. | 01:33 |
| STalKer-X | only if you put certain restrictions on it. | 01:35 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | An even in the hexadecimal or octal system, the truth lying behind it, is exactly the same, its ten, if you use 10.16 millimeter or 4 inch to -describe- it, it ( the length ) stays the same | 01:36 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | I mean, you can also express the speed of light as "number of grandmothers passed in an hour", silly, but still the same value | 01:37 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | 2001 space odissey reference: "oh my god, its full of grannies!" | 01:38 |
| STalKer-X | but unless you be exactly exact... :) | 01:39 |
| STalKer-X | anyway, i hope you don't spam any wikis with mathematical stuff | 01:49 |
| STalKer-X | ;) | 01:49 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | 10 4! | 01:50 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | or, to stay in context: 10.16 4 | 01:50 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | hrmpf, such a nice developed pun and no one got it | 01:56 |
| STalKer-X | i wasnt listening :) | 01:57 |
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| Skasi | Hoi! | 18:15 |
| STalKer-X_m | hi | 18:43 |
| Skasi | I think there's a bug with solar orbital generators. The description says target industry on supplied planets increases based on star color, but the actual effect is a 0.4 * population target industry increase. | 18:58 |
| Skasi | I better use the bug tracker. | 19:07 |
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| STalKer-X_m | forums! | 19:24 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | I bet you are the funniest guy in your school. | 19:25 |
| STalKer-X_m | what school? | 19:30 |
| adrian_broher | Skasi, http://www.freeorion.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=25 | 19:32 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1u+r> (at www.freeorion.org) | 19:32 |
| Skasi | Thanks, I'm posting already. :) | 19:33 |
| adrian_broher | the bug tracker isn't watched iirc | 19:33 |
| GeofftheMedio | it us | 19:33 |
| GeofftheMedio | is | 19:33 |
| STalKer-X_m | and i was right, as always :-) | 19:33 |
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| Yrol_Denjeah | wow :o) if i see that correctly, it is not at all mentioned in what language FO is made on the compile page of the wiki | 20:23 |
| Yrol_Denjeah | And not on the main page either | 20:24 |
| GeofftheMedio | it's not just one language... | 20:30 |
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| Yrol_Denjeah | Clearly i am not welcomed here. | 21:53 |
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| GeofftheMedio | maky | 21:53 |
| GeofftheMedio | mkay | 21:53 |
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| STalKer-X_m | oh my god | 22:36 |
| STalKer-X_m | what a whiny bitch :x | 22:37 |
| STalKer-X_m | who told him to stfu and go away? | 22:37 |
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